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Red Wings Monday practice post: mixed bag of injury news as Smith good to go, Alfredsson still iffy

Updated 7x at 4:14 PM: The Red Wings returned to practice at Joe Louis Arena after having dropped consecutive shootout decisions on Friday and Saturday, and MLive's Ansar Khan reported good news on the injury front...

Wings on ice for practice. Everybody is skating, including Weiss and Smith, who've been out with injuries.

Mostly...

Correction, Alfredsson is not skating.

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Wings skating with these lines: 49-13-44, 93-43-21, 71-18-37. 20-8, Weiss skating with top 6, they're short a player on bottom six.

And bad news in the hype department...

HBO's crew for 24/7 has arrived and begun shooting practice.

One never knows what these Tweets mean without context:

DeKeyser and Samuelsson have left practice early

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Samuelsson back out there, switched from white to red jersey. Weiss has left early.

Oh, cruel, cruel reality:

Wings wrapping up practice by practicing shootouts.

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Wings 0-4 in shootouts this season. have lost past 7 shootouts at JLA.

The Wings confirmed Khan's injury report...

The whole team is on the ice practicing this morning, including Stephen Weiss and Brendan Smith #RedWings

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Most everybody on the ice practicing this morning, including Stephen Weiss and Brendan Smith; the lone exception being Alfredsson #RedWings

The Detroit News's Ted Kulfan took in practice...

Both Smith and Weiss on ice practicing

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Weiss skating pretty well...maybe closing in on a return here soon

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Crew for 24/7 getting from preliminary taping done at this practice

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Working on the shoot out as practice winds down

As did DetroitRedWings.com's Bill Roose...

Looks like film crews have begun work today here at JLA on @HBO 24/7 series, featuring #RedWings and #MapleLeafs. Begins airing Dec. 14.

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After closer inspection (seems like I need an eye exam), Alfredsson is not practicing with the #RedWings today at JLA.

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At the end of practice the #RedWings are working on shootout drills.

And Roose's "Week Ahead in Hockeytown" sets up a busy week of games, including home games against Nashville tomorrow, against Carolina on Thursday, against Ottawa on Saturday and then a road game in Buffalo on Sunday:

The Red Wings have lost just five games in regulation, the fewest among Eastern Conference teams in the first quarter of the season. But Detroit also leads the league in overtime and shootout losses with seven through 21 games.

While those seven “pity” points aren’t the objective, they have provided the Red Wings with some buoyancy in the Atlantic Division standings. However, the six-game winless streak – and the seven-game home skid – has become a strain in the Wings’ locker room.

“It’s been tough here for us but it’s not like something’s miraculously going to happen for us to get out of this,” Wings goalie Jimmy Howard said. “It’s going to take hard work and the right attitude.”

The Wings are the first NHL club to play in five straight overtime games since the Edmonton Oilers played in seven consecutive in 2003-04. The five games also matches the Wings’ franchise-high for consecutive OT games established in 1996-97 when they posted a 2-1-2 mark.

On the bright side, it seems the Red Wings have found the secondary scoring that’s eluded them this season. Dependent on Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk to carry most of the offensive load, other Red Wings have found the back of the net in the last two games. Johan Franzen has three goals and Darren Helm and Danny DeKeyser have also gotten into the act.

But the Wings need to win in regulation, something they haven’t done in more than two weeks. And Tuesday, the Wings have a shot at ending the skid, and winning their first game at Joe Louis Arena in five weeks, when they host the Nashville Predators.

This week’s foes – Nashville, Carolina, Ottawa and Buffalo – all have five-or-more fewer points than the Red Wings. But more importantly, the Wings will look to put the brakes on two skids, especially at home where they haven’t gone eight straight without a win in 27 years.

Roose continues with detailed previews of each and every one of the Wings' games to come, and the CBC's Tim Wharnsby reminds us that the Canadian media hype machine will be heading to Detroit for Saturday's game:

Daniel Alfredsson will meet his former teammates for the second time at Joe Louis Arena on Saturday, when the Ottawa Senators arrive in Motown to play him and the Detroit Red Wings.

The CBC will air the game as one of three Hockey Night in Canada prime-time broadcasts this upcoming weekend, with Toronto-vs-Washington and Pittsburgh-vs-Montreal serving as the other 7 PM offerings; the nightcap will consist of Chicago-vs-Vancouver.

