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Saturday’s disputed goal gives the Red Wings a 1-and-1 record vs. netting at Joe Louis Arena

Update: Make that 2-and-1...

More than a few Red Wings fans readily agreed that Niklas Kronwall's game-tying goal en route to the Wings' 3-2 shootout win over Los Angeles shouldn't have counted...

But instead of lamenting the off-the-net-and-in goal as a disgrace to the league (believe me, Tomas Holmstrom's former employer's fan base tends to strongly support the concept of making every "discretionary" call on a scoring play reviewable by the NHL's War Room, and we wish that the GM's and Board of Governors agreed with us), we thought, "Huh, now we're even."

Fox Sports Detroit's Ken Daniels remembered the play immediately, stating that it happened against the Sharks in 2008; my friend Brian did some digging and found the exact incident--February 29th, 2008--and Paul and SYF dug up the clip of Devin Setoguchi scoring the 3-1 goal in what would end up as a 3-2 San Jose Sharks win over the Wings on Leap Year Day, as well as the larger reaction to the goal.

The highlight clip isn't fantastic, but fewer bloggers had their DVR's hooked up to their laptops back then:

DetroitRedWings.com's Derek Gluth reported that the Wings were pissed off about the goal, but their coach took a tack slightly different than Darryl Sutter's...

The Red Wings caught a bad break when a shot went up into the netting and bounced back down next to the net and Setoguchi was able to stuff it past Hasek for his second goal of the game. The play was questioned by the Wings who noted that the puck had hit the protective netting behind the goal, which should have been stopped. TV replay showed the Wings' concerns were correct. However, the play wasn't reviewable.

"Those referees do their job no different than we do with as much pride as they can, and they missed it," Wings coach Mike Babcock said. "No one feels sorry for us. It was a three to two hockey game as we had our opportunities."

And TSN's Darren Dreger penned an article about a set of "blown calls" (the Sabres beat the Flyers despite having too many men on the ice, and that isn't reviewable, like those pesky offsides calls), including the Sharks' goal, and Dreger spoke with then-director of officiating Stephen Walkom about the issue:

Rookie Devin Setoguchi scored on Dominik Hasek midway through the third period after the puck went off the net and over the glass. The goal proved to be the game-winner, giving the San Jose Sharks a 3-2 win over the slumping Red Wings. "We might've gotten lucky on the third goal," San Jose coach Ron Wilson acknowledged.

Detroit goaltender Dominik Hasek agreed. "Definitely, it was a mistake," he said. "The officials should've blown the whistle, but no one of the four saw the puck."

While the league can't be happy with its officials blowing calls, the opinion is mixed to whether the replay rules should be expanded.

"If you wanted a perfect game where everything was perfect - the officiating, offence, defence, goaltending, we'd roll back the tape on every play like we do on every game and we wouldn't have any goals at all," Walkom told TSN.

And in a quick poll conducted by TSN with 13 NHL general managers asking if video replay should be considered, 11 of them gave a flat-out no.

Again, as TSN's Bob McKenzie noted on Saturday evening, that's been the case for the past four years, on a repeated basis:

As for DET's bogus GTG off mesh above glass, if ref doesn't make the call on ice immediately, it can't be overturned on video review.


Worth noting, NHL Hockey Ops asked GMs to expand review criteria to incl this stuff. GMs voted substantially AGAINST expanded video review.


It will be interesting to see if that changes when it's raised, and it likely will be, at GMs meeting in Boca Raton in mid-March.

Each and every time that the issue's been brought up since 2008, and really before that, the general managers and Board of Governors alike have agreed that making more "discretionary" referees' rulings on goals, never mind placing each and every situation by which a goal can be scored in the hands of the NHL's war room, would, in the GM's words, "slow the game down" too much, and make televised games intolerably long.

Seriously. That's their logic, and that's why goals like Saturday's stand up, and the reality of the situation is that disputed goals occur regularly enough in the regular season and playoffs that it's baffling why the "stewards of the game" would rather have referees "get it wrong" than "slow down" a game by another three minutes to "get it right."


Update: Make it 2-and-1:

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WingsFanInBeanLand's avatar

I wonder if Wyshinski penned a whiny post about that Sharks goal.

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from where free agents no longer dare. on 01/20/14 at 09:08 AM ET

awould's avatar

This SJ goal is exactly what I thought of too. The Wings off-the-net goal was much better though, just bounce it off the goalies back, no need for any extra help.

I remember being pissed and thinking surely they’d change the rule to make it reviewable. Guess they never got around to it.

Between this net play, the many, many goals lost to Holmstrom farting near a goalie and the too-many-men-on-the-ice of Pittsburgh’s playoff success, Detroit’s still got a few make-goods to claim. I’ll take them all.

Posted by awould on 01/20/14 at 01:11 PM ET

SYF's avatar

Between this net play, the many, many goals lost to Holmstrom farting near a goalie and the too-many-men-on-the-ice of Pittsburgh’s playoff success, Detroit’s still got a few make-goods to claim. I’ll take them all.

Posted by awould on 01/20/14 at 12:11 PM ET

I wanna have sex with this post.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 01/20/14 at 03:06 PM ET

SYF's avatar

The protective netting at the Orleans has a substantial amount of slack so as the puck flies into the net, it falls harmlessly down and behind the glass completely out of play and into the flailing mass of hockey fans eager for a souvenir from the game.  This happens about 80-85% of the time in every game.  Just an observation I’ve noticed from watching live hockey here in Vegas.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 01/20/14 at 03:17 PM ET

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