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Red Wings mid-day news: small consolation, off-season plans and could’a, would’a, DeKeyser

Updated 2x at 2:11 PM: If there is any consolation in the Chicago Blackhawks' Stanley Cup win last night, the Free Press's Helene St. James suggests that, after two years' worth of, "You need to be gigantic, strong and proficient at muck-and-grind, dump-and-not-chase hockey to win the Cup" suggestions, a smaller, speedier, puck possession team win the Cup...

And St. James feels that the Hawks' win "validates" the Wings' style of play:

The Blackhawks embody skill, top to bottom. Like the Wings with Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg, they are headlined up front by a pair of superbly talented players in Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane. Chicago's defense is anchored by Duncan Keith, whose style is in the mold of Nicklas Lidstrom.

Right on down through the fourth line — populated by the likes of Andrew Shaw, Michael Frolik, Marcus Kruger and Viktor Stalberg — the Blackhawks fielded players who belong in the NHL, not bubble players doing little but killing time while the top lines get some rest.

The Blackhawks' run — which also included dispatching the big Los Angeles Kings — is good for hockey. It's good for the Wings, who, next season, will be in a division with Boston Bruins, a team that's considered the biggest and the baddest. After Chicago defenseman Brent Seabrook's playoff-best 80 hits, the next five defensemen all wear Boston sweaters. Bruins forward Milan Lucic led all NHL players with 102 hits, 17 more than runner-up Bryan Bickell of Chicago. The Blackhawks hit more where it counted: the back of the net.

Sure the Bruins were banged up —Patrice Bergeron had a broken rib and torn cartilage and a separated shoulder; Nathan Horton had a dislocated shoulder; probably every single player had a need for an ice pack, to varying degrees. But the Blackhawks didn't come through unscathed, either: Marian Hossa had a disk in his back that was causing nerve problems, numbing his right foot. Bickell had a sprained knee; Michal Handzus, a broken wrist and torn MCL. Toews got his bell rung in Game 5, according to his coach, Joel Quenneville, and for a while, he looked doubtful for Game 6. That just proved what everyone who watches hockey already knows: NHL players are the toughest in pro sports.

The whole playoffs also proved this: Big isn't necessarily better. The Anaheim Ducks have some very big forwards, but where was Corey Perry in the first-round series against Detroit? And where was Bobby Ryan? To those hankering for the Wings to trade for Ryan: It's not happening. They were not impressed by his competitiveness.

That's good to hear given his salary...And then there's this:

The Blackhawks did, of course, also beat the Wings, but the Wings were the only team that pushed Chicago to seven games. Had the Wings been a little healthier — like maybe having mobile defenseman Danny DeKeyser available — who knows what might have happened?

Somewhat ironically, via RedWingsFeed, Fox Sports Detroit's Dana Wakiji hapened to wonder what DeKeyser's presence might have meant for the Wings...

What if rookie defenseman Danny DeKeyser hadn't gotten hurt in Game 2 against the Anaheim Ducks? Could he have made the difference against the Blackhawks? Could that have been them in the Finals beating the Boston Bruins instead?

And she spoke with Niklas Kronwall, Wings coach Mike Babcock, Griffins coach Jeff Blashill and a certain Wings player mentor regarding DeKeyser's growth and long-term potential (and this is just a chunk thereof):

"He's the kind of kid, he's got great hockey sense, whether it was good coaching or he's just a flat-out smart player," Chelios said. "From the first game to the third game, he improved every game. Does everything -- nothing especially great but everything really good. Hopefully, at some point, the offense will kick in, too."

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There's one thing, however, Chelios did as a player that DeKeyser doesn't plan to emulate -- riding the exercise bike in the sauna.

"I've seen some guys do that, but I'm not a big fan of that," DeKeyser said. It's just as well because even though DeKeyser's 6 feet 2 inches tall, he's a very lean 190 pounds.

"He's not meaty enough yet," Chelios said. "Physically, obviously they want him to be stronger, just because the NHL is going to be bigger and stronger. That'll come. It's not like he doesn't play strong. You can't knock him off his feet. On skates he's really strong."

 


In trade talk, given the chatter from St. James, MLive's Ansar Khan and the Macomb Daily's Chuck Pleiness over the past 24 hours, WXYZ's Brad Galli wins the "obvious Tweet of the day" award...

