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Red Wings overnight report: On bad reputations, ‘Jarda’ Jagr’s priorities and off-season blueprints

I hate to lead off with this crap, but in my world, bad news comes first.

Both Fox Sports Detroit’s Mike O’Hara and the Detroit Free Press’s Ron Dzwonkowski brought Detroit’s well-earned inferiority complex (see: “For God’s sake, we’re from Detroit, which is the collective butt of so many jokes about violence/poverty/etc.”) out to play regarding the riots in Vancouver, and the Free Press pointed out that actor Rainn Wilson declared Vancouver to be the “Detroit of Canada.”

All because of the violence which erupted after the Detroit Tigers won the world series back in 1984, which is before many of you were even born. I’m old enough that I remember it pretty well despite the fact that I was six at the time, and as my dad was a probation officer for the City of Detroit, I can tell you that worse things happened on an individual basis just about every day in Detroit in the 80’s, but it’s what we’re remembered for, and while ever single celebration of the Red Wings’ four Stanley Cups was peaceful, whenever our Wings go far in the playoffs, we hear, “Well I hope nobody burns Detroit down.”

Look, I know that it’s pretty easy to finger-point right now, but we’re not talking about the fact that Dan O’Halloran loves to call off Tomas Holmstrom goals here. It’s not tinfoil hat time. We’re from Detroit, and if you’re a Red Wings fan who isn’t from Detroit, well…

This is a reputation the “Murder City’s” denizens—even though, like me, most of us who were “born in Detroit” never actually lived there because the vast majority of the nearly 5 million people who live in Southeastern Michigan live in the suburbs—have to live with. It’s stupid and it’s unfounded because the Tigers riot happened almost seventeen years ago, but while it pisses me off as much as anybody else that we’re still associated with sports violence…

Now is not the time to go pointing the finger at Vancouverites and the 99% of Canucks fans who are as pissed off as we are that serious-ass a-holes trashed their downtown. Right now isn’t the time to point fingers at people like Alanah and ask ‘em how it feels to walk in our shoes. Now’s the time to hope for the best for the people who were hurt, be proud of the people who stood up and lent a hand in cleaning things up and, even if we can’t stand ‘em, tell Canucks fans that we know how they feel, and that it’s gonna be OK eventually.

If you’re looking to vent a little frustration about our stupid reputation, there’s always a better scapegoat—you can explain to Fox 2’s Ryan Ermanni why it was completely appropriate that Gary Bettman was roundily booed in Vancouver, or snicker at 97.1 the Ticket’s top ten list of things people like more than Gary Bettman, as posited by Doug Karsh and Scott “the Gator” Anderson, with #1 offering the best giggle…

1. They like the glow puck better than Bettman – Ken Clinton twp

Or maybe we can feel a little pride for Davidson, MI native Tim Thomas, who’s sure to bring the Cup back to Flint this summer. WXYZ reports that the affable goaltender’s hometown is ready to party:

And then there’s the curious case of Jaromir Jagr. On Thursday, the Detroit News’s Ted Kulfan, the Free Press’s Helene St. James and Fox Sports Detroit’s Art Regner confirmed MLive’s Ansar Khan’s report that Jaromir Jagr’s North American agent has contacted the Red Wings, Penguins, Canadiens and, depending on the report, the Rangers, and Detroit is apparently Jagr’s preferred destination.

Signing a 39-year-old forward who hasn’t played in the NHL for three seasons, despite his sterling resume, isn’t a no-brainer for the Wings, however, and three main issues come to the fore: finances, motivation and whether Jagr is a “fit.”

In terms of finances, the Red wings simply cannot offer Jagr the kind of money he was making in Russia, and Regner suggests that Jagr’s camp is asking for more money than the Wings would prefer to pay him:

It’s being reported that Jagr’s agent, Petr Svoboda, has contacted four clubs — Detroit, Pittsburgh, Montreal and the Rangers — about the services of his client. Jagr has played for three teams during his NHL career: the Penguins, Capitals, and Rangers.

Detroit appears to have the inside track because Jagr is salivating at the opportunity to play with Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg. But reports also suggest that Jagr also is seeking a major payday.

If that’s the case, don’t expect Detroit to sign him. The Wings are smarting from the Mike Modano experiment. They’re apprehensive about signing aging veterans who are susceptible to injury and a diminishing skill set.

Also, Wings general manager Ken Holland has repeatedly said that he is fine with his forward corps, that his main focus is retooling his defense. (Holland has always sunk money into his blue-liners.)

