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Red Wings mid-day news: on ‘Operation Bobblehead,’ Doan, Bouwmeester, new Griffins and Ferraro

This afternoon’s crop of Red Wings news begins with an article from DetroitRedWings.com’s Bill Roose that makes this Vladimir Konstantinov fan smile:

Upset by a late surge late from Kris Draper in Round 1 of Operation Bobblehead: Alumni Edition, former Red Wings’ defenseman Vladimir Konstantinov stormed back to runaway with the Round 2 vote, thus becoming the second bobblehead chosen by fans.

The Wings will distribute 7,500 collectible figurines characterizing Konstantinov to their fans at a select home game during the upcoming 2012-13 season. Konstantinov destroyed his competition, earning 36.5 percent of the vote conducted last week on DetroitRedWings.com.

Rounding out the top five bobblehead choices were Darren McCarty (10.8%), Sergei Fedorov (9.7%), Chris Osgood (7.1%), and Mickey Redmond (5.5%). Konstantinov’s name will be removed from the ballot and voting for Round 3 of Operation Bobblehead: Alumni Edition will resume on Tuesday, August 14 at 12:01 p.m. EDT.

Former Wings appearing on the ballot include, Sid Abel, Alex Delvecchio, Terry Sawchuck, Ted Lindsay, Joe Kocur, Kirk Maltby, John Ogrodnick, Luc Robitaille, Dino Ciccarelli, Brendan Shanahan, Igor Larionov and many more. Write-in candidates are also encouraged and there is no limit to the number of times fans can vote for their favorite former Wings’ player. None of the ballots casted during previous rounds of the campaign will count towards the next round of voting.

Operation Bobblehead: Alumni Edition is a multi-week online voting campaign to determine which bobbleheads will be distributed at select home games during the 2012-13 season.

Besides Draper and Konstantinov, three-time Stanley Cup champion Steve Yzerman will be the first bobblehead appearing in the hands of 7,500 lucky fans at Joe Louis Arena. The remaining three bobbleheads will be chosen through a week-by-week voting campaign on DetroitRedWings.com. Voting begins every Tuesday at 12:01 p.m. EDT and closes the following Sunday at noon EDT.

• Shifting gears in a big way, via RedWingsFeed, MLive’s Brendan Savage provides an updated assessment of the Wings’ likelihood of landing Shane Doan (it isn’t likely at all):

Red Wings general manager Ken Holland was tight-lipped recently when it came to Doan, saying only that “I’ve been in communication with the Doan camp a number of times throughout July. We have interest.”

But is it mutual?

Perhaps not since Holland confirmed that Doan has not visited Detroit since free agency began July 1.

According to a New York Daily News story, Doan’s agent said the only teams his client has visited are the New York Rangers, Philadelphia Flyers and Vancouver Canucks. Nashville coach Barry Trotz said last week that the Predators are also on the short list of teams Doan is considering.

Doan, 35, has played his entire 16-year career for the Phoenix franchise, which relocated from Winnipeg after Doan’s rookie season of 1995-96. Doan would prefer to return to Phoenix because he’s reluctant to uproot his family at this point in his career.

Teams are interested in Doan given his size (6-foot-1, 223 pounds) and the fact that he’s a dependable scorer with at least 20 goals in 11 of the last 12 seasons.

• While we’re talking about Red Wings targets, Savage was the person who first reported that the Wings have talked to the Calgary Flames about acquiring Jay Bouwmeester, but the Hockey News’s Lyle “Spector” Richardson duly notes that such a trade probably won’t take place because the Flames’ asking price for Bouwmeester makes him too costly to acquire:

Assuming the Flames are shopping Bouwmeester and he’s willing to waive his trade clause to go to Motown, the Wings still have to give up a decent return.

Given the Flames were among the league’s lowest-scoring teams last season, Calgary GM Jay Feaster would want at least a skilled scoring forward, perhaps Valtteri Filppula, who had his long-awaited breakout performance last season, in return.

The problem, however, is the Wings are also thin in skilled scoring depth beyond Filppula, Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg and Johan Franzen. They were in the market for Parise prior to his signing with the Wild last month and have expressed interest in free agent right winger Shane Doan.

Trading away a scoring forward for Bouwmeester would address one problem, but create another.

If Holland intends to bolster his ‘D’ without sacrificing offense, his best option is the free agent market, where Carlo Colaiacovo, Michal Rozsival, Brett Clark, Kurtis Foster and Jaroslav Spacek remain available, probably at bargain prices.

Otherwise, Detroit simply has to wait and see if the new CBA forces rival clubs to shop defensemen or look within its own system for help.