Even if the Wings can work out some sort of sign-and-trade deal, I'm guessing that they'll get a middle-round draft pick (i.e. 3rd, 4th or 5th round) for his rights, and in all honesty, I don't believe that he would have fetched anything more than that at the trade deadline. A 2nd-rounder? Possibly, but I don't think that the Wings' decision to hang on to Filppula hurt them in terms of landing an NHL player as the rest of the NHL knew that Detroit wasn't going to be able to re-sign him.

Speaking of trade chatter, the Fourth Period more or less reiterated St. James' report..

The Red Wings are exploring the trade market and GM Ken Holland is hoping to pull the trigger on at least one deal dealing up to this weekend's NHL Draft.

Holland has been actively trying to re-sign some of his main free agents, but he's also been focused on the trade wire, as he looks to improve his roster for next season.

"I'm going to explore a trade or two," Holland told the Detroit Free Press. "Maybe a two-for-one deal, maybe a three-for-one, or three-for-two."

The Wings are looking for upgrades up front, and are willing to part with multiple forwards in order to get one back.

Meanwhile, if the Red Wings are unable to come to terms on a new contract with Valtteri Filppula, the Free Press claims the team will trade his rights. Filppula, 29, is schedule to become an unrestricted free agent July 5.

And as I was writing this, WXYZ's Galli filed a report as well:

Thanks to the emergence of young talent during the playoffs, Detroit is faced with handling an excess of forwards. In order to trim the roster down, trades may be on the horizon.

Valtteri Filppula is a free agent and seems to be the most likely candidate to go. According to MLive, the 29-year old is seeking a long-term deal worth $5 million a season. After a disappointing 2012-13 season slowed by injuries, Filppula scored nine goals and eight assists in 41 games. The Red Wings may trade his negotiating rights as contract talks are reportedly stalled.

The Red Wings have two compliance buyouts, as part of the new CBA. They can use one or both this summer. Mikael Samuelsson is the most logical choice to be cut loose, but with $3 million and one year left on his contract, the belief is that his camp may argue his pectoral muscle is not healed. Per CBA rules, injured players cannot be bought out.

Todd Bertuzzi is another player who could fit the buyout category, but his cost isn't too expensive at only $2 million. MLive's Ansar Khan said the team will not decide if it will use a buyout until Monday at the earliest.

Joakim Andersson, Gustav Nyquist, and Grand Rapids star Tomas Tatar are all players the Red Wings would like to see in Detroit next season. Darren Helm is projected to return after missing most of the season with a back injury, and Damien Brunner and veteran Daniel Cleary are free agents the team is interested in bringing back - for the right price.

14 forwards are under contract. Cory Emmerton and Jordin Tootoo are potential trade options, with Tootoo being the most likely to be moved. After signing with the Red Wings in the offseason, Tootoo played in just one playoff game, as Mike Babcock elected to play younger talent.

Detroit has a surplus of talent up front, and that, by far is a good problem to have.

 


In the numbers/fan participation/etc. vein, Pavel Datsyuk's goal against Nashville is going to defeat Datsyuk's backhander against Jonathan Quick in TSN's Play of the Year final;

The Free Press wants you to vote in their sports nickname bracket contest;

Sportsline's Brian Stubits reports that Bovada's ranked the Wings' odds of winning the Stanley Cup at 16-1...

And this is shittily late in terms of timing, but Sport-Express's Dinara Kafiskina reports that Igor Larionov, Pavel Bure, Alexei Kasatanov and other Russian NHL and international hockey stars will be raising funds for the Russian ministry of emergency serices today in New York.

 

Update: Fox Sports Detroit's Art Regner's weighs in on the Wings' agenda:

When it comes to the Red Wings, they’d prefer not use any of their compliance buyouts. Instead, they'd like to try to trade a player or two (Carlo Colaiacovo, Jordan Tootoo, Cory Emmerton), trade for a player's rights (Stephen Weiss) and sign some of their own pending free agents (Daniel Cleary and Damien Brunner).  

As far as the Wings and Val Filppula, they’re still talking. If they can't strike a deal with Filppula before the draft, the wings will try to trade his rights. They would then use Filppula’s money to sign a second-line center.

The Wings feel they’re set on the blue line, with seven or eight defensemen – depending on what they do with Colaiacovo – and have 14 forwards under contract, but there are huge health questions regarding three of their forwards. Darren Helm, Todd Bertuzzi and Mikael Samuelsson were injured most of last season, and the Wings aren’t sure what to expect, if anything, from them next season.

