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Should the Wings consider trading Jimmy Howard?

The Detroit News's John Niyo believes that the Red Wings should be as aggressive as possible ahead of the NHL's trade deadline, and Niyo suggests that the Wings' management ought to consider trading Jimmy Howard:

Why not seriously offer up Jimmy Howard? It's an idea that’s been tossed around the past couple years. But now that he's nearing the end of that long-term contract, with another year at $5.3 million all that’s left after this season, it's worth a longer look.

Howard endured a monthlong slump starting in mid-November, but rebounded with a half-dozen strong starts, including four consecutive wins and a .952 save percentage before the bye week. He took the loss Tuesday, but he had no shot at stopping the first two deflected goals — the second on a 5-on-3 power play — and couldn't be blamed for the other two, either.

There won’t be many playoff contenders searching for a No. 1 goalie. But there should be at least one, as the New York Islanders desperately try to make the postseason while also trying to convince star John Tavares to sign a long-term extension. The Isles' tandem of Jaroslav Halak and Thomas Greiss ranks last in the NHL with a 3.62 goals-against average and .895 save percentage — a shoddy defense has plenty do with that — and GM Garth Snow has extra draft picks to offer. Chicago might be another playoff hopeful in search of a starter, what with Corey Crawford’s season in jeopardy due to vertigo-like symptoms.

Niyo continues, and I don't see the Wings moving Howard...unless they remain on the hook for some of his paycheck. I don't know who they have to replace Howard if Mrazek is on the outs, either.

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Why not seriously offer up Jimmy Howard?

Because you need a consistent goalie when you rebuild. If you’re worried about youth and offense and defense then you need at least one position that isn’t in flux that you don’t have to worry about.

Trading your good goalie while going into a rebuild is ridiculous.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 01/17/18 at 10:24 AM ET

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Well, he’s only on for another year at ~$5.3 mil. I think the GM can do plenty else with this team to shed salary (and shed salary for a longer term) and sign our RFAs coming up.

But hey, if a team wants to throw a 1st round pick at you….

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/17/18 at 10:32 AM ET

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Yes, they should. But they won’t, so it doesn’t matter how much sense it makes. By the time the Wings are relevant to the playoffs again (meaning they could actually go somewhere if they make it), Howard will be retired.

But hey, if a team wants to throw a 1st round pick at you….

If it ever came out that someone offered a first round pick in this 2018 draft for Howard, and Holland said no…he deserves everything people say about him and more.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/17/18 at 10:36 AM ET

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Hope you’re feeling better, George! I have grown more and more appreciative that you take all the Wings info from a bunch of sources in a bunch of different places, filter through the crap, and all I have to do is make one stop.

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/17/18 at 10:37 AM ET

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They should absolutely consider trading anyone not named Larkin or Mantha.  I might even entertain an offer for Mantha if the return netted a young potential top pair defenseman.  It would be a disservice to not entertain any and all offers.

Posted by Steve1306 on 01/17/18 at 10:47 AM ET

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They should absolutely consider it. Best case scenario, some playoff team loses their #1 to injury. They’ll be desperate for a starter.

Posted by George0211 on 01/17/18 at 10:49 AM ET

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Absolutely. Howard is probably their most lucrative asset for a rental (non-Larkin/AA/Mantha), more than Green or Nyquist. Howard could be an upgrade for a team in goal or as a solid insurance piece (especially if Detroit retains salary) but I believe the modified no trade clause would be a much bigger hurdle than others, as he strikes me as a proud guy who has worked hard to keep as Detroit’s #1. Islanders, maybe Blackhawks, Blues, Jets, Flames?

As for its impact on rebuilding, I wouldn’t expect more than a 1st or a A/B prospect coupled with a Tom McCollum/veteran/borderline goalie in return (just to fill out the depth chart), and though it would hurt the Wings’ competitive position, the draft lottery rewards the “if you’re not first, you’re last” mentality - plus I’m not sold that Mrazek has nothing left.

Posted by tekjansen on 01/17/18 at 11:02 AM ET

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Whether they move him or not (most likely not) a GM’s job is to constantly be looking at potentially improving his team through any means (trades, Free Agents) necessary.

