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Red Wings trade deadline report: ‘We’re trying to rebuild, reload’ and ‘We’re going with the kids’

The Detroit Red Wings boarded Red Bird III and headed to Phoenix after a team-signature "spirited but brief" practice at Joe Louis Arena, preparing for back-to-back games against the Coyotes on Thursday and Avs on Friday.

The only people taking connecting flights to Phoenix to join the team were Brian Lashoff, who the team recallled after he played in the Grand Rapids Griffins' 5-1 win over Houston, and GM Ken Holland.

The Wings signed goalie Jared Coreau and, per Ansar Khan, demoted Joakim Andersson, Danny DeKeyser and Gustav Nyquist to Grand Rapids "on paper" so that the trio were eligible to play for the Griffins in the AHL playoffs if necessary, but other than that, the team made no trade deadline additions, and both Wings coach Mike Babcock and Holland told the Free Press's Helene St. James that they were okay with not making a move:

Or, in text form, from St. James...

"There were a couple of players we had interest in," general manager Ken Holland said. "Didn't get it done. We made offers. At the end of the day, maybe somebody likes somebody else's players better."

Players in whom the Wings had interest, such as defenseman Jay Bouwmeester, and by whom they were intrigued, such as Jaromir Jagr, went for way above what the Wings deemed reasonable -- Bouwmeester, especially. The St. Louis Blues gave a first-round pick to Calgary in return for Bouwmeester, and the Wings weren't relinquishing that for anybody. Not this year, not after using their 2012 first-rounder to acquire Kyle Quincey.

"We haven't had a top-10 pick since 1993," Holland said. "We traded eight or nine first-round picks from 1995 to 2003. Those players are in the NHL. They were picked by somebody, and those players are in the NHL. Since '05, for the most part, we've tried to be conservative. I think it's part of the reason why we've got some younger players on the roster, some younger players coming through the system."

Holland was only looking to add an impact skater, such as Bouwmeester or Jagr, who went from Dallas to Boston.

"We didn't need depth players," he said. "We've got lots of depth. We've got lots of kids we think can come up and play. We were looking for a top-four D-man; we were looking for a top-six forward. Ultimately, we didn't get it done."

Part of what influenced the Wings was the belief that no trade could be better than getting back even just some of their players currently injured: forwards Darren Helm, Todd Bertuzzi and Mikael Samuelsson, and Quincey.

"Hopefully, we get some of our injured players back," Holland said. "In the meantime, there's been real good opportunity for our kids. I think they've done a good job."

The Macomb Daily's Chuck Pleiness...

The Wings liked a number of players dealt before the deadline, including forwards Jaromir Jagr and Jason Pominville and defenseman Jay Bouwmeester. They made what they felt were good offers, but the players were dealt elsewhere – Jagr to Boston; Pominville to Minnesota and Bouwmeester to St. Louis.

“That’s not my call,” Holland said when asked if he felt they were close on any of them. “That’s someone else making that decision. We made offers to two or three players. We didn’t need depth players. We have lots of depth. We have kids that we think can come up and play. We were looking for a top four (defenseman). We were looking for a top six forward. Ultimately we didn’t get it done, but someone else makes those decisions.”

Detroit didn’t have any interest in Marian Gaborik, who was dealt by the New York Rangers to Columbus. Gaborik will make $7.5 million next season.

“When you really analyze those trades and put it to Detroit, we were making those trades six or seven years ago and other teams weren’t making those trades,” Holland said. “You’ve got to look at your moment in time and find out if the trade fits, do you have the assets, is it worth it? We’re trying to compete. We’re on the bubble. Would I have liked to do a deal? Yeah, I would have liked to do a deal. We made some offers, but we weren’t looking for anything for depth. We would have liked to have put an extra top six forward or an extra top (four) defenseman. When you look at what transpired, you can figure out who we would have had some interest in, but at the end of the day, we didn’t get it done for a whole host of reasons.”

The Wings are banking on getting their injured players back and the further development of their prospects, who have filled in and have them in a playoff spot heading into play Wednesday.

“From a depth standpoint, we have young kids that have played,” Holland said. “We’re going to go with the kids. If we need forwards, Riley Sheahan deserves a chance, Landon Ferraro, we’ve got Tomas Tatar, Gustav Nyquist, Joakim Andersson, Damien Brunner, certainly on defense with the signing of Danny DeKeyser and the play of (Brian) Lashoff and (Jakub) Kindl we think the young kids could be real good depth players for us.”

One thing Detroit was unwilling to part with was a first-round draft pick.

“We haven’t had a top 10 pick since 1993,” Holland said. “We traded eight or nine first round picks from 1995 to 2003; those players are in the NHL. They were picked by other teams and they’re playing in the NHL. I think since ’05 for the most part we’ve tried to be conservative and I think that’s part of the reason why we’ve got some young players on the roster and some others coming through the system.”

MLive's Ansar Khan...

“We played (Monday) and there wasn’t (Henrik) Zetterberg, Samuelsson, Bertuzzi, Helm, (Kyle) Quincey,'' Holland said. “If we can get those five guys in the lineup (within) two weeks, I couldn’t do any better moves than (that). And if they don’t come back, it probably doesn’t matter what moves you make.''

...

“We’re trying to compete, we’re trying to rebuild, reload,'' Holland said. “You look at the moment in time. I can’t look at the moment in time. I have to look at what we’ve got and where I think we can go over the next few years, the age of the roster, who’s going to be here for a while.''

....

“You need your players,'' Holland said. “We’re happy with Jakub Kindl, we’re happy with Brian Lashoff, we’re happy with Brendan Smith. We’re happy with the way the kids have played. We don’t want to trade them away.''

Young players have improved the organization's depth.

“If we need forwards, Riley Sheahan deserves a chance, Landon Ferraro, we’ve got Tomas Tatar, Gustav Nyquist, Joakim Andersson, Damien Brunner, certainly on defense with the signing of Danny DeKeyser and the play of Lashoff and Kindl we think the young kids could be real good depth players for us.''

Chicago and Anaheim have separated from the pack in the Western Conference. The Red Wings, currently seventh with 41 points, are just three points behind No. 3 Minnesota. But, they're also just four points up on 11th place Columbus.

