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Red Wings overnight report: the one I really didn’t want to write

I didn't have a good evening or night. When you're starting out and trying to establish yourself as a writer, you work very hard to earn the respect of your readers. When you've "arrived," even if you're a mid-market, mid-level "kind of sort of somebody" like me, you worry much more about your readers respecting each other, and that didn't happen on Thursday, so I was going to tell y'all to calm the hell down and leave you with this from Phantogram...

 

But I've learned that part of this job involves understanding that, to some extent, a blogger is a zookeeper in a zoo where all the cages don't have locks, and sometimes the inhabitants like to have a good fight.

That's incredibly upsetting and unnerving at times, if not disturbing, when you think that you may or may not help represent a community, and it turns out that on occasion, the community wants to do nothing more than find an excuse to turn on each other.

If the zookeeper get dinged in the process, that's just part of the risk inherent to the position, and if people lose respect for you based upon what you say...

Shit happens, and they can always go somewhere else to talk about hockey, but the author can't, and there's simply no point served in disrespecting one's readers further by withholding services, if you will, out of spite or anger.

I hope that Pavel Datsyuk will be able to clarify what he meant when he's on the safer side of the Atlantic, if he's not absolutely terrified that clarification will harm his ability to work in kids' hockey back home when he's done playing.

People in public positions who've spoken out against the Russian government and its policies, from "socialite" Ksenia Sobchak and would-be blogger Alexei Navalny on down, have faced very real and very stark consequences for their actions, and I really get the feeling that what Datsyuk did was to throw a bodycheck that would get people off his back...

Especially that he and his fellow Russian Olympic orientation campers are supposedly meeting Comrade Putin himself today in Sochi, and Sport-Express's Andrey Kuznetsov reports that the Russian Hockey Federation, the Russian Olympic hockey team's coaches and the Russian Ministry of Sport are all going to have a powwow today and then meet with the media tomorrow.

I do know that religious belief and agreeing with everything your church believes in are two very different things.

While Datsyuk stated that he's Orthodox, and we all know that the Eastern Orthodox church endorses the Russian anti-homosexuality laws, so does the bloody culture, and we simply don't know, and may never know, if Datsyuk was saying that he tacitly endorses the law and endorses discrimination against and even violence toward homosexuals, or whether he was saying that he may have a moral objection to homosexuality based upon his religious beliefs, but that has nothing to do with the laws, or whether he simply doesn't give a flying *#$%@& who somebody's attracted to, because he really and truly wasn't allowed to answer that question in any other way than an affirmative one.

He tripped and fell on the deke. But based upon his track record as a human being, it seems a little less than certain that Datsyuk would explicitly approve of laws that target a minority group for very literal legal prosecution based upon their state of being, never mind their behavior, because his church tells him to do so.

 

 

 

Sportbox also reported that Datsyuk will be taking part in a charity hockey game in Tver (northwest of Moscow) on Sunday, alongside Evgeni Malkin, Ilya Kovalchuk and Alexei Morozov, and the whole damn reason he was in Moscow on Thursday to begin with--in front of about 50 fans and media folks, with cameras rolling--was to pick up the Kharlamov Trophy, which Sovetsky Sport awards to the player it deems to be the best Russian hockey player in the world.

Sovetsky Sport did post a video of the first half of a two-hour ceremony in the Q and A with fans, but unless you speak Russian, you're not going to get much out of this.

Sovetsky Sport posted a photo gallery from the event as well.

You may not get much out of the quips that Sovetsky Sport posited, either, as they're essentially garbled Google-translated Russian, and I don't have the colloquial knowledge to improve them, but I'm gonna post them anyway, starting with the Q and A that was posted sans the controversial remark...

Forward "Detroit" Pavel Datsyuk won the award "Kharlamov Trophy", which the newspaper "Soviet Sport" annually awarded to the best Russian player of the National Hockey League.

At the ceremony, hockey answered questions from reporters, fans and well-known coaches.

(About the Prize "Kharlamov Trophy")

- I am very pleased. I immediately began to congratulate all. Especially in a year when the movie came out. Very nice gift for my birthday.

(About Valery Kharlamov)

- Valery Kharlamov, for me it is a teacher, which, unfortunately, I did not communicate. But I'm trying to learn his game. He was a slight increase in earned respect around the world. There are people to whom we seek. For me - it Valeri Kharlamov.

(On the film "The Legend of number 17)

- I wanted to see "Legend number 17" in the movie. But came to Yekaterinburg, and the film does not show. But my friends have organized viewing. Liked the movie. It seemed there was just a little imagination. But the experience is good.

(On the NHL)

- Why did you decide to stay in the NHL?

- It said many times. I think that the NHL - at present a strong league. As long as I have the strength, I'll play there. The main differences from our North American hockey? The level of hockey and related to hockey.