Via RedWingsFeed, Fox Sports Detroit's Darren Eliot weighed in on the Wings' shootout struggles in an article penned for Michigan Hockey...

The Wings have fallen in three straight shootouts after consecutive OTLs in their previous two games. Taken individually, these outcomes run the gamut of emotions. Against the Dallas Stars and the Washington Capitals, the team had third-period leads, thus feeling as if they let a point in the standings slip away. Against the Tampa Bay Lightning, Winnipeg Jets and N.Y. Islanders, the Wings heroically tied those games up in the third period.

On Long Island Saturday night, Pavel Datsyuk scored with goaltender Jonas Gustavsson on the bench for the extra attacker. What an uplifting moment and a satisfying one at that, with the Red Wings playing the second of back-to-back games. Taken by itself, stealing a point in that situation is an acceptable outcome against a young, aggressive and rested Islanders squad. But in the context of this five-game ripple, securing a point loses a bit of the usual feel-good flavor.

So at the quarter poll of the season, what does it all mean? The team has only five losses in regulation, which is an excellent number through 21 games. Yet, they have just nine regulation or overtime wins (ROW), giving them 25 points in 21 games. That sum underscores the points yielded in extra time, but still leaves the Wings just three points back in the Atlantic Division race and firmly in the top eight – five points clear of the 9th place Ottawa Senators.

All in all, the Wings have survived the second 10-game segment. Yes, a few of those single points via bonus hockey would have them closer to where they envision themselves being in the standings. But, without a few of those third-period rallies, the team would be in a fight just to stay in the top eight of the standings. The OT anomaly that the Wings are currently experiencing is ironic in its timing, with GM Ken Holland presenting a change to the OT format at the recently held GM meetings. Coincidence or karma?

Either way, the Wings can’t wait to break through with a two-point outcome in their favor, regardless of how it comes about.

The Grand Rapids Griffins also offered a slate of promotional and/or charitable Tweets:

Tomorrow is the day you've all been waiting for! Don't miss out on Tip-A-Griffin at @uccellosinc. Details: http://bit.ly/HVScuF  #GoGRG

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Today is the last day to tell @GNyquist why you're his biggest fan in an Instagram video.Winner gets a signed poster: http://instagram.com/p/goYU3BD112/

I don't know what this is about, and I believe that's the point:

If you'll excuse me, I have to cringe even before reading ESPN's Scott Burnside's power rankings...

18. Detroit [record] 9-5-7 [down] 5 Last Week: 13 What to do with a Red Wings team that continues to collect points but not wins? Wings are winless in six and a woeful 3-2-6 at Joe Louis Arena.

Make them sweep the stairs buddy?

Speaking of the Wings' resident stair-sweeper, NHL.com's Matt Sitkoff believes that Darren Helm's current linemate will continue rolling offensively during this upcoming week...

Johan Franzen, Detroit Red Wings (owned in 63 percent of Yahoo Leagues) -- Franzen is back and producing, with five points in three games since his return from an injury. This week is set up for the Red Wings to be successful with four games scheduled -- home games against the Nashville Predators, Carolina Hurricanes and Ottawa Senators, followed by a trip to the Buffalo Sabres. Nashville, Ottawa and Buffalo all rank in the bottom-eight in the League in goals-against per game. Franzen should be owned in 100 percent of leagues now that he is healthy as he is showing great chemistry with another player straight off injured reserve, Darren Helm, and a speedy forward in Tomas Tatar.

And he duly notes that the Wings' cap situation has yielded, well, let's say an "overripe" player skating for the Wings' AHL team:

The Red Wings are struggling to find a consistent scoring threat from their top-six forward group while on their AHL team in Grand Rapids Gustav Nyquist, who had five points in the Red Wings' 2013 Stanley Cup Playoff run, has 21 points in 15 AHL games.

In the, "This is just weird" department, Puck Daddy's Greg Wyshynski posited an article regarding "NHL Comfy Throws," and they are indeed terrifying (and the "Comfy Throw" retails for $24.95):

 

This Tweet from the NHL simply makes me feel sad:

Fedor Tyutin scored the 48th goal of his NHL career, passing Vladimir Konstantiov (47) for the 9th most all-time among Russian-born d-men.