There's a lot of speculation that Samuelsson is a strong buyout candidate, but the Wings are hesitant because even though he’s been cleared to play, Samuelsson could protest the buyout, asserting that he’s not eligible because he’s injured.

With 14 forwards already in the fold, the Wings could still sign Filppula, Cleary and Brunner, giving them 17 forwards under contract, which would leave zero cap space and the task of dumping players.

One thing is clear: The Wings would like to have some money to spend, just in case there is a free agent they want to pursue. The Wings want to be proactive, but it appears they’ll be heading into this weekend’s draft with a wait-and-see approach. They will decide what to do with their compliance buyouts after the draft.

The Wings will likely try to unload some of their players over the weekend. They might go after the rights of another team’s players -- always trying to keep the option to go after free agents July 5.

Once the NHL Draft is over, we should get a truer indication of what direction the Wings will go. As it stands now, there are so many variables, it’s like trying to solve a puzzle with too many pieces.


Update #2: He's 6'4," weighs 233 pounds, is all of 27 and he's going to get a lot of money from an NHL team for one good playoff run. His name is Bryan Bickell, and MLive's Ansar Khan examines the possibility that the Wings may target him as an unrestricted free agent:

Strengths: He emerged as a force in the playoffs, realizing some untapped offensive potential by equaling his regular season goal total (nine) in less than half the games. He has tremendous size, which he uses well in a net-front role and battling in the corners and along the boards. A physical player who led the team in hits during the regular season and the playoffs, he also is responsible defensively. A career third-line player who fit in well alongside high-end players on the top line.

Weaknesses: He has no track record as an impact player. Did he just get on a once-in-lifetime hot streak, or is this a sign of things to come? Some team is going to gamble that he is the real deal by giving him a lucrative contract.

Notable: Bickell played for two seasons under Red Wings assistant coach Bill Peters, when he was the head coach of the AHL Rockford IceHogs. … The Blackhawks' second-round pick in 2004 (41st overall), Bickell has played in more AHL games (228) than NHL games (220).

Why he would interest the Red Wings: They had Bickell on their radar long before he caught fire in the playoffs because of his size and untapped offensive potential. But, that was before the hockey world noticed what he is capable of doing, raising his value.

How he could fit in with the Red Wings: He'd be getting paid like a top-six forward, so that is where he would play, providing size, physical play, a net-front presence and secondary scoring.

What it might take to get him: Bickell's timing was impeccable. It's a thin free-agent market and big forwards who can score are always in demand. The Blackhawks want to keep him, but would have to dump salary to do so. Given his age, it wouldn't be surprising to see him get offers exceeding $4 million a season on a long-term contract,

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SK77's avatar

Even if the Wings can work out some sort of sign-and-trade deal, I’m guessing that they’ll get a middle-round draft pick (i.e. 3rd, 4th or 5th round) for his rights, and in all honesty, I don’t believe that he would have fetched anything more than that at the trade deadline. A 2nd-rounder?

If they can still get a 5th rounder for him that’s good enough. A 2nd round pick would have been nice, but trading away Filppula at the deadline might very well have resulted in missing the playoffs altogether.

Building off the run the Wings put together to make the playoffs, beat the Ducks in seven, and almost advance to the Conference Finals, is worth way more than the difference between a 2nd round pick and a 5th.

Posted by SK77 on 06/25/13 at 01:58 PM ET

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gawd ENOUGH with the Blackhawk talk ackkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk sick

Posted by MsRedWingFan from West Michigan hometown of Abdelkader on 06/25/13 at 02:04 PM ET

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If Kenny signs Bickell it’s time for Kenny to be put out to pasture.

Posted by Primis on 06/25/13 at 02:15 PM ET

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If Kenny signs Bickell it’s time for Kenny to be put out to pasture.

wait what? after one of the most over achieving season in two decades? you would want him fired for signing one of the more intriguing free agents out there, large and a proven playoff factor?

thats some interesting criteria to say the least. to my eyes, after watching the Wings go much farther than anticipated, including being by far the hardest test for the eventual cup winners, and watching the farm team win the championship with one savvy draft pick after another, all after striking out on a three year plan to target Suter, Kenny, and Babs too for that matter, seem to be more on their game than ever. Seems like you are just searching for things to complain about.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 06/25/13 at 02:40 PM ET

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wait what? after one of the most over achieving season in two decades? you would want him fired for signing one of the more intriguing free agents out there, large and a proven playoff factor?

