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Red Wings early overnight report: Doan believe the hype? Wings probably bowed out for good reasons

Updated with more “overnight report” type stuff at 4:44 AM: On a tumultuous day for Red Wings’ fans collective and individual emotional well-being, I’d usually stuff this into an overnight report, but we might as well shake the bad news out of the bad news tree while it’s giving: MLive’s Ansar Khan reports that Aaron Ward’s suggestion that the Red Wings have chosen to step out of the bidding for Shane Doan is indeed true, but it’s true for the right reason:

An acute and consistent case of CBA insanity preying upon the minds of general managers and owners who seem to believe that they can spend as much as they want for the few top-flight free agents out there because they’ll claw a quarter of it back from the players (as Pro Hockey Talk’s James O’Brien noted, Jim Rutherford dropped $7 million on Alex Semin after sitting in on CBA negotiations).

Anyway, here’s Khan’s last bit of bad news for the day:

The Red Wings, according to a source, likely are out of the bidding for the power forward because his price is too high and “teams in the East have offered him ridiculous amounts of money.’’ One Eastern Conference club reportedly has a four-year, $30 million offer on the table. The Red Wings were hoping to sign him for three years at between $4.5 million and $5 million.

Red Wings general manager Ken Holland couldn’t be reached for comment.

Doan’s agent, Terry Bross, said he couldn’t confirm if the Red Wings are out of the bidding because he hasn’t spoken to Holland in a couple of days.

“Ken made an offer, but we haven’t countered or had much negotiation,’’ Bross said Thursday night. “We haven’t eliminated anybody.’‘

That’s great, Terry but are you planning on taking the Shane Doan Grand Tour to Detroit after stops in New York and Philly, and a TBD visit to Montreal?

Bross said no meeting with Detroit has been scheduled.

So the Wings appear—and perhaps have appeared since they lost out on Suter—to not want to overpay via free agency (Doan is 35 and is asking for big money and long term—and let’s not ignore the fact that he’d prefer to stay with the Coyotes, or, as it appears, sign with an Eastern Conference team—and Semin would have gotten Nick Lidstrom money) or trades to simply be a cap team for the sake of being a cap team with an uncertain set of business parameters to come and Valtteri Filppula, Danny Cleary, Drew Miller, Ian White and Jimmy Howard qualifying for unrestricted free agency next year, and Gustav Nyquist, Brendan Smith, Jakub Kindl, Jan Mursak and a host of prospects becoming RFA’s in what will certainly be a more, ahem, restricted contract environment…

As much as the Red Wings would like to add a top-six forward, they are prepared to head into the season with what they have up front. Once they sign Justin Abdelkader, they will have 16 forwards under contract. That includes rookies Damien Brunner and Gustav Nyquist, both of whom they have the option of assigning to the Grand Rapids Griffins without clearing waivers.

The Red Wings need a defenseman. There isn’t much left in the free-agent market, but Detroit has some interest in Carlo Colaiacovo, who has shown some offensive ability in four-plus seasons with the St. Louis Blues but has been injury-prone. Other available free-agent defensemen include Pavel Kubina, Michal Rozsival, Milan Jurcina and Scott Hannan.

I’ll toss the forwards into the mix again, per Capgeek: The Mike Knuble story is great, but Petr Sykora put up 44 points, there’s always the wild card that is Andrei Kostitsyn, Jason Arnott and Jochen Hecht can score and Eric Fehr would be a classic reclamation project, and on the blueline, Colaiacovo, Kubina, Rozsival, Jurcina, Hannan Jaroslav Spacek and three equally wild cards and/or reclamation projects in Matt Gilroy, Chris Campoli and Cam Barker are out there.

Now none of those players are going to sell jerseys, but they can help. Especially given that a) the free agent marketplace is more or less picked over; b) the Wings clearly want cap flexibility; c) the Wings may indeed be going forward seeing what their “kids” can do, as Brian Hedger suggested; and d) put simply, between potential cap trouble for their freer-spending rivals and inevitable roster gluts come training camp and the exhibition, especially on the blueline, it might be most logical for the Wings to wait out the CBA, watch other people pay excessive, “Fill one hole on your roster by creating another” prices for Bobby Ryan, Keith Yandle and/or Jay Buowmeester, and then find out which players are available when the season starts and the team has more leverage.

The Wings clearly need to make a blueline signing—or two—they need to decide whether Tomas Holmstrom is going to get the opportunity to try out for the team, and when Ken Holland turns his phone on, he needs to let Wings fans know that there is a plan. SOON.

Today, our faith has been tested, big time, and even I will admit that I’m scared about the Wings. Faith shaken, stirred and topped with a cherry.

But I’m bolted to the bandwagon, come hell or high water, and I know that it’s not just Holland making the decisions, but also Jim Nill, Ryan Martin, Kris Draper, the team’s pro scouts and of course the coaching staff in Mike Babcock, essentially a secon coach in Tom Renney and Bill Peters, and of course people like Jimmy Devellano, Chris Chelios, Chris Osgood and obviously the ownership are privy to what’s going on.