I try to avoid posting practice reports until injury statuses are clarified because I believe that spreading panic is simply irresponsible. So MLive's Khan's post-practice news is nothing less than essential in terms of reducing freakage outage...

Alfredsson (groin) skated a little bit after practice. Said he feels better but status for tomorrow will be determined tomorrow.

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Smith said he expects to play tomorrow.

And the same is true for the Free Press's Helene St. James' post-practice Tweets:

Daniel Alfredsson ( groin) skated on own, said may play Tue when Ted Wings host Nashville.

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Red Wings D Brendan Smith back in lineup for Nashville

Now it's time for me to hit, "Submit entry" as Wings coach Mike Babcock offers the final word on the team's injuries. From Khan...

Babcock said DeKeyser was feeling sick but he'll play tomorrow. Alfredsson and Weiss not ready. They'll go with 11 forwards and 7 defense

And St. James:

Babcock said he expects to use 11 forwards and seven D against Nashville, not counting on Alfredsson. #RedWings

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#RedWings D Danny DeKeyser didn't practice, but Mike Babcock said DeKeyser is "just a little sick," expects him to play vs. Nashville Tue

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#RedWings F Stephen Weiss (groin) practiced, said he is shooting to play Thursday vs. Carolina

Update #0.25: Here's a little more from Kulfan...

Weiss is shooting for the end of the week...Alfie a game-time decision again, although it looks doubtful as Babcock is planning on...

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with 11 F's and 7 D's....DeKeyser ill today...Smith definitley playing.

And Roose:

Mike Babcock said the #RedWings will dress 11 forwards and 7 defensemen tomorrow vs. @PredsNHL at JLA.

Update #0.5: Hockey's Future praised Red Wings prospect Anthony Mantha in its "On the Rush" feature for November:

Anthony Mantha, LW – Val-d’or Foreurs (QMJHL)
Drafted by the Detroit Red Wings
1st Round, 20th overall in 2012

Mantha is having a record-breaking season in the QMJHL. Only months after a career season when he finished with 89 points in 67 games, the Quebec native is currently on pace to shatter that mark. In 23 games played, he has 24 goals (eight power play and four shorthanded), 30 assists, along with an 18-percent shooting percentage. He currently leads the league in scoring and was named the TELUS first star of the month for October.

Detroit recently signed the right winger to an entry-level contract. Fans in the Motor City are excited for the day he joins the club, but will have to wait until at least this off-season. A pure goal-scorer, he simply knows where and when to be in the offensive zone. Thus far, his consistency has been great. It will be interesting to see how Mantha responds to a slump.

Update #0.75: From the Wings:

Student/Military Rush tix available for tomorrow! Just $15 Upper/$45 Lower singles at 313-471-7575 & JLA Box Office. SR by @MichiganFirstCU

Update #0.8: From St. James:

Per Ken Holland, #RedWings D Danny DeKeyser has flu. Team hopeful DeKeyser can play Tue vs. Nashville.

Update #0.9: If you really want to read the Macomb Daily's Frank Costello's profile of L'Anse Creuse grad, Chesterfield Township native and Washington Capitals defenseman Steve Olesky's visit to Joe Louis Arena this past Friday, you may do so on your own.

Update #1: Here's St. James' practice report:

Smith is expected to be one of seven defensemen the Detroit Red Wings will use Tuesday, when they host the Nashville Predators (7:30 p.m., FS-Plus). Coach Mike Babcock said today he expects to have only 11 forwards available. Daniel Alfredsson has missed two games with a sore groin, and while he didn't rule himself out after skating on his own after practice, teams tend to err on precaution's side when it comes to groins. Forward Stephen Weiss, also dealing with a groin, is hopeful to play by the end of the week.

Defenseman Danny DeKeyser sat out practice today because "he was a little sick," Babcock said.

The Wings are looking to overturn an overall six-game winless streak and a six-game winless streak at Joe Louis Arena. The Wings haven't won a game since Nov. 2 in Edmonton, which happens to be the game in which Smith got hurt. Babcock made a point of that, noting that while Jonathan Ericsson and Johan Franzen also were out for parts of that stretch, Smith's value on the back end shouldn't be overlooked.

