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Red Wings waive Alexey Marchenko

No surprise here: the Red Wings have waived Alexey Marchenko, per TVA Sports' Renaud Lavoie:

MLive's Ansar Khan confirms, and he reports that Marchenko will be assigned to Grand Rapids if he clears:

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Babcock and Holland on Marchenko just about two years ago…

HSJ of the Detroit Free Press,

“I like him,” Babcock said. “He’s never in the scoring chances against. I actually like him better after the game, when I watch the tape, than I like him during the game. He’s go to get quicker, but he’s really smart.

“In practice the other day, he was our best d-man in a drill down low, 2-on-1, where all kids we call up get eaten up alive. He was outstanding. You can say it’s just practice, but that drill isn’t. It exposes everybody, and he was really good at it.”

General manager Ken Holland also has liked what he’s seen.

“The type of player he is at the AHL level is what we hoped he’d be at the NHL level,” Holland told the Free Press. “He’s a steady, safe d-man who can make a good first pass. I think he’s done that, in a small body of work.”

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/03/17 at 01:36 PM ET

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/03/17 at 12:36 PM ET

Funny you posted that Paul, I would not be surprised if Toronto claimed him, Babcock publicly and privately gushed over the kids intelligence.


I do not like this move at all.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 02/03/17 at 01:41 PM ET

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Do the wings lose more players to waivers than average or does it just seem that way?

Posted by SlimChance on 02/03/17 at 01:43 PM ET

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The clown show continues. He is definitely going to be claimed while Ericsson and his ridiculous contract that nobody else would have claimed is going to continue to stay in the lineup.

KH and Blashill are sucking the life out of this franchise on a daily basis.

Posted by Charles1986 on 02/03/17 at 01:43 PM ET

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UPDATE: WINGS CLAIM RIBEIRO FROM NSH

Posted by letsmakeit12 on 02/03/17 at 01:44 PM ET

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Put in the time, do it the “Red Wing” way and get tossed aside.
I’d be very surprised if he’s not claimed quickly.

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 02/03/17 at 01:44 PM ET

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I understand that the whole crew of KH apologists will be here soon to tell me that waiving Marchenko ahead of Ericsson is the right thing to do, so I will not act like this is the end of the world because it’s the decision you would expect from a GM who is absolutely inept to run the team anymore.
I will repeat myself that Marchenko is not worse than Ericsson at this moment, much younger, has much better contract, could be claimed (as opposed to E) and could be used as part of the bigger deal (as opposed to Ericsson).

Posted by VPalmer on 02/03/17 at 01:49 PM ET

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I feel like this is because we let Jensen sit in GR for so long.  If he gets a look last year and we get a sense that he might be a keeper, we could be in a position to trade someone else. 

Are we ultimately going to do the same thing with Renouf, Saarijärvi?

Posted by duhduhduh on 02/03/17 at 01:53 PM ET

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Are we ultimately going to do the same thing with Renouf, Saarijärvi?

Yes, if KH extends Ericsson after his contract expires and Smith this summer.

Posted by VPalmer on 02/03/17 at 01:57 PM ET

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Again and again and again.  FAILURE TO RECOGNIZE TALENT OR LACK THEREOF

Posted by stateofmifan on 02/03/17 at 01:59 PM ET

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I’m not a big fan of this, coming into the season I thought he had the highest upside.  I also don’t get protecting Sproul if he can’t be trusted to play 8 minutes a night, and he can’t. Is a season on the bench, and an offseason going to change that?

That said, the Red Wings and Ken Holland, despite the millions of tear and rage filled posts over waived names, have not yet waived a player that has gone on to provide an impact with another club.  Nesty is the closest, but to be honest, he had as much impact on Carolina, as Drew Miller did for us as a waiver pickup. 

Marchenko is likely just another name on a relatively routine waiver transaction list that occurred in the 2017 for the NHL, never the less, haters gonna hate. He’s #53 so that’s what I peg the comments to exceed on this. HOLLAND SUCKS!!!!

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 02/03/17 at 02:02 PM ET

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Posted by stateofmifan on 02/03/17 at 12:59 PM ET

By the wings for giving him a shot the instead of someone like Jenson?  Or the fanbase cause we’re upset about waiving a bottom tier dman?

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 02/03/17 at 02:03 PM ET

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Well this is another brain dead move by KH, WTF does he see in Smith with an IQ around 30. I liked Marchy. Steady, no Flash or offense,  I hope he gets claimed to avoid playing in the KH era any longer.