We’ll get to that later, but Pro Hockey Talk’s Joe Yerdon also brought up the money issue, noting that one KHL team, Avangard Omsk, is still interested in Jagr’s services:

Before we get ahead of ourselves drawing up the possibility of seeing a legend like Jagr giving it one more go in the NHL, you have to wonder if perhaps this is one last effort by Svoboda to get a KHL team to bite and offer him a juicier deal. Yahoo’s Dmitry Chesnokov finds out that his old team Avangard Omsk is the only one Jagr is negotiating with in Russia. If Jagr is worried about how he might hold up over the 82 game haul in the NHL season and if he’s got the thought of the hit he took in the 2010 Olympics from Alexander Ovechkin stuck in his head for what it’s like to play at that level every night, being more open about discussing things with the NHL would be a good way to scare Avangard into giving him a juicier deal. After all, if there’s no local competition for him there, why not hold the NHL up and out there as a means to scare his team into action.

The KHL hates losing any amount of talent to the NHL, especially guys who once starred in the NHL, so Svoboda’s open hunt to land Jagr an apparent job in the NHL might just be transparent enough for all of us to see what’s going on. Of course, if we put our cynicism away for a little while and embrace this for what it looks to be, waxing nostaligic and hopeful for Jagr’s return makes for a lot of fun. He was one of the most brilliant scorers of his time and the best player in the NHL for a long stretch of time. The thought of trotting him out on the same ice with Datsyuk and Zetterberg is tantalizing, let’s just hope we’re not being toyed with one last time.

According to Allhockey.ru (I looked for an author but can’t find a byline), these concerns are real.

Avangard Omsk finished 16th in the KHL despite Jagr’s presence and $5 million-per-season salary, and according to Allhockey.ru, SKA St. Petersburg GM Alexei Kasatonov suggested that Jagr’s motivation was lacking, and even Omsk GM Anatoly Bardin is only feeling lukewarm about retaining Jagr. Even stranger, Jagr’s agent in Europe, Jaroslav Zidek, has lost his license to operate in the KHL, so any team that works with Zidek to sign Jagr could face fines and/or some sort of penalty for hammering out an agent with Zidek.

And while Dominik Hasek suggested to Denik Sport’s Miroslav Horak that “Jarda” would fit very well with the Wings, I mentioned the bigger issue—motivation—while declining to fully translate Jakub Hlavac’s article stating that Jagr’s purchased a 70% stake in the ownership of his hometown Czech Extraliga club, HC Kladno, and at the present moment, Jagr’s acting as its general manager.

I’ve been fiddling around with online translators and doing my best to make sense out of garble since Sergei Fedorov left for Anaheim in 2003, so I’m pretty comfortable with Russian, and when it comes to Swedish, between seven combined years of high school and university studies in a similar language in German and use of the Swedish government’s official dictionary to smooth over the rough spots, Swedish isn’t difficult at all for me, but Finnish and Czech have so many extra cases and either extraneous vowels (in Finnish) or diacritical remarks (in Czech) which can change the meaning of words, relative clauses and sentences that I think it’s just not particularly intelligent to offer you anything more than rough cuts and summaries of what’s said.

Thankfully, the Edmonton Journal employed Czech-speaker Peter Adler to translate the iDnes article about Jagr’s ownership stake in HC Kladno as it applies to his motivation, and this is where the serious-ass red flags come out:

“While my participation in running the club during the season will largely depend on where I am going to play, that question still bothers me less than what’s going to happen here (at Kladno),” Jagr said.

One of the issues: the team has only a dozen players under contract, and Jagr is loath to talk signing up others because he’s not completely sure of what is going to happen. And so, some veterans get up and leave for greener pastures. “I can’t blame them,” Jagr told the newspaper, “I can’t ask them to sit and wait and what if. They’ve got their careers to take care of.

“For example, Martin Prochazka just had his medicals at Regensburg, and he’s got an offer from them,” Jagr said. “He’s done a lot for hockey at Kladno, but I can’t try to tell him to wait. If he decides to come back here, the door will be open and he will get his chance. If not, I have to wish him good luck, and thank him, on behalf of Kladno fans, for what he’s done for the club through the years.”

It takes time to go through all of the legal purchase hoops even though the city of Kladno is sympathetic. One of the main issues is that Kladno’s main industrial foundation, a steelworks plant and iron foundry, has been having economic difficulties and that, of course, takes precedence over professional sports any time of day.
“I don’t make promises I’m not sure I can’t meet,” Jagr said. “This club has always met its obligations, and this is something I’m going to continue.”