“We’re trying to compete. We’re on the bubble,'' Holland said. “Would I have liked to do a deal? Yeah, I would have liked to do a deal.''

Twice...

“Getting some guys back, some new, fresh blood in, that’s the same as getting a player from another team,'' captain Henrik Zetterberg said. “I think we have a good squad in here and looking forward to the postseason. All of those (playoff) teams can go all of the way, especially on the Western side. You’ve got to make the playoffs, and when the playoffs start everyone starts over.”

Said general manager Ken Holland: “The regular season, it’s meaningful in the sense that you need to be in the top eight. But I think when the playoffs start, you can throw all the statistics in the garbage.''

Goaltender Jimmy Howard said the team is “sitting good. There's a lot of areas in our game where I think we can get better -- not turning pucks over and maybe having that focus a little better, but we're working at it and every day we've gotten a little better,'' Howard said. “We haven't even had a full game with everyone playing, so I think just getting some guys back healthy would be a great addition for us.''

Babcock said he has seen much improvement and expects better things.

“I’ve been really impressed with our leadership, Hank and Pav (Datsyuk) and Kronner (Niklas Kronwall) have really been awesome,'' Babcock said. “I think Mule (Johan Franzen) has really stepped up in that department, which is important for us.''

Injuries have forced them to rely more on younger players like defenseman Brian Lashoff and forward Joakim Andersson, who've played a majority of the games, and as well as Gustav Nyquist and Tomas Tatar, who've been back and forth from Grand Rapids.

“This year has been invigorating for me because there are so many kids and every day there are so many projects,'' Babcock said. “There’s way more individual video, way more meetings to help kids get better quickly. Our strength coach (Pete Renzetti) has done a fantastic job this year and it’s all been a part of us getting better.''

The Detroit News's Ted Kulfan...

"Absolutely, 100 percent," said Babcock, when asked if he'd be comfortable with his roster going forward. "I've never felt like we were going to do anything (trades), to be honest with you. I kind of like what we have going and the direction we're going. We think we have kids that are really coming and we're trying to figure out which are the best kids to help us be successful. We have a few more kids in the minors — in particular (center Riley) Sheahan — I'd like to take a look at as well, and we're just going to keep doing what we can as players and coaches."

Forward Henrik Zetterberg (groin) said he's expecting to play Thursday night in Phoenix after missing two games.

Defenseman Kyle Quincey (fractured cheekbone) is tentatively scheduled to play Friday in Colorado, Babcock said. Forwards Todd Bertuzzi (back, could return in a week) and Mikael Samuelsson (upper body, day to day) are expected to return soon. They've played in 11 games combined this season.

"All year we've had so many injuries, and getting some guys back, that's new bodies, new fresh blood and the same as getting players from other teams," Zetterberg said. "We have a good squad in here and looking forward to the playoffs."

As for his own physical condition, Zetterberg completed the entire practice Wednesday.

"I'm feeling better; it was nice to be skating again," said Zetterberg, who was optimistic he'll play Thursday. "We had a couple of good days of treatment and hoping to feel good today and that was achieved."

And in the slightly panicky variety, Fox Sports Detroit's Art Regner, who essentially says what Holland said to Khan--THIS...IS...REBUILDING, Red Wings style!

The Wings aren't in a position to give up on any young players, draft picks or unproven prospects because their current roster needs an overhaul.

Since most teams are locking up their star players to long-term deals, free agency will not be the elixir for the Wings or anybody else, either. In short, the NHL has morphed into a league where the draft is the way to build your team’s foundation for success.
  
The Wings were successful in drafting some diamonds in the rough in the past, but those days are long gone. The talent pool is spread out all over the league because of advances in scouting and the salary cap. Worse yet for the Wings, their best players are either getting old, still refining their NHL games (i.e. Brendan Smith and Gustav Nyquist) or developing in various leagues throughout the world. 

Smith and Nyquist aren't going anywhere, and they're likely the players most teams would demand if the Wings wanted to pull the trigger on a blockbuster deal. That's why they're in rebuild mode. The NHL is a league of parity now.

There are some teams that have a stockpile of talent or a slew of draft picks and can circumvent the system to a point; however, most of those teams (i.e. Chicago and Pittsburgh) bottomed out at some point, drafted high and hired terrific front-office personnel.
   
The Wings have been on an amazing run for so long, they were able sustain their excellence only through deep pockets, astute drafting and a winning tradition -- which attracted star veterans who wanted one last kick at the championship can.

Today, the Wings need to hold onto their young talent and hope they're the bedrock of a solid foundation -- one that will maintain their standing as a playoff team.

I know that Yahoo Sports' Greg "Puck Daddy" Wyshynski gave the Wings an "F" in his trade deadline report card feature.

But I've been saying that this is as close to a rebuilding year as Wings will ever subject fans who they charge $135-185+ to sit on the glass at Joe Louis Arena are ever going to see, and I've been saying that since it was evident that the injuries to the players the Wings hoped would smooth the post-Nicklas Lidstrom transitional year through veteran savvy--i.e. Mikael Samuelsson, Carlo Colaiacovo, Jonas Gustavsson, and of course Todd Bertuzzi and Darren Helm--resulted in a blueline by committee (Colaiacovo's return = 2 blueliners out of 9 who are over 30) and two thirds of a third line's worth of Grand Rapids Griffins call-ups on an almost-every-other-night basis.

At some point during this season, the Wings' coaches and management decided to see what the "kids" have before hoping to convert their cap space going into this summer--especially given the fact that players like Ian White, Colaiacovo, Samuelsson, Danny Cleary and even Drew Miller, Cory Emmerton and maybe Patrick Eaves have become somewhat redundant--into finding the top-pair defenseman and top-six forward with size and goal-scoring ability they need when teams have to buy out players to get under this summer's lowering salary cap.

Do I agree with the team's decision?

Not necessarily. I sure as hell would've liked to at least see a Drew Stafford on the wing or a Mark Streit on defense. But I don't run the team, and as the Windsor Star's Bob Duff so wisely noted on Twitter:

No, not at all.

I don't know what's going to happen to Valtteri Filppula, but he told the Macomb Daily's Chuck Pleiness that he wants to stay with the Wings, too. If he wants $5 million, however, the Wings will ship his rights to someone else at the Entry Draft.