- Are there any rituals before a game?

- We stop drinking. But do not stop smoking. And the second - stop reading newspapers.

(On the Olympic Games in Sochi)

- I do not care, I'll be the captain of the Olympic Games or the water I'll be carrying. The main thing is to help the team.

(About the idea to organize a hockey reality show)

- There was a desire to make a show similar to the project in which the stars were skaters. I would like to come up with something similar about hockey. But it is not up to it. I have until the circus.

(The fact is he ready to play in the Russian national football team)

No. Everyone has to do their job. In general, I and so many people laugh.

Here's the Q and A he engaged in with fans who submitted questions to Sovsport.ru...

Fan of with the nickname Zabnin: - In the Yekaterinburg there are rumors about your desire to build a new arena. And the else are you somehow are participating in the fate of of the local "Motorist». This is the so?

- I am a do not I have the attitude to the «Motorist». This is a professional team of, thither I do not climb. People are themselves know, than are engaged in.

In the rest - been involved in the construction of real estate in Yekaterinburg. And the there is a project, about the which we collect the information. Want to construct a a hockey the arena of with the school in the city. Moreover optionally, a that the she will be named the my name.

Lazy_ocean: - We choose the hobby into a depending on the addition, the that does not suffice in the mainly the form of a of activity. What same there is in the fishing trip, that is not present in hockey?

Chervyakov. And, probably, tranquility. The possibilities to retire, to be alone or with friends. Are real the fishermen do not talk to, do not are drinking, as show in the films. And the is still important Russian nature, of the lake. And there are no of houses around, the as in America.

Lazy_ocean: - In this season of the NHL sweaters with your name have entered into a three of the most sold. And in the past year you were only ninth. With the than is linked take-off?

- I am a has adjusted of delivery to Ekaterinburg.

AbSeam: - In the 90-x in Detroit was cut short career is defender of of Vladimir Konstantinova. What are the you have a relationship? As it includes those in the club?

- Of Vladimir are brought to the the game. He walks own but with a help of a special fulcrum. In this season of Konstantinov has visited at the matches of four as well as at the games plej-off of. Comes in a the locker room before the meeting, him sit a few minutes with the team. He is led off back in and are planting on a tribune. And the before the season of «Detroit" is sometimes organizes the charity tournament to him in the help.

Maklaud: - You will be interested, if the Fabio Capello personally will invite you to take part in a workout national team of Russian on football?

- Everyone should be engaged his own business. This is interesting, but refuse. I am a and the so-a lot of the people of Veselov. Still and football? This is too ...

- What is the question you a seemed to the most interests you?

- About Konstantinov,. Pleases, that people of his do not forgotten about.

PS Fan of AbSeam receives a a cap, t-shirt and the ball «of the Soviet of sport" with the autographs of of Paul Datsyuk's.

So Datsyuk gave the "best question" designation to the one about Konstantinov...

For the record, Datsyuk met with one of the lyricsists of the rap song, "The owner of two golden hands: Pavel Datsyuk" as well. If you want to read a much longer version of the Q and A, Sovetsky Sport's Pavel Lysenkov provides one, and Datsyuk's every word was captured even as he worked through a line of autograph-seekers.

Sportbox noted that Datsyuk addressed the rumors that he was going to sign with CSKA Moscow...

Forward "Detroit" Pavel Datsyuk said there was a possibility of his move to CSKA Moscow, during which he played during the lockout.

- The temptation to accept the offer CSKA actually was. But I realized that it is more logical and more useful for me to stay in the "Detroit". NHL - is the strongest league today, and while I have the strength, I'll play there.

- Is it difficult to make a choice between CSKA and "Motorist" in 2017?

- We already had the 1917 was - who thought that it happened (laughs). So far not anticipating, it is necessary to live before him. God willing, so even ten years will sign a contract with "Detroit" - said Datsyuk.

So the long story short is that in 2017, he at least claimed at the presser that he'll sign another contract with the Wings...

R-Sport took note of his comments about the Olympic team not taking to the ice...

"I liked the decision not to hold in Sochi ice workouts - Datsyuk said at the award ceremony," Kharlamov Trophy "established by the newspaper" Soviet Sport. "- I am glad of it, because with age I try not to go on the ice until September, I was in the season lack of ice. Requires this collection? This fee is necessarily necessary, in the course of the season we do not have much room to talk, because all are in different cities. in Sochi, we will be able to communicate with the management, the coaches, the players something to discuss with each other and draw conclusions - in front of us because there is one problem. "

As well as his Olympic expectations as a whole...

"For me, the Olympics - it is a big responsibility - said Datsyuk told reporters. - The whole country wants gold, all my friends and family want us to win. I'm ready for the pressures that will be provided by us. closer to the Olympic Games, the it will be stronger and stronger. On the home team is always a lot of pressure, we saw how it was with the Canadians in Vancouver. They coped with the pressure, we also need to learn. whether I dream about the role of the captain? I have a dream to help the team. I'll be captain or not - does not matter. "

At the 2013 World Championships , the Russian team reached the quarter-finals with a score of 3:8 where the team lost to the United States.