Jagr wouldn’t say whether he prefers to return to Avangard Omsk of the Russian KHL, his only Russian suitor at the moment, after SKA St. Petersburg backed out of the bidding, or whether the NHL is closer to his heart. Again, concern for Kladno is paramount here: “With the NHL, I would have to be at training camp early in September, and that would give me more time between now and then to concentrate on Kladno,” Jagr said, “while with the Russians, I can always try to negotiate a bit of an exemption and coming into their training camps a bit later.”

But, he added, it’s all irrelevant for the time being. His main concern is Kladno, and not only its Extraleague team, even though he said he would reserve the right to have some influence over player and other personnel questions. When he started, kids’ hockey at Kladno used to form a strong base for a successful top-league team.

“There have been mistakes made,” said Jagr who also met with groups of concerned parents and listened to their concerns. “Those parents raised some very valid points,” he added, “and since they are those without whom there would be no new hockey generations at Kladno, we have to take their concerns seriously.”

In other words, Jagr’s North American agent’s selling a player who doesn’t give a rat’s butt about his hockey future right now, according to the man himself, and this player says that he’s going to decide where to play depending on how easily he’s able to keep tabs on HC Kladno while he works on his other job in playing hockey. That’s not good.

The other issue, and perhaps the main issue, is fit, and this is where I worry the most about the concept of the Wings signing Jagr.

If Jagr comes here, just as the Red Wings made sure that Mike Modano understood that he’d be employed as a worker bee who had to earn his ice time under a coach who has few, if any favorites, Jagr would have to work just as hard, if not harder, to impress Mike Babcock and earn anything more than top-nine minutes.

Obviously, in terms of money, the Wings can’t accommodate more than a $1-2 million deal, with performance bonuses included (the CBA expires in 2012, so the Wings can’t exceed the cap by 7.5% to pay out performance bonuses this time around), so there’s no way that they can compete with the KHL in terms of paying him—as Regner suggests, the Wings have money to spend, but it’s going into replacing Brian Rafalski and keeping the team’s puck-moving blueline elite, first and foremost—and in terms of his ego…

Mike Modano was a little out of shape and struggled to find motivation at times while playing for the Wings because he suffered a catastrophic injury, and he also struggled to adapt to the concept that he wasn’t a “brand name” anymore. When I did speak to Mike during training camp, I was taken aback by the fact that he seemed almost a little confused that he was no longer “Mike Modano,” but instead, just “Mo”...But he tried very hard to fit in, and if we are to believe a harsh critic of me-first players in Babcock, Modano ended up showing nothing but class, professionalism and poise galore while dealing with his lack of playing time and status as a healthy scratch down the stretch. “Mo” worked very hard to fit in, and while he was here, he became a Red Wing.

The best way I can describe Jagr is to suggest that, in terms of his personality, he remains like Sergei Fedorov was back in the early 00’s. Jagr’s still a rock star, still an event, a phenomenon unto himself, and his massive ego includes a “hockey artiste’s” personality in terms of his willingness to commit to playing his hardest and focusing on being a good worker bee on a shift-by-shift basis.

Certainly, the Red Wings would be foolish not to consider signing Jagr, but Ken Holland and Mike Babcock must be 100% sure that he’d be willing to come at a price that wouldn’t cripple the Wings’ Brian Rafalski-replacing budget, they’d have to be sure that Jagr was committed in terms of his fitness and his willingness to play hockey instead of simply biding his time for a playoff run while playing GM-from-afar, and they’d have to be absolutely certain that Jagr would understand that, in Detroit, he wouldn’t be “Jardo,” but just “Jags,” another veteran hockey player who’s coming here to sacrifice money and ice time-based-on-past-achievements for the opportunity to win the Cup.

If he’s not going to bring that kind of game to Detroit, the Wings could much more easily spend $2 or $3 million going after Brooks Laich, Tomas Fleischmann, Wojtek Wolski or whoever else they might be interested in bringing to Detroit to bolster their forward lineup without having to build Red Bird III to accommodate Jagr’s baggage and ego.

Regarding the “blueprint” which the Red Wings plan on sticking to in terms of building their roster and replacing Brian Rafalski, TSN’s Scott Cullen posited a superb “Off-Season Game Plan,” but…

We all know what the Wings need, and Cullen’s intro is as good a place as any to state the obvious: the Wings need Nicklas Lidstrom to return, first and foremost, and after that, they need to bring in an elite unrestricted free agent defenseman who can move the puck up ice in a hurry, if they choose to part ways with Chris Osgood, a reliable back-up goaltender, and if Mike Babcock has his way, a top-six forward—and retaining Jonathan Ericsson, Patrick Eaves and Drew Miller are priorities as well, with Ericsson’s chances of remaining in Detroit increasing since Rafalski retired.