Otherwise, Duff suggests that Wings fans who want to march on Holland's house in the northwestern Metro Detroit suburbs with pitchforks and torches are a little off the mark...

Ken Holland owns more Stanley Cup rings that any other current NHL general manager. Yet today, many among the most spoiled fan base in hockey believe him to be a fool. In truth, he’s simply not a man interested in fool’s gold.

“Would I have liked to do a deal? Yeah, I would have liked to do a deal,” Holland said as the NHL trade deadline concluded without Detroit dealing. “We made offers on two or three players. We would have liked to have put an extra top six forward or an extra top four defenceman into our lineup. When you look at what transpired, you can figure out who we would have had some interest in, but at the end of the day, we didn’t get it done for a whole host of reasons.”

After mentioning those trades...

“When you really analyze those trades and put it to Detroit, you’ve got to look at your moment in time and find out if the trade fits, do you have the assets, is it worth it?” Holland explained.

Back when the Wings didn’t think twice about shipping a prospect or a first-round pick away, it was because players such as Steve Yzerman and Nicklas Lidstrom were in the prime of their careers. Holland doesn’t have that luxury now. Pavel Datsyuk is 35 and hinting he might return to Russia in 20o14 when his contract expires. Captain Henrik Zetterberg is 33.

Last season, Holland knew Lidstrom was going and Brad Stuart was gone after the season, so he spent a first rounder on Kyle Quincey to bolster what was about to become a thin blue-line. Holland doesn’t want to become a Colorado or Edmonton, once-mighty franchises that sunk to the bottom of the standings. He recognizes that Detroit fans wouldn’t stand for that.

Ahem:

“We’re trying to compete, we’re trying to rebuild, reload, whatever you want to talk about it,” Holland said, seemingly speaking directly to the fans. "You look at the moment in time. I can’t look at the moment in time. I have to look at what we’ve got and where I think we can go over the next few years.”

Five regulars – Zetterberg, Quincey, Todd Bertuzzi, Darren Helm and Mikael Samuelsson – were out of the lineup Monday when Detroit beat Colorado.

“If we can get those five guys in the lineup in two weeks, I couldn’t do any better moves than getting those five guys back,” Holland said. “And if they don’t come back, it probably doesn’t matter what moves you make.”

Holland could have sold the farm in pursuit of the elusive dream, and in a few years’ time when Detroit was a bottom feeder, the same people calling for his head today for not making a deal would be calling for his head due to the deals that he’d done.

As Mike Babcock likes to say, "That's the facts."

It doesn't mean that you have to like what the Wings didn't do--you can despise the team's lack of moves, that's fine, there are no points off your Red Wings fandom for faith with doubts or the belief that blind faith is a dangerous thing.

You don't have to agree with or like the Wings' coaches or management to love your team. Dissent is part of the bargain, and Babcock and the coaches and Holland and the management--remember, we're talking about a team consisting of Holland, Jim Nill, Ryan Martin, Kris Draper, Mark Howe, Kirk Maltby and the pro scouts, Joe McDonnell, Hakan Andersson and the amateur scouts, Jiri Fischer, Chris Chelios, Chris Osgood, Jim Bedard, Babcock, Bill Peters, Tom Renney and Keith McKittrick, and on the ownership front, input from Jimmy Devellano, Chris Ilitch and Mr. I himself--all have jobs whose descriptions involve accepting that you might be pissed off at their off-ice and on-ice decisions.

So, as Holland told DetroitRedWings.com's Bill Roose, "We're going to go with the kids":

Are you surprised to still be in the playoff hunt despite the number of injuries this season?

“I’m not like all the media is. I think our players are better than what people give them credit for. I think that our goaltending has been real good. We had a bad outing against Chicago, but up until then we were eighth in the league in goals against. I think now we’re 10th or 11th. Anytime you’re in the top third of the league when we’ve got a lot of kids on defense and a lot of injuries up front. But we’ve got some good stories up front.

“Hopefully we get some of our injured players back. In the meantime, there’s been real opportunity for our kids and I think they’ve done a good job.

“Tomas Tatar was only really sent down because we wanted to give Gustav Nyquist a chance. He had seven points in 18 games. You start putting that over 80 games and you get 30-35 points. The best rookies don’t do a whole lot more than 30-35 points. Gustav Nyquist has led the American League in scoring. We could go out and acquire some veterans, but these kids need to play. They are the elite players in the American Hockey League.”

Are you worried about what other teams did?

“Not at all. You have to look over the last 10 years at what teams have got. The age of their best players. The position they are (in) for the next five or six years. We’re trying to compete, we’re trying to rebuild, reload, whatever you want to talk about it. You look at the moment in time. I can’t look at the moment in time. I have to look at what we’ve got and where I think we can go over the next few years. The age of the rosters? Who’s going to be here for a while? And at the end of the day, we think, we hope. … We played the other day and there wasn’t (Henrik) Zetterberg, there wasn’t (Mikael) Samuelsson, there wasn’t (Todd) Bertuzzi, there wasn’t (Darren) Helm, there wasn’t (Kyle) Quincey. If we can get those five guys in the lineup in two weeks, I couldn’t do any better moves than getting those five guys back in the lineup. And if they don’t come back, it probably doesn’t matter what moves you make. You need your players. We think they’re going to come back. I think that, Mike Babcock thinks that. We’re happy with Jakub Kindl, we’re happy with Brian Lashoff, we’re happy with Brendan Smith. We’re happy with the way the kids have played. We don’t want to trade them away.”

Is it tougher to find a fit with all of the parity in the league?

“I don’t know about that. There were 8-9 trades today. There was 15-17 over the last few days. There were four or five big ones, but you have to really analyze them. When you really analyze those trades and you put it to Detroit, we were making those trades six or seven years ago. Other teams weren’t making those trades. You’ve got to look at your moment in time and find out if the trade fits, do you have the assets, is it worth it? We’re trying to compete. We’re on the bubble. Would I have liked to do a deal? Yeah, I would have liked to do a deal. We made some offers, but again we weren’t looking for anything for depth. We don’t need depth defensemen. I traded Kent Huskins away. We don’t need any depth forwards. We would have liked to have put an extra top six forward and an extra top four defenseman. When you look at what transpired, you can figure out who we would have had some interest in, but at the end of the day, we didn’t get it done for a whole host of reasons.”