"We were rolling along, winning, Smitty got hurt, and we didn't win," Babcock said. "Now you can say, 'Oh, Big E was out and Mule was out.' But it just goes to show you: Your back end has got to be able to move the puck for you. Smitty can move the puck."

The problem has been Smith's inefficiency without the puck. He's a minus-7 after 11 games, with just one assist. He was a healthy scratch in the fifth game of the season, after racking up a minus-4. It didn't go over well within the organization when Smith said that that rating wasn't because there had been a breakdown on his side. It went over much better when Smith, speaking in Winnipeg two days after he hurt his shoulder, said he would spend the recovery time studying.

Smith zeroed in especially on Niklas Kronwall, whose game benefited from a decade spent playing with Nicklas Lidstrom.

"I was focusing on some of the plays Kronwall would make and how he jumped up in the rush," Smith said. "I like how Nik can have such a good gap at all times. He makes it very efficient for himself that way. When he has good gap, obviously, nobody is going to beat him. There's little tricks that he's learned from Lidstrom that I'm picking up as I play more and watch him more. He's very patient with the puck, and that's something that I want to bring into my game, be a little bit more poised with the puck and maybe take that extra second and make the better play, don't try to rush things."

Update #1.5: St. James posted a video of Smith, Niklas Kronwall and Mike Babcock discussed Smith's imminent return:

Update #2: MLive's Ansar Khan offers a practice update...

The Detroit Red Wings will dress 11 forwards and seven defensemen for Tuesday’s game against the Nashville Predators at Joe Louis Arena, coach Mike Babcock said today after practice. That’s because forwards Daniel Alfredsson (groin) and Stephen Weiss (groin) aren’t ready to return, but defenseman Brendan Smith (shoulder) has been cleared.

Weiss, who’s missed four games, was on the ice Monday for about half of practice, before leaving. Alfredsson, out the past two games, skated briefly after practice.

“Last couple of days there’s been improvement,’’ Alfredsson said. “See how it is tomorrow.’’

Defenseman Danny DeKeyser left midway through practice due to flu-like symptoms but Babcock expects him to play Tuesday.

The Red Wings (9-5-7) will try to snap a six-game winless streak (0-1-5) and a seven-game home winless skid (0-1-6). Detroit has not won at Joe Louis Arena since Oct. 15 (2-1 vs. Columbus). The Predators (9-9-2) are coming off a 7-2 victory at home over the Chicago Blackhawks. They had lost their previous four games.

Smith returns after missing six games.

“I want to be able to help defensively, give more legs, more speed on the back end, move the puck to the forwards a little quicker,’’ Smith said. “Hopefully after that maybe help out offensively, too.’’

And he offers the following practice lines up front:

Henrik Zetterberg-Pavel Datsyuk-Todd Bertuzzi

Johan Franzen-Darren Helm-Tomas Tatar

Daniel Cleary-Joakim Andersson-Mikael Samuelsson

Drew Miller-Justin Abdelkader

The Hockey News's Ken Campbell offers a doofy statement regarding Ken Holland's distaste for shootouts:

Those who would like to see the impact of the shootout minimized are getting a fair bit of ammunition provided to them this season. After Sunday night’s games, there had already been 49 shootouts in 308 games, which would put the league on pace for a total of 196 shootouts this season, the most since the skills competition was introduced in 2005-06.

There’s a sense among some observers that the shootout has run its course. But anyone expecting commissioner Gary Bettman to relent is dreaming. The shootout, it appears, is here to stay. Which is why people such as Detroit Red Wings GM Ken Holland are advocating for a period of 3-on-3 to decide things before the shootout. (Actually, it might have something to do with the fact that his team is 0-4 in shootouts this season, too.)

The shootout is a gimmick to be sure, but isn’t 3-on-3 as well? What is this, the annual Podunk Minor Hockey Tournament? How often do you see teams playing 3-on-3?

It has long been the opinion of this corner that a better solution would be to make a win of any kind – regulation, overtime or shootout – worth two points and a loss of any kind worth zero. Take away the comfort of a guaranteed point and you’ll see teams be more aggressive in overtime.

