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Red Wings training camp, day 2, post 1 in progress: Samuelsson (groin) absent

Updated 3x at 1:53 PM: Day 2 of the Red Wings' abbreviated training camp is underway, and I'll be updating this post with Tweets and news from said event.

There is some slightly worrisome news at present, as noted by the Detroit News's Ted Kulfan...

The Macomb Daily's Chuck Pleiness:

DetroitRedWings.com's Bill Roose...

And explained by the Free Press's Helene St. James:

Update #0.5:



Update #0.75:

From Pleiness:

Quick update from Day 2 of Red Wings training camp at Compuware Arena.

Forward Mikael Samuelsson is not on the ice dealing with a tender groin.

Forward Darren Helm is also missing and won’t practice Tuesday or take part in the Red and White scrimmage Tuesday night.

There is no timetable on when Helm will be back. Wings general manager Ken Holland said, “It all depends how he feels.”

Forward Pavel Datsyuk is on his way back from Russia.

The forward lines look like this — Zetterberg, Brunner, Mursak; Knuble, Filppula, Franzen; Abdelkader, Bertuzzi, Cleary; Tootoo, Miller, Emmerton with Eaves working in.

Defensemen pairings — Kronwall, Ericsson; Smith, Quincey; White, Kindl; Colaiacovo, Lashoff.

From MLive's Ansar Khan:

Forward Mikael Samuelsson isn't skating today during the second day of Detroit Red Wings training camp due to a sore groin. It is a precautionary move. He is day-to-day.

Center Darren Helm (back, day-to-day)hasn't been on the ice since last Wednesday and won't skate Tuesday, general manager Ken Holland said. This Wednesday is a day off, so the earliest Helm will be back on the ice is Thursday.

"Don't know Helm timetable, all depends how he feels Thursday,'' Holland said.

And yes, as MLive's Brendan Savage is reporting, Sergei Fedorov may or may not make a curtain call with CSKA Moscow. CSKA's witnessed the departures of Datsyuk and Ilya Bryzgalov, they've had Alex Radulov problems, their record is middling, they fired their coach and Russian oil and natural gas giant Rosneft is paying the bills at Vladimir Putin's insistence. CSKA needs some positive PR.

Update #0.8:

Update #1: From the Free Press's St. James:

The rash of groin injuries likely to beset hockey players who have been off during the NHL lockout has begun: The Detroit Red Wings are holding Mikael Samuelsson back from today's practice.

General manager Ken Holland told the Free Press it's a precaution against a tender groin.

The Wings are still without Pavel Datsyuk, who spent the weekend in his native Russia, playing in the KHL's All-Star Game. He is expected to land in Detroit this afternoon and, depending how he feels, might be at camp Tuesday.

The Wings have a Red and White scrimmage scheduled for 6 p.m. Tuesday at Compuware Arena in Plymouth, where they are starting camp while Ford Motor Company occupies Joe Louis Arena in advance of the auto show. It'll be the closest the Wings come to an exhibition during five days of camp, as the lockout-shortened season has nixed the possibility of any preseason games.

That leaves four days to practice and scrimmage in preparation for Saturday's season opener at St. Louis.

Without Datsyuk available, and with forward Darren Helm nursing a sore back, the Wings have had to adjust their lines. Jan Mursak is with Henrik Zetterberg and Damien Brunner. Mike Knuble is in Samuelsson's spot on the second line with Valtteri Filppula and Johan Franzen. Justin Abdelkader has moved a spot from the fourth line to center Daniel Cleary and Todd Bertuzzi, and Cory Emmerton is with Jordin Tootoo and Drew Miller.

The defensive pairings remain Niklas Kronwall with Jonathan Ericsson, Kyle Quincey with Brendan Smith, and Ian White with either Carlo Colaiacovo or Jakub Kindl.

Jimmy Howard and Jonas Gustavsson are manning the nets, with both goalie coach Jim Bedard and goalie mentor Chris Osgood on hand for advice.

Update #1.25:

Update #2: Yay, a Q and A!

And whoops, typo!

Update #2.25:

Update #2.5:

Update #2.75:


Here's another health update from Ted Kulfan, too:

A big issue heading into training camps around the NHL was the health of those players who didn't have regular competition with games overseas.

Could they handle the pace this week of getting ready for the regular season?

The Red Wings are being careful Monday as forward Mikael Samuelsson is being held out of practice. General manager Ken Holland said Samuelsson has a "tender groin" and was being held out as a "precautionary" measure.

Samuelsson joins Darren Helm (back) and Pavel Datsyuk as Red Wings not on the ice. Datsyuk was scheduled to arrive from Russia on Monday, Holland said, and he added it will be determined Tuesday when Datsyuk will go on the ice.

Datsyuk has been playing in the Kontinental Hockey League in Russia and played Saturday in the KHL All-Star Game.

Helm suffered a strained muscle while doing some weightlifting late last week. "When his body says he's ready, he will hit the ice," Holland said.

Helm's availability is considered day to day.

Update #2.8:

Update #2.9:

Update #3: Session over.

Update #3.1:


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Mandingo's avatar

Over/under on number of Wings who miss first game of the season because of groin issues?

I’m saying 3.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 01/14/13 at 02:13 PM ET

Crater's avatar

Could definitely be a Dallas Drake or Mark Recchi type player.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 01/14/13 at 01:13 PM ET

OR, he could be a Modano type player. There is a reason he is at a camp tryout. Just saying, lets not bet the farm.

Posted by Crater from SoCal on 01/14/13 at 02:41 PM ET

WingedRider's avatar

SaMULEsson hurt no surprise here. Sammy and Mule are going to test my patience all season I fear.

ShitBox on the number 1 d pairing is sort of funny now but once the season starts, Yikes!

Bring up Nyquist, please!  Right Babs

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 01/14/13 at 03:53 PM ET

wedge56's avatar

Samuelsson out already with that groin?  Are you kidding me?

Posted by wedge56 on 01/14/13 at 11:20 PM ET

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