It wouldn’t hurt if Babcock can find some fantastic assistant coaches, either, and again, the team has hard decisions to make about both Osgood and Kris Draper, who would take a roster spot away from the non-waiver-exempt Jan Mursak or Cory Emmerton unless the Wings lose Eaves or Miller to free agency and/or make a move (Hudler? Filppula?) to add a forward via a trade:

Should Lidstrom decide that he’s had enough, despite clearly playing at a level more than sufficient to continue as a top pair defenceman, then Detroit will have a massive rebuilding plan on its hands. Even the Red Wings would feel the loss of a pair of defencemen that combined for 110 points last season. More optimistically, however, if Lidstrom returns, the Wings have plenty of salary cap room at their disposal to find another top four or even top pair defenceman via trade or free agency.

Presuming that the Wings land one significant defender to fill the hole created by Rafalski’s retirement, they’ll still need to address depth at the position, both on the third pair and organizationally, as few of the Wings’ top prospects are defencemen.

Given the Wings’ track record, it’s safe to assume they will be active in their efforts to shore up the position and, once they do, it’s fair to expect the Red Wings to have a team capable of extending their current streak of 11 straight 100-point seasons.

The question at that point becomes whether the Wings still have enough to go all the way. They’re undeniably an aging team, with Valtteri Filppula the only one of Detroit’s top ten scorers last season that won’t be at least 30-years-old next season, and when injuries mount during the grueling NHL playoffs, it can be difficult for the Wings to still have enough to get the job done.

That may be an overreaction, considering that Detroit lost in seven games against San Jose, but it could at least be an indication that the younger players in the organization are going to have to take on more responsibility, to make up the difference between being not-quite-good-enough and the championship-calibre that Detroit fans know all too well.
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Knowing the success that the Red Wings have experienced as a franchise, winning four Cups in the last 14 seasons, they shouldn’t have a lot of difficulty finding quality players that are eager to keep the tradition rolling in the right direction.

As for the team’s likely “game plan” at the Entry Draft next weekend, I can’t deny that Hockey’s Future’s Brad Garnder‘s suggestion that defensemen and goaltenders will be the team’s likely targets:

Picking in the second half of the each round for so long has certainly diminished some of the top end talent that Detroit might have drafted, which is especially noticeable on the blue line. Beyond [Brendan] Smith, the group does not have a ton of upside, though there are still several solid prospects who could man the Detroit blue line down the road. Shrewd pick-ups like free agent signing Brian Lashoff add some depth, while late round selections like Benjamin Marshall and Adam Almqvist have emerged as two of the team’s more intriguing offensive defensemen.

Goaltending has rarely been a strength for the organization, but the pipeline still does not inspire a ton of confidence. Thomas McCollum seemed to take a step back last season, struggling to maintain his confidence while spending part of his year in the ECHL. Jordan Pearce has been a solid prospect, taking over the reigns in Grand Rapids last season, but has a limited ceiling. Perhaps the most intriguing goalie prospect in the system is Petr Mrazek, a Czech-born goalie currently playing in the OHL. He had a stellar regular season for the Ottawa 67’s in his first year as starter and should return to the same role again next season.

That being said, I wouldn’t bet on the Wings picking any particular player, to the point that I’m going to tell you about a weakness of mine—I tend not to really read up about the draft and top prospects until the Monday before the draft as the Wings never cease to surprise me.

I certainly like Rickard Rackell and Alexander Khokhlachev, but if you want to know what I really think the Wings will do, well…

I think that, given the lack of consensus as to who’s a first-round pick and who’s not, the Wings will probably trade their 24th overall pick for two high picks in the 2nd round, hoping to pull a Landon Ferraro-Tomas Tatar or Cory Emmerton-Shawn Matthias double play in the second round.

There are about 40-45 players who could be picked in the first round, depending on whose rankings you believe, and there’s no harm in taking two outliers in the second round unless you believe a Brendan Smith or Riley Sheahan have no business being available when that 24th pick rolls around.