I think if part of his Jimmy’s salarys is retained, there are potential landing spots for him….

I believe that goalies are available to fill any hole left by trading Jimmy and not resigning Petr.

Also, the Wings appear to have a pretty good young goalie in their system (Filip Larsson) who is playing in the USHL this year and doing quite well in 18 games played 14 wins 5 shutouts.

He is going to the university of Denver this Fall. Who knows in 3 -4 years?

Posted by Down River Dan on 01/17/18 at 11:13 AM ET

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They should absolutely consider it. Best case scenario, some playoff team loses their #1 to injury. They’ll be desperate for a starter.

Or a team that is a goalie away from being a more serious playoff contender—hmmm, Islanders? ding ding ding—can be convinced to give up a draft pick.

Everybody not named Larkin or Zetterberg should be in a conversation (tho not necessarily actively shopped).

Posted by duhduhduh on 01/17/18 at 11:20 AM ET

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There will never be a better opportunity to trade Howard. Especially considering Islanders like to pay up for the goalies. I do not see Howard keeping this type of form he is in for long and I do not see him staying healthy for long either.

Posted by VPalmer on 01/17/18 at 11:27 AM ET

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In the long run I think it would be best to move on from Howard. He has the potential for a bigger return and with our defence absolutely atrocious, both in NHL and AHL, we aren’t going to be going anywhere next year. Now I don’t think he’ll bring in an NHL ready top 4 defender, but definitely good picks and/or prospects to help restock our defensive depth. Even if we move on from Mrazek as well, Coreau and McCollum have NHL game experience and I’d think next year we just need a warm body in net.

Posted by Manthanasiou87 on 01/17/18 at 11:41 AM ET

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Why not seriously offer up Jimmy Howard?


Because you need a consistent goalie when you rebuild. If you’re worried about youth and offense and defense then you need at least one position that isn’t in flux that you don’t have to worry about.

Trading your good goalie while going into a rebuild is ridiculous.
   
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Howard is not good enough to be consider as such, an untouchable.  If we would have Price or any goalie of that type than yeah, keep him and rebuild around, but to lose Howard for a pick or two in the kind of situation we are in right now wouldn’t be a lost.

Posted by PierreC from Montreal, Canada on 01/17/18 at 11:55 AM ET

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Trade Howard? No way. This team needs a 34-year old, injury prone goalie for the next couple of years! After all, we’re just 2% away from being in the mix.

It’s actually laughable that Howard isn’t being actively shopped around the league right NOW. Last year we tried giving him away but had no takers. Now that he’s bounced back and actually has some trade value…well…suddenly it’s a crime to even suggest trading him.

I would trade Howard to the Islanders for Halak and a draft pick. Play Mrazek down the stretch. Halak walks away as a UFA. If Mrazek shines, then you qualify him for 1 more year. If Mrazek stinks, then you walk away from him this summer. This leaves you with Coreau. And nothing else. Oh the horror. What on earth will we do for next year?

Hmm, let’s see who is a UFA this summer…Hutton, Khudobin, both of them are an UPGRADE on Jimmy Howard. Who else is a UFA…Raanta, Kuemper, Dell, Bernier, could we just sign one of these guys? Remember, we’re not even close to competing for anything for the next couple years. How about RFAs who may be on the trade block…Saros, Pickard, Grubauer. Maybe one of them grows into a #1 role over time?

Seriously. Finding average goaltending, such as Howard, is not actually difficult. Nor should a competent tandem cost $10M…

Posted by fatsavage on 01/17/18 at 11:59 AM ET

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Remember, we’re not even close to competing for anything for the next couple years
Posted by fatsavage on 01/17/18 at 10:59 AM ET

I think this is the part that gets forgotten about when trades get discussed. Yes, you don’t want to lose good players, but when you aren’t competing for anything of meaning and the player is mid-age to near end of career it makes no sense to hang on to them. Letting go of good, or serviceable, players now will speed up the rebuild by infusing the system with youth. In 3-4 years, if the sell off was done correctly and with purpose, you now have a 26-28 year old core with 21-24 support. No sense in hanging around 7th-8th from the bottom chasing a wild card.