What do I recommend doing in the interim?

Well, if you don’t believe two sources, believe three, because the Macomb Daily’s Chuck Pleiness makes it three, and I had always been taught that three sources makes it legit:

Just a little over a week ago, the Wings were going to wait out Shane Doan. Now it appears the wait is over. And it’s all because a bidding war on Doan has ensued.

According to a source, Detroit seems to be out of the bidding for the power forward because the asking price is too high.

“Teams in the East have offered him ridiculous amounts of money,” the source said.

One team in the Eastern Conference has reportedly offered Doan a four-year deal with an average salary cap hit of $7.5 million a season. That’s a far cry from what the Wings were hoping to sign Doan for, looking for three years for no more than $5 million a season. Doan’s agent, Terry Bross, would not comment on whether or not the Wings were out of the running for his client.

“I haven’t spoken to Ken (Holland) in a couple of days,” Bross said. “Kenny made an offer but we haven’t made a counter-offer or had much negotiation. We haven’t eliminated anybody,” Bross continued. “We’re waiting to hear from the Jamison group tomorrow.”

Otherwise?

There are two Wings bloggers on Kukla’s Korner right now. The Chief is more charismatic and is recommending self-medicating.

This one already tossed off a, “Vent your anger here” thread and admittedly tried to wrap Aaron Ward’s Doan news in the softest pillow that brick through the window could be wrapped in via advocating for the return of Mike Knuble (which I still would like to see, though I’m not sure if the roster numbers allow it to happen).

Otherwise, I’m gonna try to see to do what I can do about getting something from the Wings, and instead…

I’m gonna say this, especially if this is a de-facto overnight report:

Thursday’s news has ensured that the Wings are out of the bidding for the leftover Swedish Meatballs at the free agent casino buffet, and will instead be plucking from the salad bar.

And I hate salad.

But there has to be a master plan at work here, and financial and term-related considerations that the free agents the Wings have been pursuing have exceeded in terms of demands, and in addition to the fact that we already know that the Wings have worked some angles we didn’t know existed (Rick Nash offer, Shea Weber offer sheet consideration), well…

It’s nearly August. We may have to wait until the regular season to see what unfolds. That sucks, and it’s scary, really scary, downright terrifying. Coming fro someone with an anxiety disorder, calling something “terrifying” is not a word I use lightly, because everything scares me. Everything but writing what I’m writing right now (hey, I’m an idiot, but maybe I’m an idiot savant at that).

This is a scary summer for Red Wings fans, and for the Red Wings.

The team has a crater on its blueline that no free agent available can do anything other than attempt to patch over. Even with a band-aid or two, the Wings still have a slightly poorer man’s Brad Stuart in Kyle Quincey, and will be placing quite a bit of hope in and responsibility upon Niklas Kronwall, Ian White, Quincey, Jonathan Ericsson, Brendan Smith and Jakub Kindl.

The team has numbers on the forward lines, especially given that even the Wings seem to have given Patrick Eaves the, “Tell us how you feel in September” line regarding his concussion issues, and between Mikael Samuelsson essentially replacing Jiri Hudler’s point production, frustration and status as a scapegoat, and Jordin Tootoo, for better or worse, giving the Wings even more forechecking ability and some un-Red Wing-like abrasiveness.

And the Wings’ goaltending is pretty solid between Howard and the reclamation project that is Jonas Gustavsson, with Petr Mrazek and Tom McCollum appearing to be ready to split time in Grand Rapids, and the Wings more or less “stuck” with Joey MacDonald until they can trade him and/or replace him with a veteran back-up to mentor Mrazek and McCollum in Grand Rapids.

But the team has lost Jiri Hudler, has lost Brad Stuart, has lost Nicklas Motherf***ing Lidstrom and may be bidding farewell to his carpool buddy in Tomas Holmstrom, and even by my optimistic assessment, until the team makes a meaningful trade—again, probably during the regular season or just before it begins—the band-aid or band-aids applied to the blueline from the free agent reject bin will still leave a deeper, grittier and much younger Wings team a bit worse off.

Look, I’m working my way toward getting my fat ass into the press box, but I’ve bought a ticket to every Wings game I’ve attended thus far, I wear my Wings t-shirts and hats, am lusting after a Lidstrom jersey and I’ve been following this team since 1991, which seems like not a lot of time compared to more seasoned Wings fans.

I love this team, I live vicariously through this team, I’ve been introduced to and become a part of an amazing community of Wings fans because of them, I care about its players and prospects and front office personnel, and tonight, I am afraid of what’s to come given all the uncertainty surrounding a team that’s been either unable or unwilling to land big-ticket players via free agency or trade after losing the face of the franchise.