Holland hates shootouts, period.

Update #3: Via RedWingsFeed, here's the Detroit News's Ted Kulfan's practice article:

Brendan Smith feels healthy and is ready to come back Tuesday when the Red Wings entertain Nashville. The shoulder injury, which forced him to miss the last six games, has improved. But, wait, there is one thing.

"Everything but the feet," said Smith, who was testing skates during Monday's practice. "New skates. Everything else has been pretty good. I feel like I’m eight years old again," said Smith, noting the sore feet.

New skates notwithstanding, Smith will be back in the lineup -- and he’s been looking forward to it.

"Absolutely," Smith said. "I haven't had any setback in quite some time. I've been shooting, hitting, battling (in practice) -- everything feels good."

Smith has one assist in 11 games, a minus-7 rating, and is averaging 18:13 of ice time. Smith paid attention to veteran defenseman Niklas Kronwall during the time he was out of the lineup, trying to learn how Kronwall plays his position.

"I like how Nik can always have a good gap at all time; he makes it really efficient for himself," Smith said about his spacing against attacking forwards. "Nobody is going to beat him with that gap, and there are tricks he's learned from (Nicklas) Lidstrom. I want to be a little more poised with the puck and take that extra second to make a better play and not rush things. That's when you get into trouble."

Also:

Update #4: Andreas Athanasiou celebrated sighing his 3-year, entry-level contract with the Wings by getting in a fight on Sunday, and if you want to watch it, Hockeyfights posted it.

Update #5: Oh joy, more power rankings, this time from TSN's Scott Cullen, who seems to believe that the Wings are DOOMED, DOOMED, DOOMED!

This Week 16 Last Week 17 Detroit Red Wings 9-5-7

Winless in six sounds worse than it really is, since the Wings have accumulated points in five of those six games, but a seven-game home winless streak is a problem for a team that had hopes of being a contender.
Key Injuries: C Stephen Weiss (groin).

And CBS Sports' Brian Stubits:

19 Red Wings [down 5, last week 14] Overtime points or not, a loss is a loss, and the Red Wings have lost six in a row and have won just three of 11 at home all season.

 

Update #6: DetroitRedWings.com's Bill Roose changed things up, comparing UFA signing Danny DeKeyser with 2013 4th draft pick and Nashville Predators defenseman Seth Jones:

“They’re both gifted players,” Wings goalie Jimmy Howard said. “Both have taken different routes to getting where they are. There’s no wrong way. If you’re going to make it to the NHL, you’re going to make it. Both of them deserve all the praise they’ve gotten this year. Seth Jones, I met him over the summer at the (Olympic) orientation camp. He’s a good kid, humble, just like Danny. Two very special players.”

DeKeyser’s path sent the Warren, Mich., native through the junior ranks in western Canada and eventually to Western Michigan University. He wasn’t drafted and it wasn’t until after his third season with the Broncos that he became a highly-sought commodity as a rookie free agent last April.

“I don’t think anyone ever considered Dan DeKeyser in the class with Jones, so that’s a compliment to him,” Wings coach Mike Babcock said. “But DK is a guy who took a totally different route.”

Jones was ranked No. 1 by some NHL clubs, but ended up falling to the Predators at No. 4 in the June draft. He was among three Americans taken in the first round and has been compared to future hall-of-fame defenseman Chris Pronger. DeKeyser didn’t draw the same comparisons.

“I said to DK, ‘Why did you go to Trail [of the British Columbia Hockey League]?’ Because no one wanted him,” Babcock said. “He told me when he got to the U.S. junior league he started as the third defenseman and ended as the sixth. ‘Why did you go to Western?’ It was the only place that wanted him. That’s been the story, where Jones has been a star from the get-go. It’s now that DeKeyser has taken off so much that he’s putting himself in a different class.”

When the Red Wings signed DeKeyser last spring, they liked him for his ability to be a stay-at-home, shutdown-type of defenseman. The 6-foot-3 DeKeyser is a smooth skater who uses is long reach to baffle opposing puck-handlers. But lately, he has gained more confidence on the offensive end of the rink, where he has produced two goals and six assists in the last 10 games.