Posted by Manthanasiou87 on 01/17/18 at 12:15 PM ET

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Remember, we’re not even close to competing for anything for the next couple years
Posted by fatsavage on 01/17/18 at 10:59 AM ET

I think this is the part that gets forgotten about when trades get discussed. Yes, you don’t want to lose good players, but when you aren’t competing for anything of meaning and the player is mid-age to near end of career it makes no sense to hang on to them. Letting go of good, or serviceable, players now will speed up the rebuild by infusing the system with youth. In 3-4 years, if the sell off was done correctly and with purpose, you now have a 26-28 year old core with 21-24 support. No sense in hanging around 7th-8th from the bottom chasing a wild card.
   
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on 01/17/18 at 11:15 AM ET


And why shouldn’t we be competing for Something next season ? Look around, the Bolts finished with over 100 points 2 seasons ago, last year they finished with 79 points, just like us ! This season they rebound and now they are consider the best.

The Devils went to the cup final a few seasons ago, finished close to last the next season, look where they are right now. The Habs were on top of the word just a year ago, look where they are now.

Things the change very fast, we can turn this thing around and be a contender too…but not with this GM !

Posted by PierreC from Montreal, Canada on 01/17/18 at 12:34 PM ET

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Posted by PierreC from Montreal, Canada on 01/17/18 at 11:34 AM ET

Because I don’t think we are good enough to try and compete for something next year.
The Lightning lost Stamkos for half the year and were even sellers at the deadline and still only missed the playoffs by 1 point. They weren’t middling about aimlessly.
The Devils went to the Finals in 2012 largely on the play of Zach Parise and had been trending downwards leading up to it, and have missed the playoffs in the 5 years since. They also have been active in terms of trading, including their top defender Adam Larsson.
The Canadiens were always held up by Price. This year they just haven’t been able to score.

Things the change very fast, we can turn this thing around and be a contender too…but not with this GM !

I agree with you 100%. But I think our defence is so weak and our core not good enough that we can’t all of a sudden be contenders next year. With the right GM at the helm with a solid plan and a controlled self-off, including Howard, we can be contenders within 4 years, maybe sooner.

Posted by Manthanasiou87 on 01/17/18 at 01:06 PM ET

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And why shouldn’t we be competing for Something next season ? Look around, the Bolts finished with over 100 points 2 seasons ago, last year they finished with 79 points, just like us ! This season they rebound and now they are consider the best.

The Devils went to the cup final a few seasons ago, finished close to last the next season, look where they are right now. The Habs were on top of the word just a year ago, look where they are now.

Things the change very fast, we can turn this thing around and be a contender too…but not with this GM !

Posted by PierreC from Montreal, Canada on 01/17/18 at 11:34 AM ET

Umm, first let’s start with some facts. Tampa finished with 94 points, not 79 points. That 94 points was one single point out a playoff spot. Losing their superstar for 65 games had a big impact. Yzerman wisely concluded that this wasn’t their year, so he then sold off a number of parts at the deadline. It was the Red Wings who had 79 points. Go back to the years when the Wings had 100+ points…now subtract Lidstrom or Pav or Zee for 65 games…and then see if we would have fallen to 94 points as well!

New Jersey used 36 different players last year. It was a revolving door of injuries, calling up kids, making a ton of trades…then in the offseason they made a major trade, added a 2nd overall pick to their lineup, promoted a number of other kids, then made another major trade this season for Vatanen. If you actually think we have the pieces to orchestrate that kind of turn around in a single year, well then I guess agree to disagree. We’re saddled with so many bad contracts and cap INFLEXIBILITY that it would be virtually impossible to complete the trades and roster turnover that New Jersey accomplished.

But I guess you want to keep Howard around just in case all of these things happen. Because trading him and signing a Hutton or Khudobin would be so much worse…

Posted by fatsavage on 01/17/18 at 01:13 PM ET

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The numbers bear it out. Cup winners draft/develop their goalies - especially in the Cap era.

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/17/18 at 01:42 PM ET

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Cup winners draft/develop their goalies

And dmen too. We have not drafted/developed a real top 4 since Kronwall I think. That’s a big problem that is rarely addressed when KH is interviewed. We are doing much better with forward drafting and development.