• I’ve got two more notes from RedWingsFeed, and the first involves the high likelihood that the Grand Rapids Griffins will start the season as-is, as noted by Griffinshockey.com’s Kyle Kujawa on Michigan Hockey Now. Kujawa lists several names that Wings and Griffins fans should become familiar with…

Adam Almquist, D – The second-to-last player selected in the 2009 NHL Entry Draft moved up the depth chart quicker than expected. An offensive defenseman, Almquist lit up the Swedish junior ranks and arrived in the country’s top professional league earlier than expected, less than six months after he was drafted. With two and a half seasons of SEL experience under his belt, Almquist will ply his trade on North American ice as he hopes to assume a large role on a Griffins blueline that will look much different in October.
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Luke Glendening, RW – The four-year University of Michigan winger became the first Grand Rapids-native to sign with the team when he inked an AHL contract with the organization in June. Glendening was named the CCHA Best Defensive Forward this past season and had a career-best 10 goals. The versatile forward will compete for a regular role on the Griffins as he begins his professional career.
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Tomas Jurco, RW – Losing is not something Jurco is overly familiar with, as his Saint John Sea Dogs won 81.1 percent of their games while he was there. In addition, he helped his team win back-to-back QMJHL President’s Cups (and one Memorial Cup) while appearing in the finals in three straight seasons. Known for his YouTube stickhandling highlights, Jurco is an all-around offensive threat who recorded 68 points (30-38—68) in 48 games last season. The lack of a transfer agreement with Slovakia has kept the Red Wings from signing him yet, but it is expected that he will be a member of the Griffins in 2012-13.

Petr Mrazek, G– Mrazek adds youth to a crowded minor league crease, where he is expected to compete for a starting job. Mrazek wrapped up a decorated junior career by leading his Ottawa 67’s to the OHL Conference Finals after recording at least 30 saves in 11 of 17 postseason games. Mrazek really rose to prominence at the 2012 World Junior Championship in Calgary and Edmonton, earning a spot on the IIHF tournament All-Star Team and winning the Directorate Top Goaltender Award. Mrazek made 52 saves in an upset over the United States and appeared on highlight reels across the world – mostly for his work between the pipes, but also due to his high-energy celebrations during the game.

Max Nicastro, D – A two-way defenseman with size, Nicastro developed his game in his home state of California before two seasons in the USHL and eventually Boston University. In three seasons on a deep Terriers blueline, Nicastro never managed more than 15 points (as a freshman, which earned him a spot on the Hockey East All-Rookie Team), but his booming shot makes him a threat on the power play, where nearly half of his career collegiate goals came.
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Riley Sheahan, C – Sheahan has already gotten a taste of the AHL, skating in seven games with the Griffins after finishing his junior year with the University of Notre Dame. He even made his NHL debut with Detroit in the last game of the season and showed fans that it won’t be long until he’s in the NHL full-time. Sheahan was a player used in all situations while with the Fighting Irish, posting a career-high 25 points (9-16—25) and finishing as a runner-up for the CCHA Best Defensive Forward award.

• And MLive’s Savage spoke to returning Griffin Landon Ferraro about his goals for the 2012-2013 season given that he’s fully healthy after battling injuries…Really since he was drafted:

“This year, I have to start producing,” Ferraro said. “I want to be a bigger part of the team ... so I can show them I’m improving and my game has gotten better. I want to get as much ice time as I can. It’s still a work in progress but I’m getting better and better. I want to be the best all-around player I can be, make the biggest impact and get the most out of my career.”

Because of his outstanding speed and good hands – he won the fastest skater competition at the 2009 CHL Top Prospects Game – the Red Wings envisioned the 6-foot, 174-pound Ferraro as a potential second-line when they drafted him. He’s also got a tremendous bloodline as his father, Ray, scored 408 NHL goals during 15 seasons with Hartford, Los Angeles the Islanders and Rangers.

“I feel like I’m a guy who can play on any line,” Ferraro said. “I have to be involved physically or I’m useless on the ice. I can’t be a perimeter player. I have to get into the forecheck and hit. I’m not a guy who can go down the wall and make a beautiful pass through the middle. I have to crash the net. Right now, I want to get back to how I was scoring in juniors. I feel like I can but at the same time, I need to be the best all-around player I can. I can be a checker. I can be a grinder. My ultimate goal is to play in the NHL. I’ve set high goals for myself, not only in points but to be better defensively. That’s something I’ve been working on since my draft year.”

Ferraro said he had his best strength testing ever at the prospects camp. He bench-pressed 170 pounds nine times at last year’s camp before lifting 225 pounds twice this year.