The other possibility is that the Wings might move a pick for a player, and as Kukla’s Korner’s David Lee pointed out, the Carolina Hurricanes plan on moving the rights of unrestricted free agents-to-be Joni Pitkanen, Chad LaRose and Erik Cole, and one of those players might intrigue the Wings enough to swap a mid-round pick for early negotiating rights…

Although, as I’ve said previously, agents are already talking in, “Are you interested in player X at salary Y over Z years?” equations to receive yes-no answers and essentially negotiate contracts with GM’s for RFA’s and UFA’s without committing tampering in the classic sense of the term. If agents weren’t floating trade rumors or potential teams interested in signing or acquiring players, the guy who charges money to throw agent-based rumors on a wall and see what sticks would be out of a job.

Also of Red Wings-related note: In case you missed it, Paul posted the Bodog odds of the various 2011 Stanley Cup winners, and the Wings rank seventh (I think Bodog does what the rumor guy does in pulling nothing out of a hat);

• The Detroit Free Press wants to know which nickname fans think is the best in Detroit sports history, with the Production Line as one of their candidates;

• I’m getting a little tired of talking about him every day, but NWT.se confirms that Dick Axelsson will take part in the IIHF’s Inline Hockey World Championships, which begin on Sunday in the Czech Republic;

• I dig two of Yahoo Sports’ best goals of the playoffs, including a Nicklas Lidstrom bunt (sorry for the automatic advertisement…NHL.com stuck that in there)...

And a Todd Bertuzzi spin-o-rama that actually worked…

 

• And in non-charitable news, I’m still about $160 short of my goal for helping defer the costs of heading to Traverse City for this summer’s prospect camp, which takes place from July 7-14:

 




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MarkK's avatar

The Wings are smarting from the Mike Modano experiment.

That’s taking it a bit far. Sure, it didn’t work out, but we weren’t any worse off with him at close to bottom dollar than we would have been without him.

Posted by MarkK from Maryland on 06/17/11 at 09:03 AM ET

yannick's avatar

Hi George, i’m a bit surprised about your comments on Jagr’s ego, do you know him personally? based on what i read or see on TV here, he rather seems to be an easy-going guy who doesn’t like the spotlight much, he’s not even wearing the C on the Czech team (that’s Rolinek for few years now). As for Jarda/Jardo, it is only a nickname in Czech for people called Jaroslav or Jaromir, everybody is called by his/her nickname here so it has nothing to do with his own ego (that’s like the Pasha nickname for Pavel in Russian). That’s funny, you are sometimes very critical with no apparent reasons… take it easy wink

Posted by yannick on 06/17/11 at 09:06 AM ET

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There are about 40-45 players who could be picked in the first round, depending on whose rankings you believe, and there’s no harm in taking two outliers in the second round unless you believe a Brendan Smith or Riley Sheahan have no business being available when that 24th pick rolls around.

That’d be Klefbom (see previous thread).  If (and it’s a big IF) he’s still sitting around when #20’s called, then we might get him.  Keep the pick.  If not, I woudn’t be surprised to see us trading down again.

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 06/17/11 at 09:09 AM ET

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I wanted to see what your opinion would be on a trade with the islanders. Hudler and Emmerton for Nabokov and MacDonald or Hamonic and maybe a swap of det’s 1st for their 2nd round picks…  Also I don’t think they should offer Erricson more than 2 mil, I personally don’t think he’s worth more then 1.75 because of all the stupid plays he makes..

Posted by tkfergy from tkf1229@comcast.net on 06/17/11 at 09:23 AM ET

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Jagr is or at least was a 14 year old Mentally when he was with the Pens, He has a BIG gambling addiction too

Posted by Evilpens on 06/17/11 at 10:22 AM ET

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i’m a bit surprised about your comments on Jagr’s ego, do you know him personally?

Probably not, but his personality ‘issues’ are pretty well-documented, as is his poor work ethic, although the latter can be seen plain as day with his on-ice play.  As to the former, well, the negative reports far outweigh the positive ones, and where there’s smoke…

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 06/17/11 at 11:05 AM ET

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I wanted to see what your opinion would be on a trade with the islanders. Hudler and Emmerton for Nabokov and MacDonald or Hamonic and maybe a swap of det’s 1st for their 2nd round picks

I think you’re living in the past.  Mike Milbury is no longer the GM.

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 06/17/11 at 11:07 AM ET

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Does he like hookers and cocaine too? 

How can we only have 1-2 mil avail to sign a top 6(he’s at least as good as bert)Jagr but suddenly have 2 or 3 if its latch or cole?

Im start to think you just don’t like Jagr.. you’ve shifted from he is absolutely NOT interested into detroit to well he’s absolutely not coming and remain negative about the guy on every front even if it doesn’t alway make sense.. like money offered for him vs other forwards.