Can you talk about the state of the Western Conference and how two teams really have separated themselves?

“The regular-season means nothing to me. If the regular-season meant anything, we would have beaten Edmonton in 2006. I think we were 30-35 points ahead of Edmonton in 2006 with 126 points. We were the first seed, Edmonton was the eighth seed, they got a hot goalie and they knocked us out. I’ve watched both ends of the spectrum. I think the regular-season, it’s meaningful in the sense that you need to be in the top eight. But I think when the playoffs start on the first of May, I think you can throw all the statistics out in the garbage. That’s what history says since 2005. I look at it today, we’re three points out of opening at home and we’re four points out of not being part of the tournament. We’re right in the middle. We’ve got 12 games to go, seven on the road. We’ve got to win some hockey games.”

The Wings are 18-13-and-5--essentially .500--going into a 3-games-in-4-nights slate against Phoenix, Colorado and then St. Louis.

The team will receive three days off after Sunday's matinee game against the Blues, will host the Sharks on Thursday the 11th, and then head on the road, playing at Chicago on Friday the 12th, at Nashville on Sunday the 14th, at Calgary on Wednesday the 17th and at Vancouver on Saturday the 20th.

Then the Wings head home for a rough-and-tumble last week of the schedule, hosting Phoenix on the 22nd, hosting LA on the 24th and Nashville on the 25th, and, if all goes well, the team will head into its final game on Saturday the 27th knowing that it will play on into May, with a 1st round series slated to start on Tuesday, April 30th or Wednesday, May 1st.

I'm hoping that the Wings tangle with the Ducks, because the Ducks have proved beatable, and the Hawks can't lose at the Joe, and I plain old want the Wings to avoid the Canucks if at all possible due to travel. All of that assumes a 5-6-7-8 finish, and as the Hawks are running away with the Central Division, the Wings can't finish higher than 4th in the West.

So it is.

You don't have to like it, but this is a rebuilding year.

As the Detroit News's Gregg Krupa wisely noted, it might not be the only one:

I don't believe in tearing down the machine, and from every conversation I've had with Wings management, they don't, either. They worry that a full tear-down could mean making bad drafting decisions (see: Patrik Stefan) or players not developing due to other circumstances (see: the Mark Bell-Tyler Arnason-Kyle Calder era in Chicago), and they don't want to take your money and deliver an absolutely dreadful product, in no small part due to the fact that Metro Detroit is awash in hockey programs that offer bang for the buck (see: the Whalers, Spitfires, Wolverines, the U.S. National Team Development Program, Little Caesars, Belle Tire, Detroit Honeybaked and Compuware's youth programs, etc.) and, in many instances, more player access (cough).

But this is the Red Wings' version of rebuilding, and the Wings' coaches and management believe that they'll see the process through and emerge with a stronger--and younger, bigger and slightly nastier but no less skilled--organization as a result.

You and I don't have to like it, but we're gonna have to find a way to live with it, and if at all possible, make peace with it.

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gt500x's avatar

Hmmmm…

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2013/04/return_of_carlo_colaiacovo_cre.html

“He’s got to get in here and grab his piece,’’ coach Mike Babcock said. “At this time of the year, we’re not in the business of trying people out.”

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2013/04/red_wings_coach_mike_babcock_c_1.html

“I never ever felt like we were going to do anything, to be honest with you,’’ Babcock said. “Kind of like what we’ve got going and the direction we’re heading. We’ve got some kids that are really coming. We’re trying to figure out which kids will help us be successful. There are a few more kids in the minors, particularly (Riley) Sheahan I’d like to have a look at as well.’‘

The Red Wings (18-13-5) are in the thick of the playoff race. They could finish as high as fourth in the Western Conference, or they could miss the postseason for the first time since 1990.

To quote the great Tony Stark, “Excuse me, what were you lying?”

Posted by gt500x on 04/03/13 at 10:37 PM ET

Chet's avatar

i don’t care that they didn’t make any big acquisitions. that logic makes sense. but why not try to move some pending UFAs and/or other so called redundant players?

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 04/03/13 at 10:56 PM ET

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“We’re trying to compete. We’re on the bubble,’’ Holland said. “Would I have liked to do a deal? Yeah, I would have liked to do a deal.’‘

So no interest in Filpulla or White at all?  Or just too scared to get ripped up in the press for trading players and going out in the first round again?

You don’t have to like it, but this is a rebuilding year.

I’ve no problem with that at all but as others have pointed out the Wings extended Bertuzzi and signed Samuelsson and Colaiacovo to ridiculous contracts.  The only reason Lashoff, Tatar, Andersson and Nyquist have seen significant time is because of the injury situation.  This was clear not Holland’s plan at the beginning of the season.

Posted by Django on 04/03/13 at 10:58 PM ET

George Malik's avatar

The plan changed. I made sure to state that.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/03/13 at 11:05 PM ET

Chet's avatar

it seems the plan’s only half changed, though, since there’s now a glut of useless or at least questionable veterans still around.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 04/03/13 at 11:16 PM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

“From a depth standpoint, we have young kids that have played,” Holland said. “We’re going to go with the kids.”

And the rest of that statement should read: “But, of course, they’ll have to earn their spot next year because Bert’s got another year and I’ll be giving Cleary and Filppula ridiculous contracts this June.”

I don’t have any problem with Holland holding on to “the kids” and his #1 pick instead of giving away the store for a guy like Pominville. In fact, he’d have been lynched if he’d given up anything close to Mrazek & Tatar plus a 1st & a 2nd round pick for the guy.

But what I do have a problem with is him saying the Wings are going with the kids and then only doing so because the over-paid, under-talented vets he signed were injured.

If there really is a “culture” change taking place in Detroit, and the “dead celebrities tour” era really is over, then hooray. But I’ll believe it when I see it. And the first real indicator will be what he does regarding Cleary and Filppula once the season is over.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 04/03/13 at 11:19 PM ET

George Malik's avatar

Honestly:

We’re at the point where I genuinely don’t understand why some Wings fans’re Wings fans. If you despise the orgnaization so much, why watch? I get it. People are upset about the lack of trades. So am I. But I don’t seethe with anger because of it. Do I think that the Wings could’ve done WAY better? Yes. Is my faith in the team blind? Hell no! But at the end of the day I support ‘em.