“For me, that’s big,” said Ferraro, whose goal is to “start strong. I don’t want it to be 15 games into the year to get into it. I’m confident I can do it. I want to be a guy who continues to play the (penalty kill) and I want to play the power play and show I can help the team out. More ice time is something I’m working toward. It’s something they’re not going to just give you. You have to earn it.”

• From RedWingsFeed again:

• And finally, the gents from Hockee Night spoke with me for a little over an hour last night, and you can listen to our conversation here:

 

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In re Bouwmeester et al:  At what point is the cost/cap hit of making a trade outweighed by the loss of competitiveness?  I’m trying to trust Kenny… but he is making it hard.  If we fans have to play this game of “wheel of free agency fortune” on the one hand, and the “we can’t mortgage our future for one or two guys” on the other… I’m going to start self medicating. 

I know the Wing’s future depends in some part on the law of the next CBA, but if the status quo remains into the next agreement, I don’t see how the KH model is going to generate anything but 6-8 seed teams.  Thats not all bad, but my feeling is that at some point you have to take a risk if you want another Stanley Cup.

This summer has been a real let down.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/13/12 at 01:52 PM ET

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@bezukov Do you even read news outside of Red Wings blogging information? The RW are in the same boat as over half the teams in the league. Trust Kenny but it’s hard? What did you just start watching hockey since 2002? Take risk?...Reading the majority of DRW “fans” posts is mildly depressing and it’s becoming more and more clear people have no idea how to actually run a team and not throw away the team every year at a chance to win…oh wait…We can be just like Philly! They’ve thrown everything at everybody for the past four years and they’re four time SC winners! Lets follow the Philly model…. o.O

What do you think Chicago, Nashville, Pens, SJ, Vancouver and the rest of the top teams are thinking? They are basically the same as they were last year if not worse…Everyone is in the same boat which is exactly how the league is designed to be.

Posted by JOhn from Michigan on 08/13/12 at 02:04 PM ET

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Reading about the Griffins makes me wish I lived in Grand Rapids…  Would love to see those guys play.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 08/13/12 at 02:04 PM ET

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@ JOhn From Michigan

I agree with Bezukov, as do most people I’ve talked to. You may be happy with this team going forward, but that only proves how little YOU know about how the sport works. You simply don’t lose The talent we’ve lost and expect better results. No team in the league lost more talent than we did. You act like it’s unreasonable for fans to expect more from Kenny Holland, but asking for “more” than nothing is not unreasonable. PS your post annoyed me so much that I literally have a headache. So there’s a small victory for you.

Posted by NHLrick on 08/13/12 at 02:36 PM ET

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If you guys think that adding Jay Bouwmeester (with a cap hit nearly at the level of Pav’s and someone like Fil going the other way) is the right way to improve this team, I really don’t know what to say.  Completely agree with John.  Kenny is who is he because he makes the right moves, not moves just for the sake of it.

Posted by BrendonR on 08/13/12 at 02:50 PM ET

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Posted by JOhn from Michigan on 08/13/12 at 01:04 PM ET

1.) I’m trying to assess whether you were going for stupid or rudderless in that remark.  Maybe you were going for both? 

I haven’t said that Holland’s management philosophy is wrong per se.  I just question if that business model can generate Stanley cup(s).  Holland has said that its either the “one and done” method or the “make the playoffs and its a crap-shoot” method.  I’m not blind to the wisdom of that approach.  The thing is that in the last two years the CBA caught up to Detroit and the teams that won the cup has looked much better than the Wings.  Treading water every year may not work in terms of Stanley Cups when you always have GM’s willing to take the “one and done” plunge.

By the way, I don’t know what you’ve been reading, but Pittsburgh, Philly (injuries notwithstanding), Vancouver, and San Jose are way out in front of the Red Wings right now.  Maybe I’m not the one with my head up my rear.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/13/12 at 03:21 PM ET

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With all due respect gentlemen, none of us has any idea what’s going to happen until the teams take the ice.  And given the tone of the CBA negotiations, that may not happen.  Call me Pollyanna (and some have) but I trust in the Red Wings’ brain trust until the Wings start not making the playoffs.  And that’s a long way away.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 08/13/12 at 03:43 PM ET

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Posted by BrendonR on 08/13/12 at 01:50 PM ET

For what its worth, I don’t think Bouwmeester is the silver bullet in this scenario.  I just wonder if playing it conservatively as a rule (the Parise/Suter offers exempted) will get the Wings over the hump, or whether it will ensure annual averageness.  All I know is (right or wrong) it makes for a boring life as a fan.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/13/12 at 03:50 PM ET

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Reading about the Griffins makes me wish I lived in Grand Rapids…  Would love to see those guys play.
Posted by MsRedWinger from Homer’s Office on 08/13/12 at 01:04 PM ET

I haven’t been this excited to watch the Griffins in a long time. Come oooonnnn October!