Posted by VPalmer on 01/17/18 at 01:55 PM ET

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The numbers bear it out. Cup winners draft/develop their goalies - especially in the Cap era.

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/17/18 at 12:42 PM ET

What’s your point? The numbers also bear out that Howard has never come close to winning a Cup, with a much better roster than we have now and expect to have next year. Yet we have people suggesting we KEEP him, but then walk away from 25-year old Mrazek.

As for the Cup winners in the cap era, we’re talking about a very small sample size. Are you suggesting that San Jose made a mistake in acquiring Martin Jones because he merely took them to Game 7 of the Finals? When Toronto acquired Anderson was that a bad move? Should they have just waited to finally draft and develop a legit goalie? Maybe we should have stuck with Tim Cheveldae instead of acquiring guys like Vernon, Hasek, re-acquiring Osgood?

Sorry. Not seeing the link between whether a goalie is developed or acquired. Does this also apply to 1D’s, 1C’s, 2W’s, 4C’s? What is so special about goaltenders that they should be drafted and developed?

Posted by fatsavage on 01/17/18 at 02:07 PM ET

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Posted by VPalmer on 01/17/18 at 12:55 PM ET

With the d-men, yeah. Chara, Lidstrom, Keith, Doughty come to mind. I am not sure if we’d consider Letang in that same echelon, however. And Penguins were missing him last year.

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/17/18 at 02:12 PM ET

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the New York Islanders desperately try to make the postseason while also trying to convince star John Tavares to sign a long-term extension.

If that’s what would Keep Johnny in NY then why wouldn’t the Wing’s keep him to lure Johnny to Detroit?

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/17/18 at 02:18 PM ET

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If it ever came out that someone offered a first round pick in this 2018 draft for Howard, and Holland said no…he deserves everything people say about him and more.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/17/18 at 09:36 AM ET

Even I would call Holland a joke. I’d also call that other GM a joke for offering a 1st round pick for Jimmy.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/17/18 at 02:19 PM ET

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Now that he’s bounced back and actually has some trade value…

oh man. I thought the Wing’s should be playing Peter more to raise his value…..

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/17/18 at 02:21 PM ET

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Cup winners draft/develop their goalies - especially in the Cap era.

Posted by ilovehomers on 01/17/18 at 12:42 PM ET

true, the last team was 2007 Ducks.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/17/18 at 02:27 PM ET

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I hope Tatar gets traded too.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/17/18 at 02:28 PM ET

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I hope Tatar gets traded too.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/17/18 at 01:28 PM ET

While I don’t hope for this, I’m not against the idea and don’t think he should be untouchable.

Posted by Manthanasiou87 on 01/17/18 at 02:38 PM ET

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I hope Tatar gets traded too.

This reminds me, did something happen in the game yesterday that made everyone mad at Tatar? (I’m not saying you are saying this b/c of yesterday, Howe, it just reminds me of something I wanted to ask about last night and forgot). I had to go out briefly and missed all of the first intermission and maybe the first 5-7 minutes of playing time of the second period. After the game, I saw a ton of people on the Wings FB post expressing some not so nice thoughts about Tatar. I get that he hasn’t been putting up the points we would like for the contract he just signed, but that isn’t new. Did the broadcast team say something about him? Did he do something stupid? I didn’t hear or see anything, but I wonder if I missed it.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/17/18 at 02:39 PM ET

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This reminds me, did something happen in the game yesterday that made everyone mad at Tatar?

I’m not saying that. I just think his overall performance this season hasn’t been good. He’s still a decent, youngish player who is signed to a palatable contract and could help a team as a second or third line upgrade. This should fetch a decent return.

I saw a ton of people on the Wings FB post expressing some not so nice thoughts about Tatar.

ahhh….why even go there?

I get that he hasn’t been putting up the points we would like for the contract he just signed, but that isn’t new.