"To experience the World Championship because it's too late now to change nothing. But the conclusions we have to do. Will the game our team in Sochi depend entirely on the guys from the NHL? Hard to say. Everything will depend on the team. Think that the press would not be share the national team for players from the NHL and the players from the CHL . We all dress a sweater if we single entity, and well prepared for the tournament, we have a very good chance, "- said Datsyuk.

"Do not look at the other team. Problem is not in quantity but in quality," - said Datsyuk to the question of why an expanded Russian team included only 35 players, while the list of Canadians, employs 47 people.

Sports Day by Day noted that Datsyuk feels that he can make a difference in terms of working in youth hockey after his career is over...

Datsyuk also commented on the state of children's hockey in Russia.

- Now all bad. Parents of children squeeze, demand too much from them. And for 12 years they do not get pleasure from hockey. It is necessary to change it. After a career is unlikely to become a coach. It's very hard work. But to lead your school would like.

Sportbox.ru's Alexei Shevchenko confirmed that Datsyuk wants to work as a coach when he's done playing...

Do you see yourself hockey functionary after his career? Or coach?

- Coach - is unlikely. It's very hard work. But to lead your school would like.

And he did try to make some jokes, as RBK Sport's Yuri Nesterenko noted:

- What is the difference between the American and Russian hockey?

- The main difference - and this is related to the level of hockey.

- Tell us your three components of the preparation for the Olympics?

- The main thing is to stop drinking, smoking, do not stop. Less than read newspapers - it's bad for the head.

- How much influence your new contract for the bankruptcy of Detroit?

- I'm ashamed to admit it, but probably a big influence.

 

 

On this side of the Atlantic, USCHO's Paula C. Weston spoke with Torey Krug and Justin Abdelkader at Michigan State University's Pro Camp on Thursday, and Abdelkader discussed both MSU's shift to the Big Ten conference and his own pre-season preparations...

Abdelkader, who has been with the Detroit Red Wings since 2008, was a big hit with the fans in attendance. People outside of Michigan may not appreciate what a favorite he is locally, and in spite of his megastar status here, he’s as unpretentious as he was when he was a Spartan.

Abdelkader said that MSU’s Pro Camp helps him prepare for the upcoming NHL season. “More than anything, it’s just getting on the ice and skating. It’s always fun to come back to Munn here. It brings back so many memories here in the locker room and going through the hallways and seeing so many familiar faces. More than anything, I’m getting ready for [Red Wings] camp, but at the same time, it’s fun, too.”

And as life at the home office was not enjoyable at all on Thursday, the most fun I had not uttering four-letter words over the past 24 hours involved listening to the interview Chris Chelios gave to The Fan 590's Damien Cox and Jeff Blair.

Chelios discusses his status as an Olympic hockey analyst for Fox Sports One, his Hockey Hall of Fame induction, his pride in working for the Red Wings, why he would NEVER work for the NHL, his favorite defenseman, the "Red Wings Way" and Daniel Alfredsson's addition to the team, all while going on for nearly fifteen minutes:

Chelios will apparently be signing autographs in Toronto on Saturday, too.

 

 

 

In predictive news, via SI's Allan Muir, if you missed it, the Sports Forecaster's "Hockey Forecaster" made a bold prediction regarding the 2013-2014 season's Stanley Cup winner, as noted by the Ottawa Citizen's Allan Panzeri...

Not only will the Senators win the Stanley Cup, they’ll also take the Atlantic Division and the Presidents’ Trophy (for most points accumulated during the regular season).

They’ll succeed despite a heroic effort from Los Angeles Kings goalie Jonathan Quick, who will pick up the Conn Smythe as playoff MVP in a losing cause.

Craig Anderson and Robin Lehner will win the Jennings Trophy during the regular season as the Senators allow the fewest number of goals, however.

Crazy? Well, it’s hockey yearbook season and The Sports Forecaster yearbook was the first to hit newsstands today. And yes, everything I just described to you is how the magazine sees this season playing out.

From the magazine:

“The loss of Daniel Alfredsson will certainly be felt in Ottawa. However, the coaching of Paul MacLean, leadership of Chris Phillips, Chris Neil, Marc Methot, plus all-star level performances by Erik Karlsson, Craig Anderson, Jason Spezza and bobby Ryan should ensure plenty of success even without the former captain. This is a true Cup contender.”

Oh, and Daniel Alfredsson’s Detroit Red Wings sneak into the playoffs as a wild card, finishing fifth in the Atlantic Division.