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 08/13/12 at 03:51 PM ET

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Making a move to improve a roster that Is in need of improvement is NOT the same thing as making a move for the sake of making a move. That being said, I’m not planting my flag on this Bouwmeester thing specifically. I think he could help the team for sure, but I never said a thing about filppula, you did. I don’t understand how anyone could argue the fact that this offseason has been disappointing. starting with the Lidstrom retirement and lasting through today. My point is that this team needs more talent if we want better results. If you like the team as is then great for you! Be prepared to have a worse season than last year. You don’t win more games by having less talent.

Posted by NHLrick on 08/13/12 at 03:51 PM ET

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So we should have spent the entirety of our salary cap room on Suter just to prove we are still TRYING to get better even if it means we aren’t actually getting better with a deal like that?  Sounds counterproductive to me.

I’m happy Kenny offered very reasonable and competitive contracts to those available free agents thus far. 

Holland offered Columbus a better deal than the Rangers did and Nash still headed for the Big Apple.

I’m kind of happy we haven’t paid what some teams paid for the few actual star players out there.  The way the CBA talks are going, it looks like some teams will definitely have to dump salary and the patient teams stand to make out much better if that happens. 

If the salary cap doesn’t go down, we are in no worse position than we are now… seeking a trade.

Yandle, whom everyone seems to covet, if he is traded, it won’t be until we see what happens with Doan and the CBA.  As for Doan, yep…I like him too.  But if we have to give him $7 mil for five years?  That is absolutely crazy talk. 

Sometimes patience is hard.

Posted by wedge56 on 08/13/12 at 04:07 PM ET

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Sometimes patience is hard.

Posted by wedge56 on 08/13/12 at 03:07 PM ET

That remark about says it all.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/13/12 at 04:16 PM ET

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1.) I’m trying to assess whether you were going for stupid or rudderless in that remark.  Maybe you were going for both?

I must have entered the M-Live forum by mistake.  What happened to the days when if you had a differing opinion it meant simply you had a different opinion?

Posted by Cal on 08/13/12 at 04:42 PM ET

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Is it ok to be disappointed with this off-season but not blame Kenny for it?

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 08/13/12 at 05:08 PM ET

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Posted by Cal on 08/13/12 at 03:42 PM ET

I didn’t say anything extreme or out of line in my first comment, so I don’t know what I did to be called uninformed or a bad fan.  Its one thing to disagree and its another to dress me down.  I answered him in the same tone he answered me.  Thats fair and within my rights, thank you very much.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/13/12 at 05:11 PM ET

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Wow.. I kind of agree with everyone and disagree with everyone.

Kenny shot for the moon to get Suter.. Parise offer wasn’t competative enough knowing what other teams were offering, but we had strong interest but I think it was more to try to land Suter.  I dig it.  HOWEVER, he let the Suter and Parise camps drag it along and jack up the prices.  At a certain point, Kenny should’ve got back in the driver’s seat and said thanks but no thanks and snagged Garrison or maybe even Carle.  I mean, if it really doesn’t matter if we got Suter or not, if the teams expected to be competative regardless, why not shore up the defense with a second tier piece and still give the young guys a chance?

Then you have the Semin debacle.  Highest skilled forward in FA and he’s not interested.  Detroit, home of the retread.  Babcock, trifecta winner, god coach amoung men.  We can’t manage the kids personality enough to get solid production out of him.. but Washington could?  His worst year is Franzen’s best.. wtf?  Term wasn’t an issue.  Money wasn’t the issue.  Just don’t get it.

Now, I don’t think Bowmeester is the answer.. at all.  Nothing about that trade would be worth it.  At this point I’m am MORE THAN HAPPY to give real icetime to our young guys and see what they can do.. give them an opportunity to make an impact.. motivation to bring it every night.  We do need a 7th NHL dman.. but only because of injuries and to stifle complacency and drive competition on the bottom of the depth chart as well.

Holland swung and wiffed… this year.  He really was putting all his eggs in one FA basket though and should’ve been making a concerted effort to land more than retreads the past 3 years.  We’ve lost Rafi, Lidas and Stuart the past 2 years.. known 2… possibly all of those guys were on their last leg in detroit, literally for Rafi, and we haven’t added anything.  That’s a failure.

