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Red Wings may be looking at a Conklin redux

As mentioned in the Ian White post, both MLive’s Ansar Khan and the Macomb Daily’s Chuck Pleiness confirmed that the Red Wings are kicking the tires regarding possibly bringing Ty Conklin back to Detroit as Jimmy Howard’s back-up, and Pleiness discusses the possibility thereof in detail:

“Obviously that’s our top priority over the next few days,” [Red Wings GM Ken] Holland said. “We’re not close on anything.”

Holland said that he had been in talks with a possible backup, but he felt that [the] goalie was going in a different direction. A source told The Macomb Daily the Wings have been talking with Ty Conklin, one of the few remaining viable options.

“You’re always looking to upgrade,” Holland said. “Are we comfortable once we get a goalie signed going into training camp? Yes. But we’d also like to upgrade if we could.”

Conklin played one season with Detroit, 2008-09, and went 25-11-2 with a 2.51 goals-against average and a .909 save percentage. He played the last two seasons with the St. Louis Blues in a backup role, struggling last year with a record of 8-8-4 and a 3.22 goals-against average GAA and .881 save percentage.

The options out there are relatively scant in Conklin, Marty Turco, Ray Emery, Curtis McElhinney and the perpetually-injured Pascal Leclaire, so it might behoove the Wings to get a deal done with Conklin unless they want to bring Chris Osgood back. I don’t see the Islanders giving away Nabokov at this point (and the Globe and Mail’s Eric Duhatschek confirmed this morning that the Isles no longer have to worry about waivers when moving Nabokov), so the best “free” goalie available is probably Conklin or Emery.

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HockeytownOverhaul's avatar

Great in the Locker room and can carry a team if needed.. I hate the panic that sets in when Howie goes down

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/11 at 09:22 PM ET

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I hate the panic that sets in when Howie goes down

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if they didn’t have to worry about Howard going down?  Wouldn’t it be great to have an actual, bona fide NHL backup?

Wow, what a crazy thing that would be…

Posted by Garth on 07/02/11 at 09:32 PM ET

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Conk Block is the first guy I mentioned back at the end of the season, if for no other reason he doesn’t mind giving the awkward pause before answering what everyone acknowledges is a stupid post game question, but is asked anyway.

Not being an expert on Ian White, or much of anything, signing him for under $3M in this market when all reporters reguard him as a top 4 defender is somewhat of a friggin miracle.

I guess the phrase “give Smith every opportunity to make the NHL club” means “try to beat out Jakub Kindl and Janik”.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 07/02/11 at 10:06 PM ET

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Holland said that he had been in talks with a possible backup, but he felt that goalie was going in a different direction. A source told The Macomb Daily the Wings have been talking with Ty Conklin, one of the few remaining viable options.

So so does this mean that Conklin is the one they talked to who felt he was going in a different direction?  Because that’s kind of how it reads to me…

Posted by Garth on 07/02/11 at 10:15 PM ET

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The max roster is 23? 

That’s 21 skaters.  If 7 defenders are kept that allows the 14 forwards under contract (let me recheck capgeek).

For D these six are probably firm:  Lidstrom, White, Kronner, Stuie, Ericsson…. Commie I suppose.  The 7th D would be up to 1 of Kindl, Janik, Smith, with the other 2 in GR, or gone.

Unless we carried 8 D on the roster, then one of the forwards would be gone to pare down to 13… Emmerton….Huds.. 

Still way early, some deal or deals could still be made but at least Holland is in a comfortable position now.  No one can call now thinking that Ken is over a barrel.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 07/02/11 at 10:16 PM ET

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Bring back the Conk Block.  He was a totally capable backup for us last time.

Posted by Nick on 07/02/11 at 10:17 PM ET

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So so does this mean that Conklin is the one they talked to who felt he was going in a different direction?  Because that’s kind of how it reads to me…

Posted by Garth on 07/02/11 at 08:15 PM ET

Yes I read that the same and was left confused.  Is Conklin likely or is he the one looking at a different direction?

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 07/02/11 at 10:18 PM ET

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Having Conklin on the squad again would be a welcome change to a disappointing free agency as far as the Wings go.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 07/02/11 at 10:21 PM ET

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That’s his typing error..let me look at his other article.

