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Red Wings waive Teemu Pulkkinen

Updated 2x at 12:37 PM: From TSN's Bob McKenzie:

Either Andreas Athanasiou or Anthony Mantha made the team over Pulkkinen.

The Edmonton Journal's Jim Matheson doesn't believe that Teemu Pulkkinen is a slam-dunk to be claimed:

Update: For what it's worth, the Wings waived Ben Street, too:

Update #2: Here's the Free Press's Helene St. James' take on the move...

Waiving Pulkkinen a day after losing Martin Frk on waivers seems to indicate either Mantha or Athanasiou is staying, though both could be sent down without waiver exposure. Shedding Pulkkinen and Street leaves the Wings with 14 forwards, with 12 spots going to Henrik Zetterberg, Frans Nielsen, Tomas Tatar, Gustav Nyquist, Dylan Larkin, Justin Abdelkader, Riley Sheahan, Darren Helm, Thomas Vanek, Drew Miller, Luke Glendening and Steve Ott.

As it stands with the latest roster moves, at least one prospect could be on the roster for Thursday’s opener at Tampa Bay. However, it would seemingly only make sense to keep Mantha or Athanasiou if they are going to be used. Having either as a spare forward is less beneficial than playing big minutes in Grand Rapids.

Pulkkinen, 24, had six goals among 12 points in 36 games last season, but never was able to gain a foothold on a spot after suffering a dislocated shoulder. He was scratched much of the second half, and did not appear in the playoffs. Pulkkinen joined Finland for the World Championship, but he wasn't used once the games gained intensity.

He underwent shoulder surgery in June, but recovered enough to play in the exhibition season, including starting on a line with Dylan Larkin and Justin Abdelkader in Saturday's exhibition finale.

And here's MLive's Ansar Khan's take:

The move could enable the Red Wings to keep Andreas Athanasiou on the season-opening 23-man roster, which must be set by 5 p.m. Tuesday. Athanasiou and Anthony Mantha are exempt from waivers.

Pulkkinen, who had off-season shoulder surgery, was limited during training camp but played in a couple of preseason games.

Pulkkinen's booming right-handed shot provides the club with a different dimension, but he couldn't establish himself as a regular in the lineup last season, when he had six goals and 12 points in 36 games. He was a healthy scratch in the playoffs.

Pulkkinen has appeared in 70 NHL games, picking up 11 goals and 20 points.

He was a prolific goal-scorer in the AHL with the Grand Rapids Griffins but lacks size (5-11, 183) and has had difficulty creating space for himself in the NHL. He would have had trouble cracking a crowded lineup.

This move seems to indicate the Red Wings favor Tomas Jurco, another seldom-used forward. Jurco is out at least a few more weeks following off-season back surgery. He has not started skating yet.

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WOW, Way to go AA and Mantha

Posted by George0211 on 10/10/16 at 12:08 PM ET

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wow…
no room for him too??? (along with frk)

Posted by 0neoftheWings on 10/10/16 at 12:09 PM ET

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Looks like AA made the team.

Posted by blind1985 on 10/10/16 at 12:13 PM ET

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Dayum.

Posted by captaineclectic on 10/10/16 at 12:13 PM ET

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I wonder if that means Sheahan is getting bumped to 4th line.

Posted by blind1985 on 10/10/16 at 12:14 PM ET

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Ken Holland, man.  I wish he would at least trade some of these guys once in a while.  Or better yet, give them a chance before they are 23 years old and need to be put on waivers.  Miller, Ott and Glendening should not be guaranteed a roster spot, let alone the playing time that they can get.  They look like they play well defensively because they never have the puck! AA and Larkin are at least as good on the PK and are a threat when they are killing penalties.  Whether FRK and/or Pulk will be productive NHL players is not even the issue.  The point is that they are assets that have value and you cannot continue to just let these guys go for free.  Such horrible mismanagement.

Posted by jb61973 on 10/10/16 at 12:22 PM ET

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Wow

Posted by neffernin on 10/10/16 at 12:23 PM ET

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I’m assuming if he wasn’t injured that Jurco would be waived as well..???

Posted by Down River Dan on 10/10/16 at 12:26 PM ET

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Re: trading away these guys. Does the wings have any leverage though?  Teams know they’ll be put on waivers, so why give up assets?

For Frk, say if Boston really wanted him or saw him as someone useful, why wait for waivers? He’s probably boarderline anyways.

Posted by blind1985 on 10/10/16 at 12:26 PM ET

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Pulk is one dimensional.  That one dimension is pretty spectacular.  He can score and he can score at a really high clip, but he needs to be given minutes and in an offensive role with players who can get him the puck in good spots.  That one dimension has tremendous value, especially on the power play.  Of course, we need to get Abdelkader and Helm in front of the net instead of a guy who can score goals.  The guy was a scoring machine in the AHL and if the WIngs do not think he can play at the NHL level then he should have been dealt when he had more value and before management trashed him like they enjoy doing to all the young players.