So I see it from both sides, depending on if we’re talking about one summer, or cummulatively over the past few.  Either way, we have so many unknowns on the team at this point who knows how good OR bad we’ll be.  But it’ll be exciting, and if we were every going to tank, this is the year to do it.  Next years draft class is getting a lot of hype.. like 03 hype

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 08/13/12 at 05:26 PM ET

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@Wedge56

I read through the comments section on this page a couple times and I’m having trouble finding where anyone said anything remotely close to spending the entirety of our salary cap on any one player. Who are you even talking to? And on a side note for you “stand pat” people. How many points from the blue line will “cap space” put up this year? I’m not for blowing obscene amounts of cash on players but that does not mean I don’t think this offseason has been incredibly dissapointing.

Posted by NHLrick on 08/13/12 at 05:30 PM ET

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d by NHLrick on 08/13/12 at 04:30 PM ET


You know, surprising I don’t think it’s going to be putting up points on the blueline that’ll be the problem.  Between Smith and Kronner (Smith had over .5 pnts a game during his 12 or whatever game call-up and Kronner got what, 15 goals?)  I think it’s going to be the solid D parts of Lidas and Stuey’s game that will be missed and there weren’t really any available in FA.. but I do agree unused cap space doesn’t put up points and probnably would’ve been better served by getting another offensive thread on the blueline if we’re not going to address our defensive deficiencies.. we’ll have to make sure we score 4 goals a game to pull W’s.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 08/13/12 at 05:44 PM ET

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I get what your saying. Our defense is going to be very pedestrian as it stands which is not in itself a dealbreaker, it’s just not what were used to. The only point im trying to make (and doing terribly) is that it is OK to be disappointed in this offseason and in Kenny. That doesn’t make me a bandwagoner or less of a fan. I am not happy with how things have played out to this point and I want them to improve before the start of the season. Which moves Kenny makes and why he makes them are not my business but they are subject to my (and all fans) scrutiny. And I don’t believe were wrong for that.

Posted by NHLrick on 08/13/12 at 06:01 PM ET

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For what its worth, I don’t think Bouwmeester is the silver bullet in this scenario.  I just wonder if playing it conservatively as a rule (the Parise/Suter offers exempted) will get the Wings over the hump, or whether it will ensure annual averageness.  All I know is (right or wrong) it makes for a boring life as a fan.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/13/12 at 02:50 PM ET

Totally fair.  I guess my perspective is coming more from the point that Kenny not only bid on Parise and Suter, but also sent what appeared to be the biggest offer for Rick Nash, was ready to do whatever was necessary to get Weber (but obviously had to have the OK from Weber’s camp first) and has been mentioned about talks regarding Yandle ever since his name came up as being on the block.  Having 3 of the big fish (Suter, Weber, Nash) being on Central teams has been a real tough place to start working from.  From what Babs said, it was family that ultimately determined where Suter landed, and if not he would be a Wing.

I’m really at a loss as far as seeing what else exactly he should be doing, as far as making a move that won’t remove core players from our roster for marginal upgrades and/or entirely lateral moves simply to shore up the D.  His pattern this summer shows he is interested in AAA talent, not a Top 4 D with mostly 4th-dmen sorts.  They are also obviously extremely high on Smith and believe he will be a difference maker right away a la the ‘over-ripe’ method.

So in summary, I can’t see how Kenny has been playing it conservative, unless that means avoiding giving up quality for average talent in return.  And god knows I want to see an upgrade on D like everyone here, but the emphasis is on upgrade!  Methinks Mr. I is telling Kenny to cool his jets until the CBA is sorted.  This teams needs to be competitve past just the next couple years.

Posted by BrendonR on 08/13/12 at 06:04 PM ET

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@NHLrick “I read through the comments section on this page a couple times and I’m having trouble finding where anyone said anything remotely close to spending the entirety of our salary cap on any one player.”

—Maybe that’s why I didn’t tag anyone on it.  It was a general exaggeration to make a point more clearly.  For every time a team signs a Stamkos-like contract which appears to be totally worth it, there are three teams that sign a LeCavalier-like contract and it’s an albatross around their necks. 

I was just trying to point out that paying a star player huge money, doesn’t guarantee that player will be worth it in a new town and a new system.  How about Scott Gomez ($7.35)?  How about Jovocop ($6.5)?  Wade Redden ($6.5)?  Brad Richards ($7.8)?  Brian Campbell ($7.15)? Ville Leino ($6.0)?

If you want Kenny to be the type of GM that blows it all out in hopes of a 2 year possible Cup window and then spend 4-5 years recovering from salary cap/cellar dweller hell and not make the playoffs, then so be it.

I still like Kenny’s approach.  I still like that Kenny isn’t panicking and I will point out that a lot of people panicking right now are probably a lot of the same people that have been whining about giving our young guys some playing time and a chance to make the big leagues.  You can’t have it both ways.

If the salary cap goes down, Bruins, Wild, Flyers, Flames, and Sharks are all in trouble.