He’s really like a more skilled Todd bertuzzi at this point and we KNOW Babs has talked to him.. maybe uncle mike thinks Jagr is the top 6 guy to push bert.. another giant wing whose tempered with age and still has hands.. remember how unsuspecting we all were when Babs all of a sudden mentioned getting another forward specifically to push bert? Just saying..

I get your opinion but id rather see you use facts and context to give me a good assessment of the situation vs you defending your opinions of a player

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 06/17/11 at 11:20 AM ET

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How can we only have 1-2 mil avail to sign a top 6(he’s at least as good as bert)Jagr but suddenly have 2 or 3 if its latch or cole?

Because Cole and Laich are known quantities and they are NHL players.

If Jagr is at least as good as Bert, then $1-2M is perfect.  Let’s be realistic though.  Jagr’s spent the past 3 seasons playing in an inferior league, so there’s absolutely no telling what player will show up if he comes back to the NHL.

People were happy (no pun intended) hearing about how well Jiri Hudler did in the KHL, hoping it was going to help him when he came back to the NHL, yet obviously the level of competition isn’t as high as the NHL.  And Hudler spent one year there whereas Jaromir Jagr has spent THREE years there.

If it were a feasible possibility, I would like Holland to invite him to camp.  If he plays well, give him an offer and if not you let him walk.

I also think it would be slap in the face to Draper to ask him to “pass the torch” and then go out and fill his roster spot with someone nine months younger.

Nevermind the fact that I’ve never liked Jagr and would just prefer not to have him wearing the Winged Wheel.

Posted by Garth on 06/17/11 at 12:13 PM ET

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If it were a feasible possibility, I would like Holland to invite him to camp.

Best idea I’ve heard all day about him.  Then he can show if he’s ready to work.  Bet he won’t even show up for camp.  Let Montreal throw the ridiculous money at him and have their one-year albatross.

Of course, Gramps suggested the same thing last year about Modano, and look how well THAT turned out…[/sarcasm]

Anyone remember Joel Ward?  His name’s been mentioned along wtih Laich and Cole, but he seems to be a bit under the radar right now.  He’s not necessarily a top-six forward (yet), but he may be someone to pursue.

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 06/17/11 at 12:31 PM ET

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But with a mullet, dude. Come on.

Posted by cementslinger from Midland MI on 06/16/11 at 04:04 PM ET

Offer him an extra $500K to regrown the mullet.  Bet he’d take it.

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 06/17/11 at 12:33 PM ET

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I agree Garth.. fact is both kenny and mike are kicking the tires and in kenny we trust as far as deciding contracts but fact is we have money available and james isn’t going to cost 6mil.  Id prefer Laichs all day and night but we need people willing to take less to play here if we want to be competitive so the jury is out until someone actually reports on something pertaining them.

And I think Nashville would take radulov back in a heartbeat just sayin. As far as khlers. Coming back to the NHL.  Thank god we didn’t land nabakov either.. and Huds isn’t exactly a future hall of famer either..

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 06/17/11 at 01:15 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

I’d still rather try to go after Fleischmann than Laich.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 06/17/11 at 01:21 PM ET

AndrewFromAnnArbor's avatar

I’d still rather try to go after Fleischmann than Laich.

And I’d rather have the guy we originally traded Fleischmann for instead of his countryman and Caps teammate than Jagr.  And that’s saying something.

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 06/17/11 at 01:48 PM ET

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And I’d rather have the guy we originally traded Fleischmann for instead of his countryman and Caps teammate than Jagr.  And that’s saying something.

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 06/17/11 at 11:48 AM ET

Eh, you’re getting the same level of dedication and interest in the team, roughly the same size and shooting ability and the same complete lack of self-awareness for hairstyle popularity.

I don’t see much of a difference between the two.  I don’t want either on my team.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 06/17/11 at 01:51 PM ET

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Id prefer Laichs all day and night

Well, the thing is there are a lot of guys I would probably prefer over Jagr.

I like the Red Wings philosophy of bringing in veterans in theory, but in practice it hasn’t exactly worked wonders lately.

Dallas Drake was a hungry, gritty guy who was still at the NHL level for what he did.  And he hadn’t won a cup so it was easy to get behind him.

Brad May was simply not up to snuff.  He may have been hungry, but he didn’t have the skill to be an everyday player, so it was pointless.

Modano this year and the potential of Jagr have the same problems.  Motivation.  Neither one of them wants to be a third or fourth liner and they both have Stanley Cups.  And both are guys whose NHL careers were basically already over when they crossed paths with the Wings.  Neither one of them brings the intangibles that Dallas Drake had.  If you’re going to go for a veteran then why not go for someone in his early 30s who is stil hungry and still has potentially a lot of years left in front of him, rather than a castoff from a rebuilding team or an inferior team.