Sportsnet's Chris Nichols essentially posited a "fantasy summary" of the goaltenders Eastern Conference teams will be fielding...

In Detroit, Jimmy Howard was extended with a six-year, $31.8 million deal in mid-April. His cap hit will be just a shade under $5.3 million. The 29-year-old has posted what can only be described as stellar stats in three of his four campaigns as an NHL starter, the last of which he was without Nicklas Lidstrom in front of him and Howard still excelled. The mercurial Jonas Gustavsson, 28, a goaltender with more talent than that for which he is generally given credit thanks to health issues, will perform spot-duty in the secondary role. He’s finishing up a two-year deal which pays him $1.5 million per season.

And ESPN's Matthew Coller and Corey Pronman penned a "summer skate" checking in on the Red Wings' "prospects." If there's more text than usual from an Insider-only entry, it's because my mouse hand slipped (and their "Vukota" evaluation system needs an explanation that you'll have to read on your own):

Once again, the rumors of Detroit's demise were greatly exaggerated. In 2013, the Red Wings not only made the postseason, but were on the verge of the Stanley Cup Final. The combination of an emerging star goalie in Jimmy Howard, coaching, some contributions from young players and the sheer awesomeness of Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg all added up to another successful year in Hockeytown.

For 2013-14, Detroit (finally) makes its move into the Eastern Conference. This year, the detractors might be a little quieter as general manager Ken Holland has beefed up his top six. And with Datsyuk and Zetterberg still going strong, this team won't be much fun for its new foes.

Trending up: F Stephen Weiss
Last season:
-2.6 GVT | VUKOTA projection: 2.6

What a miserable 2013 season it was for the former No. 4 overall pick of the Florida Panthers. Weiss -- who has long been one of the few talents worth talking about on Florida's underwhelming top six -- had as awful of a 17-game stretch as anyone could have predicted to start the season. Then he got hurt and missed the remainder of the campaign.

But Detroit feels they signed the Stephen Weiss who scored 57 points two seasons ago, not the one who last season only managed four in 17 games and was minus-13. They'll give him every opportunity to succeed, too. The 29-year-old will see big minutes with the Red Wings' best, which might include promising youngster Gustav Nyquist or the legendary Daniel Alfredsson. And he's sure to see a great deal of power play time as well. -- Coller

Trending down: D Niklas Kronwall
Last season:
10.6 GVT | VUKOTA projection: 7.0

The long-tenured defenseman took over the Red Wings' No. 1 role admirably after the loss of one of the NHL's best ever, Nicklas Lidstrom. At age 32, the Swede recorded his highest points per game rate since 2008-09.

Considering he's on the tail end of his prime, and the Red Wings' plan to groom Brendan Smith, repeating that rate might be difficult. Kronwall will still be the go-to guy on the back end for Mike Babcock, but he is likely to drift back somewhat from his terrific 2013. -- Coller

Pronman's Name to know: D Danny DeKeyser

DeKeyser was the top college free agent on the market after winning his second straight best defensive defenseman award in the CCHA and being named a second team All-American. Thereafter, he played 13 games for Detroit in 2013 between the regular season and playoffs. He's a very mobile defenseman with size, physicality and great defensive awareness. He also has decent offensive tools, although that isn't the best area of his game. NHL scouts believe DeKeyser can be a potential No. 3 defenseman, and he might not be too far away from becoming that. -- Pronman

 

 

 

If you missed it, part 1: MLive's Brendan Savage notes that a Wings prospect will be among the skaters taking part in the NHLPA's Rookie Showcase in Etobicoke, ON on Tuesday the 27th:

For the fourth straight year, a member of the Detroit Red Wings organization has been invited to take part in the NHLPA Rookie Showcase. This year, it will be goaltender Petr Mrazek representing the Red Wings Aug. 27 in Toronto.

The event was designed to allow the NHL's two official trading card companies to take photos of the league's top prospects in their team uniforms. The pictures will be used for trading cards and memorabilia launches.

Mrazek, who won his NHL debut 5-1 over St. Louis last season in one of two games with the Red Wings, is among 27 players who have been invited to take part in the event.

If you missed it, part 2, while Mike Babcock's going to be helming Team Canada's Olympic orientation camp in Calgary from Sunday the 25th until Wednesday the 28th in Calgary, while Datsyuk will be in Sochi today and tomorrow, and while Jimmy Howard, Danny DeKeyser and Justin Abdelkader will be heading to Arlington, VA to take part in Team USA's orientation camp on the 26th and 27th...

Around here, the Joe Kocur Foundation's charity softball game in Highland, MI is the place to be this Saturday, as the Oakkland Press's Carol Hopkins notes:

The fifth annual Joe Kocur Foundation Charity Softball Series will be held Saturday at Duck Lake Pines Park at 1241 N. Duck Lake Road in Highland. Gates open at 10 a.m. General admission tickets are $10.