“I think his confidence is getting better and better and I think he’s realizing too what he’s capable of,” Niklas Kronwall said. “When he came in he was so solid for us at both ends, but I think now he just feels confident enough to join the rush too. He’s really good in our own zone, making that tape-to-tape pass and now he’s joining the rush and being really affective for us whether it’s on the PP or just 5-on-5 creating chances. He’s a real good player out there, so it’s great to see him and we need that from him.”

Roose continues at length, also addressing the Wings' shootout struggles and injuries.

Update #7: in a mid-afternoon-posted article, MLive's Ansar Khan looks at the Wings' shootout struggles:

“We’ve done it every day; we’ve done a shootout for I don’t know how many days,’’ coach Mike Babcock said. “Why? Because the elephant in the room is we haven’t scored in the shootout. I mean, your goalie is standing at the end and … they have to go O-fer. We have to score some goals for the goalie.”

The Red Wings have converted only 1-of-12 shootouts attempts (8.3 percent). That was by Daniel Alfredsson, who is 1-for-2. Pavel Datsyuk and Todd Bertuzzi, usually two of the better players in the league in shootouts, are both 0-for-4. Henrik Zetterberg and Johan Franzen both are 0-for-1.

Defenseman Niklas Kronwall senses a lack of confidence in shootouts.

“But I think that’s something that we’re beginning to work on in practice now and I think that helps,’’ Kronwall said. “Believing in yourself and sticking to what you’ve been doing and eventually it’s going to work out and it’s going to be good in the long run.”

Defenseman Brendan Smith would like a chance to take part in a shootout. The only way that will happen, however, is if there is an extended shootout – really extended.

“When I was with Grand Rapids I was one of the top three shooters, so I’ve always been a pretty good shooter,’’ Smith said. “But, obviously, we’ve got way better shooters on our team from world-class players. It’s something that we haven’t worked on in the last couple of years because it comes so natural for some of our players. But the game has adapted; goalies are getting better with recognizing players. So just going out there at the end of practice and doing that is good for everybody.”

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Per Ken Holland, #RedWings D Danny DeKeyser has flu

Hey, you know KH there are these fancy new medical things - I’m not sure of the exact technical term - but I’ve heard them called FLU SHOTS!

WTH?

Posted by AZWinger on 11/18/13 at 04:13 PM ET

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Posted by AZWinger on 11/18/13 at 03:13 PM ET

Kenny’s also not a doctor, so just because he says he has the flu, it doesn’t neccessarily mean he has the flu.  He could just be using a generic term to describe any number of viral infections that cause flu like symptoms, none of which a flu shot protects against.

I’m all for pitchforks and torches when it comes Holland, but lets keep to groussing about stuff he can control, like poor personnel decisions and cap management.

Posted by Hootinani on 11/18/13 at 04:48 PM ET

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Holland hates shootouts, period.

Doesn’t everyone by now?  This isn’t just a Detroit thing since we’ve routinely sucked at them… but hasn’t the shine faded around the whole idea?  At least when it was brand new it was a bit exciting… but now having games decided by these things is just dumb and cheap seeming.

Oh joy, more power rankings, this time from TSN’s Scott Cullen, who seems to believe that the Wings are DOOMED, DOOMED, DOOMED!

Winless in six sounds worse than it really is, since the Wings have accumulated points in five of those six games, but a seven-game home winless streak is a problem for a team that had hopes of being a contender.

Hell, I don’t think Cullen sounded all that gloom and doomy, and certainly not anywhere near as much so as George himself has sounded after games.  I’d say Cullen’s spot on with his general analysis.

As far as the roster goes, I really hope Smith is able to come back and not suck.  Getting Lashoff off the ice and vastly improving the offense from that slot would be a timely change.

It’s the Christmas season.  Call it a wish straight to Santa.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/18/13 at 05:59 PM ET

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Hell, I don’t think Cullen sounded all that gloom and doomy

Not to mention that the Power Ranking are about fantasy hockey leagues.

When your team is losing and goalies aren’t getting any points and your team isn’t scoring well, you’re not going to be ranked all that well in fantasy terms.

Posted by Garth on 11/18/13 at 07:57 PM ET

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And the Mantha Ray scores the game winner in the Subway series! 1 G, 1 A +3 for the Wings’ top prospect in the first tournament game against the Ruskys. Can’t wait until this 6’ 5” beast gets a shot on the big club!