I’m not saying Holland is infallible, but I do like his approach to the game.  So shoot me.

We will not spend to the cap this year.  We have 10 UFA’s and RFA’s coming up at the end of the 2013 season including Nyquist, Howard, Smith, White, Brunner, Cleary, and Flip.  We HAVE to see what happens with Brunner, Nyquist, and Smith this year and that means none of this out of the lineup for for 5 games after playing 2 games stuff.  That is no way to see what potential a young skater truly has.

Posted by wedge56 on 08/13/12 at 06:37 PM ET

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Posted by BrendonR on 08/13/12 at 05:04 PM ET

I agree with you man.  I don’t mean to sound like I think Kenny hasn’t been trying or that I’m not squarely in his corner because (my comments notwithstanding) I still am.  I just wonder where the line is between keeping the future intact and staying competitive in the present.  I am sure that I am hardly unique in this respect but both are important to me.  Its hard to say what the rest of the offseason will hold, but when I read the tea leaves the message is: prepare for a disappointing season.  Hence my questioning.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/13/12 at 06:48 PM ET

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It will be a dissapointment if the opening day roster is exactly the same as today’s roster (assuming a 7th D-man is signed) that is my point. I will blame Ken holland for this dissapointment. Nobody should expect this team to perform better than it has the last 3 seasons because the team has less talent on the roster now then it had during those seasons. I still love the red wings dearly and will watch every single game as I always do. If you also will be disappointed, then you agree with me. If you are not at all disappointed in this offseason, then you do not agree with me. I believe Ken holland could have been more aggressive without putting us in a financial stranglehold. There’s a difference between aggressive and stupid. I want aggressive. You seem to think I want stupid. As if I ever would have wanted Scott Gomez at 7mil+.

Posted by NHLrick on 08/13/12 at 06:59 PM ET

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Yes. The Winter Classic would be “rolled back” to the 13-14 season. The markets are too big and the moneymaking possibilities are too high to just move on to the next site.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 08/13/12 at 03:52 AM ET

Let’s be clear here George, as far as I know this is just your educated and Michigan-centric opinion.  Sure that makes sense, but when does NHL, Inc., base their decisions on that?

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 08/13/12 at 07:09 PM ET

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Posted by NHLrick on 08/13/12 at 05:01 PM ET

Church brother, I’ll never argue with anyone about that.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 08/13/12 at 07:20 PM ET

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Ferraro said he had his best strength testing ever at the prospects camp. He bench-pressed 170 pounds nine times at last year’s camp before lifting 225 pounds twice this year.

I was never a body builder, but did some weights a couple of times a week while in the Army as part of a rounded fitness program, and those numbers and weights are horribly weak, and I was about 6-1 185 at the time.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 08/13/12 at 07:25 PM ET

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#1 - Bouwmeester is NOT the answer to our defencive woes.

#2 - comparing rosters is useless at this point because not all rosters are full.

Every season I look at Sna Jose’s roster and say “wow ... not bad” but they manage to find a way to dissapoint.  I still believe they won’t win a thing until they get rid of Jumbo Joe.

#3 - all of out bitching & complaining is going to go right out the window because we’re going to witness another lockout.  Not lumping Mr. I in with the other greedy bastards but, owners are going to have to learn to play nice and share their toys (money). Until then, we’ll continue to see smaller market teams struggle and lose money.  Why some of the owners (and Bettman) think taking more money away from the players is the answer I’ll never know.  If they think the players make too much money then just lower the salary cap.  Why change the percentage ??

#4 - someone needs to contact FSD and insist they show at least one Griffins game a week once we know for sure there is a lockout.

Watching the Lions and Pistons this winter with no Red Wings to balance things out is going to be mighty painful.

Posted by Hockeytown Wax on 08/13/12 at 07:33 PM ET

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I just wonder where the line is between keeping the future intact and staying competitive in the present.  I am sure that I am hardly unique in this respect but both are important to me.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/13/12 at 05:48 PM ET

Absolutely, and I think if anything, Wings fans are more concerned about a competitive team now.  There’s no way our playoff or 100 point season streaks can end, not allowed.  If either of those happens, I will certainly be ready to cry foul on Kenny’s approach this summer.

Perhaps I’m more optimistic because, looking at the current roster, I see Kronwall ready to be a #1 dman, Smith coming in and being a force, Nyquist getting real Top 6 time and breaking out, Brunner+Sammy making up for Hudler, Gustavsson shoring up the goaltending, Renney keeping things fresh from a coaching perspective, and Fil improving on his breakout season.  If one were to add in Quincey actually playing close to his contract (which is not likely but also not impossible) and Ian White improving on last year despite not being paired with Lidas (also possible), things don’t seem so bad.