I believe he means that the Wings felt that the initial goalie was going in a different direction and that they’re talking to Conklin now.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/02/11 at 10:23 PM ET

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Is Conklin likely or is he the one looking at a different direction?

I hope they aren’t related, because he’d be a terrific back up.

And, no offense to him, but I don’t think he’s likely to get a starting job.  That’s essentially what he was given in STL, isn’t it?  And he lost the starter job there.  Or maybe he knows that in Detroit he would simply be a backup and not really given the opportunity to take the starting job away from Jimmy, like he was able to when he was Ozzie’s back up…  Maybe he’s looking to at least compete for the starting job.

Posted by Garth on 07/02/11 at 10:37 PM ET

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So will there be Conk at the Joe this year, or not??

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 07/02/11 at 10:48 PM ET

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If Conks is just playing games with us, like Jagr did with Pens fans, will all of us be considered Conk suckers?

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 07/02/11 at 10:49 PM ET

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Gotta be a trade in the future.

Posted by Tho from NC on 07/02/11 at 10:50 PM ET

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If I were to put odds on Conklin coming to the Wings I’d say it’s a 60/40 bet, with 60% being Conklin coming here, 30% being the Wings signing someone like Turco and 10% accounting for the possibility of Osgood coming back.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/02/11 at 10:51 PM ET

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All I know is that if Conks comes back to Detroit, I expect a 400% increase in Lord of the Flies jokes next season.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/02/11 at 10:52 PM ET

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struggling last year with a record of 8-8-4 and a 3.22 goals-against average GAA and .881 save percentage.

thats what we want as the capable back up to osgood? so conklin played 9 more games and was that much more miserable…....

osgood in the 11 games he played was much better than that last year

2010-11 Regular Season   11 (games played)  5(wins)  3(losses)  2(OTL)  29(GA) 2.77(GAA) .903(SV%)

give me martin gerber if he decides to stay in north america, give me john grahame, hell, even give me ray emery

Posted by elphantasmo5000 on 07/02/11 at 10:53 PM ET

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Conklin also played his games behind St. Louis and their sad collection of oft-injured shitsacks and half-evolved apes playing on the blue line.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/02/11 at 11:00 PM ET

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... their sad collection of oft-injured shitsacks and half-evolved apes playing on the blue line.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/02/11 at 09:00 PM ET

Jumpin’ Jehoshaphat!

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 07/02/11 at 11:03 PM ET

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He also carried the pens in 08 when flurry went down.. the year Pitt lost ti detroit.  Then he came here and did good things.. then he went to st Louis and backstopped behind chhris mason I believe and then he back stopped behind halal and even halal looked bad and he was a playoff sensation so don’t put it on conks he’s a true NHL backup and a great locker room guy

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/11 at 11:06 PM ET

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then please explain how halak was able to put up pretty solid numbers if the blues D is so pathetic

also explain how the red wings had more goals scored against them than the blues did if the wings D isnt as you say

sad collection of oft-injured shitsacks and half-evolved apes playing on the blue line.

Posted by elphantasmo5000 on 07/02/11 at 11:06 PM ET

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J.J., I will never be the same. That comment was beyond stellar.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 07/02/11 at 11:09 PM ET

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Posted by elphantasmo5000 on 07/02/11 at 08:53 PM ET

Martin Gerber?

John Grahame?

Or those guys still playing??

And remember that Ty Conklin PLAYED for the Wings a couple years back and was no slouch.  His play for the Wings is what got him a starting gig in St Louis (which, um, yeah, he subsequently lost…), and he might still be in the organization if the Wings weren’t so set on giving that Howard kid a chance a couple years back…

OK, I could get behind Ray Emery, though I wonder if he might be the guy who “is going in a different direction” from what Detroit wants…

Posted by Garth on 07/02/11 at 11:09 PM ET

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then please explain how halak was able to put up pretty solid numbers if the blues D is so pathetic

So wait, are we comparing Conklin to Osgood or to Halak?

Nobody is saying Conklin is better than Halak is, why are you even bringing Halak into the conversation?