The event features a host of celebrities including Detroit Red Wings alumni Dino Ciccarelli, Kris Draper, Joe Kocur, Manny Legace, Dave Lewis, Darren McCarty, Mickey Redmond and Ted Lindsay. Other celebrities include actor Jeff Daniels, former Lions quarterback Eric Hipple, former Tigers Dave Rozema and Scott Lusader and Brian Vander Ark from the Verve Pipe. Milford, White Lake, Highland and Oakland County law enforcement and firefighters will also be attending.

The day will consist of four softball games with Detroit Red Wings alumni and Detroit area sports and entertainment celebrities. Games are at 11 a.m., 1 p.m., 3 p.m. and 5 p.m., and will include local law enforcement and firefighters playing the celebrity team. All proceeds will benefit local children’s charities, Wings of Mercy East Michigan, Far Conservatory, Team Huron Valley Special Olympics, and the Lakeland High School Public Service Scholarship for a student going into law enforcement or firefighting in honor of the late Shannon Gaber Silverthorn.

During the event, attendees can enjoy food and beverage for a nominal charge. Little Caesars Pizza and Leo’s Coney of White Lake will have hot pizzas and plenty of hot dogs. Raffle prizes will be awarded during the games, while those who attend also can join in on the silent auction including signed sports memorabilia, golf packages and gift certificates to local restaurants, spas and services. Between games, the former Red Wings players and local celebrities will be available to sign autographs. Kids will have their own baseball diamond filled with fun events and plenty of attractions from bounce houses and dunk tanks to home run derbies. Various viewing bleachers and tents will be set up along the path near all four diamonds. Organizers recommend bringing lawn chairs as bleacher space fills up with a crowd of around 3,000. Visit http://www.joekocurfoundation.org

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In the prospect department, Pro Hockey Talk's James O'Brien was wowed about the names of players taking part in the Red Wings' fall prospect tournament in Traverse City (starting on September 4th), and while she can't reveal the WIngs' roster yet, the Left Wing Lock's Sarah Lindenau let some hints drop on Twitter:

Read: Wheaton, a 2013 draft pick, is still recovering from shoulder surgery, and Jensen's fight with Tyler Bertuzzi yielded a significant shoulder injury...

Though he probably didn't need surgery...

Forwards.

 

 

 

And if you really want to watch Henrik Zetterberg swing a golf club, GP.se posted a clip of Zetterberg taking part in a celebrity golf tournament in Gothenburg, Sweden. He's got quite the summertime beard going:

 

 

 

And you may not like my political or religious views (the former's non-partisan "middle" and the latter's nontraditional, and I'm going to stick with that instead of the five-minute explanation), but I've got a job to do in September, and those of you who're paying my way to the Red Wings' prospect tournament and main camp have come from all sides of the political spectrum.

The hotel's very, very close to being paid for, but the gas, food, dry cleaning, that stuff adds up over two weeks. I'm still kaputski there, and I'm under two weeks from leaving town on September 4th--for two weeks. If there is any way that you can lend a hand and/or spread the word, I would greatly, greatly appreciate it.

I'm sticking with PayPal as folks are familiar with it, and the email address that you use as my "recipient" ID is my personal email address, rtxg@yahoo.com.

Thanks again. At the end of the day, the vast majority of us are on the same team, and we're allowed to disagree with each other.

 

 

This was definitely the entry I didn't want to write, and as a "*#$%@& it," I'm sticking with the working title. *#$%@& it. I wouldn't have slept anyway.

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Comments

Joe Z.'s avatar

“I hope that Pavel Datsyuk will be able to clarify what he meant when he’s on the safer side of the Atlantic, if he’s not absolutely terrified that clarification will harm his ability to work in kids’ hockey back home when he’s done playing.”

Maybe you should stop being so naively judging about the world, maybe that would help you gain respect within your readers.

“Safe side of the Atlantic” What the fuch are you talking about? As far as I’m informed the Patriot Act and the NDAA 2012 allow keeping an foreign citizen to be kept without charges, without a legal representation anywhere on this planet for as long the US administration wants to. And you dare to judge the Russian law system? Better take care of your own porch before pointing to others….

the US just sentenced a guy to 35 years because he showed the world the crimes of the us army. and you call it safe, fuch you

Posted by Joe Z. from Austria on 08/23/13 at 04:55 AM ET

George Malik's avatar

Disturbingly enough, my horrible imperialist country is about 50 to 100 times less likely to perform surveillance upon its own citizens or foreign nationals than anywhere in Europe, for starters.

And thanks for telling me to go *#$%@& myself. After the past couple of days, that practically sounds constructive.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 08/23/13 at 05:39 AM ET

BrendonR's avatar

Though I disagree with what was said in the first comment, I do feel that the group over here often takes cues from our leaders. George - my advice would be to lead by example and not worry about it. Heated remarks are inevitable in discussions like this one.