Posted by jb61973 on 10/10/16 at 12:27 PM ET

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The fact KH could not get a pick for him is pretty astonishing. I think at least 5 teams would make a waiver claim.
This probably means AA made the team, so that’s good.

Posted by VPalmer on 10/10/16 at 12:31 PM ET

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I’m sure once again the only reason Holland didn’t get at least a low pick is because there’s no market.  Weird how there never is and we have the 30th most trades since the cap got put in place over a decade ago, but I guess that’s just the breaks—poor Ken is the victim of circumstance unable to overcome the incredible challenge of making a trade (as 29 other guys at least twice as often as him.)

Posted by captaineclectic on 10/10/16 at 12:34 PM ET

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Time will tell, but I think Frk & Pulky will both be solid contributors in the NHL. Will they score 20..25..who knows,  but if given minutes with a playmaker to get him the puck,  I think pulky can be a solid player.

Posted by Down River Dan on 10/10/16 at 12:36 PM ET

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So in other words, next year DET loses Mantha and maybe Athanasiou on waivers unless they each score 30 this season?

Posted by Primis on 10/10/16 at 12:36 PM ET

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THIS IS *#$%@& INSANITY!!!!  NOW WE’RE GOING TO LOSE PULKY FOR NOTHING!!?!?!?!?!?  *#$%@& HOLLAND STRIKES AGAIN!!!!

Can we now officially start a petition to get Holland fired?  I’m not even joking in the slightest.  If we don’t start this, then we will be part of the problem.  How do we do this?  Anyone?

Posted by Wise1 on 10/10/16 at 12:39 PM ET

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Can we now officially start a petition to get Holland fired?  I’m not even joking in the slightest.  If we don’t start this, then we will be part of the problem.  How do we do this?  Anyone?

Posted by Wise1 on 10/10/16 at 12:39 PM ET

You don’t buy tickets, merch, and don’t watch or listen, and hope eventually enough other people do the same for someone to take notice before it’s too late (hint:  it’s already too late).

Posted by Primis on 10/10/16 at 12:41 PM ET

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The really funny thing is that Pulkkinen’s spot probably is Vanek’s.

If Vanek scores 25+ goals, we won’t be able to afford to re-sign him.

If he doesn’t, he won’t have been worth losing Pulkkinen. 

Just excellent roster management.

Posted by captaineclectic on 10/10/16 at 12:45 PM ET

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In regards to all the guys we traded away or lost, they all have comparable stats to Sheahan (~30 points) and Sheahan is on the 4th line now. That’s including the guys we traded away and got things for. It’s pretty clear that our best prospects werent very good a few years ago, perhaps teams also know that now so they aren’t offering anything.

Jankrok 16g 14a 30p
Jamark 15g 14a 29p
Nestersil 9g 14a 23p

They are all the same and all worse than our top 9-10. We should probably be happy teams are putting these guys on their top lines, means they won’t do much.

Posted by blind1985 on 10/10/16 at 12:49 PM ET

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The really funny thing is that Pulkkinen’s spot probably is Vanek’s.

If Vanek scores 25+ goals, we won’t be able to afford to re-sign him.

If he doesn’t, he won’t have been worth losing Pulkkinen.

Just excellent roster management.

Don’t we have this guy name Mantha or something for the future?

Posted by blind1985 on 10/10/16 at 12:56 PM ET

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Don’t we have this guy name Mantha or something for the future?

Posted by blind1985 on 10/10/16 at 12:56 PM ET

At the moment.

Not sure what that has to do with the inefficient use of Pulkkinen.

Posted by captaineclectic on 10/10/16 at 12:58 PM ET

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Not sure what that has to do with the inefficient use of Pulkkinen.

You said it yourself, it’s Vanek’s spot now.

Pulky has 20 points in 70 games with a shoting percent of 8%. He also can’t hit the net to save his life. That’s why he is waived.

Posted by blind1985 on 10/10/16 at 01:02 PM ET

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So, what do we have?

Larkin-Abby-Nyquist
Z-Nils-Tatar
Vanek-Helm-AA
OMG
Mantha/Jurco 13th/14th

If Mantha not going to play, was it better to send him to GR and keep Pulk for now?

Posted by VPalmer on 10/10/16 at 01:03 PM ET

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Pulky has 20 points in 70 games with a shoting percent of 8%. He also can’t hit the net to save his life. That’s why he is waived.

Posted by blind1985 on 10/10/16 at 01:02 PM ET

Then—hold up here—he should have been traded while he still had value.

Posted by captaineclectic on 10/10/16 at 01:05 PM ET

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The “buy high, sell never” approach must really do wonders in the market for Kenny.

Posted by captaineclectic on 10/10/16 at 01:06 PM ET

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So, what do we have?