Dissent with a sports team’s on-and-off-ice desisions is normal. Foaming at the mouth fury for two-plus months…is starting to get weird.

The Wings’ “veteran-smoothed” transition plans changed to “going with the kids” due to injuries. But it happens. It’s not indefensible. We’re getting to the point where it sounds like some fans are absolutely torturing themselves by forcing themselves to watch the Wings play. That part, I don’t understand. If you hate the team, why are you watching it? There’s all sorts of other stuff to spend your time *enjoying.*

Disappointment, discontent, I get. But this self-and-other-flagellation is bizarre.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/03/13 at 11:25 PM ET

gt500x's avatar

The draft is the closest thing to a real youth movement we’re going to get.  I swear Holland won’t be able to resist packing on more veteran presences with the holes that might open up, and if you can’t beat out one of those veterans in training camp you ain’t making the team.

From one of the linked articles:

Said general manager Ken Holland: “[W]hen the playoffs start, you can throw all the statistics in the garbage.’’

With that attitude he might as well have sold the UFAs since buyers were clearly overpaying today.  If stats don’t matter, why cling to UFAs that you won’t re-sign?  The same teams that you can hardly beat for a playoff spot might be the teams that you can hardly beat IN the playoffs.

Posted by gt500x on 04/03/13 at 11:26 PM ET

gt500x's avatar

Honestly:

We’re at the point where I genuinely don’t understand why some Wings fans’re Wings fans. If you despise the orgnaization so much, why watch? I get it. People are upset about the lack of trades. So am I. But I don’t seethe with anger because of it. Do I think that the Wings could’ve done WAY better? Yes. Is my faith in the team blind? Hell no! But at the end of the day I support ‘em.

Dissent with a sports team’s on-and-off-ice desisions is normal. Foaming at the mouth fury for two-plus months…is starting to get weird.

The Wings’ “veteran-smoothed” transition plans changed to “going with the kids” due to injuries. But it happens. It’s not indefensible. We’re getting to the point where it sounds like some fans are absolutely torturing themselves by forcing themselves to watch the Wings play. That part, I don’t understand. If you hate the team, why are you watching it? There’s all sorts of other stuff to spend your time *enjoying.*

Disappointment, discontent, I get. But this self-and-other-flagellation is bizarre.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/04/13 at 12:25 AM ET

The same reason people bitch about the condition Detroit is in and yet never move away—We love it and want to see it do better.  I envy the people that are happy with the stuff that the Wings’ people are feeding us right now.  I love my team but I’m not going to nod and smile at everything they try to slip by me.  We’re investing in this team after all, aren’t we?

 

Posted by gt500x on 04/03/13 at 11:33 PM ET

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Frustration, I get. Aggravation, I get. Whipping yourself with a thorny branch because that’s what you think being a sports fan is, I don’t.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/03/13 at 11:37 PM ET

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My apologies for missing that. 

The best thing that has come out of this season is Brunner and the significant ice time seen by the younger GR guys.  I don’t have a problem with the team rebuilding and other than Pomminville, I don’t think any of the players moved today would have been a really good fit for Detroit.  But if that’s the direction Detroit is going to move in, then by all means move in that direction.  Keeping Filpulla means that Holland is going to try and resign him along with Howard and Brunner.  Honestly, I don’t think he is worth the money he is going to look for and his play this season demonstrates that.  He should have been moved for draft picks or prospects given the return Dallas and San Jose saw for Roy and Clowe.  White should have been for whatever they could get for him as he clearly has no place in Detroit after the season ends.  God help this team if Cleary is resigned next season.

This is a straight up mediocre hockey team.  They are close enough if they are smart and play their cards right they can be in a position to have a legitimate shot at the cup in 2 to 3 years.  They could also easily slip into a situation like Calgary is now or Toronto or the Rangers were in the 90s where they hung on too long and become a really bad team handicap by bad contracts and panic moves.  Samuelsson for 6M over two years, Tootoo for 6M over three years (his play aside) and Colaiacovo for nearly 4M over two years are indicative of the latter position.

All in all I’m only really only complaining about two players and one missed trade, but by God if you are going to rebuild, rebuild.  If you are going to retool, retool.  Standing pat with this roster is not a realistic answer this season.

Posted by Django on 04/03/13 at 11:44 PM ET

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Frustration, I get. Aggravation, I get. Whipping yourself with a thorny branch because that’s what you think being a sports fan is, I don’t.

Who in this post is doing that, George? Quite frankly, I don’t see it.

But maybe I’ve been “self-flagellating” so much I really have gone blind. smile

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 04/03/13 at 11:44 PM ET

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what “Foaming at the mouth fury for two-plus months” and “self-and-other-flagellation” are you talking about?

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 04/03/13 at 11:45 PM ET

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Honestly:

We’re at the point where I genuinely don’t understand why some Wings fans’re Wings fans. If you despise the orgnaization so much, why watch?

I some what taken aback by comments like this.  I grew up during the dead Wings era,  God help me I still watch the Lions.  When I lived in Rochester I couldn’t help but develop a weird fascination with the Sabres, and this was when they just traded traded Hasek for Kozlov and twine.  I support the local team because they are woven into the fabric of the local community. 

However, if being a fan equals blind loyalty with team to the point where you can’t even vent on a message board then we are so far removed from each other that this conversation is probably pointless.

I suspect (and hope) that you are reading a level of vitriol in these posts that doesn’t really exists, and only appears because they are forum posts and not in person conversations.

Posted by Django on 04/03/13 at 11:56 PM ET

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I suspect (and hope) that you are reading a level of vitriol in these posts that doesn’t really exists, and only appears because they are forum posts and not in person conversations.

Posted by Django on 04/04/13 at 12:56 AM ET


very well said. it’s also possible GM hasn’t slept more than a few hours a night since the weekend.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 04/04/13 at 12:00 AM ET

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There might be alittle more punch than kool-aid in my cup.  ^__-

Posted by gt500x on 04/04/13 at 12:00 AM ET

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Puck Daddy (whom, to be fair, hates the Red Wings) graded our trade-deadline an “F”.  I disagree, after all, we did sign the DeKeyser kid, that goalie kid and got a 7th for poor old Ken Huskins.  I’d say D.  DeKeyser might earn some extra credit with solid play (if he plays) and work that up to a solid D+.