But I am not losing hope, I am not losing my faith, shaken and ridden with doubts as it may be, and I’m going to keep believing that the good times aren’t yet over until this team’s on-ice performance says otherwise.

For now, we’ve got to take things, as Pavel Datsyuk might say, day-by-day-by-day as fans, accept that we’re going to hear more free agents and trade targets go elsewhere, cross our fingers and hope that the management team, coaches, ownership and personnel have more in store than they’re letting on, and in the interim, well…

We’ve got to cope as best we can. As I said a couple of days ago, no one takes attendance on the bandwagon, we’ve done our best to pad the floor below it so that you don’t break your ankles or impale yourself on anything if you want to get off, and if you want to trade in your Wings stuff or hawk it on eBay because your faith has lapsed, there are other hockey teams, other sports and endless ways for you to find a community of fellow fans to spend your discretionary time, income and emotional efforts with.

I’m staying. I’m hoping that you’re coping, and if some of you are as disturbed as you sound, the Chief may recommend the PBR, but I recommend talking it out.

Here’s hoping that there’s more sense in the Wings’ front office, coaching staff, ownership and roster than we know, and pleasant instead of more unnerving news, signings and performances to come.

 

Middle of the night update: Also of Red Wings-related note this morning:

• If you missed it, from the Free Press’s George Sipple:

Former coach Scotty Bowman and former assistant Barry Smith will be back behind the bench for the Red Wings during the Alumni Showdown on Dec. 31 during the Hockeytown Winter Festival at Comerica Park.

The Wings announced Thursday that Bowman and Smith would lead Detroit. Pat Quinn and former Wing Red Kelly will coach the Maple Leafs alumni.

Bowman guided the Wings to three Cup titles (1997-98 and 2002). He has more victories than any coach in NHL history (1,244) and has been part of 12 Stanley Cup-winning teams, including a league-record nine as head coach.

Smith was with the Red Wings in 1994-2005 and was part of three Stanley Cup championships with Detroit.

Kelly, the eight-time Stanley Cup winner and first Norris Trophy winner as the NHL’s best defenseman, coached Toronto to four consecutive playoff appearances in 1973-77. Quinn is a two-time Jack Adams Award winner as NHL coach of the year. He led Team Canada to a gold medal in the 2002 Olympics.

• I thought it was spiffy that the Wings’ Twitter account posted the following…

 

• But is today really the time to post Zack Crawford’s “Behind the Numbers” take on Jonathan Ericsson’s 2011-2012 season?

16: Finished the season with a plus-16 rating, his personal best since debuting with the team in 2008.

128: Number of hits he levied on opposing players this season, which was the fourth highest on the team and his career best.

200: Picked up an assist and three hits during career game No. 200 against Chicago on Dec. 30. He’s one of seven Swedish-born players who have played their entire NHL careers in Detroit.

• In foreign-language news, Fabian Brunnstrom told Helsinborgs Dagblad’s Linus Ahlin that he signed with the Frolunda Indians instead of a KHL team as his son Alexander is under a year old, and he didn’t want to be separated from his family;

• Iltahleti reports that Jokerit Helsinki GM Jarmo Kekalainen hopes that if there is a lockout, both Teemu Selanne and Valtteri Filppula will play for Jokerit;

• In prospect news, from Tomas Kaszczuk on Twitter, the Penticton Vees have formally announced that they’re bringing Wings prospect Jake De Haas from Ontario to the BCHL, where De Haas will play for one season before heading to Clarkson University:

The Penticton Vees Hockey Club has acquired defenseman James De Haas (94) from the Toronto Lakeshore Patriots, for the rights of forward Mike Sones (92).

De Haas played 45 games in 2011-2012, where he collected 10 goals, 29 points and 32 Penalty-Minutes. In 21 playoff games, De Haas accumulated five goals and 12 points, helping the Patriots to a Conference Championship appearance. The 18 year-old was drafted this past June by the Detroit Red Wings in the sixth round, 170th overall. De Haas is committed for Clarkson University, for the fall of 2013.

Vees Head Coach and GM Fred Harbinson says De Haas is someone the Vees had on their radar for a while, “We’ve been hard at work on this deal for quite some time. James has all the tools, size, quick feet and smart puck moving ability. We are very fortunate to add a player with James skill set and determination.”

Clarkson University is located in Potsdam, New York and play in the Eastern Collegiate Athletic Conference in NCAA Division l Hockey. The Golden Knights have made 20 NCAA postseason appearances, winning five ECAC tournament titles and 10 regular-season championships in their 90 year history. Former Vee, Ben Sexton will captain the Golden Knights in 2012-2013. Notable NHL alumni include Erik Cole and Willie Mitchell, both Stanley Cup Champions.

De Haas checks in a 6’3 and 200 lbs. adding more size to the Vees blue-line. The De Haas trade comes on the heels of another acquisition, where the Vees added another sizable defenseman Rob Mann, from the Markham Waxers.