Now that Pav’s one little quote has been tossed and turned ad nauseam, I’d love to get back to talking DRW and the Griffs. One thing I’m curious about in particular are the strides our young guys are expected to make this year and whether they might see some time in the bigs. Isn’t Pulkkinen in the AHL this year? And will Jurco break through and be the star he’s got the chance to be? Far more interesting questions I’d say.

Posted by BrendonR on 08/23/13 at 06:55 AM ET

WingsFanInBeanLand's avatar

I’m no expert in Orthodox religion or of any religion for that matter.

I do know it’s common among Christian religions that no man can judge another man and only God can do that at their time of reckoning.

Maybe it’s possible that Pav’s was referring to himself in that respect.  That he, as a man, cannot judge someone for being born homosexual but he leaves that up to his God.

Of course we don’t know that.  Just as we cannot say, with only what he was quoted as saying, that he endorses what the Russian government has passed as law.

I hope Malkin and Ovechkin will not have to deal with this bullshight.

Let’s play some fuching hockey.

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from where free agents no longer dare. on 08/23/13 at 07:17 AM ET

Paul's avatar

If you are not familiar with the Orthodox religion...

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 08/23/13 at 07:32 AM ET

SnLO's avatar

I’m really struggling to find the correlation between someone’s opinion about politics/ religion/ homosexuality and their ability to play hockey.

Posted by SnLO from beyond the M-1 on 08/23/13 at 07:34 AM ET

yzer19man's avatar

I’m really struggling to find the correlation between someone’s opinion about politics/ religion/ homosexuality and their ability to play hockey.

Posted by SnLO from the sub-great white north on 08/23/13 at 08:34 AM ET

THIS. Exactly

Paul, hahaha love it. thanks for the link

Posted by yzer19man from Chicago, IL on 08/23/13 at 07:42 AM ET

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Hey George,

I think you took it too hard man.  It was a tough topic.  You gave an opinion. I gave many opinions.  So did others.  If anyone looks down on you I’d really have to question why.  You reported the news.  BFD.  My opinion of KK or TMR remains untarnished.  You’re doing a great job as always.  I’d shrug it off.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/23/13 at 07:46 AM ET

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THIS. Exactly

Yeah, because what does it matter if you’re a good person when you can deke well?

Posted by Garth on 08/23/13 at 07:51 AM ET

SnLO's avatar

Yeah, because what does it matter if you’re a good person when you can deke well?

exactly. being a good person is bonus.

Posted by SnLO from beyond the M-1 on 08/23/13 at 07:56 AM ET

MsRedWinger's avatar

Ricky Gervais posted this on Facebook:

The best way to avoid criticism is never do anything ever. Or, do what you love, have a great life and let others spend their time criticising.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 08/23/13 at 07:57 AM ET

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Wonder how quick you’d be to bleep all over an NHLer who was Muslim and expressed the tenets of his faith regarding homosexuality?  Soft targets are easy targets, and some religious targets are socially acceptable while others most definitely are not.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 08/23/13 at 08:11 AM ET

ClintonVerley's avatar

George, thanks for all your hard work on this website and for your response to this little brouhaha. I too was disappointed in Pavel’s comment but also want to be careful given the context and the pressure he was under. I would have liked it better if he’d taken the opportunity to show support for human beings who happen to be LGBT and who are mistreated or abused for it…but he didn’t. Hopefully he’ll clarify later but something tells me he won’t. I’m still a huge fan of his, just wish he hadn’t been so wishy-washy on this important issue.

Posted by ClintonVerley from Auburn Hills, MI on 08/23/13 at 08:21 AM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

the US just sentenced a guy to 35 years because he showed the world the crimes of the us army. and you call it safe, fuch you

No, you crybaby. He said “safer” er... as in comparatively more safe.

He also used it in an even more relativistic context as far as personal consequences to Datsyuk go.

Man, how touchy are you?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 08/23/13 at 08:22 AM ET

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I am amazed that the writer of this blog continues to put out some of the most irrational and incoherent blather on this tremendous website and yet is still employed. Please, just write about the latest news regarding the Red Wings without your strange commentary.

If you can do that, I think plenty of people would appreciate the effort and be supportive. I come to this site for the aggregate of hockey and especially Wings news and yet I have to weed through your eccentric and miscalculated opinions all the time.

Posted by Rsambo00 on 08/23/13 at 08:23 AM ET

Primis's avatar

George, honestly…. yesterday was comment-spammy but for the most part it wasn’t out of order.  I’m going to disagree with you on that point.

You sometimes have this idea that if a topic generates a page of comments, or more, you’ve failed and that everyone has gotten disrespectful.  Sometimes I think you’d be happiest posting story after story with 0 comments ever because if nobody ever posts comments then there’s no risk of anyone disagreeing with anyone else.  And you worrying about disagreeing too much.