If they don’t land Jagr are they going to start fishing for castoffs from the AHL or the ECHL?  My dad plays in an oldtimers league and he’s a pretty good defenseman.  I’m sure he’d sign for league minimum.  I mean, I haven’t talked to him, but I think he would, to be able to play with Nick Lidstrom for a year.

I didn’t have a problem with them courting Nabokov because his inability to land a contract last year had more to do with money than anything…people were still into the idea of not paying for goaltending and Nabokov simply rolled the dice and lost.  Of course, having said THAT, I’m not looking for Holland to give anything up to get him back from the Isles.

Posted by Garth on 06/17/11 at 01:56 PM ET

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Would Jagr be “the Enigma II” or maybe “the Riddler”? His tenure with the Rangers reminded me a lot of Lang’s tenure with the Wings. In a word: mercurial. He would show flashes of brilliance followed by stretches of little to no energy or hustle. That kind of “I’ll work when I feel like it,” attitude was why Uncle Mike and Kenny sent Lang packing.

Unless all other options are taken I can’t see borrowing that kind of trouble again. With Jagr losing a step due to age he can no longer rely solely on skil. His will to work and hustle becomes much more important, and frankly, I don’t think he had that will during his time with the Rangers, and I wouldn’t bet that he found it in the less rigorous KHL.

Posted by wingsfanindenver on 06/17/11 at 02:03 PM ET

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My Wishlist
Lidstrom returns.
Wisniewski is signed 5 years for <$4.5MM.
Laich is signed 3 years for $<$3.25MM.
Ericsson leaves or signed for no more than $2MM.
Hudler traded for draft picks and/or prospects.
Jagr stays east of the Atlantic Ocean.
Wings win the Stanley Cup, beating Tampa Bay in 7 at home.

Posted by awould on 06/17/11 at 02:11 PM ET

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I also think it would be slap in the face to Draper to ask him to “pass the torch” and then go out and fill his roster spot with someone nine months younger.

Fact.  Although, if I may, I prefer “piss in the face”.

Posted by monkey from Finland on 06/17/11 at 02:16 PM ET

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I prefer “piss in the face”.

Posted by monkey from bat country on 06/17/11 at 12:16 PM ET

I did not know that about you.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 06/17/11 at 02:19 PM ET

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It’s Davison.

Posted by mortycrass on 06/17/11 at 02:26 PM ET

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awould… I agree with your wishlist except I would prefer that they got someone better than Ericsson

Posted by tkfergy from Grand Rapids, MI on 06/17/11 at 02:27 PM ET

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I prefer “piss in the face”.

Look, what you do in the privacy of your own home…

Posted by Garth on 06/17/11 at 02:29 PM ET

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Ahh, cheap laughs.  Always a good decision.

Posted by monkey from Finland on 06/17/11 at 02:35 PM ET

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Posted by tkfergy from Grand Rapids, MI on 06/17/11 at 12:27 PM ET[/i

I’m no fan of Ericsson but there is something to be said for continuity and he’s been learning the system from his first day in the league. He’s not worth more than $2MM, and only that much if he improves over this past season. Any replacement is a risk too. I’d like to see him sign for 2 years. He was already supposed to have matured and grown into this potential we hear so much about; he was supposed to be a known-quantity by the time this contract renewal came due. So far that hasn’t happened so any long-term deal would be taking the risk that he never lives up to the hype - at this point, I think that risk should be his to take, not the teams.

Posted by awould on 06/17/11 at 02:36 PM ET

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My problem is that he had one good playoff year, and he is still making the same mistakes that he was making in the AHL.. Personally I think by the end of the year Kindl will surpass Ericsson.

Posted by tkfergy from Grand Rapids, MI on 06/17/11 at 02:46 PM ET

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I don’t disagree. I’d be ok cutting him loose and I wouldn’t mind bringing up Smith right now if they can sign Wisniewski.  It would be a learning curve to get two young guys up to speed and break the Wiz into the system, but in the long run probably they’d all benefit from playing with Lidstrom, who will likely be in his final season.

Posted by awould on 06/17/11 at 03:00 PM ET

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Posted by yannick on 06/17/11 at 07:06 AM ET

As someone else said, Jagr’s selfishness is pretty well-documented.

If you don’t believe it, shoot Ted Leonsis an e-mail.

No really. E-mail Ted Leonsis.