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 06/25/13 at 02:40 PM ET

Bickell is this year’s That Guy that’s going to get hugely overpaid to underproduce.

Ken Holland has been striking out a lot lately on free agents and in trades to be honest.  Bickell would probably be the last straw and proof Kenny is just plain out of ideas.

Posted by Primis on 06/25/13 at 02:55 PM ET

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Posted by Primis on 06/25/13 at 02:55 PM ET

Well that’s one way to consider everything negatively.

Posted by SK77 on 06/25/13 at 03:03 PM ET

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Chicago’s defense is anchored by Duncan Keith, whose style is in the mold of Nicklas Lidstrom.

Holy sh1t Helene, can you pass the peace pipe?

 

Bickell? The same with the knee tendon issue? No way. Pass on that guy.

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 06/25/13 at 03:09 PM ET

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That’s good to hear given his salary…

I’m sorry, given his salary?  His cap hit is $5.1M, and that’s for a perennial 30+ goal scorer.  How is that a bad salary?  It’s less than the bigger names like Horton, who aren’t perennial 30+ goal scorers, are going to command. 

trading away Filppula at the deadline might very well have resulted in missing the playoffs altogether.

Yeah, sure, because his three points post-deadline were really integral for the Wings?

Kenny, and Babs too for that matter, seem to be more on their game than ever.

I’m not advocating Holland’s firing, but how do you figure the fact that Babcock was able to wring every last ounce out of the team he was given reflects well on Holland?  He missed out on Suter and panic-signed Colaiacovo, who probably won’t be a Wing this season.  He signed Tootoo who was a complete non-factor and probably won’t be a Wing this season.  He brought back Samuelsson, who was comletely useless for the five minutes he was healthy, and may well not be a Wing this season (hopefully).  There’s a very good chance that all three of his off-season signings will be gone by puck drop on opening day. 

On top of that, he’s still trying to re-sign Filppula who has proven time and again that he’s not what they want him to be, and if he can’t re-sign Val he’s going to try to overpay for a replacement for Val that isn’t needed, rather than going hard to fill an actual need that they have.  Oh, and he looked past the completely uselessness of Cleary for the entirety of the regular season and is trying desperately to re-sign him in hopes that his playoff this year was anything more than a dead cat bounce.  Oh, and the youth movement that he’s “embraced”?  That only exists because the Red Wings were hit by an injury Mac truck.

But he did sign a college kid who wanted to play in Detroit who looks like he’s going to be the real deal.

Again, I’m not saying he needs to be fired, but to say that he’s more on his game than ever is ridiculous…

Posted by Garth on 06/25/13 at 03:16 PM ET

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If Kenny signs Bickell it’s time for Kenny to be put out to pasture.

Posted by Primis on 06/25/13 at 02:15 PM ET

You’re an idiot.

Posted by Probie4Prez on 06/25/13 at 03:39 PM ET

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You’re an idiot.

Posted by Probie4Prez on 06/25/13 at 03:39 PM ET

Thank you for your contribution.

That felt good to say that, did it not?

Now what shall we discuss?

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 06/25/13 at 03:45 PM ET

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Exactly, Holland’s worth is in his roster design.  Every move he made last summer he’s about to have to undo.  And how many of us said, use that money on someone else and let the kids play.  Kenny is luckier than a 3-legged billygoat that his players and coach have too much pride to lose.  But to say it was KH’s evil genius as the catalyst for our success is misleading.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 06/25/13 at 03:57 PM ET

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Yeah, sure, because his three points post-deadline were really integral for the Wings?

C’mon, Garth.  You don’t honestly believe his only contributions were goals and assists, do you?  I rip on him regularly, but he does play a good shutdown game and his FO% is outstanding.  I don’t know that we could have filled that slot with a rookie and had the same results.  It’s not unreal to think his contributions were necessary for the playoff berth

On top of that, he’s still trying to re-sign Filppula

False.

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 06/25/13 at 03:59 PM ET

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Holy sh1t Helene, can you pass the peace pipe?