  • And you may not think this is a big deal, but this kind of stuff forms the guts of a new CBA: NHL.com’s Dan Rosen noted that the NHLPA talked about more “nuts and bolts” issues during Thursday’s CBA negotiations:

“The Players’ Association made a couple of presentations, one on player pensions and the other on player health care and insurance,” Commissioner Bettman said. “Then there was a pretty good discussion on playing conditions in a smaller group, having to do with things like training camp and ice conditions.”

Mathieu Schneider, NHLPA special assistant to the executive director, said the Players’ Association was seeking to update player retirement issues, including pensions.

“Some of the issues haven’t been addressed since ‘94 or the late ‘90s,” Schneider said. “It’s a process. There’s an awful lot of stuff in that 600-page book and we’re trying to get through all the issues.”

Schneider, who spoke in place of Donald Fehr, the executive director of the NHLPA, said the discussion on training camps covered a wide variety of topics. The length of training camp, testing players must undergo in camp, the number of veterans that are required to play in preseason games, and the number of preseason games were all presented as topics.

“They are all areas for discussion and I think there are a lot of these issues we have the same common goal, and it’s coming to agreement in how we get to that goal,” Schneider said. “That’s a lot of what happened today.”

Schneider added that the negotiating session included “a lot of good, honest, and open discussion,” and that there was a good deal of player involvement.

The Canadian Press makes it sound like fluffernutter, but these issues matter, especially given that the CBA still requires fax confirmation of deals and hasn’t really changed the processes by which traded players are given accommodations, called up players are sent to hotels or how much lunch money the players get, from that to pensions, and if you can knock this stuff off, you can clear the way for bigger issues to be dealt with, so that when the percentage of gross comes on the table, that’s all you have to worry about:

“Today was another good day,” said [Schneider] the former NHL defenceman. “I think we had a lot of good, open discussion and it was certainly one of the days where we had a lot of player involvement and to me that’s the most important thing.”

Schneider adds that benefits have not been updated since the 1990s, while training camp issues include the schedule, player testing and the amount of pre-season games in which veterans would be expected to participate.

“There are a lot of these issues (where) we have the same common goal,” Schneider said. “It’s (about) coming to agreement and how we get to that goal and that’s a lot of what happened today.”

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman says both sides want the same thing on a number of the issues discussed Thursday.

“On things relative to the game such as ice conditions, we all want the best ice possible,” Bettman said. “These were really more discussion points than anything else at this stage.”

Schneider says players are taking a keen interest in a number of issues and adds that union members are more involved in the process than in the last round of labour negotiations, which led to the cancellation of the 2004-05 season.

“We’ve had guys that are very interested in the retirement benefits. We’ve had guys that are real interested in supplemental discipline ... (and) the core economics of the game,” Schneider said. “So I wouldn’t say that one thing is specific to all players. We have a wide range of players and a wide range of interests.”

The NHLPA’s website posted a four-minute video of Schneider speaking to the press.

The NHL and PA will meet again on Monday and Tuesday in New York.

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Primis's avatar

Still perplexed that so many Wings fans hate the idea of the younger guys finally actually playing.

It may not be pretty, but then at least Kenny would know what he has, and as I pointed out in the Doan thread on KK you can’t overlook extra ice time for the younger guys in GR as well.

Posted by Primis on 07/27/12 at 02:19 AM ET

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George, you’re an optimist.

Posted by HockeyFanOhio from Central Ohio on 07/27/12 at 02:20 AM ET

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Im wondering now how were gonna move all the f’s we have if not waiving some since no team will be able to take on 4the roster spots in their bottom 6.  More losing players for nothing looks like.  The ones wed get rid of are decent though.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/27/12 at 02:25 AM ET

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And i def want to hedge my bets and keep all our draft picks. At least the first 2

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/27/12 at 02:26 AM ET

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For you George, and for all of us: I hope that the anxiety train doesn’t come back into view until the start of the regular season (if it happens), for the CBA to hammered out and maybe give Ken Holland options for teams that can’t “afford” the new CBA. Otherwise, as much as we love to speculate and think about the future, in reality, it’s wasted energy until the dust settles.  I’ll still root and watch, but for now, I’ve dropped my expectations and hopes for this season to a team that plays hard, smart, and will be on a roll come playoff time, even if it’s as a lower seed.

Posted by Bugsy on 07/27/12 at 02:31 AM ET

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Here’s my idea for reclamation projects:

Gustav Nyquist
Tomas Tatar
Riley Sheahan
Landon Ferraro
Calle Jarnkrok
Teemu Pulkkinen
Joakim Andersson
Tomas Jurco

We’ll reclaim them.  We’ll reclaim them all until we get farshikkert!

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/27/12 at 02:34 AM ET

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I’m not worried.