Posted by Garth on 07/02/11 at 11:14 PM ET

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Nobody is saying Conklin is better than Halak is, why are you even bringing Halak into the conversation?

Posted by Garth on 07/02/11 at 09:14 PM ET

I don’t think he was questioning the goalies as much as the oft-injured shitsacks and half-evolved apes.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 07/02/11 at 11:15 PM ET

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Posted by Garth on 07/02/11 at 09:14 PM ET

Yes, better comparison question would be—how AWESOME do you think Osgood would have looked backstopping the Blues last year?

Posted by SK77 on 07/02/11 at 11:19 PM ET

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i bring up halak because of this

“... their sad collection of oft-injured shitsacks and half-evolved apes playing on the blue line.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/02/11 at 09:00 PM ET”

jj claimed conklin had so poor numbers because of the D of st louis, even though they gave up less team goals than the wings did. and halak didnt have horrid numbers

and i bring up osgood because his numbers were better than conklins as well last season while on a red wing team who gave up more team goals than st louis. thats why

Posted by elphantasmo5000 on 07/02/11 at 11:19 PM ET

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The Wings do have very legitimate concerns about Chris Osgood’s ability to recover from his sports hernia surgery. Setbacks are more likely than not after such complicated surgery (it was extensive), and they may very well end up with a goalie who’s not fully healthy till November if they bring Osgood back and allow him to deal with the recovery process again through training camp and the exhibition season.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/02/11 at 11:22 PM ET

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and i bring up osgood because his numbers were better than conklins as well last season while on a red wing team who gave up more team goals than st louis. thats why

I understand what you’re saying, I’m saying that I think your comparison is faulty.

You were comparing backups, and when JJ brought up the defense, you changed the argument to backup vs starter.  It doesn’t make sense to defend the backup vs backup argument by bringing in the starter. 

There’s a reason that Halak is the unquestioned starter in St Louis and that Conklin and Osgood are both hoping to get backup contracts, Conks and Ozzie aren’t on the same level as Halak and shouldn’t be in the same conversation as him.

Posted by Garth on 07/02/11 at 11:53 PM ET

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I wonder if the goalie that Holland was previously talking to about backing up Howard was Vokoun. I’d certainly have been happy to take him for the $1.5 million for one year that the Capitals gave him.

But the Wings weren’t going to give Vokoun the opportunity to take Jimmy’s job away from him. Maybe the Caps were more open to Vokoun supplanting Neuvirth if he can.

Posted by voline on 07/03/11 at 12:06 AM ET

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Posted by voline on 07/02/11 at 10:06 PM ET

I think Vokoun’s a good signing if you want him to compete for the starting job or, at the very least, force a younger goalie to step up his game and prove his worth.  He’s not a good idea if you’re looking for a straight-up backup.

I’m very curious to see who Detroit has talked to.

I would bet it was Emery or Turco.  Emery probably thinks he can land a starter, or at least platooning goalie position and I bet Turco didn’t enjoy being relegated to a backup role last season, so he proabably wants a position that would allow him to challenge as a starter as well.

Posted by Garth on 07/03/11 at 12:18 AM ET

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Posted by Garth on 07/02/11 at 10:18 PM ET

I don’t know—with as much turnover as there already is in the locker room with new pieces coming in, and key vets (esp. in the locker room) going out, I don’t see the franchise rolling the dice on someone that’s known for creating drama when they need someone to play 25-30 games a year, max.

Posted by SK77 on 07/03/11 at 12:56 AM ET

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Posted by some kid on 07/02/11 at 10:56 PM ET

I’m assuming you’re referring to Emery and while I understand his rep, I am of the opinion that he was on a shitty team that was looking for an easy scapegoat, and with the BS controversy over his mask and the fact that he missed a team flight, it was easy to pin it on him when there was a lot of garbage going on in that dressing room.

He’s possibly the best goalie Ottawa’s had, played well in Russia (and I think baseballhatgate was way overblown), he played hurt in Philly and he played well while in Anaheim.

I wouldn’t blame Detroit for not signing him based on his reputation, but he fits into the whole Detroit reclamation project thing and I think that in an environment like Detroit he could flourish.