Mr. Malik, try reading these posts with a calmer voice in your head and maybe you’ll see that we’re not flogging ourselves with thorny branches (and who does that? That’s just silly), but voicing our concerns with what we see as a sitting-on-our-thumbs-as-the-world-passes-by approach by the organization. 

I’ve loved the Wings for nearly 30 years now (heck, I made sure my wedding date was to take place AFTER the Play-offs..just in case) and this is the first time I’ve ever felt truly frustrated with the brass. I think the majority of your readers/posters have had some moments of a pillow-punching level of rage over the last few weeks, but as a whole, it’s mostly just the shaking of heads and burrowing our faces into our palms.  I don’t see/read anyone crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war towards Kenny & Friends. As part of the Red Wings extended family, we have standards to which we expect to see our organization adhere (and there is nothing wrong with that) and many of us feel like we are not producing at those levels. Our discontent is a byproduct of our passion to see our brothers in the Winged Wheel (and affiliated suits) succeed at the elite level we know they can, nay, Should exist in, game in and game out. We’re the Detroit Red Wings, gosh darn it!

Also keep in mind, our collective Grumpy Setting started this season a little higher than most seasons. After all, we were denied several months of hockey due to Gary Bettman’s Super Extended Family Fun Time, so our tolerance for merely Average was already running a little thin.  So, I guess you can blame Bettman for all of this…

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 04/04/13 at 12:13 AM ET

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can’t all be the perfect cheer-leader you are George.  Please teach me how to be a “good” fan.

Didn’t realize we had root for them the right way.  Especial the Dead Things era fans here…

You’ve gone lately from bringing the facts and setting the stage for the discussion, as you’ve said in the past, to trying to tell us why we’re wrong and ask us why we’re even here. 

That’s interesting.

Needless to say though, message recieved.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/04/13 at 01:24 AM ET

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I don’t think we should be so quick to judge the management as failures for not making the trades we think they should pull off. Prices are extremely high in trades and on the free agent market, and just because one team got a player for a certain price doesn’t mean Detroit gets the same price. First of all, it’s impossible to pay the same price for a player since different teams have different picks and different players and different prospects. Second, being in the same division or the same conference or possibly in the same conference next year makes prices different for different teams. Detroit’s prices are probably higher for all west conference teams and for any team that’s in the same conference next year, which is all but about eight teams. Third, Detroit has to value its prospects higher than other teams do because the high end talent on the team is getting old (Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall). Nobody that good is available right now.
There were only a few higher end talents available: Jagr, Erat, Pominville, Bouwmeester, Gaborik and Iginla. Jagr and Iginla are too old to give up picks and prospects. Erat, Pominville and Gaborik are not that old, but it’s hard to imagine Nashville would ever trade within the division or that they even contacted Detroit while they were keeping the fact that Erat was available on the down low, Gaborik is streaky and Detroit wasn’t interested, never mind his ridiculous cap hit and Pominville had a ridiculous asking price: Mrazek, Tatar, a first and second round pick. Buffalo is supposed to be in Detroit’s division next year. Bouwmeester had a high price too for someone who has never played in the playoffs and of course also has a ridiculous cap hit.
The fact that Detroit got into this situation, with its top talent getting old with no sure replacements can possibly be blamed on management, but I don’t see it as a total failure either. After the lockout, parity changed things fast and because Detroit didn’t have high picks, draft decisions didn’t play out until four or five or six years after each draft. You can’t expect those decisions to be perfectly in line with the needs of the team today. The asking prices for free agents is ridiculously high now with so few good free agents and with so few it’s extremely easy to strike out on them. When Lidstrom, Stuart and Rafalski left in such a short time, there’s less allure to being in Detroit and Detroit can’t offer unlimited money. Whether or not Detroit is a nice place to live, it’s certainly not the flashiest place.

Posted by EDJ on 04/04/13 at 02:07 AM ET

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Wyshynski is so stupid. We “whiffed” on Bouwmeester because we didn’t want to overpay ridiculously?

Posted by stayouttamalibu from California on 04/04/13 at 02:16 AM ET

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Frustration, I get. Aggravation, I get. Whipping yourself with a thorny branch because that’s what you think being a sports fan is, I don’t.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/04/13 at 12:37 AM ET

In support of what George is getting at here, just remember: this year we acquired Brunner, DeKeyser and Coreau. We also saw Brendan Smith become a regular, and both Tatar and Nyquist getting semi-regular ice time. As well, Jarnkrok is (was?) over in GR getting comfy in North America, Pulkkinen continues to develop, Mrazek is a future star and on D Ouellet and Sproul continue to develop into the studs we hoped they would. That doesn’t even include Jurco’s first year as a pro.

Guys, we’re fine. There is clearly a plan here that involves a) youth; and b) high-end skill. THIS is exactly what this team needs, not some veterans.

Posted by BrendonR on 04/04/13 at 05:42 AM ET

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Well, “standing Pat” again at the trade deadline only makes sense if Kenny can land top pairing defenseman this summer. Getting tired of watching the Blues and Wild vastly improve and especially the hated penguins via trades.

I hope Kenny signs a few very good players this summer but if he ends up just resigning Filppula with an overpaid contract and misses out on landing a quality scoring winger and or top defenseman then I be pissed.

I get it, for now this season just let the “kids” play. We gotta see what we got.

Let’s face it, our Wings at best are going to be underdog spoilers in the playoffs if they even limp in.