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 06/25/13 at 03:09 PM ET

Somebody seriously needs to give St. James an intervention. She’s completely lost it the last couple months.
As for Holland I see both sides so I don’t think he’s bad but I sure don’t see how he’s as good as the media thinks. It’ll be interesting to see how he plays his next hand. If he signs Weiss I’ll be ornery. If he signs a power forward I won’t be.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 06/25/13 at 04:01 PM ET

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Filpulla’s last real contributions were during the winning streak out west.  After that he was a non-factor save for one game en route to the playoffs.  Between Andersson, Pav, Hank and Mule.. maybe Helm.. we’re ok in the face-off circle without Flip.  Wasn’t particularly great skill wise this year, didn’t compete at the same level as opposition routinely, didn’t contribute on the score-board.  Drinking Pina Colada’s at pool-parties.  I’d have much rather moved him before the deadline for some more picks in this deep draft. 

To say teams now would pay the same price for nego rights as they would’ve before the trade-deadline for a top 6 center/winger is laughable.  Especially when Kenny Holland is telling everyone and their brother that prices are too high to make moves.

Same goes for White.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 06/25/13 at 04:05 PM ET

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Painful to say as I have proudly been one of many immature, die-hard Red Wings fans on Kukla’s Korner since its very first two days of inception years ago, but all hats off to the BlackHawks. 

They are a team that always managed to get the timely goal when their back was against the wall, a group of men who refused to lose.  This happened several times against Detroit in the regular season as the Wings carried a one goal lead late into the 3rd period, even under one minute remaining, but the Hawks worked their azzes off to get the tying goal and win in OT.

Similarly in the playoffs they overcame that 3-1 games lead, which every Detroit fan had the good sense NOT to call insurmountable.  Last night’s Cup winning Game 6 fittingly lived up to their identity, another last minute clutch goal to tie with their own net empty, followed by smothering pressure and a skate-to-throat mentality to finish off the opposition.

Start to finish they were the Elite of the NHL this year and no one else was at their level.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 06/25/13 at 04:31 PM ET

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Helene St James is an embarrassment, she has no credibility whatsoever.  She is a Red Wing and Ken Holland PR person.  Every single article she writes is a Red Wing puff piece, just transcribing the latest meme that the organization wants to spew.  The Blackhawks are a better team than Detroit top to bottom, they are bigger and faster, they deserved to win.  I love Dekeyser, but to believe he would’ve made a difference against the Hawks is absurd but people actually believe this crap.

Posted by bababooey on 06/25/13 at 04:34 PM ET

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The Blackhawks are a better team than Detroit top to bottom, they are bigger and faster, they deserved to win.  I love Dekeyser, but to believe he would’ve made a difference against the Hawks is absurd but people actually believe this crap.

Posted by bababooey on 06/25/13 at 04:34 PM ET

Detroit missed the chance to close the series right about when Blackhawks captain was acting hysterical. After that - yes, Chicago was bigger and better. No ‘killer instinct’, DeKeyser or not, but we already knew that.

Posted by detroitredwings on 06/25/13 at 05:12 PM ET

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How quickly you forget that Boston wanted both Fil and Cleary to keep up with the Pitt arms race.  When KH said no, the B’s promptly shipped a 1st rounder to Dallas for Jagr.

To suggest KH couldn’t have gotten more than a 3rd to 5th rounder for Fil is ridiculous. Chicago wanted him, Anaheim wanted him, Pitt wanted him before making all those other moves, NYR could have used him, etc.

As it turned out, though, I’m happy with the nonmove since I have always liked Fil. But KH mostly got lucky on that, too. A 3rd period stinker in game 48 and there would have been almost universal displeasure with him for not moving Fil and Cleary and White, like many of us wanted, at the trade deadline.

Posted by jkm2011 on 06/25/13 at 05:15 PM ET

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Would the Wings be interested in Vincent Lecavalier, as TB will almost certainly buy him out?

At 6-4 215 he certainly fits the bigger forward idea, although not a tough physical guy I think that’s secondary.

A career 0.9 ppg guy, 33 is not old, more in his prime.  6 times a double digit “minus” guy on some pretty crappy teams, although a “plus” player in the playoffs.

Would likely cost Zetterberg-level money of $6M.  No Fil, try to jettison Sammy’s $3M, there’s $6M off last season’s payroll, and going to fill remainder of roster with Griffins anyway.  May not need worry about matching a higher Brunner salary in that case.

Been very reliable, not injury prone, plays almost every game every year.

Expensive, but who of the elite forwards won’t be?  They’re not going to pay Fil $5M, so they can do some buy-out pick up like this, I believe.

 

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 06/25/13 at 05:41 PM ET

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Had the Wings been a little healthier — like maybe having mobile defenseman Danny DeKeyser available — who knows what might have happened?