Tell him you’re a Caps fan who finds the prospect of a Jagr return intriguing and ask him what he thinks. There’s a good chance he’ll respond to such an e-mail.

Posted by steviesteve on 06/17/11 at 03:00 PM ET

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Posted by steviesteve on 06/17/11 at 03:01 PM ET

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Also, if they give Smith a real shot for a full season, when Lidstrom does leave they’ll have a good idea of what Smith’s ceiling might be and can then set out to rebuild post-Lidstrom knowing what they got.

Posted by awould on 06/17/11 at 03:02 PM ET

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Posted by tkfergy from Grand Rapids, MI on 06/17/11 at 12:46 PM ET

Ericsson is young, huge, has offensive ability, has a ton of playoff experience, and this past regular season was a big improvement over the previous one.  At least one club will throw stupid money at him on July 1 and if he is looking for a payday he is gone.  My prediction is that you will get your wish.

Posted by monkey from Finland on 06/17/11 at 03:04 PM ET

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I wouldn’t mind bringing up Smith right now if they can sign Wisniewski

Being from GR I see all of the wings prospects when I go to the game and the only problem with smith is he needs to mature… But he can do that in the NHL just as well as the AHL… And Tatar plays like Hudler did before he went to the KHL/

Posted by tkfergy from Grand Rapids, MI on 06/17/11 at 03:04 PM ET

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Being from GR I see all of the wings prospects when I go to the game and the only problem with smith is he needs to mature… But he can do that in the NHL just as well as the AHL

I am basing my opinion purely on comments like that and just what I read. I’ve never seen the kid play, living in Phoenix it is hard to get out to Grand Rapids! But everyone seems to think he is as ready for the NHL as he’ll get. Nobody, especially defensmen, comes into the league a seasoned veteran.

Posted by monkey from bat country on 06/17/11 at 01:04 PM ET[/i

I kind of think that’s how this will play out too. If Ericsson weren’t looking for a payday, he’d have probably signed already. My guess is, he’ll get to FA and get a couple of overblown offers from Minnesota or some other crappy team and then hope and pray that the Wings match or at least increase substantially. My bet is, they won’t and he’ll be gone, and like Lebda, have sleepless nights full of regret.

Posted by awould on 06/17/11 at 03:19 PM ET

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I also think it would be slap in the face to Draper to ask him to “pass the torch” and then go out and fill his roster spot with someone nine months younger.  -  JAGR. -

Posted by Garth on 06/17/11 at 10:13 AM ET

Bingo Garth.  If there is a spot due to losing Eaves or Miller, I’d rather Draper be resigned than adding The Mullet.  Sure we can think of his dominant offensive stature of 10 years ago but this ain’t the same guy.

Actually I’d like to get a top 6 forward instead of either Draper or Jagr, but we KNOW Draper’s work ethic, selflessness, and positive effect on the locker room, and he still has his wheels and face off is still positive.

  No I do not know Jagr but my impression is if he had any effect on the locker room it would be negative.

This just does not seem rational for the Red Wings.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 06/17/11 at 03:29 PM ET

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I didn’t think anyone would rival Michener for productivty and volume of work, but George you may have already put more pages up than Michener.  Just need to come up with some epic all encompassing one word titles like Chesapeake, or Poland. 

You could roll up your blogs into works ready to be published.  “Traverse City”  “Novi”  “Hamtramck”  “Redford”.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 06/17/11 at 03:39 PM ET

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My bet is, they won’t and he’ll be gone, and like Lebda, have sleepless nights full of regret.

I see Ericsson as more of a “laughing maniacally while he swims in a mountain of lutefisk” kind of guy.

Posted by monkey from Finland on 06/17/11 at 03:47 PM ET

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Hilarious.  The USS Carl Vinson is getting a basketball game… and it’s Michigan State.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6673252

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 06/17/11 at 03:49 PM ET

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The fact is, there are very few options out there for a top-6 guy that would be an upgrade over Hudler or Filppula that we would be able to afford.

Laich & Samsonov.

Yes… Samsonov still plays just not in the NHL (Florida Panthers)

Posted by Jordan_NOHS from Detroit, MI on 06/17/11 at 04:00 PM ET

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I definitely agree that it would be a major slap in the face to Draper if the Wings singed Jagr.  And it sounds like a risky proposition at best.

I am actually all for an infusion of youth - let’s get Mursak and Emmerton going and Kindl and Smith on D.  As to which players we get from outside the organ-I-zation, i’ll leave that up to Ken.  In Ken I Trust.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 06/17/11 at 04:02 PM ET

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