Posted by Garth on 07/03/11 at 01:33 AM ET

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Osgood > Conklin

Turco > Osgood


... sorry Ozzie, love ya buddy.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 07/03/11 at 01:54 AM ET

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Osgood over Conklin?  Ew, no way.  Osgood over an empty net maybe, but not much more than that…

Posted by Garth on 07/03/11 at 02:12 AM ET

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If Ozzie comes back I wouldn’t be mad.. he’d have to work his ass off but this isn’t the first time we thought the guy was down and out and then he bounces back and has a stellar run.. detroit loyalty I KNOW he would earn it

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/03/11 at 02:45 AM ET

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Pretty good day all around…

As I posted a day or so ago, Ian White is a “poor man’s Brian Rafalski” who does everything Rafalski did, just not quite as well.  Good skater, moves the puck out of his zone effieciently, excellent hockey sense.

A couple aspects of his game that I actually do think are an upgrade over Raffi are that he has a cannon of a shot from the blue line and he has quite a bit more edge to his game.  Being a righty with his ability to shoot the puck, I gotta believe he’s gonna see some time on the first PP unit.

What was it KH was saying the other day?  Something to the effect that the key to free agency is being able to find players who will outperform their contract….and as the dust settles after yesterday’s madness, the Wings get a top-four guy that looks like a very good fit at a fraction of the insane money that we saw tossed around twenty-four hours ago.

Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock.

Posted by WestWing from Portland, Oregon on 07/03/11 at 03:19 AM ET

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Oh, and for those who thought the sky was falling and wanted to throw Holland to the wolves after Doug Wilson traded to get Brent Burns last week, consider this…

Back in February, Wilson traded one of the Sharks’ top prospects, defenseman Derek Joslin, along with the team’s 2nd round pick in this year’s draft to Carolina for Ian White.  Now, after obtaining Burns in exchange for Devin Setogouchi, along with another top prospect from the Sharks organization, forward Charlie Coyle as well as the Sharks’ first round pick in this year’s draft, Wilson deems White expendable and makes no attempt to resign him.

For those of you keeping score at home, Wilson gave up his top two picks in the draft, two promising young prospects and a top-six forward, and essentially has only Brent Burns to show for it.

Ken Holland on the other hand has just acquired the same Ian White that Wilson essentially rented for three months without sacrificing so much as a single one of his organization’s assets in the process.

Posted by WestWing from Portland, Oregon on 07/03/11 at 03:44 AM ET

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Oh, and for those who thought the sky was falling and wanted to throw Holland to the wolves after Doug Wilson traded to get Brent Burns last week, consider this…

Back in February, Wilson traded one of the Sharks’ top prospects, defenseman Derek Joslin, along with the team’s 2nd round pick in this year’s draft to Carolina for Ian White.  Now, after obtaining Burns in exchange for Devin Setogouchi, along with another top prospect from the Sharks organization, forward Charlie Coyle as well as the Sharks’ first round pick in this year’s draft, Wilson deems White expendable and makes no attempt to resign him.

For those of you keeping score at home, Wilson gave up his top two picks in the draft, two promising young prospects and a top-six forward, and essentially has only Brent Burns to show for it.

Ken Holland on the other hand has just acquired the same Ian White that Wilson essentially rented for three months without sacrificing so much as a single one of his organization’s assets in the process.

Posted by WestWing from Portland, Oregon on 07/03/11 at 01:44 AM ET

This comment should be framed for posterity.

Posted by SYF from Zata's Epic Viking Beard on 07/03/11 at 04:14 AM ET

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I’m no good at graphics but yes, that comment should be matted, framed and then gently tucked into the, “Quotes to read next May” folder.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/03/11 at 04:32 AM ET

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Vokoun signed for $1.5 mil? That seems ridiculously cheap. Assuming Detroit couldn’t have convinced him to enter as a back up, but could’ve pushed Jimmy, which I wouldn’t mind.

I could get behind Conks (first choice) and Emery, but if we bring back Ozzie, or sign Turco I’m going to hate life. Turco was god awful in Chicago and the only thing he was notable for last year was his gambling from the bench incident. Unfortunately, humor and personality don’t win games.

Posted by DrewBehr from Holland, MI on 07/03/11 at 04:46 AM ET

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