I’d bet everything I own that they’d have taken the Hawks in six. The elimination of dumb turnovers alone would have practically guaranteed that.

Even if the Wings can work out some sort of sign-and-trade deal, I’m guessing that they’ll get a middle-round draft pick (i.e. 3rd, 4th or 5th round) for [Filppula’s] rights…

And given the level of stupidity among the GM ranks, I have no doubt that you’re right, George. At least one of them will be dumb enough to do that. Sometimes it’s a plus that there are so many idiots running NHL organizations.

He’s 6’4,” weighs 233 pounds, is all of 27 and he’s going to get a lot of money from an NHL team for one good playoff run. His name is Bryan Bickell…

After watching Bickell closely in the SCF, I’d take Clarkson over him any day, especially since he’ll be a million or so cheaper. Clarkson can play the PK and the PP. Bickell just plays the PK. Clarkson is a better net-front guy, ala Homer, than Bickell. And Clarkson would make moving Tootoo a sure thing, because he’s meaner and tougher than Tootoo will ever be.

As for Weiss? WTF is the infatuation with this guy? We don’t need to add a 2nd line center just because Fil won’t be back. If Babs wants to play Z with Pavel, put Franzen there and make him earn his fricking money. It’s the only damn positon he plays where he has to work hard.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 06/25/13 at 07:07 PM ET

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Would the Wings be interested in Vincent Lecavalier, as TB will almost certainly buy him out?

At 6-4 215 he certainly fits the bigger forward idea, although not a tough physical guy I think that’s secondary.

A career 0.9 ppg guy, 33 is not old, more in his prime.  6 times a double digit “minus” guy on some pretty crappy teams, although a “plus” player in the playoffs.

Would likely cost Zetterberg-level money of $6M.  No Fil, try to jettison Sammy’s $3M, there’s $6M off last season’s payroll, and going to fill remainder of roster with Griffins anyway.  May not need worry about matching a higher Brunner salary in that case.

Been very reliable, not injury prone, plays almost every game every year.

Expensive, but who of the elite forwards won’t be?  They’re not going to pay Fil $5M, so they can do some buy-out pick up like this, I believe.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 06/25/13 at 05:41 PM ET

I’d love to see that happen, but it’s probably just a dream. Briere could be more likely, and he plays center and right wing. Love to have both in the top six and keep the kid line together at number three.

Another dream would be to see Holland pull the trigger on that 3 for 1 (make it more likely 4) for Letang. Tatar might be a good centerpiece as NHL ready and a potential fit for Crosby or Malkin as both will be losing wingers to free agency. Throw in someone like Lashoff (or Quincey maybe) and one of the top two defense prospects as well as another player (maybe a PK guy like Emmerton, though likely someone better) and maybe that actually would be enough to land a highly offensively talented top two defenseman. Pair him with DeKeyser to complement Kronwall and Ericsson. Tatar may never be worth more that right now, and Nyquist/Andersson/Brunner looked real nice together as the third line so why break them up? Though Brunner still needs to be signed and might be lost…

Also, swap Filppula’s rights for Weiss along with some conditional picks if one signs and the other doesn’t.

Or do nothing and hope for the best, which is probably what is going to happen.  raspberry

Posted by Bradley97 on 06/25/13 at 07:36 PM ET

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False

Give me a break.  The fact that he’s showing interest in Weiss, some who shouldn’t even be on his radar, shows how much he wants a Filppula-esque player, coupled with Babcock’s “the devil you know” quote and the fact that Holland has so far not dealt Filppula’s rights even a his worth dmwindles, tells me that Holland would still like to retain Val.

You don’t honestly believe his only contributions were goals and assists, do you?

No, but I think it’s emblematic oh his play this down the stretch.  You’re not going to convince hat he Wings would’ve been any worse off dealing Filppula an having either Tatar or Nyquit play on Z’s wing.

Would the Wings be interested in Vincent Lecavalier, as TB will almost certainly buy him out?

I hope they would be.

After watching Bickell closely in the SCF, I’d take Clarkson over him any day

Absolutely.

As for Weiss? WTF is the infatuation with this guy? We don’t need to add a 2nd line center just because Fil won’t be back.

Completely, 100% agree.

Posted by Garth on 06/25/13 at 07:56 PM ET

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I’ll be interested to see where Lecavalier lands if he’s bought out.  Theoretically, with $30M in his pocket he can go anywhere he wants and make as little as it takes to play there.  He can pretty much have his pick of 29 teams…

Posted by Garth on 06/25/13 at 09:20 PM ET

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George, why is no one talking about Ryane Clowe?