Posted by IMOrthodox13 on 11/18/13 at 11:04 PM ET

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As far as the roster goes, I really hope Smith is able to come back and not suck.  Getting Lashoff off the ice and vastly improving the offense from that slot would be a timely change.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/18/13 at 04:59 PM ET

Because Lashoff being a solid defensive defenseman is the problem?

 

Posted by RedMenace from the Church of Jesus Lashoff on 11/18/13 at 11:20 PM ET

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Because Lashoff being a solid defensive defenseman is the problem?

I’d rather have Lashoff as a dependable bottom pairing guy with Kindl than have Smith making boneheaded defensive plays every chance he gets.

Posted by Garth on 11/18/13 at 11:40 PM ET

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I’d rather have Lashoff as a dependable bottom pairing guy with Kindl than have Smith making boneheaded defensive plays every chance he gets.

Posted by Garth on 11/18/13 at 10:40 PM ET

I’d also rather have Almqvuist or Oullett out there instead of Smith on the blue line.  Possibly even Sproul.

Posted by Primis on 11/19/13 at 12:34 AM ET

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The team can’t compel a player to get a flu shot if he doesn’t want one.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/19/13 at 01:38 AM ET

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Posted by Primis on 11/18/13 at 11:34 PM ET

I don’t disagree at all, I was just going with the guys who we wouldn’t have to make roster moves to accomodate.

Posted by Garth on 11/19/13 at 10:06 AM ET

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Because Lashoff being a solid defensive defenseman is the problem?

No, I’d say the problem is in you thinking Lashoff’s “a solid defensive defenseman”.

He’s a mediocre defensive player and an abysmal offensive player.  That tends to be the hallmark of guys who get undeserving amounts of praise for their defense.  They’re so terrible offensively they don’t even make the first effort on that end of the ice.  90+% of the time they sit back so yeah, they look like they’re in position a lot.

Because they’re only playing half the game.

Also, Lashoff gets to be hidden and played against depth opposition as much as possible.  I wouldn’t want Lashoff out there against top 6 opposition ever.  Not ever.

It’s not random chance that this alleged ‘solid defensive defenseman’ is played less on the PK than any other regular dman besides Smith and Kindl, guys who are abjectly poor defensive players right now, and that in games where the blueline is relatively healthy he doesn’t play back there much at all on the PK.

Lashoff’s a zero ceiling guy whose mere presence on Detroit’s blueline is an admission to the lack of talent there.  I’d take a whole bunch of #6’s (and even a couple 7’s) from Detroit’s past over him.  Meech, Lebda, Lilja, Woolley, Rivers, Colaiacovo, Janik, Commodore… give me any or all of those guys over Lashoff all day, every day. 

Well, maybe not Rivers.  That guy’s probably a toss up.  The rest of them?  All over Lashoff.  Lashoff’s getting a rep bump because compared to guys like Smith and Kindl (and even Quincey) who throw up all over themselves out on the ice while trying to play two ways, Lashoff doesn’t get humiliated defensively, although that’s all he’s trying to accomplish.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/19/13 at 12:22 PM ET

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Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/19/13 at 11:22 AM ET

Good rant, but Lashoff at #6 is no worse than Smith at #6.

Lashoff has no offensive upside, but so what?  He’s a depth defenseman.

Smith is a mediocre offensive defenseman and garbage defensively.

Last year Lashoff had 5 points to Smith’s 8 points and this year they both have 1 point.  Offensively Smith isn’t exactly Paul Coffey compared to Lashoff, but defensively Lashoff being mediocre, in your words, puts hims head and shoulders above Smith.

Smith may have potential, but at this point in there careers having Smith in the lineup doesn’t make the team any better than having Lashoff in the lineup.

Posted by Garth on 11/19/13 at 01:00 PM ET

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I thought compelling was for vampires and witches.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/19/13 at 11:22 AM ET

No, I’d say the problem is in you thinking…

I’d say that applies pretty well to you too.

He’s a mediocre defensive player and an abysmal offensive player.  That tends to be the hallmark of guys who get undeserving amounts of praise…

You should reread your defense of Sammy. You will see that your statement applies there too.