Larkin-Abby-Nyquist
Z-Nils-Tatar
Vanek-Helm-AA
OMG
Mantha/Jurco 13th/14th

If Mantha not going to play, was it better to send him to GR and keep Pulk for now?


They said they were keeping both Sprouls and X, that puts Sheahan in the mix with the OMG line. So the’y have 1 F and 2 D. Our D needs the marginal players much more than O.

Mantha most likely going down to A to learn to dominate. He needs that mentality AA and DBoss has, which dominating the A and getting call ups will give him.

Posted by blind1985 on 10/10/16 at 01:07 PM ET

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I forgot Shehan. I knew I was forgetting somebody, sorry

Posted by VPalmer on 10/10/16 at 01:09 PM ET

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I am guessing Carolina’s third line will be Pulk-Nestrasil-Frk?

Posted by VPalmer on 10/10/16 at 01:09 PM ET

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It is because he took Kindl’s jersey.

Posted by NEWing on 10/10/16 at 01:10 PM ET

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Then—hold up here—he should have been traded while he still had value.

If you were high on someone, why would you sell? Especially if you thought he was a 30 goal score and a need?

It’s not after 2 crappy seasons you realize how bad he is, everyone else knows that by now. We all thought Pulky was going to be better, but he’s not. Valuations change, you have to live with it.

Posted by blind1985 on 10/10/16 at 01:11 PM ET

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I am guessing Carolina’s third line will be Pulk-Nestrasil-Frk?

LOL

Even the OMG line can probably out score that.

Posted by blind1985 on 10/10/16 at 01:13 PM ET

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What it really means is that Kronwall is not going in IR, and they are keeping both Oullet and Sproul.

Posted by NEWing on 10/10/16 at 01:14 PM ET

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What it really means is that Kronwall is not going in IR, and they are keeping both Oullet and Sproul.

Rather have Sproul and X than Pulky. Hopefully they’ll be good enough to force E out of the lineup.

Posted by blind1985 on 10/10/16 at 01:17 PM ET

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Hopefully they’ll be good enough to force E out of the lineup.

That will never happen

Posted by VPalmer on 10/10/16 at 01:20 PM ET

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Even the OMG line can probably out score that.

Not diminishing the importance of this line as they can be good for us, but as far as scoring , let me predict that this line will score a total of 18 goals this season.

Posted by VPalmer on 10/10/16 at 01:21 PM ET

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That will never happen

And to that is where the “fire everybody” response should come. lol

Posted by blind1985 on 10/10/16 at 01:23 PM ET

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Children, listen to me.  Pulkinen has not demonstrated anything that makes me think he is a serious NHL player.  He may be a great AHL forward, but he has not shown a usable shot against NHL defenses nor goalies.  I really do think he will clear waivers as I do not believe any team is willing to give up a roster spot for a player who has shown so little. 

If he can develop at the AHL level to become a quicker shooter and more adept on his skates, then someone may want him. 

Those who are bitching about Frk getting picked up by Carolina as was Nestrasil a couple of years of years ago do not seem to realize that all NHL teams are not created equal.  Carolina needs bodies who are at least able to fog mirrors. 

Those are bitching because the Red Wings do not get anything by trading these players for something are not facing reality.  Any general manager who would trade a sack of used pucks for someone who is going to be waived would be in trouble with ownership.  This is not the way it works in this thing called real world.  It may be that way in your fantasy league, I wouldn’t know as I have enough trouble dealing with natural life, but it does not in real world leagues.

Yeah, it does not make me happy to see guys who may be good assets get away, but it works both ways.  My Beloved Red Wings picked up both Drew Miller and Patrick Eaves by that route.

Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 10/10/16 at 01:29 PM ET

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Why are we crying about a player with a big shot that, subsequently, could not hit the net? Most importantly, a player that proved this to be true at the NHL level?

Posted by ilovehomers on 10/10/16 at 01:34 PM ET

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We are “crying” because we are losing young, cheap guys who can play and keeping dead weight like Ott, Miller and Glendening.  Yes, Glendening is hot garbage.  The statistics are there for everybody to see.  He’s not good.

Posted by jb61973 on 10/10/16 at 01:50 PM ET

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I agree on Glendenning.  He’s a guy that should be in GR and called up in case of injury to your 4 line center.  Somehow he’s cemented himself as long-term building block with the Wings.  I think Ott and Miller bring far more to the table.

Posted by Uncle Rico on 10/10/16 at 01:53 PM ET

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Why are we crying about a player with a big shot that, subsequently, could not hit the net? Most importantly, a player that proved this to be true at the NHL level?

Posted by ilovehomers on 10/10/16 at 01:34 PM ET

Well at least it’s a big shot. Our blue line is full of meh shots that also can’t hit the net. That was one reason i thought Frk would be kept cuz he has. the big righty shot with accuracy we are looking for on the PP.

Posted by duhduhduh on 10/10/16 at 01:55 PM ET

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