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Red Wings don’t mind playing the waiting game with Doan

MLive’s Phillip Zaroo spoke to Red Wings GM Ken Holland about a certain Shane Doan and the fact that, well, his agent claims that Doan’s interested in playing for every team in the frickin’ universe, and that his “deadline” for actually considering free agent offers keeps on getting pushed back and pushed back.

Given the silly level of sales pitching going on, the Wings won’t fly to recruit Doan; if Doan wants to come to Detroit, the Wings will listen, but they’re not going to get worked up about it:

“I think Shane Doan has to make a decision, obviously, if he wants to leave Phoenix,” Holland said. “The media likes to create a lot of stories, but at the end of the day, a player has to make a personal decision that fits their wants and needs.”

Though Doan’s agent Terry Bross has been vocal with seemingly every reporter who’ll listen, he hasn’t said much of substance. So Holland will wait until Doan’s situation comes into focus a bit more before he starts counting his chickens.

“If and when he decides that he wants to leave Phoenix,” he said of the 35-year-old, “I think he’s a player that all 30 teams in the league would love to have.”

And, as the Free Press’s Helene St. James sensibly put it:

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why not sign semin now and if doan choses to come in two-three weeks, sign him to; if he doesn’t, at least semins in the fold.  People can say all they want about semin but he and ovechkin were the “men” there and it was a poor situation as apparently they aren’t quite self driven.  Imagine if Fedorov came to detroit with no yzerman and he was the “man”; would he have turned out the way he did?  Semin comes to detroit and chances are high he scores 30 + playing with datsyuk and picks up some of his work ethic.  Plus the size, SPEED and PUCK POSSESION he brings are just what the Wings need.

Posted by longtimewingsfan from mi on 07/11/12 at 08:38 PM ET

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Unless there’s another explanation for not getting back to Denver Post reporter Adam Dater, Colorado is one team you won’t see Doan playing for next year: “Does that mean, just because he blew me off, that Doan has no interest in the Avalanche?” Dater asked. “Hey, who knows, but all I know is the agent hasn’t been shy telling reporters whether the teams they cover were in the game to potentially land his client.” [DP]

Zaroo made me shit bricks laughing.

Posted by SYF from Zata's Epic Viking Beard on 07/11/12 at 08:42 PM ET

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I agree completely.

We need a serious goal scorer.  Sign Semin for 2/3 years at $10mm/$15mm or so.  He’s 28 and still playing for another contract.  Will have Datsyuk making him look good and likely elevate his play somewhat all around.  Babcock is strong enough to deal with Semin’s personality.  Truth is that Doan is not going to come to Detroit for any number of reasons.  Bypassing Semin is a big mistake.  If Doan wants to come to Detroit after all, sign him too.  Then you can trade from a position of strength for a D-Man and still have your offense set.

The bottom line is that Detroit needs to get better to advance further than they have the past few years, and the current situation clearly is not cutting it.

Posted by John Smith from Chicgo on 07/11/12 at 08:46 PM ET

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I completely agree too. The only problem is it seems Semin is looking for a long term deal or something else. Otherwise he would have signed by now. Several teams have the cap space to make any offer the wings can (and the contracts suggested on several other wing’s blogs). My only problem is that I’d like to see the Wing’s try out some youth. Both Zetterberg and Datsyuk came right to the Wings without much, if any, stop over in the AHL. If the wing’s blog-o-sphere is so high on a player like Nyquist or Smith, then they should be playing up a level.