Posted by PuckMucker from Detroit on 07/27/12 at 02:36 AM ET

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Still perplexed that so many Wings fans hate the idea of the younger guys finally actually playing.

^^^This

I also think we’re underestimating the potential impact of the Brunner signing.  Lot of offensive Top 6 upside there and Babs is a big fan.

Posted by BrendonR on 07/27/12 at 02:53 AM ET

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              07/27/12 at 12:53 AM ET

Yeah the downside with the Brunner signing is though, that even if he makes a case for himself to make the big club, if it looks like the team is giong to be pressed for roster spots or have to lose a player on waivers they’ll send him down and keep the assets.  Personally I’d rather see him play, I’m really pumped for this kid, really noticed him in the Worlds even before the articles about Wings being interested.  Love the idea of a speedy wing who shoots R who drives the net and has vision to play with high skill players

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/27/12 at 02:56 AM ET

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At least we are not Anaheim or St Looose

Posted by Lucce from Kingdom of Zweden on 07/27/12 at 03:00 AM ET

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One last thought. Over the decade plus, the Wings have been underestimated because they were “too old” but came back year after year. It would be nice to surprise the league with all of these youngsters come through, like Brunner, Smith, and Nyquist.

Good night HO, and everyone.

Posted by Bugsy on 07/27/12 at 03:04 AM ET

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I don’t see any trades coming, Holland doesn’t trade away roster players.  The last significant player (top 8-9 forward, top 4-5 defenseman, regular goalie) he traded away was SLAVA KOZLOV, 11 years ago, for Hasek.  Franzen and Filppula are staying, like it or not.

For free agent defensemen, I like Hannan and/or Barker.  Hannan’s solid defensively, blocks shots, and would shore up the PK.  Barker’s numbers have dwindled significantly, but if he’s healthy and plays better, he could help the team and he fits in age-wise with White, Quincey, Ericsson, and Kindl.  Plus he played for Renney last year in Edmonton, so there’s familiarity there.

I, for one, wouldn’t mind seeing a much-younger roster.  I think Smith is way overdue for regular duty, he should have been paired with Lidstrom all of last season, or at least for the first 20 games.  (I said so last summer, this isn’t hindsight.)  Now he’ll never have the chance to learn from him firsthand.  I’d like to see what Nyquist, Tatar, and some of these other exotic names are all about.  Honestly though, I’d be more excited about “giving the kids a chance” if we didn’t have Bertuzzi, Samuelsson, and Tootoo standing in their way.  The entire hockey world knows this wasn’t Holland’s plan until it became obvious he wasn’t going to pay the price for anyone else who was available.  Now any “kid” who gets a “chance” will be getting 4th line minutes unless/until he proves himself enough to get a shot on a top line.  Or unless Bertuzzi, Samuelsson, Cleary, or Franzen show they aren’t capable of playing there.  In which case the Wings are in real trouble.

I’m really wondering, is there a plan???  I know Holland was agressive in pursuing Suter and Nash, he was in the neighborhood on Parise but not on Doan, he didn’t make Weber an offer because “his agent never said we could” (you need permission to make an offer????) and showed no interest in Semin, who could help the team, but could hurt it as much or more.  Has he had any discussion regarding Bobby Ryan or Jay Bouwmeester?  We may never know.  The asking price may be too high, he may not have any interest, or Bouwmeester’s cap hit may be too steep.  Neither may truly be available.  But we’d like to know that Holland is doing everything under the sun to improve his team, not just make moves he’s comfortable with and sign contracts that he feels are appropriate.  Or we’d like to have heard that, once Lidstrom retired, he was going to go younger, give some of his prospects a real shot, make some moves to acquire some younger players, even knowing that it may cost him the playoff streak, but in return, get him a better draft position.  Instead we’ve heard that he’s content.  Well, he might be the only one.

Posted by joshy207 from Berkley on 07/27/12 at 03:21 AM ET

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If / when a new CBA is reached, there may be some teams looking to shed some CAP (read:  defensemen).

Posted by w2j2 on 07/27/12 at 06:02 AM ET

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Will they do that or roll-back salaries?  How do we know they wont have some luxury tax.  Cap floor is so high right and salaries so inflated that even there’s a situation in which teams are forced to shed contracts to get back under, there aren’t exactly enough franchises with money to spend that wouldn’t be close to the new cap as it is.  I’m not putting any eggs in the “what if” CBA steal a defenseman basket until I’m pissing off that bridge.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/27/12 at 06:08 AM ET

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There is no master plan at work for God’s Sake. The moves Holland is making aren’t working.

And there’s nothing that’s SCARY or TERRIFYING.

Stop being so god damn melodramatic.

Terrifying? Good Lord. Given the national events we’ve seen recently, nobody has any business calling the state of the hockey team “terrifying”

As for the Wings, Holland sealed the demise of the franchise two years ago when he signed Bertuzzi, Holmstrom and Modano. We needed new blood.