Posted by letsmakeit12 on 06/25/13 at 10:26 PM ET

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As I have said more than once, I see Clarkson often enough to know that he is overpaid right now.  It is only because he is almost the only offensive player left of the New Jersey Princes of Semi-Darkness (See Dilbert for explanation) that makes him look good.  He is not a fit for the Red Wings.

Ideally, Bickell, at around $4 million, would be good.  Find someone to take Franzen off their hands (it won’t be that hard as he is cheap by today’s standards)  and plug Bickell in on one big line and Abdelkader on the other. 

I could easily live with Briere as he will score and can defend some.  He plays much bigger than his 150 lbs or so.  LeCavalier will be costing more, but he also should come at a serious discount and he would be even better.  In addition to being a real offensive threat, he is a respectable defensive forward on a lousy team.

I see great things for the prospect coming up and those still on the farm, so I would not be willing to give them away right now.

Oh well, we will see what we will see.

Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 06/25/13 at 10:47 PM ET

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okay, to summarize
Get Horton! Too much, didn’t play great during the regular season, shoulder issue (maybe past concussions issue, although not this year)
Get Clarkson!  See DocF above
Get Bickell! See Horton. Less money, but more worry about flukey hot streak (less of a track record), minus concussions.
Get Clowe! Concussion(s) and didn’t show much of anything until maybe near the playoffs.
Get a skilled non-power forward like LeCavalier or Briere! Yeah, but wasn’t the main concern at the start that they need to get bigger a few weeks ago headed to the East and after watching Chicago roar back?
Get a defenseman! Pickings are slim, better value in forwards.
Get some undervalued players cheaper! Isn’t that the complaint that Holland was bargain basement hunting in the first place (especially after striking out on Parise and Suter) the last few years?
Holland’s made his mistakes, and whatever we call lucky for him this year with the youth, and the coaching job of Babcock, he was part of drafting these players in the first place. We’ll see how well he earns his money with this summer, since if the contributors here are all over the place on what the Wings should do, even with the cap space, I think he has it tougher this year than last year.

For what it’s worth:
http://linemakers.sportingnews.com/nhl/2013-06-25/stanley-cup-odds-2014-favorites-blackhawks-bruins-penguins-bickell-contract

Here are the complete lists of odds to win the 2014 Stanley Cup, as well as the Eastern and Western Conferences, offered at the LVH:

ODDS TO WIN 2013-2014 STANLEY CUP
PENGUINS 5-1
BLACKHAWKS 6-1
BLUES 8-1
BRUINS 9-1
RED WINGS 10-1
CANUCKS 12-1
KINGS 16-1
SHARKS 16-1
RANGERS 20-1
CANADIENS 20-1
DUCKS 20-1

Posted by Bugsy on 06/25/13 at 11:07 PM ET

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Ideally, Bickell, at around $4 million, would be good.

That is absolute insanity.

Posted by Garth on 06/25/13 at 11:12 PM ET

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  Ideally, Bickell, at around $4 million, would be good.

That is absolute insanity.

Chicago Sun Times: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/20964571-419/keeping-bryan-bickell-will-be-tough-with-lower-salary-cap.html

Bickell made $600,000 this season and is likely to command somewhere in the neighborhood of $3 million a year as an unrestricted free agent.

New York Times (also seen on Kuklas Korner): https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/25/sports/hockey/bruins-and-blackhawks-have-thrived-despite-the-salary-cap.html?_r=0

Bickell’s $540,000-a-year contract is up, and he can expect a raise to three or even five times that. Bowman said “we’re going to do our best” to re-sign Bickell.

Craig Custance, ESPN Insider section: http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9419724/2013-nhl-playoffs-chicago-blackhawks-better-positioned-boston-bruins-stanley-cup-final-return

The biggest challenge will be re-signing Bryan Bickell, who is an unrestricted free agent and could see his salary jump into the $3 million per season range. Bowman would have to move some salary to make that happen.

Posted by Bugsy on 06/25/13 at 11:32 PM ET

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  ” Ideally, Bickell, at around $4 million, would be good.

That is absolute insanity.”

Posted by Garth on 06/25/13 at 11:12 PM ET

Well, considering that some GM will probably give him 5 years at 6 million per, it is insanity.  He will bring big bucks.  I was salivating about a great skill set for a big, big forward all half season.  He should bring 2.5 million, but 4 would be a bargain in the current world of lunacy from some of the GMs in the league.