Posted by howetohowe from seattle, wa on 07/11/12 at 09:15 PM ET

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Perhaps, most troubling, is the caliber and quantity of NHL players that have said “No” to the Red Wings in the last 3 years.  Many of these players were and are of a high caliber.  Furthermore, many of these players left significant amounts of cash on the table. One aspect of this years FA process that I find intriguing is tangentially related to comments made by Zetterberg and Franzen at 2012 IIHF.  Zetterberg ans Franzen openly criticized and/or complained about Babcock’s increasingly authoritarian coaching style. Zetterberg and Franzen made these comments when explaining their recent early round playoff exit. Canadian reporter Eric Francis, several weeks ago, claimed the Red Wings dressing room has stopped listening to Babcock.  At the time I brushed that away.  However, given recent players that have said no thanks, I wonder. Speculation, you say, I agree.  Then came the brilliant hir of Tom Renney.  Babcock described some of Renney’s roles as PP development and player liaison (to the head coach).  Lidstrom, with Babcock as his head coach accomplished awesome first’s; one being first Euro Captain to win a cup.  Given this massive accomplishment, Nick thanked Babcock for all the minutes he gave him. Weird, considering Nick is most gracious to everyone. I don’t remember a time, the Wings GM had to remind everyone that Hockeytown is still a very strong draw to all NHL talent. I like Semin and I love Ilya Nikulin.  Ilya is under contract at the KHL but, he does have an “out” clause.  In recent dialogue, JJ and Hlelene and I drool at a Russian style PP with Dats, Semin and Nikulin.  That would bring back the bold and creative Red Wings.  That would bring back a dimension to Hockeytown that teams feared, yet envied. Nikulin, has only played in the KHL.  If he will play for ANY ONE TEAM in the NHL, it’ll be for the men whom created and birthed the glorious “Russian 5.”  The pitch to Nikulin could be for just year.  Would he say nyet at the chance to play in the stead of living legend Fetisov.
Maybe Mr. I calls Larionov, and Fetisov and Kenny gives Lidstrom his first assignment.  “Nick, get the band back together, go over there and ask Semin and Nikulin if they liked to be the most dynamic PP in the NHL?” Nobody would see this coming.  Somebody ask The Chief how initiative and asymmetry changed the theater of operations.

Posted by beelza on 07/11/12 at 09:46 PM ET

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Zetterberg ans Franzen openly criticized and/or complained about Babcock’s increasingly authoritarian coaching style

Posted by beelza on 07/11/12 at 07:46 PM ET

Do you have any sources?  Thanks.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 07/11/12 at 10:14 PM ET

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Of for F’s sake. Zetterberg and Franzen were speaking to Expressen and Aftonbladet about the World Championships, and playing in round robin play. There wasn’t pressure to do much more than win, and they said they enjoyed having some more creativity and knowing that their ass wasn’t going to be benched if they screwed up and a puck went in their net because of it.

That’s life in the NHL, regardless of the coach, and given that I have spoken to Babcock himself on Monday, I can tell you that he hired Tom Renney as an “associate” coach, not an assistant, because he is not going to change and he has probably never really changed, save actually softening up and asking veterans for more input and/or going a little lighter in practices. The man is not more or less anything than he has ever been before. He is Mike Babcock, the Uber Type A personality that he is, and he readily admits that he will, “Push, push, push” because he believes that’s how you win.

The Wings’ brass consists of more than Ken Holland—it’s almost a hive with Jim Nill, Ryan Martin, Kris Draper, Chris Chelios, Mark Howe and the pro scouts like Kirk Maltby, the assistant coaches, the trainers, there are fifteen or twenty faces on that front office roster that will not allow a cog to squeak oil, and if Babcock wasn’t getting the job done to their satisfaction, his ass would be gone.

He is not the problem.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/11/12 at 10:29 PM ET

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Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/11/12 at 08:29 PM ET

Thanks for the bit of rationality, George. People seem to think that all NHL players are children who view their coaches the way that spoiled, resentful children view their overly strict parents. These are men who have been pushed their entire lives by one coach after another. Is there one successful coach in NHL history that wasn’t a bit of a hard ass? Was Scotty Bowman all puppies, unicorns, and rainbows? Most NHL players are mentally tough or they wouldn’t be playing at that level.

I also find it funny that people here complain about Franzen lollygagging around on the ice, but then complain that Babcock has “lost the room” because he expects players to work hard every shift in every game.

Posted by Seaner from San Jose on 07/12/12 at 12:15 AM ET

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I’m starting to think the Wings have been missing that elusive offensive piece since we lost Hossa. (think back to when we got Shanahan)

As Zetterberg and Datsyuk have continued to shine, they are no longer able to solely beat teams consistently, especially since they’ve been split up due to depth reasons. And as much as we love them, they aren’t getting any younger.