There are about 1 or 2 individuals involved who are constantly disrespectful (or if we’re being honest about it are just plain f***wits that everyone hates and thinks are a joke), and many of us have them blocked anyways so their garbage doesn’t get seen.  Beyond that I didn’t see problems.

I didn’t agree with much of anything bezeukov said, but I don’t think he ever got out of line, for example.  Honestly, I didn’t even think the convo ever got terribly heated.  Even the invoking of Godwin ended up being a lighter derailing than anything else.

Relax, George.  Your job is not to moderate and please people, or to make sure everyone holds hands and sings “We Are the World”.  Stop taking it so personally when readers from vastly different geographic areas, upbringings, values, and backgrounds have differing opinions on things.

Posted by Primis on 08/23/13 at 09:01 AM ET

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the US just sentenced a guy to 35 years because he showed the world the crimes of the us army. and you call it safe, fuch you

Posted by Joe Z. from Austria on 08/23/13 at 05:55 AM ET

Putin gasses people, oftentimes his own people.

Get some f***ing perspective and then come back and talk to us.

Posted by Primis on 08/23/13 at 09:02 AM ET

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George,

Keep up the great work.  You are the single best source of Red Wings information on the internet or elsewhere.  When you aren’t covering the team, for whatever reason, I feel like I lose touch with the Wings, and I live and work in Detroit.

It’s rarely a good idea to try to engage in discussions with people on religion or politics, especially on the internet.  It’s exceptionally rare than anyone’s mind will ever be changed.  People just dig in more and inevitably it gets heated and nasty.

Posted by Ajax19 on 08/23/13 at 09:04 AM ET

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WingsFanInBeanLand, that was the best response I’ve read.
Who’s to say that when he said “I’m religious”, he didn’t mean “I love all people and they should be treated fairly?”.

That’s how I look at it. As a Christian, I may not agree or understand what every person out there does, but I believe we all have free will and God is the ultimate judge. And the God I serve is a kind, caring entity that wants all of us to be happy, without harming anyone else.

Now, like you said, lets get back to talking about hockey.
That’s what I come to KuklasKorner for. Not to debate politics, religion or what flavour of donut is the best (cleary chocolate glazed).

Posted by Hank1974 on 08/23/13 at 09:42 AM ET

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Stop taking it so personally when readers from vastly different geographic areas, upbringings, values, and backgrounds have differing opinions on things.

hehe

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 08/23/13 at 09:43 AM ET

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What happened to you people?  Am I understanding this right when saying Datsyuk said he’s religious and on the safer side of the Atlantic when responding to loaded questions about gays?

Have you people heard of the Red scare? Our country has done some ducked up stuff based on words people say. Russia is just about a police state where they don’t need to explain themselves if they arrest people.


I see Datsyuks answers as cop outs. Go see what McCarthy dis to those who said yes they were communist. Go see what Hitler, Stalin and Mussulini did to those who said they were harboring Jews. Sometimes no answer is seen as contrarian and draws suspicion, if he said no comment who’s to say they wouldn’t have put him in a position where he had to prove his antigayness (Diego Rivera is a good example of someone who went through these sorts of struggles).


He could have easily said homosexuality is wrong in the eyes of god or something like that if he really wanted brownie points.

In a similar situation I’d do my best to blend in with the crowd as not everyone has interest in Martyrdom.

Don’t be ignorant on either side. Don’t assume he is hanging gay people in his backyard. Don’t be intolerant to others beliefs in equality (the US is based on equality….  Right?). Take one step back, read the facts for what they are and let it be.

Datsyuk will likely never clarify because what happens next? Freedom of speech does not exist in Russia.

Let it go. We got worse things to worry about.

Posted by neffernin on 08/23/13 at 09:59 AM ET

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Yeah, because what does it matter if you’re a good person when you can deke well?
Posted by Garth on 08/23/13 at 08:51 AM ET

Ever the shit stirrer

Posted by Hootinani on 08/23/13 at 10:15 AM ET

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Danny Heatley will score 76 goals this season. grin

Posted by calquake on 08/23/13 at 10:27 AM ET

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George, like others (and I think yourself) I have strong opinions on the law that’s at the centre of this. I disagree with Mr. Datsyuk’s opinion thereon, and I gave my own opinion - understanding, as anyone who gives an opinion should, that it would be subject to criticism and even condemnation.

I never meant to come into your metaphorical ‘house’ and cause a disturbance or bring you any personal discomfort, though, so I hope you’ll forgive me for any role my comments had in that. 

Posted by Da lil Guy from Guelph, Ontario on 08/23/13 at 10:47 AM ET

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Sarah Lindenau @Lindy72

Not on the #redwings #nhlprospects roster are Nick Jensen and Mitchell Wheaton. Both are injured.