Instead, Holland went to the deli and farted in his soup.

Posted by Captain Bob on 07/27/12 at 06:48 AM ET

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please repost this wherever you want.

god. everybody keeps freaking out, but it’ll be fine roster-wise.

with all these forwards—all under different yet flexible deals—it’s the year they just tell everyone except maybe #13* on day one of training camp, “don’t think you’re safe. don’t stay comfortable. all of you guys are earning your jobs right now.”

they have enough NHL-ready (or what other teams consider ready) forwards that it’ll be fine if they make any deal, large or small. they can make a move for a decent defenseman, and when the time is right and the cap is certain (feb?) a real scorer.**

as far as defense goes, i think #52 is about to enter the prime of his career, and he HAS been around to learn from the best, so if he can use his experience to be a shade quicker and a hair smoother on his skates, he’s a Wing for awhile or he’s gone. there’s a huge need for depth, though. are the wings being asked if they plan to be a cap team from now on? isn’t that a question now?

(*#40 not yet named captain. that’s a message to everyone who thinks they’re on the team, because season ticket holders would buy ‘em up if they heard he was named cap. they are giving up ticket sales to send a message that this year, all bets are off. and truly, that locker room needs and will receive a message…)

(**the guys in place are good enough to play with talent, so why is jordin tootoo on this team but to eat up grunt minutes in meaningless games, fight some guys, and get a DUI? “welcome to the team, 22!” meanwhile, resident goober abdelkader has to feel threatened by him. #8 hasn’t signed a deal, yet? nobody should be shocked about that, right?)

so, for a change, i bet they’re saying internally, “almost nobody on this team should feel like they deserve to be here.” they’re also planning out the post-CBA world, planning late-summer moves, and if not, they’re all gonna be on the chopping block.

prediction: by march, you’ll all have forgotten about this weirdo summer, either because they’re where they usually are, or you’ve already offed yourself.

lgrw.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 07/27/12 at 08:28 AM ET

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I for one am all in favor of seeing what the younger kids can do. People have been bitching cause we never do it. Now we have no choice, unless a stellar trade happens.. So stop the bitching. You got what you’ve always wanted. Younger team.

Posted by RorSchach from Datsberg on 07/27/12 at 09:19 AM ET

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as far as defense goes, i think #52 is about to enter the prime of his career, and he HAS been around to learn from the best

I love it, I love this fantasyland thought that Ericsson is now going to be better than last year solely because the better defensemen aren’t around.  When Detroit had good defense he wasn’t trusted to be anything more than a bottom-pairing defenseman.  Oh, and they brought Quincey back because they didn’t trust Ericsson to take a bigger role with Stuart leaving.

But yeah, he’s going to vault over Kronwall because..well…because Detroit wasn’t able to get better defensemen, so he has to, right?

Posted by Garth on 07/27/12 at 09:32 AM ET

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Can I spell “R E B U I L D”. Yes I can indeed. KH is forced into this tough position because he really does not have any other choice the way it played out this summer. It will be nice to get a high draft pick in 2013.

Might be refreshing, but certaining different,  to root for an average to middling team. I am still gonna love watching Datsyuk give his magic day in and day out. What’s not to like about that?

Posted by joedaiceman on 07/27/12 at 10:25 AM ET

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For free agent defensemen, I like Hannan and/or Barker.  Hannan’s solid defensively, blocks shots, and would shore up the PK.  Barker’s numbers have dwindled significantly, but if he’s healthy and plays better, he could help the team and he fits in age-wise with White, Quincey, Ericsson, and Kindl.  Plus he played for Renney last year in Edmonton, so there’s familiarity there.

Posted by joshy207 from Berkley on 07/27/12 at 01:21 AM ET

Holland really, really, REALLY needs to sign at least one D-man. Minimum. I get the eeby-jeebies just thinking about Kindl on the backend all season. Ooeeennghghg…. I just got another one. Also, when there’s an injury on the blueline, and there will be because there always is, what the feck are we gonna do? Put Eaves back there? Datsyuk? Talk Jamie McCowan outa retirement? Send a search party to Siberia to find Maxim Kuznetsov?
This scares the bajeebus outa me.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/27/12 at 10:31 AM ET

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Kenny is going to look like a genius next year when we retain all our talent with the cash we saved on this ridiculous summer.  Plus all the teams in cap trouble next year

Posted by Joe from NY on 07/27/12 at 10:36 AM ET

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1) The only real issue(s) in the CBA talks is the amount of money that the new CBA will consider to be “Hockey Related Revenue” and what % the players are going to be allowed to receive. All other issues are window dressing/meaningless.
2) AS for Doan we agree with the Wings. Now, we’re not saying that Doan isn’t a very nice/good player in his own right, and certainly we would NEVER begrudge any player to get as much money as he can. However, we think that the numbers we are reading are a bit silly for a player on the other side of the hill and not likely to score more than 20 goals.
3)  Yes, yes, we understand the intangibles of leadership, etc that he brings, but is that the going cost of leadership?  Teams making these kinds of offers best be careful when their actual superstars are up for new contracts. If Doan with 20 goals is worth 7.5 mil, how much is my 40 goals worth?