KH will not fire Blashill, both have no balls.  On the other hand , Hitchcock would eat KH alive.  #GoOilers or someone

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 02/03/17 at 02:04 PM ET

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*shrugs*

I have no idea what is going on anymore.

I am not convinced Smith is actually better than Marchenko, even.

Posted by Primis on 02/03/17 at 02:05 PM ET

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Marchenko has been bad this season. But he has shown flashes of a very solid defenseman that could turn into a consistent #4/#5 on an NHL team.
Bad roster management by Ken Holland is going to risk losing a solid NHL player

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 02/03/17 at 02:12 PM ET

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I also recall Babcock having glowing words for Jansen after camp, although the roster was too crowded two and a half years ago for him.

Posted by RWBill on 02/03/17 at 02:14 PM ET

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... Jensen ...

Posted by RWBill on 02/03/17 at 02:15 PM ET

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I’d waive Ericsson, just not worth the money he gets, and on the fly rebuild if there’s no change in team performance, you d go with the younger unproven player who turn out a big asset.

Posted by stateofmifan on 02/03/17 at 02:19 PM ET

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Someone had to go. Marchenko has not played well this season, though has been pretty solid in his short NHL career. Jensen is a keeper at least for now, so is Oullette.
And I guess the organization still thinks Sproul has a lot of upside., though I agree with Murray, if he can’t be trusted to play, then why keep him.

Posted by George0211 on 02/03/17 at 02:27 PM ET

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George 0211, I totally agree with the statement of can’t be trusted for 8 minutes. What I’m saying is I don’t think that the coaches limiting him to just 8 minutes can decipher talent.

Posted by stateofmifan on 02/03/17 at 02:38 PM ET

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Farewell, Dmitri Bykov 2.0.

Just a reminder that the “young” defensemen we are hoping someday amount to something aren’t actually young.

Ouellet, 23
Sproul, 24
Jensen, 26

Posted by captaineclectic on 02/03/17 at 02:42 PM ET

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I am finding it tougher and tougher to even give a crap about this kind of stuff any more.

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah from the basement of the Alamo on 02/03/17 at 02:47 PM ET

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I guess the big question is why are we drafting, developing and throwing away so many players.
Where is the problem with this sequence, are we bad at drafting or are we bad at developing?

Posted by George0211 on 02/03/17 at 02:49 PM ET

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To me not a single one of Ouellet, Jensen, or Sproul has stood out above Marchenko.  And I sincerely doubt Russo or Hicketts have anything to add above them eventually either.

This is what happens when you do a fine job drafting future serviceable NHL d-men, but none of them have first pairing potential.  In a way, it’s hard to fault DET’s scouts for finding a bunch of serviceable guys (I mean come on, Marchenko was a 7th rounder).  But man, you need one of them to pop eventually….

Just a reminder that the “young” defensemen we are hoping someday amount to something aren’t actually young.

Ouellet, 23
Sproul, 24
Jensen, 26

Posted by captaineclectic on 02/03/17 at 01:42 PM ET

They are still decently young, NHL-wise.  You don’t play 20 year-old d-men.  You generally don’t play 22 year-old d-men at the NHL level.  You just don’t.

I don’t think the danger is considering those 3 “young”, because d-men take forever to develop.  The danger to me is the people that still think Brendan Smith is young, and he turns 28 next week.  He’s not young, and this is the point in his arc where he’s supposed to be entering his prime.  If this is his prime…. he’s not very good.  He is what he is by now, no more growth is coming.

And DeKeyser turns 27 next month.  This is his 4th full NHL season.  guys like Smith and DeKeyser are running out of time.

Posted by Primis on 02/03/17 at 02:57 PM ET

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I guess the big question is why are we drafting, developing and throwing away so many players.
Where is the problem with this sequence, are we bad at drafting or are we bad at developing?

Posted by George0211 on 02/03/17 at 01:49 PM ET

See above:  DET’s been really good at narrowing down NHL serviceable guys, even in the late rounds.  It’s just none of them then raise their stations and potential.  That goes for both forwards and d-men.

It’s what happens when you draft pretty well still, but your NHL team doesn’t perform great.  You’re not winning, but yet you have to cut young guys go sometimes like Chicago has, without the winning to soothe the wounds of it all.