Thanks, Ty.

Posted by SYF from The Revenge of Johnny E on 08/23/13 at 11:22 AM ET

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I see Datsyuks answers as cop outs. Go see what McCarthy dis to those who said yes they were communist. Go see what Hitler, Stalin and Mussulini did to those who said they were harboring Jews. Sometimes no answer is seen as contrarian and draws suspicion, if he said no comment who’s to say they wouldn’t have put him in a position where he had to prove his antigayness (Diego Rivera is a good example of someone who went through these sorts of struggles).

Posted by neffernin on 08/23/13 at 10:59 AM ET

It wasn’t me this time JJ.  cool smile

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/23/13 at 11:26 AM ET

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Posted by Primis on 08/23/13 at 10:01 AM ET

Posted by Da lil Guy from Ottawa on 08/23/13 at 11:47 AM ET

George, I want to echo what Primis and Da lil Guy had to say here. 

Primis, thanks for what you said.  It means a lot to know that folks around here can disagree intensely, and for most part, keep it impersonal.  Its part of why I love this place.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/23/13 at 11:35 AM ET

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It wasn’t me this time JJ

The worst part is that it so easily separates some very complex situations into absolutes. You can’t draw back from Godwin’s line nor can you push through it.

It’s a brick thrown through a half-completed stained glass window.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 08/23/13 at 11:50 AM ET

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Danny Heatley will score 76 goals this season. grin

Posted by calquake on 08/23/13 at 11:27 AM ET

And then he will turn off his XBox, and sigh, wishing he could ever manage to play NHL 14 on even Pro instead of just Rookie…  and then pull up his online banking and laugh at the deposits.

Then he will call up Zach and ask if he needs a lift home tonight, and have a sad when Zach quickly says “No”.

And then he will crank call Eugene Melnyk and ask if his refrigerator is running.  When Melnyk answers “Yes”, Dany will scream “DOES YOUR CSI TEAM KNOW FOR SURE?!” and hang up.

And then he will press the power button on his XBox controller and sigh again.  This time he’ll try on Pro, he really will.

No he won’t.

Primis, thanks for what you said.  It means a lot to know that folks around here can disagree intensely, and for most part, keep it impersonal.  Its part of why I love this place.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 08/23/13 at 12:35 PM ET

Personal stuff is for the important things.  You know… like Franzen’s goalscoring output, Babcock’s coaching, and the Wings’ d-man contracts.


But seriously, the barrage of comments yesterday was nothing.  It really wasn’t.  I’ve been around the online world a long time, and yesterday’s threads were rather civil and restrained considering the topic of human rights and politics.

Seriously.  Call of Duty changes the firing rate on a gun and a dev immediately gets numerous, personal death threats.  In a messed-up world where THAT happens, I don’t see how yesterday’s threads were all that bad.

Posted by Primis on 08/23/13 at 11:52 AM ET

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Hey George one of the basic rules of writing is keep it simple. If people rag on you then at least you know they are paying attention.

Pav is Pav. Russia is Russia. The most interesting thing about the country (right now anyway) is the love affair with Putin as he goes through his he-man phase. Has any other politician of the last 200 years been photographed shirtless so many times as this dude?

He’s not as out of control (party-animal-like) as Berlusconi in Italy, but at least he’s more manly than that nut job serial-groper running San Diego!

Posted by RW19 on 08/23/13 at 11:53 AM ET

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The most interesting thing about the country (right now anyway) is the love affair with Putin as he goes through his he-man phase. Has any other politician of the last 200 years been photographed shirtless so many times as this dude?

He’s not as out of control (party-animal-like) as Berlusconi in Italy, but at least he’s more manly than that nut job serial-groper running San Diego!

Posted by RW19 from enjoying a cold one by the Rideau River on 08/23/13 at 12:53 PM ET

Putin is pretty charismatic.  And he plays off that.  He flies jet fighter missions for photo ops, and many of his people love him for it (some people LOVE his actual military background without the implications of that giving them pause).  He suits up for hockey games and people go “THAT’S SO AWESOME”.  But I don’t think he does what he does just because… he does it for propaganda and with purpose to centralize his power.

And it distracts from the people he’s imprisoning, the Chechens he’s killing, and police state he’s turned Russia back into.

There really *is* a certain “b*dass” quality to Putin.  And in some ways he probably actually is one, because he does do stuff others couldn’t possibly pull off.  But what he does is deflect it away from how scary and frightening he really is, and instead just make some people think he’s an awesome dude.

He’s not the nutjob in North Korea who is viewed as basically a caricature, a cartoon leader almost.  He’s not Castro, where what he says and the reality are even evident to his own people.  Putin really DOES have people outside of Russia who like him I think even.  And that’s why he’s so dangerous.

Posted by Primis on 08/23/13 at 12:11 PM ET

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