One thing is for sure: this team would not be where it is if not for a ridiculously demanding and discerning fan base that requires excellence every year, so I’m all for getting on Kenny, if its deserved.

Posted by BrendonR on 08/13/12 at 07:46 PM ET

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1. Everybody play nice, or I will clear out the comments section via whacks to all of your heads with my Louisville TPS Kevlar stick, which weighs two pounds and is such a tank that composite stick experts bow in its presence.

2. Bouwmeester may or may not be “the answer,” but the problem is that he is probably the Flames’ #1 defenseman, too, and as such, the Flames’ press corps has suggested that they won’t move him, period.

The Flames’ defensive corps essentially consists of Bouwmeester, Mark Giordano, Dennis Wideman, Cory Sarich, Anton Babchuk—who they want to get rid of—and a bunch of kids. They’re not keen on moving someone who plays 25 minutes a night unless they get a #1/2 defenseman in return…

And that is why the trade is unrealistic. Because the Wings don’t have a #1/2 defenseman, and, just as the team can’t really trade for Yandle because they can’t swap a #1/2 defenseman for him, they can’t give the Flames what they need.

For now, realistically, the Wings will go after a free agent band-aid once the CBA is settled, and then when teams are in roster trouble due to too many one-way contracts or perhaps cap trouble under new economic parameters around the start of the regular season, if not later into the regular season, they will make their move, but not before.

The reality of the situation is that the players who can help the Wings require an equal return, and the Wings do not have the assets to swap out #1/2 defensemen.

3. Ferraro’s bulked up considerably, remarkably, since his draft year, but he is a work in progress and he knows it.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 08/13/12 at 07:57 PM ET

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“IT’S HOW THE PLAYERS SEE THE WORLD” -

Don Fehr on what they’re going to pitch tomorrow to the league. 

His reaction to today’s pitch by the league on how they’ve “grown the business”,
“It was ...... interesting”, says Fehr.

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=53&id=185211

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 08/13/12 at 08:11 PM ET

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Posted by BrendonR on 08/13/12 at 06:46 PM ET

Well I have no doubt that we’ll see this team in late April, its just the early June part that I find myself doubting with this team.  This business of wait and see sucks.  I think we can all agree on that.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/13/12 at 08:48 PM ET

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Bouwmeester is not the answer.  He is a middling defenseman statistically yet is paid as a top 10 d-man.  Long term success in the salary cap era is built on players who are paid at or lower than market value.

Also, giving up any top six forward for Bouwmeester doesn’t make a lot of sense on value.  However, we do have a lot of young forwards in our system who are no more than two years away from being NHL players.

We drafted poorly on D for years, until the last few years, so we don’t have any defensemen, other than Smith, ready to play.  Smith is the most talented defenseman the Wings have had in the last 20 years, excepting Lidstrom.  I question his emotional control on the ice (will he be out of position too much) and his injury history.  Otherwise, his talent will shine soon enough. 

Also, we have so many young d in the system that can play down the road in the NHL and we will probably need only 3 of them to succeed.

We’ll struggle this year on D.  I would prefer we not block our young D from the NHL by signing okay defensemen for more than 2 years.

Posted by tcmarkou from Kalamaoo Michigan on 08/13/12 at 08:55 PM ET

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BTW, call me crazy, but I am convinced that our little young d-man, Almqvist, could play this year for the Wings with a positive plus/minus.  His stats in Sweden, especially plus/minus, were extraordinary.  My guess is that he is an excellent skater with genius type hockey sense.  I always trust smart, controlled, good skating d-men, over brutes who make the big hit but are often out of position and turn over machines.  Almqvist won’t just give the puck away.

Posted by tcmarkou from Kalamaoo Michigan on 08/13/12 at 09:00 PM ET

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The waiting game is what we have to deal with. It’s not going to change until the CBA is settled, and that’s evidenced in the complete and total lack of movement throughout the NHL, sans perhaps the signings of entry-level contracts. There are a good 40 usable free agents available, and at this time of year, they’re usually being signed for bargain prices, but instead, they’re sitting and waiting, as are each and every one of the NHL’s 30 GM’s.

It is what it is.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 08/13/12 at 09:03 PM ET

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Posted by RWBill from hiding indoors from Virginia heat. on 08/13/12 at 07:11 PM ET

i like fehr

Posted by Joe Z. from Austria on 08/13/12 at 09:06 PM ET

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Long term success in the salary cap era is built on players who are paid at or lower than market value.

....as cogent a comment as has been made…...the rest of your comment rings true, as well…..

....this is a season the likes of which we haven’t seen in a generation….of course we’re all a little jiggy….that is our imperative….