Because they’re only playing half the game.

Half of the game is still more than NONE of the game. Yet you still raise a chorus for the 30 goal scorer who gets looked over night after night.

If Lashoff is playing that says terrible things about Sammy who could fill in at 12 different spots compared to one for Lashoff.

Also, Lashoff gets to be hidden and played against depth opposition as much as possible.  I wouldn’t want Lashoff out there against top 6 opposition ever.  Not ever.

On which team do the seventh d-men get played against the oppositions top line all game long? Which on? huh? Come on?

abjectly

Do you know what that word means? Because it’s not used in the way you used it.

...and that in games where the blueline is relatively healthy he doesn’t play back there much at all on the PK.

That’s if an argument was based on the statistics from the recent Islander’s game. Going on stats, because rarely do you go on watching games, you will find that since about the win over Philly up to the Islander game Lashoff has actually been one of the top four PK d-men - with the exception of an odd game or two. Usually his PK ice time comes out third or forth on the team - Rig, Dekeyser and Q are, typically, the top three.

Sooooo, based on your position, Lashoff is actually a better defender than….wait for it….than Kronwall. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Lashoff’s a zero ceiling guy…

You mean a zero ceiling guy who got all the way to the NHL.

...whose mere presence on Detroit’s blueline is an admission to the lack of talent there.

Have you looked down the pipe line of this team? I’m curious, without looking it up name three d-men prospects in the Wing’s system.

Well, maybe not Rivers.

What!?!?! Why not? Why not put yourself out there and show us how Rivers is a better D-man than Lashoff. After you do that I’ll explain to you how the reanimated body of Guy Lafleur can score more goals this season than Sammy.

I don’t understand how HinHD can complain incessantly about George being over dramatic and hypercritical when posts like the one above (plus thousands of others). Is this comical, hells yes. Will they keep coming, I hope so.

Personally, I like Lashoff. He’s yet another example of how excessive hard work can still get someone from completely off the radar, with mediocre talent to the highest place in a career. He should be an inspiration to us rather than a whipping boy. Heck, he’s one of Holland’s boys from nowhere making the big show.

Come on, slow clap for Brian.

Clap. Clap. Clap.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 11/19/13 at 06:24 PM ET

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You should reread your defense of Sammy.

Which defense is that?

Do you know what that word means? Because it’s not used in the way you used it.

You even get to pick and choose the things you try to be a pedant about and you still get them wrong.  Impressive.

Have you looked down the pipe line of this team? I’m curious, without looking it up name three d-men prospects in the Wing’s system.

You don’t understand my point.

I don’t understand how HinHD can complain incessantly about George being over dramatic and hypercritical

You don’t understand what I’ve said.

Sooooo, based on your position, Lashoff is actually a better defender than….wait for it….than Kronwall.

You don’t understand my position.

He should be an inspiration to us rather than a whipping boy.

Tugs at the heart strings.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/19/13 at 07:04 PM ET

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Which defense is that?

Oh, you’re right. You never said he would score 30 goals this season. You never disagreed with his benching this season. You never saw his history of injuries. All of these things you lead you to never claim that he is deserving of a spot in the top six. Wow, you must live on planet temporary amnesia where it’s absolutely fine to disregard anything you’ve said in the past….either that or you are actually the Mayor of Toronto. Please be the Mayor. Please be the Mayor. Please be the Mayor.

You even get to pick and choose the things you try to be a pedant about and you still get them wrong.  Impressive.

Ohh, sorry massa. Yo’s dah rit un. I’s talkin’ outta me place. Did’ent means no disrespt, ser.

You don’t understand my point…You don’t understand what I’ve said…You don’t understand my position.

[sigh]. Tantrum much?

Tugs at the heart strings.

Owe! Ohhh! Eeee! Ooooo! that one, it hurts. It hurts bad. I’m about to die.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 11/21/13 at 06:10 PM ET

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Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/19/13 at 06:04 PM ET

Oh yeah, thanks for not making me have to use some creative language to explain that whole Lafleur thing. You avoiding that point, and well actually all of my points, saved me. That could have been an incredible rabbit to pull from my ass.

BTW, do you have any experience pulling things from asses? I could use some advice.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 11/21/13 at 06:14 PM ET

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