As much as we need a top 4 d-man due to loss of Raffi, Nick, and Stewie, we need a high-scoring winger. Like, now. I know (hope) something is cooking, but the longer this drags out the more I smell trade, and I don’t think any team is going to help the Wings stay dominant.

And all this talk of pending CBA stuff/teams off-loading contracts, for some reason I’m not confident in that approach.

But then again, maybe I was so amped up for that big free agency catch, and I ended up being most excited/surprised by Tom Renny getting hired. lol

Posted by babymachine from Portland, Oregon by way of Macomb, Michigan on 07/12/12 at 06:34 AM ET

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I think the Wings need one more player who can score, too. They just haven’t had that extra oomph in the goal-scoring department since Hossa left, definitely.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/12/12 at 08:08 AM ET

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since Hossa left, definitely.
Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/12/12 at 06:08 AM ET

Sad face n stuff :(

My theory why the Wings supposedly aren’t interested in Semin is:
1. He wants a long term deal.
2. Holland and Babcock don’t want another “enigma” on their hands. Having one guy who can be a beast but has “head” issues is bad enough… risk vs. reward isn’t high enough.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/12/12 at 10:23 AM ET

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why not sign semin now and if doan choses to come in two-three weeks, sign him to; if he doesn’t, at least semins in the fold.

Because they don’t want him at the price and/or length of contract he’s asking for.

Or maybe, and this could be crazy, they don’t want to commit to a guy who has a reputation for taking games of, being streaky and not having much heart.  Maybe they can sign him to a 10-year deal and put him on a line with Johan Franzen?  Maybe coax Alexander Mogilny out of retirement tyo join the line too?

“Hey, offer him one or two years at $5M per, he’ll jump at that, right?”  Yeah, especially when he’s got KHL offers on the table for $10M a year.  Why is there some assumption that he’s simply going to take a short-term deal at a pay cut of $2.7M a year just because you want him to?

Come on, Kenny, get it done.  And while you’re at it why haven’t you traded Jakub Kindl and Cory Emmerton to Minnesota for Suter and Parise?  GET IT DONE ALREADY!

Perhaps, most troubling, is the caliber and quantity of NHL players that have said “No” to the Red Wings in the last 3 years.

I count Ryan Suter, with a side of Zach Parise who the Wings weren’t pursuing as ardently.

Who are the other dozens of high calibre players who we know said no to the Wings?  Other than Hossa, who they couldn’t afford to keep when they re-signed Zetterberg and Franzen, I can’t even think of a big-name free agent they’ve pursued.

Posted by Garth on 07/12/12 at 11:03 AM ET

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Posted by Garth on 07/12/12 at 09:03 AM ET

All of what he said ^^^^^

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/12/12 at 11:52 AM ET

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I recommend RISPERDAL, with a Whiskey chaser.

Posted by beelza on 07/12/12 at 12:31 PM ET

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I recommend RISPERDAL, with a Whiskey chaser.

Risperdal?  Is he one of the numerous high-calibre free agents who have refused to sign with Detroit?  Or did you just not have an answer?

Posted by Garth on 07/12/12 at 01:31 PM ET

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I can’t even think of a big-name free agent they’ve pursued.

Posted by Garth on 07/12/12 at 09:03 AM ET

Was just thinking about this the other day when I concluded that the last two times the Red Wings landed a free agent that genuinely excited me (Ian White lovers, my apologies) was Hossa, and before that, Rafalski. They obviously haven’t had the money to do it based on the contracts they were carrying going back to July of 2008.

It would be interesting to see a comprehensive list of all of the FA’s that have been signed by Holland going back to 08 and a breakdown of how they impacted the existing finances of the team during that season as well as now. 

In recent years, we are constantly told by media bastions and Holland that salaries are rewarded based on market considerations

As the Wings continue to fly in a holding pattern with regards to landing anything significant this summer, seeing that whole timeline laid out with a fair critical assessment of each move seems like it would be good fodder for us junkies.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 07/12/12 at 02:29 PM ET

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