That’s right. It’s not new. Everyone complained last season about how he scored most of his goals after the playoffs were settle. This alone should make people bring up trading him again this seaason.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/17/18 at 02:46 PM ET

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Tatar and Nyquist, constant discussion of who is better. I think most agree that Tatar has been a better player in the last 3 years or so, but Nyquist is playing better this season. Other GMs recognize it too and Nyquist should bring a lot more in a trade now than Tatar (especially with only 1 year left on his deal vs Tatar’s 4). But now, of course, we want to trade Tatar. Last year when Nyquist was bad, we wanted to trade him.

Posted by VPalmer on 01/17/18 at 02:54 PM ET

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But now, of course, we want to trade Tatar. Last year when Nyquist was bad, we wanted to trade him.

I will always want to keep Tatar over Nyquist. I’m just not a fan of how Nyquist plays. He is having some success these season, and that’s good for him and the team. I don’t like his peripheral style of hockey, however, and never will.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 01/17/18 at 02:59 PM ET

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I’m just not a fan of how Nyquist plays

I think his compete level is way better this season. Overall he looks like a $4-5 mil player this season to me, especially if he was not overpassing.

I don’t like his peripheral style of hockey, however, and never will.

Would have agreed with you last year and before that. Tatar was always going to the dirty areas on the ice, was more edgy and physical than Nyquist. Unfortunately though I do not see much of it from Tatar this season. Both him and Nyquist are still small perimeter players, but Nyquist is just plain better this year so far for some reason. Tatar usually picks up later in the season though. We certainly do not need both though going forward. I am also not sure what kind of return we can get on either.

Posted by VPalmer on 01/17/18 at 03:07 PM ET

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Tatar was always going to the dirty areas on the ice, was more edgy and physical than Nyquist. Unfortunately though I do not see much of it from Tatar this season. Both him and Nyquist are still small perimeter players, but Nyquist is just plain better this year so far for some reason. Tatar usually picks up later in the season though.

these are all reasons why Tatar has more value then Gus. He brings a physical element and gets hot later. This is exactly why teams should go for him.

Gus, on the other hand, drives plays. He’s a better skater then Tatar and is faster. He could line up nicely on a run and gun line with a faster playmaker (than Hank).

I will always want to keep Tatar over Nyquist.
Me too, but, who’s better to move for the team? Tatar has a full NTC clause kicking in this off season. He’s slightly younger and has consistently produced each season. Teams will know what to expect from him.  Which Gus will they be getting?

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/17/18 at 03:52 PM ET

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They should absolutely consider trading anyone not named Larkin or Mantha.

Posted by Steve1306 on 01/17/18 at 09:47 AM ET 

This remains the correct take.

Posted by Primis on 01/17/18 at 04:17 PM ET

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Chicago is in dire need of a goalie

Posted by bababooey on 01/17/18 at 04:37 PM ET

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Ken Holland trading Howard and retaining salary while keeping Mrazek would be an epic raised middle finger to the organization on his way out the door.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 01/17/18 at 05:01 PM ET

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would be an epic raised middle finger to the organization on his way out the door.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 01/17/18 at 04:01 PM ET

why?

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/17/18 at 05:18 PM ET

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Oh no! Jack Johnson and OEL are on the market. Green’s value must be headed down.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 01/17/18 at 05:19 PM ET

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They should absolutely consider trading anyone not named Larkin or Mantha.

I would add AA, but would also say they can consider trading him and Mantha too, but the return has to be great. But I do not think AA has a long term future here unless KH leaves.

Posted by VPalmer on 01/17/18 at 05:47 PM ET

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Posted by VPalmer on 01/17/18 at 04:47 PM ET.  Don’t understand, why don’t fans feel the need to build around core players. That’s what we have in AA-LARKIN-MANTHA,  they make the team considerably better. Once you break them up you have no core players. Now you need to pick a hodgepodge of players and hope they have the abilities to fit in and affect the team in a positive fashion. Larkin’s stellar play and and puck control, Mantha’s net front presence and long reach enabling him to continue and break up plays, AA’s speed and finishing ability, a rare asset that is valuable especially in a one goal game. Those long distance passes are a somewhat rare asset that keeps defenses backed up and can be a game changer. These players are young and you’d be lucky to match their talents. Untouchables.

Posted by stateofmifan on 01/17/18 at 08:32 PM ET

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