Posted by Primis on 02/03/17 at 03:00 PM ET

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Ericsson, Green, Kronwall, DDK. Those four have a roster spot locked down. Oulette and Jensen seem to have secured spots in the line up. That leaves Smith, Sproul, and Marchenko as your extras. Smiths been injured, and Sproul and Marchenko can’t stick in the line up, so one of them has to go. Could have gone either way. I’m more concerned with the lack of talent at the top of the defensive depth chart, than who’s at the #9 spot.

Posted by aaron in phoenix from Section 102 on 02/03/17 at 03:00 PM ET

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Posted by aaron in phoenix from Section 102 on 02/03/17 at 02:00 PM ET

I totally agree with you. Everyone is always up in arms about our waivers when the simple fact is any player we waive is incredibly replaceable. Sure Marchy is a solid NHL defensemen, but surely he doesn’t have the upside to be a top 4 let alone top 2 dman. There are an infinite amount of players who could fill this roll solidly and they are available for nothing every single summer. Nobody is trading for someone like him. Every team has a logjam of average solid NHL guys. It’s the high end players that make or break teams and are nearly impossible to get. That is definitely our primary issue. Lets face it, we could lose Jensen, Marchy, and Sproul and simply sign and promote comparable guys next year to fill those spots and we would be NO worse off. This applies to all of the waivers over the last handful of years. We don’t miss any of them and none of them are even close to irreplaceable. So yeah, waiving bottom end guys just doesn’t make my radar as “mistakes”. At this level, these are basically warm bodies.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 02/03/17 at 03:11 PM ET

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Good enough for Team Russia but not this last place team. Unreal.

Posted by easmus on 02/03/17 at 03:23 PM ET

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“Good enough for Team Russia but not this last place team. Unreal.”
Totally agree. Waive KH and JB. Enough of this constant BS

Posted by 1718 on 02/03/17 at 03:30 PM ET

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I guess the big question is why are we drafting, developing and throwing away so many players.
Where is the problem with this sequence, are we bad at drafting or are we bad at developing?

Posted by George0211 on 02/03/17 at 01:49 PM E

Answer: Not really.

The NHL Draft is 7 rounds, teams have 24 roster spots, average NHL career I believe is 5.5 years, but impact players, play anywhere from 5-15 years.  This is a common story and occurence throughout the NHL despite the Holland hatred. Happens all the time.

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Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 02/03/17 at 03:33 PM ET

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They are still decently young, NHL-wise.  You don’t play 20 year-old d-men.  You generally don’t play 22 year-old d-men at the NHL level.  You just don’t.

Incredibly wrong.

We’re 28th out of 30 teams in the NHL.  You know how many of the 27 teams ahead of us are regularly playing defensemen younger than Ouellet? I’m using “younger” here to mean 22 years old or, if 23, part of the 2012 draft class, because Ouellet was in the 2011 class.  I’m not going to play games with guys who’re a week or two younger than him or whatever. 

The answer, counting only guys who’ve appeared in at least 25 games, is 19.  19 of the 27 teams ahead of us.  And it isn’t just one guy on each team—it’s actually 29 guys on 19 teams.  That’s an awful lot—it’s an @ssload—for something that you “just don’t” do. 

Showing my work…

Anaheim (2—Theodore and Lindholm, who turned 23 last month and is a 2012 draftee)
Boston (Carlo)
Buffalo (2—Ristolainen; Jake McCabe’s 23 but younger than Ouellet and a 2012 draftee)
Carolina (3—Hanifin, Pesce, Slavin)
Chicago (Forsling)
Columbus (4—Werenski, Jones, Nuutivaara, and even Murray are all younger than Ouellet)
Dallas (Lindell)
Edmonton (2—Nurse and Benning)
Florida (2—Ekblad and Matheson)
Minnesota (Dumba)
New Jersey (Severson)
New York Rangers (Skjei)
Ottawa (Codi Ceci’s 23, but younger than Ouellet and a 2012 draftee)
Philadelphia (Provorov)
Pittsburgh (Maata)
Tampa (Koekkoek)
Toronto (2—Rielly and Carrick)
Vancouver (2—Tryamkin and Stecher)
Winnipeg (2—Trouba and Morissey)

And for what it’s worth, the two teams behind us in the standings each have a younger guy too—Colorado has Nikita Zadorov, who’s 21, and Arizona has Chychrun, who’s still 18.