Posted by Slumpy from Detroit on 04/04/13 at 06:11 AM ET

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Puck Daddy (whom, to be fair, hates the Red Wings) graded our trade-deadline an “F”.  I disagree, after all, we did sign the DeKeyser kid, that goalie kid and got a 7th for poor old Ken Huskins.  I’d say D.  DeKeyser might earn some extra credit with solid play (if he plays) and work that up to a solid D+.
Mr. Malik, try reading these posts with a calmer voice in your head and maybe you’ll see that we’re not flogging ourselves with thorny branches (and who does that? That’s just silly), but voicing our concerns with what we see as a sitting-on-our-thumbs-as-the-world-passes-by approach by the organization. 
I’ve loved the Wings for nearly 30 years now (heck, I made sure my wedding date was to take place AFTER the Play-offs..just in case) and this is the first time I’ve ever felt truly frustrated with the brass. I think the majority of your readers/posters have had some moments of a pillow-punching level of rage over the last few weeks, but as a whole, it’s mostly just the shaking of heads and burrowing our faces into our palms.  I don’t see/read anyone crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war towards Kenny & Friends. As part of the Red Wings extended family, we have standards to which we expect to see our organization adhere (and there is nothing wrong with that) and many of us feel like we are not producing at those levels. Our discontent is a byproduct of our passion to see our brothers in the Winged Wheel (and affiliated suits) succeed at the elite level we know they can, nay, Should exist in, game in and game out. We’re the Detroit Red Wings, gosh darn it!
Also keep in mind, our collective Grumpy Setting started this season a little higher than most seasons. After all, we were denied several months of hockey due to Gary Bettman’s Super Extended Family Fun Time, so our tolerance for merely Average was already running a little thin.  So, I guess you can blame Bettman for all of this…
Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 04/04/13 at 01:13 AM ET

All of this ^^^^

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 04/04/13 at 07:13 AM ET

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We’re at the point where I genuinely don’t understand why some Wings fans’re Wings fans.

It’s nice of you, in the article, to pretend that you don’t think people who complain are lesser fans than you, but then you trot out this horse$shit and your true colours come out.

Who in this post is doing that, George? Quite frankly, I don’t see it.

Duh, anyone who isn’t blindly rejoicing that Ken Holland stood pat instead of doing anything to try and “rebuild” during this apparent “rebuilding” phase.

Posted by Garth on 04/04/13 at 07:16 AM ET

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There is clearly a plan here that involves a) youth; and b) high-end skill. THIS is exactly what this team needs, not some veterans.

Ok, except that he signed veterans in the off-season rather than implementing any play involving youth (with the admitted exception of Smith, but he HAD to promote Smith because it’s clear that he was bored and not being challenged in the AHL) and only ever gave the youth a chance when the veterans got injured, and even then chose to play at least one veteran (Cleary) on a top line over Tatar, Nyquist or Andersson when they have high-end skill and Cleary clearly does not.

On top of that, Holland made a push at the deadline for more veterans.  One overpaid defenseman (Bouw) and one old and overpaid forward (Jagr).

I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again, this is not a commitment to youth.  They had their hand forced in this “youth movement”.

Posted by Garth on 04/04/13 at 07:21 AM ET

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I submitted that too quick. Anyhoo, Sure we get a little fired up over what the Wings have been (bot) doing but if’n ya wanna see serious vitriolic hogwash, George, check out the crap-tacular HFBoards. Blaccchhh….
My general disdain for The Brass right now is the hogwash coming out of their mouths: “The prices are too high” and yet they don’t take advantage of teams that are desperate and move dead wood like White and Menoshoot Filppula. Also, I’ll never be like so many Lions fans where every year we’re gonna not only be a playoff team but a Superbowl contender because that’s what they’re feeding us. I love the Wings but they are not giving me much confidence going forward. This is my take on Holland (posted elsewhere, earlier):

It’s starting. The talking heads, the very same ones who think Holland is a genius, are starting to question what the hell he’s been doing. Or should I say not doing. I was a big fan of him… BUT since the summer of ‘08 (ya know the year he didn’t lock up Hossa because he was busy locking up Franzen. FOR LIFE!) my opinion of him has been changing. Him not moving White and Filppula just blows me away. I have yet to hear an argument as to why White wasn’t moved. Makes absolutely no sense.
There can be only three reasons for Holland’s job performance free fall:
1. The powers that be, Mr. Illitch, are keeping him from spending to the cap.
2. He’s got some master-feckin plan and eventually we will see the results of said plan. e will be amazed!
3. He’s completely jumped the shark. He likes his team, literally, and has gotten soft. Worried about their families. Wants to be the nice guy. Etc. The death knell of any successful businessman let alone one of the most powerful GMs in the NHL.

Our run as may be over, boys and girls.
Go Griffins!

 

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 04/04/13 at 07:23 AM ET

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We get it George, anyone who questions the plan of the organization is not a fan and should do something else.  So to be a Holland fan qualifies you to be a Wing fan, got it.  I know it is beneath the media to question St Holland but does anyone point out how he contradicts himself?  If this was a transition year, why did he not play the kids from the beginning, why did he sign Samuelsson and the rest instead of playing the kids and seeing what you have.  You do realize had it not been for injuries Emmerton would have been waived, and Nyquist and Tatar would have been in Grand Rapids all year with no idea what we had in them, and in the case of Kindl gone next year with no idea what we had in him and with Lashoff most likely the same thing as he was a free agent.  So as much as Holland tries to pat himself on the back, the situation forced his hand and he had to play the prospects, not by choice that much is clear.  Lastly no one was suggesting they be buyers, or trade the farm for one last futile attempt at a Cup, it has been suggested that since the market was so expensive why not sell some deadweight like San Jose? I don’t think the Wings playoff chances are any worse off because guys like Ian White are not here.  There seems to be no plan other than just winging it (pardon the pun), and it seems we have a GM that can’t let go of the past by being too attached to current Wings and ex Wings.  And Bob Duff should remember it is us spoiled fans who buy tickets, show up on time, and actually care unlike the casual fans we don’t sit in the press box eating pizza and it is us spoiled fans who actually read his columns.

Posted by bababooey on 04/04/13 at 08:06 AM ET

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The only thing worse than George complaining about the overarching negativity, the hyperbolic revisionism, and the sometimes overwhelming refusal by some to do much other than dwell on the past is the complaining about George’s complaints.

I suppose my complaining about the complaining about the complaining is just adding to the noise though. Let’s see how many layers we can add to the circus.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 04/04/13 at 08:25 AM ET

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There’s a reason San Jose got an A or an A- from everybody: Wilson sold the dead weight and made his team better at the same time with many less prospects in the pipeline than the Wings have.  That’s what we wanted from Kenny.  If you’re committed to retooling, rebuilding, why hang onto Cleary an White?  Tatar and Nyquist are better than Cleary.  Probably Sheehan is too (not that he’ll see the ice this year if/when Bert and Sammy get back).  Tatar should never have been sent down.  There’s a reason Andy’s production fell off pretty much immediately (Clearly).  White probably never gets in again this season with Lash and Q coming back and Colo apparently healthy.