.....this is also the season we see what those damned kids can do….and if all the the forecasting is at all sound…..lot’s of folks have been saying a lot of good stuff about our kids, so give ‘em the damned keys….let’s see if that “seasoning ” regimen is valid….

Posted by dingus from the salty great lake on 08/13/12 at 09:51 PM ET

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....p.s…..i’d rather get an 8 seed with our kids than an 8 seed with boumeister….and no flip….

....i do think we should have landed semin, though…..

Posted by dingus from the salty great lake on 08/13/12 at 09:55 PM ET

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I am concerned like the rest of you about what the team will look like, but will wait until the dust settles and the regular season starts. I’m disappointed that the Wings didn’t get the premier defensemen or 2nd tier, but I wonder if they could have fit a Carle and Suter under the cap, even with the cap space, or run into trouble in 2013 with all of the upcoming contracts. My guess is Ken Holland was hoping for a quicker resolution from Suter, to allow him to grab Carle or someone like that, but basically got stuck.

I look at all of the top teams in sports, the Yankees, the Canadiens, the Spurs, the Lakers, the Celtics, the Patriots, the Steelers the Packers, the Penguins. None of them, especially in salary cap sports, have had as long of a sustained playoff run of excellence as the Red Wings.Can you think of a team in the modern era that compares in the four major North American sports? Every team on the list has missed the playoffs at least once, sometimes badly, during the Wings playoff streak, if my memory is correct.

Maybe I’m cutting Kenny and co. too much slack, but as I said earlier, sometimes time does catch up with you. You want the high draft pick? You typically have to stink.  You want the free agents? The most obvious (but not all-defining example) is the Chicago Blackhawks winning it all and then having the selloff during the summer.  Personally, IN HINDSIGHT, I wish they had signed a second tier defenseman or two and bailed out of the Suter sweepstakes, but ya’ ain’t going to be perfect in life. You want to overspend to get good players? Look at Tampa Bay with some guy named Yzerman—he signed Carle, Salo, at least 6 free agents, if I kept track, but they were a nonplayoff team last year. Maybe it wasn’t overspending (Carle 6 years/33 M), but he went into overhaul mode for a team 30th in goals against.

Technology and the world getting smaller took away some of the Wings’ advantages in drafting and free agency as other teams caught on, and the salary cap took away another edge. I still think management is top notch. I just think their edge over other teams is smaller, and that a lot of it is stuff they don’t control. I’m being a pessimist I guess, not because I don’t think the Wings can’t make the playoffs this year, but if the salary cap stays in place, the staying-on-top phase will be shorter like it is in basketball and football, and harder to maintain. Seeing the Kings win the Cup from the 8th slot and the New York Giants in football from the wild card slot, the St. Louis Cardinals win in baseball from the wild card slot, maybe the point is that making the playoffs as a middling team isn’t as exciting, but may be more prudent if the Wings want sustained success in the salary cap world. It’s hard in this era to keep landing Lidstrom, Federov, Yzerman, Zetterberg,Shanahan and Datsyuk type players in my mind because the world’s changed, that’s all.

Feel free to disagree.

I’m going to try to not pay much attention until pre-season camp starts and the Wings start signing their bargain bin players. Life’s too short to worry about the labor negotiations—not because I don’t care (I’m more for the players myself), but because I have no control over that. I do control spending my time on talking with fans, watching Datsyukian dekes, and enjoying the best North American sports team the last few decades.

off soap box again, I’m out of breath (have to get my hot air out)

Posted by Bugsy on 08/13/12 at 10:13 PM ET

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I’m going to try to not pay much attention until pre-season camp starts and the Wings start signing their bargain bin players. Life’s too short to worry about the labor negotiations—not because I don’t care (I’m more for the players myself), but because I have no control over that. I do control spending my time on talking with fans, watching Datsyukian dekes, and enjoying the best North American sports team the last few decades.

off soap box again, I’m out of breath (have to get my hot air out)

Posted by Bugsy on 08/13/12 at 09:13 PM ET

If you were a girl I’d kiss you. cheese

Posted by calquake on 08/13/12 at 11:13 PM ET

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Semin at a year would have been a reasonable decision.  Any longer than a year at more than $5 million would have been stupid for two reasons.  First, he is simply too inconsistent.  More importantly, Pulkkinen and Jurco are extraordinary puck handlers and offensive talents who should play on the Wings in a year.

My new favorite prospects to watch are Athanasiou and Jensen.  They both are phenomenal skaters and great puck handlers.  They both need to understand discipline and need to get stronger.  We’ll see if they develop NHL smarts over the next two years.

Posted by tcmarkou from Kalamaoo Michigan on 08/13/12 at 11:21 PM ET

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