Posted by captaineclectic on 02/03/17 at 03:39 PM ET

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Just a note on the age of defensemen.  Most of the studies that looked at peak ages of NHL players found that peak age for defensemen is 26 most often.  So a 23 year old and a 24 year old defenseman still have some time to show us something.  That being said, DDK, Smith, and Jensen are probably showing us all they’ve got to show us at this point.  Marchy is probably close to the best you’re ever going to see him at.  And the jury is still way out there on guys like Hicketts and Saarijarvi.  At 23 it’s still too early to write off Russo.

Posted by BarryKlob on 02/03/17 at 03:45 PM ET

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Now, in fairness to XO, some of those guys suck, and some of them, but certainly not all, are 1st round picks who’re expected to be better than him.

But the idea that XO is fragile caterpillar who will emerge from his cocoon as a glorious butterfly if given enough time is also wrong.  The development path is different for everybody, but really good players are usually good enough to make an impact by now, and XO’s not being that kind of guy is why he was taken in round 2.  The notion that “you just don’t play 22 year olds” in the NHL is warmed over “It’s a man’s league” Ken Holland bullspit.  21 other teams are playing 22 year olds or younger on defense regularly, and 19 of them are better off than Ken’s Klowns.

Posted by captaineclectic on 02/03/17 at 03:47 PM ET

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Has anyone asked why they didn’t waive Smith? I don’t see him getting re-signed, so it’d sting less losing him in a waiver claim.

Posted by BladesOfSteel on 02/03/17 at 03:47 PM ET

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Sproul or Smith should have been waived before Marchy. I don’t understand this organizations obsession with d-men who provide marginal offensive upside who aren’t very good at playing defense. Although I’m glad that XO and Jensen weren’t waived as they both seem to have a good ability to move the puck up the ice with decent defensive skills.

Its also ridiculous that KH couldn’t even get a late round pick for one for one of our dmen before waiving Marchy.

Posted by Shanny_Fan on 02/03/17 at 03:47 PM ET

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Question perfectly stated George 0211, and would say definitely developing. Look at GR,  Blashill was there and for as long as players were there they should be top notch. GR did well because we kept good players there while other teams drew from their wells. Analysis would be that Blashill did well because team as a whole outclassed most other teams not because of Blashill. This is why he is doing terribly now, he doesn’t have the big advantage in the NHL.

Posted by stateofmifan on 02/03/17 at 03:53 PM ET

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Most of the studies that looked at peak ages of NHL players found that peak age for defensemen is 26 most often.  So a 23 year old and a 24 year old defenseman still have some time to show us something. 

But remember that while guys ascend to their peaks, they also descend after peaking.  MAYBE Sproul and Jensen, not very good players at 24 and 26, have another gear, but if they hit it, how long will they stay there?

Jonathan Ericsson is a good example of this.  He was not a very good player.  He was drafted dead last in 2002.  At 21, he was still spending time in third-tier hockey in Sweden.  At 22 he made his AHL debut.  At 23 he had a cup of coffee in the NHL.  At 24 he was a fringe player.  At 25 he became an NHL regular, but wasn’t very good.  At 28 he looked like pretty good player and got a big fat contract.  By 30 he looked real shaky and now at 32 he looks like a fringe NHLer—four years after his peak he looks as bad as he was four years before it. 

Problem is that now he’s an expensive fringe NHLer being paid for his short peak four years ago.

Posted by captaineclectic on 02/03/17 at 03:55 PM ET

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Has anyone asked why they didn’t waive Smith? I don’t see him getting re-signed, so it’d sting less losing him in a waiver claim.

Posted by BladesOfSteel on 02/03/17 at 02:47 PM ET

Oh he will be resigned, if history is any indication with KH

Posted by George0211 on 02/03/17 at 03:58 PM ET

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But remember that while guys ascend to their peaks, they also descend after peaking.  MAYBE Sproul and Jensen, not very good players at 24 and 26, have another gear, but if they hit it, how long will they stay there?

It’s unknowable.  Most likely not long.  On the other hand, how quick do you give up on a player?  I bet the Islanders would have liked a do-over on that whole Zdeno Chara thing.

Posted by BarryKlob on 02/03/17 at 04:00 PM ET

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Oh he will be resigned, if history is any indication with KH

Posted by George0211 on 02/03/17 at 02:58 PM ET

I mean, he’s only 28.  He might still develop into a good player.  He’s #36 in scoring in his draft class and we took him 27th, that’s not so bad.  There were bigger busts taken ahead of him, you know.

Posted by captaineclectic on 02/03/17 at 04:04 PM ET

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