Face it, if the Red Wings bring in anyone, even some spare part, they will have to overpay by a lot.

Doc

Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 06/25/13 at 11:35 PM ET

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Face it, if the Red Wings bring in anyone, even some spare part, they will have to overpay by a lot.

Well, I’m not sure they’d overpay by “a lot,” but they will overpay by at least a little based on the players available. The reason I like Clarkson over Bickell or Horton (even if they overpay a bit) is that he’s more versatile and (despite the physical game he plays) he’s more durable than the other two.

Bickell and Horton are big bodies. Clarkson is a fairly big body with a nasty attitude. He reminds me a bit of Dallas Drake – but with more offensive ability. Of the three, he’s the guy I’d want to see in the playoffs next spring. IMHO, any other considerations are irrelevant compared to that.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 06/25/13 at 11:52 PM ET

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Lecavalier if bought out will receive a buttload of dead money to play somewhere. 

I would expect him to sign for a decent short term (1-2 year) deal where he could
A. win
B. be a vital cog in that win

and then come back to the big coin.  Obviously that would mean he’d want to go to a contender. 

Chicago can’t afford him, and he’d be second fiddle to Toews/Kane.
In Pittsburgh he’d be an afterthought.
Toronto is a possibility, if he likes playing under a microscope.  Plus they have no proven goalie, Bernier notwithstanding.
Boston is totally capscrewed, and LA can’t afford him.

Ottawa, Anaheim and Detroit would be the only teams I’d think he’d be interested in.

Also, I think that 75% of teams are going to have to use their buyouts this year. 

I wonder if Jagr will play for 3M?

BTW, I think KH is double speaking about wanting to sign Filpulla and Cleary.  He’d take them back at the right price, and if no one else was available.  Considering how many teams are feeling the squeeze, I think Filppula and Cleary will be surprised how little interest there is at their asking prices.  Now is the time of the cheap young hockey player.

Posted by zombietroy on 06/26/13 at 12:32 AM ET

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How about some Clarkson highlights?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4qkG2r_OTp8

Posted by IMOrthodox13 on 06/26/13 at 12:51 AM ET

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Posted by Bugsy on 06/25/13 at 11:32 PM ET

Great quotes, bro, but which one has anything to do with me disagreeing that it would be “ideal” for the Wings to sign him for “around $4 million”?

Not to mention you’re quoting articles saying he could command $2.5-3M and saying that ti would be ideal to get him for $4M.

Like I said, absolute insanity.

Face it, if the Red Wings bring in anyone, even some spare part, they will have to overpay by a lot.

Sure, they will probably have to overpay, but the don’t have to give Franzen+ money to someone who is completely naproxen when they could pay a little more for someone who is proven.

Posted by Garth on 06/26/13 at 07:42 AM ET

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Ottawa, Anaheim and Detroit would be the only teams I’d think he’d be interested in.
Posted by zombietroy on 06/26/13 at 12:32 AM ET

Montreal will go hard after him.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 06/26/13 at 09:19 AM ET

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Montreal will go hard after him.

Definitely.

Posted by Garth on 06/26/13 at 10:44 AM ET

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How about some Clarkson highlights?

Good info from both Wingnut and Bugsy. Thanks for the links.

After watching the videos and reading the articles, I’m even more convinced Clarkson would do well in Detroit. The goals video showed two things in particular that I liked. One, he’s got a quick release (like Franzen). And, two, he scores most of his goals from the area around the net.

He also scores on some Zetterberg-like “sharp-angle” shots because he shoots the puck a lot. Put him with Pavel and Abby and move Franzen to Z’s line with Brunner (if he’s resigned) or Nyquist.

The fact that Clarkson shoots right and can play either net-front or the point on the power play is a huge plus. Go get him, Kenny.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 06/26/13 at 12:20 PM ET

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Great quotes, bro, but which one has anything to do with me disagreeing that it would be “ideal” for the Wings to sign him for “around $4 million”?

Not to mention you’re quoting articles saying he could command $2.5-3M and saying that ti would be ideal to get him for $4M.

I wasn’t disagreeing with you,....

Posted by Bugsy on 06/27/13 at 02:50 AM ET

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Yeah, I forgot about Montreal.

Posted by zombietroy on 06/27/13 at 07:43 AM ET

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