Posted by Faux Rumors from Globally- Here, there, Everywhere on 07/27/12 at 10:41 AM ET

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Kenny is going to look like a genius next year when we retain all our talent with the cash we saved on this ridiculous summer.

Yeah, people will be climbing over themselves to get at all of Detroit’s sweet, sweet overabundance of bottom six forwards and bottom three defensemen!!!!!

Posted by Garth on 07/27/12 at 10:50 AM ET

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$30 million over 4 years for Shane Doan is absolutely asinine.

$7.5 million a year for a guy who is 35 and has averaged 20 goals and 55 points over the last 3 seasons? Are you kidding?

I’m glad the Wings are out of this insanity.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 07/27/12 at 10:51 AM ET

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Show us the kids. I think they deserve a shot at things, since we’re not going to sign anyone. What could possibly go wrong? So many fans seem to be in a panic that our season is lost anyway, so by my count, we have no reason not to give Nyquist and Smith a shot in the lineup.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 07/27/12 at 11:18 AM ET

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The only UFA who has been worth half of what he signed for is Suter.  The rest have signed for about 2 1/2 times what they are worth.  Parise is a younger and more highly touted Samuelsson.  The rest of the mob are way overpaid and not worth spending money on so the Detroit fans can bitch about their performance or lack thereof.

People, get this straight.  Doan was overpaid by Phoenix last season.  He is a third line player for a team like Detroit or Pittsburgh or even the Noo Yawk Rangers.  He is far from the second coming of Gordie Howe.  He is not even the second coming of Jack MacIntyre.

I have no idea what fans expect of Ericsson.  He is highly coveted by all the other teams in the league, so why cannot these hyper-critical people realize that he is what he is.  That is a very good NHL defenseman. 

Quincey got off to a rocky start last season with the Red Wings.  I expect that to not be the case this year.  He is a second pair blueliner and he will perform well in that role.

Actually, the current defense corps just needs a seventh guy, preferably one who can play, to allow for the inevitable injury or two.

I love the acquisition of Jordin Tootoo.  This guy can play.  He has some offensive upside that Barry Trotz never really used.  He pisses people off.  He can kill penalties (not a regular assignment in Nashville) and he can be trusted on the ice late in tight games.

We will see what we will see.  Right now, the key thing is to get Abdelkader signed and then pray that the Evil Garden Gnome and his minions do not destroy the league with another lockout.

Doc

Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 07/27/12 at 12:15 PM ET

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If we sign one or two of Carlo Colaiacovo, Pavel Kubina, Michal Rozsival, Milan Jurcina and Scott Hannan, we should be fine for the start of the season. Trust me, this is not the ideal situation we want to be in right now, but other than trading for and most likely overpaying for Yandle or Bowmeester, this is our only option. Our blueline can’t go into the season the way it is now. If we could somehow shed some of our 3rd and 4th liners, who we have excess of, for one of those dudes, that would be fine too. I could see us parting ways with Mursak, Emmerton, and possibly Miller or Abdelkader. Cleary and Bertuzzi could both be expendable at this point too as 2nd or 3rd peices of a trade (including a 3rd rd pick for good measure).

Bottom line, we need at the very least one more defenseman. Bring back Uwe Krupp or Corey Cross or Derian Hatcher for all I care. I wouldn’t mind slotting Kindl as our 7th. Baring any injuries, we would still be able to dress a competent lineup.

Options:
Kronwall-White
Smith-Quincey
Ericsson-(Colaiacovo, Cross, Hatcher, Krupp)
Kindl-Lashoff

or
Kronwall-Smith
Ericsson-White
(Colaiacovo, Cross, Hatcher, Krupp)-Quincey
Kindl-Lashoff

Jimmy will have to be really good this year, but I believe in him. He is up for the challenge.

I trust Kenny will have something worked out all in good time, and am thinking we will have no trouble getting into the playoffs as a 4-5-6 seed.

LETS GO WINGS

Posted by yzer19man from Chicago, IL on 07/27/12 at 12:25 PM ET

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I haven’t seen Detroit fans go Apeshiite like this since Bobby Ross would pull Barry Sanders for no good reason.  All the intense anger, cursing, threats, takes me back to the good ol’ days of Lions post-game shows on the radio-it eas hilarious.

Posted by beelza on 07/27/12 at 12:36 PM ET

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If / when a new CBA is reached, there may be some teams looking to shed some CAP (read:  defensemen).

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Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/27/12 at 04:08 AM ET

My money is on both.

