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For the love of…

Stop beating this old horse, Kenny! It’s dead! Been dead for a long time now!

I swear, over-the-hill retreads will be one of the big negatives when people look back on Holland’s legacy.

Posted by Dakkster from Southern Sweden on 09/11/13 at 04:22 PM ET

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It’s Ward so, grain of salt, everyone.  He’s often dead wrong on things.

However, if it did happen @onthewings is right in saying it is not good news at all re: Helm.  It’ll be “Helm out for year” kind of news, likely.  Because otherwise I have no idea how they could bring Cleary in.

Posted by Primis on 09/11/13 at 04:25 PM ET

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Please dear, sweet, 8lb 6oz Baby Jesus, send Danny Cleary anywhere but Detroit.


Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 09/11/13 at 04:30 PM ET

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There is nothing better than people foaming at the mouth to get rid of the #2 playoff scorer the previous season.  Amazing.  I know, all luck.

Posted by ExiledinLA on 09/11/13 at 04:47 PM ET

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There is nothing better than people foaming at the mouth to get rid of the #2 playoff scorer the previous season.

How about the guy who, on a larger sample, dragged down the play of the best player on the team for a good portion of the season after having declined season after season?

But why would that matter?  14 games is all that matters, why not sign him to a 100 year contract?

Posted by Garth on 09/11/13 at 04:53 PM ET

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Aside from the fact that Cleary clearly doesn’t want to play anywhere except Detroit, I think the thing here is that the Wings believe Cleary’s leadership would be valuable to the bottom 6, given that most of them will be young(ish). I don’t see Cleary “dragging down the play” of anyone on the bottom 6, given his grinding role.

What Cleary needs to understand is he will be playing fewer minutes than any of the previous years, and that his pay is going to have to reflect that if we’re keeping him on board.

And I’ll echo Primis in that I highly doubt Helm will be playing this year, if ever again.

Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 09/11/13 at 05:11 PM ET

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And I’ll echo Primis in that I highly doubt Helm will be playing this year, if ever again.

Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 09/11/13 at 05:11 PM ET

I’ll go the opposite way. Helm will be healthy 2 weeks into season from his groin. Will get a conditioning stent with GR, tear it up, then come back home and bring the Helmanity.

Posted by Crater from SoCal on 09/11/13 at 05:30 PM ET

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There is nothing better than people foaming at the mouth to get rid of the #2 playoff scorer the previous season.

Cleary rejected the Red Wings’ offer on July 3 of a three-year, $5.5 million contract ($2 million in each of the first two seasons and $1.5 million the final season).

He did it to himself.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 09/11/13 at 06:17 PM ET

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I’ll go the opposite way. Helm will be healthy 2 weeks into season from his groin. Will get a conditioning stent with GR, tear it up, then come back home and bring the Helmanity

Damn you and your optimism.  It has no place here.

Posted by Colquhoun on 09/11/13 at 06:31 PM ET

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This is exactly why I wasn’t aghast at the notion of how signing Cleary (at a rational amount) would cause cap catastrophe for Detroit.  The idea Helm was either going to be ready day 1 or ready consistently in the short term was a bit of a reach, and given Helm’s serious issue having a legitimate bottom 6 replacement like Cleary makes sense.

It’s going to suck (a little) because the team is going to have to shed a couple assets, likely for nothing.  Injuries suck.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 09/11/13 at 07:21 PM ET

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And to the kids who have waited and toiled patiently in Grand Rapids?  There are plenty of assets to make up for any loss of Dan Cleary.  Can we all please turn the page?

Posted by bababooey on 09/11/13 at 07:36 PM ET

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And to the kids who have waited and toiled patiently in Grand Rapids?  There are plenty of assets to make up for any loss of Dan Cleary.  Can we all please turn the page?

Posted by bababooey on 09/11/13 at 07:36 PM ET

That is the mindset of many of us here. The young- ins.


Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 09/11/13 at 07:57 PM ET

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I think the thing here is that the Wings believe Cleary’s leadership would be valuable to the bottom 6,

Based on what?  Last we heard Philly offered him a deal and he brought it to Holland to match it and Holland didn’t.  There’s nothing to suggest Holland is begging Cleary to come back.  If Holland really wanted Cleary, Cleary would have a deal.

The idea Helm was either going to be ready day 1 or ready consistently in the short term was a bit of a reach, and given Helm’s serious issue having a legitimate bottom 6 replacement like Cleary makes sense.

Cleary took 23 faceoffs last year.  Dan Cleary is not a replacement for Helm.  Nobody in his or her right mind would ever suggest that Detroit should sign Cleary because of Helm’s health.

Not that any of this matters, because Dan Cleary isn’t going to be signing with Detroit.  It’s moot.

What Cleary needs to understand is he will be playing fewer minutes than any of the previous years

I would say that what Cleary needs to understand is that his time in Detroit is over.

He turned down their contract offer when they weren’t over the roster limit and the salary cap.  Now that they are he wants back in?

Too f*cking bad Danny.  You had your chance and you went for the money because you’re too stupid to realize Detroit had already offered you more than you should ever expect on the open market.  Maybe you can play opposite Damien Brunner on whatever Swiss League team he ends up signing for.

Posted by Garth on 09/11/13 at 09:40 PM ET

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And to the kids who have waited and toiled patiently in Grand Rapids?

Beat somebody out for the gig.  Hockey isn’t primary education.  You don’t automatically go from junior high to high school just because you’re a year older.

There are 13-14 chairs for forwards.  Be one of the 13-14 best guys.

Babcock benched Osgood when Howard beat him out.  Benched White and Colaiacovo when Smith, Kindl et al beat them out.  Played Dekeyser a load right off the bus.  Moved all kinds of guys up and down the depth chart as their play merited.

Toiling patiently might be the problem.  Toil aggressively and earn something.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 09/12/13 at 05:33 AM ET

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Toiling patiently might be the problem.  Toil aggressively and earn something.

Bingo.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 09/12/13 at 08:00 AM ET

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We don’t want to give those young kids in GR too much of a look, after all, they were only the best team in the AHL last year.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 09/12/13 at 09:14 AM ET

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