Extremely poor asset management by Ken Holland.  There’s a pattern, George, why can’t you recognize it?  The kids were never meant to play this year.  But they have and they’re better than KH’s so-called veteran depth players, so why not make room for them as full-timers?

Posted by jkm2011 on 04/04/13 at 08:36 AM ET

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Puck Daddy (whom, to be fair, hates the Red Wings) graded our trade-deadline an “F”. 

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 04/04/13 at 01:13 AM ET

This quote from that Puck Daddy post pretty much sums up his and a lot of Kukla commenters lack of awareness or acceptance regarding this Red Wings team:

In the end, the Wings are still a win-now team, given their roster, but couldn’t add anything to the mix.

No, they aren’t. And they won’t be next year either. And quite possibly the year after that. This is going to be a years-long rebuilding effort, and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. There is no quick fix.

The Wings are a low tier 2 team in this league, and have been since Lidstrom retired and they lost out on Suter and Parise. There is nothing that they could’ve done this year trade-wise that would’ve changed that.

I realize it’s hard to accept, but this just isn’t a very good team. There isn’t a piece or two that’s going to fix them. Bringing in Gaborik, or Clowe, or Jagr, or whoever would be counterproductive at this point.

You can be mad at Holland for not getting Parise and Suter, but I really don’t see how you can be mad at him for anything he’s done this year.*

*  With the exception of how he handles Filppula after the season. That remains to be seen, so his grade on that is incomplete. If it becomes apparent that he was never seriously considering re-signing, or if he resigns for ~$5 million he’s asking for, torches and pitchforks are acceptable. Because that would just be inexplicable.

Not to sound like a dick (too late), but some of you people really need to start dealing in reality. This isn’t the Red Wings team, or the NHL, of your childhood.


Re: Cleary…

Cleary will not be re-signed. Cleary won’t even be in the NHL next year.

 

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 04/04/13 at 08:42 AM ET

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There is clearly a plan here that involves a) youth; and b) high-end skill. THIS is exactly what this team needs, not some veterans.

Does that explain why Smith saw a mere 14 games last year? 

Each passing trade deadline and July 1 FA signing period since the spring of 2009 continues to tell me that the PR tag from the Wings brass is nothing more than spin.

And now I will crawl back into my cave of non-complaining as I root for the worst Wings roster since 1991 to make a dent in this years playoffs.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 04/04/13 at 08:42 AM ET

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Also, when did we go from: “Players want to come here because the Wings organization is just one big family, fans included.”

To: “Holland and Illitch are too soft and they need to start firing JLA employees on a whim and forcing their children to work in the salt mines under Detroit.”

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 04/04/13 at 08:46 AM ET

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It’s nice of you, in the article, to pretend that you don’t think people who complain are lesser fans than you, but then you trot out this horse$shit and your true colours come out.

Posted by Garth on 04/04/13 at 08:16 AM ET

It isn’t my job to be the morality police around here, but this has to be said:

Disagree with George all you want.  Tell him he is full of crap if you want, but character assaults are unacceptable.  Get that shit out of here.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 04/04/13 at 09:13 AM ET

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Not to sound like a dick (too late), but some of you people really need to start dealing in reality. This isn’t the Red Wings team, or the NHL, of your childhood.

True dat. You don’t sound like a dick, you sound like a rational human being to me.
My biggest disappointment this season has not been the questionable product on the ice.

It has been the response of the supposedly most intelligent fanbase in the NHL behaving like a bunch of 3 year olds who can’t have their pacifier.

Flame away.

Posted by dougie on 04/04/13 at 09:18 AM ET

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I suppose my complaining about the complaining about the complaining is just adding to the noise though. Let’s see how many layers we can add to the circus.

Laaaame.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 04/04/13 at 09:23 AM ET

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The Red Wings teams of my childhood were the Dead Things.  I’m fairly certain that the current squad is not like them.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 04/04/13 at 09:24 AM ET

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Also, when did we go from: “Players want to come here because the Wings organization is just one big family, fans included.”

I’ve realized it wasn’t that AT ALL.  it was one thing: winning.  and when were we winning?  Bowman.  since Bowman left everything changed.  players don’t want to come here like they used to, and Holland doesn’t seem nearly as brilliant.  it seems Holland was just doing the paperwork, Bowman was making the decisions and drawing the players.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/04/13 at 09:24 AM ET

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I don’t fault Holland for not bringing players in when they wouldn’t have made a difference this year. What I fault him for is not getting in on the crazy prices.


Flip wants to be here. Great. He’s the Wings second most talented puck handler. He’s like Datsyuk. Unfortunately he’s also Mule and floats, isn’t driven, and disappears. And he wants paid completely out of proportion with his production. He should have been shipped off for a couple picks. I would imagine he would have gotten at least a first.

White only plays if enough people are injured he has to be in. Word was rangers and Leafs were both interested. Could they have gotten a third for him? Probably.

In short, wtf? If prices were crazy and the Wings are rebuilding, why didn’t they sell negligible assets at crazy prices? Could you imagine the Wings having two first round picks in one year? Amazing.

Posted by teldar on 04/04/13 at 09:25 AM ET

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We’re at the point where I genuinely don’t understand why some Wings fans’re Wings fans. If you despise the orgnaization so much, why watch?

I think you’ve got it backwards, George.  we’re annoyed BECAUSE of how loyal we are, how much we care about what happens to this team.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/04/13 at 09:26 AM ET

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It has been the response of the supposedly most intelligent fanbase in the NHL behaving like a bunch of 3 year olds who can’t have their pacifier.

It has been that way for years ... Bettman hates us, the schedule, not moving east, constantly blaming the referees—the tinfoil hat crowd is sickening.  It’s just that the wings are losing “legitimately” now that most of you realize it, when, in fact, they’ve lost legitimately for 4+ years. 

The Wings aren’t that good and haven’t been “close” for a long time, no matter what KH and many other cheerleaders on this board have said.

Posted by jkm2011 on 04/04/13 at 09:27 AM ET

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