With perpetual hawks/lil’ gary lap dogs like Leipold and Snider throwing money around, I have a sneaky suspicion that they’re expecting a serious salary rollback based on a new definition of “hockey revenue.” They’re thinking they’ll get to eat their cake and have it too (i.e., Leipold gets Parise and Suter, but only has to pay about 75-80% of the value of the contracts they signed). Who knows, maybe they even broached the subject during negotiations (“Obviously, nobody knows for certain [wink, wink], but there’s a good chance there will be some type of rollback. So, we’‘l sign you for X and you’ll probably end up getting somewhere between Y and Z. We’re being up front with you about this because we want you to know we really care about you.”)

Even with a rollback, however, I think there will still be some teams that need to shed salary to get under whatever the new cap is. IMO, that’s why Holland is being so parsimonious these days.

Posted by YzermanZetterberg on 07/27/12 at 12:57 PM ET

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Actually, the current defense corps just needs a seventh guy

Yeah, but that “seventh guy’ isn’t a #7 defenseman, it’s a top pairing defenseman (or second pairing at worst).

Posted by Garth on 07/27/12 at 01:01 PM ET

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The other crazy thing about Doan is that it would be a 35+ contract with no cap relief under any circumstance. Would sure suck for the team that signs him if he ends up like Pronger…

Posted by RyanVM from Philly on 07/27/12 at 01:10 PM ET

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Even with a rollback, however, I think there will still be some teams that need to shed salary to get under whatever the new cap is.

I’m not sure I agree.  With the previous CBA the NHL went from no cap to a hard cap, so spending was wildly uneven.  This year we’d be going from a hard cap to a lower hard cap, so only teams that are currently over the hard cap (if there are any) would likely be over the new hard cap.

Posted by Garth on 07/27/12 at 01:16 PM ET

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The other crazy thing about Doan is that it would be a 35+ contract with no cap relief under any circumstance. Would sure suck for the team that signs him if he ends up like Pronger…

Except that Pronger’s injured and the Flyers do get cap relief as long as he stays on LTIR.  The only concern is if he decides to retire.

Posted by Garth on 07/27/12 at 01:18 PM ET

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Parise is a younger and more highly touted Samuelsson

Posted by DocF on 07/27/12 at 10:15 AM ET

Oh I don’t think so; Sammy has an ability to piss people off by just opening his yap. Parise is ‘too nice’ in comparison.

He also can’t identify Steve Yzerman. (Trademark TDT)

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 07/27/12 at 01:18 PM ET

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I’m glad the Wings are out of this insanity.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 07/27/12 at 08:51 AM ET

The rest of the mob are way overpaid and not worth spending money on so the Detroit fans can bitch about their performance or lack thereof.

People, get this straight.  Doan was overpaid by Phoenix last season.  He is a third line player for a team like Detroit or Pittsburgh or even the Noo Yawk Rangers.  He is far from the second coming of Gordie Howe.

Posted by DocF on 07/27/12 at 10:15 AM ET

I am elated to be out of the Doanbag insanity.

I am relieved that Doanbag is not coming to Detroit. He is not worth 7 million, and, as DocF has said, everyone that has signed with other teams have been wayyyyy overpaid.
The season has not even begun. I have no idea what the season will bring, but, if the young-ins don’t get a chance, how will we ever know what they are capable of?  There are many factors as to why these crop of F/As didn’t make Detroit their final destination, and, I am sure that money was not the only thing that kept them from signing.

Whatever. Bitches.

Lets Go Red Wings In’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 07/27/12 at 03:35 PM ET

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Oops.
Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 07/27/12 at 03:37 PM ET

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I am enjoying the interesting comments throughout July on this blog.  I have to say I understand the different opinions on most of Holland’s efforts or lack thereof.

I have resigned myself to having the roster we have now a couple of weeks ago , more or less to start camp.

Doan contract offers are a joke. Parise/Suter in Minny is funny. Carle was over priced, on and on

The ONLY one that I might question is Semin, 1 year at any salary was not a risk.  I think Mule’s complacency and my lack of love for Quincey are more worrisome.

I too would like to see the Wings go with the kids/prospects this year, sorry George no 40 year old Knuble for me.  BUT I have trouble picturing Babs with a young group.

Will see in October I guess, Hopefully there will be one!

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 07/27/12 at 03:52 PM ET

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So, do I understand this right? Under a new CBA teams get to roll back salaries but the cap remains the same?

Posted by Howeandhowe from Seattle on 07/27/12 at 04:47 PM ET

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Under a new CBA teams get to roll back salaries but the cap remains the same?

No, the cap would go down and the salary rollback would reflect that so, in theory, if the cap were to drop 20% then the salaries would also drop 20%.

Posted by Garth on 07/27/12 at 07:37 PM ET

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One thing we all our not thinking about…is dats going to want to play after his contract is over for a team like det that is doing nothing to win now!!!

Posted by alan miller from philippines on 07/28/12 at 01:56 AM ET

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