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Red Wings-Lightning quick take: salvation lies within?

Update: Ugh (although...Petr Mrazek's Winter Classic pads are cute, yay?):

The Detroit Red Wings, due to injuries at least, have brought up Gustav Nyquist, Tomas Jurco, Petr Mrazek and Luke Glendening, and have been giving Tomas Tatar, Joakim Andersson, their young defense and players like Drew Miller and Patrick Eaves just as many chances to score as they've given Daniel Cleary, Pavel Datsyuk, Daniel Alfredsson and Todd Bertuzzi...

But a team whose roster is constantly in flux due to injuries--see Justin Abdelkader's status as "out for a bit" and Johan Franzen's undisclosed injury--is still struggling with the "kids" who were supposed to be brimming with confidence and game-breaking abilities playing prime-time minutes (and Mikael Samuelsson sitting in the press box), with players like Datsyuk and Bertuzzi hitting a conditioning wall as they attempt to get their game legs back, and especially with Henrik Zetterberg, Darren Helm, Danny DeKeyser and even Jimmy Howard absent.

As such, the Wings looked absolutely awful in dropping their second consecutive home game and both of their first pair of games of six-of-ten, this time in the form of a 3-0 loss to the Tampa Bay Lightning.

What do you say? Three shutouts against at home, three losses to Tampa and two to Florida, yet another Intent To Blow fiasco, and this gem in tow...

The Wings played a tentative, skate-into-the-corners and pass-into-traffic game against a Tampa Bay Lightning team whose road record was worse than Detroit's home record--they'd lost 7 straight games going into today's tilt--and this showed, big time:

What can the team do from here, other than recall Landon Ferraro if Franzen's out for any period of time as they play the Ducks on Tuesday, the Flames on Thursday, they travel to Toronto on Saturday and then host the Islanders on the 23rd?

Get their shit together.

A team whose personnel is in flux and whose lack of continuity roster-wise is clearly hurting the fark out of the Wings' cause out-shot Tampa Bay 13-3 in the 2nd but was out-shot 14-9 in the 3rd, and these goals--Tyler Johnson scoring from Martin St. Louis and Ondrej Palat thanks to a Kindl suicide pass to a lone Tomas Tatar facing 3 Bolts charing off the bench at Detroit's blueline, 3:13 into the 3rd...

And J.T. Brown surprisingly scoirng 9:16 into the 3rd because Pavel Datsyuk, Niklas Kronwall and Jonathan Ericsson all got beat to the puck...

The Bolts also scored into an empty net, but that was just salt in the wound for a team that had killed three second-period penalties but couldn't convert on its own power plays (as per usual these days).

What's going on with the Wings? The kids aren't showing up and playing like world-beaters, the injuries are hurting everyone and the vets are snakebit like nobody's business, and when you add all of that up, it's a losing recipe.

It's up to the players and the coaching staff to get themselves out of this and to return to winning form ON THEIR OWN here, and they need to do so by getting back to the fundamentals of Wings hockey--puck possession via good positional defense with lots of sticks and skates in lanes and winger support, a strong, speedy and efficient transition game, sustained possession and control of the puck in the offensive zone and shots, rebound retrievals and butts in front instead of endlessly turning over the puck and being skated into the boards over and over again.

The Wings have to execute much better in all three zones, and it doesn't matter whether it's the supposedly elderly Alfredsson or the dynamic Nyquist or the baffling Cleary and Quincey.

The crest on the front of the Red Wings' sweater demands more. The fans who are paying so much money to watch their team suck on ice at home demand more. The players are demanding more, too, but now they've got to back it up.

 

Statistics:

Shots 28-27 Tampa Bay overall. Tampa Bay out-shot Detroit 10-6 in the 1st, was out-shot 13-3 in the 2nd and out-shot Detroit 14-9 in the 3rd period.

Special teams: the Red Wings went 0-for-3 in 4:38 of PP time; the Lightning went 0-for-3 in 4:16 of PP time, including 22 seconds of 5 on 3 time.

Goaltending: Petr Mrazek stopped 24 of 26 shots, and the Lightning scored into an empty net; Ben Bishop stopped 28 of 28.

Fox Sports Detroit's Dana Wakiji picked the 3 stars, and she picked Petr Mrazek, Tyler Johnson and Ben Bishop.

Faceoffs 28-28 (Detroit won 50%);

Blocked shots 15-11 Tampa Bay;

Missed shots 12-12 (total attempts 55-50 Detroit);

Hits 23-18 Detroit;

Giveaways 8-6 Tampa Bay;

Takeaways 11-4 Detroit.

Individual stats:

Faceoffs: Andersson went 10-and-11 (48%); Datsyuk went 11-and-9 (55%); Glendening went 3-and-5 (38%); Tatar went 2-and-1 (67%); Franzen went 1-and-1 (50%); Bertuzzi lost his only faceoff; Eaves won his only faceoff.

Shots: Alfredsson led the Wings with 4 shots; Nyquist had 3; Kindl, Datsyuk, Andersson, Miller, Quincey, Kronwall and Franzen had 2 shots; Smith, Eaves, Tatar, Lashoff, Jurco, Glendening and Cleary had 1 shot.

Blocked attempts: Alfredsson fired 4 more shots into Lightning players; Kindl, Datsyuk, Lashoff and Kronwall had 2 attempts blocked; Nyquist, Eaves and Jurco had 1 attempt blocked.

Missed shots: Jurco and Kronwall missed the net 3 times; Smith and Datsyuk missed the net 2 times; Kindl and Bertuzzi missed the net 1 time.

Hits: Eaves and Bertuzzi co-led the team with 3 hits; Kindl, Alfredsson, Miller, Jurco and Quincey had 2 hits; Nyquist, Andersson, Tatar, Glendening, Ericsson, Kronwall and Cleary had 1 hit.

Giveaways: Ericsson had 2 giveaways; Nyquist, Tatar, Kronwall and Mrazek had 1 giveaway.

Takeaways: Eaves, Miller and Quincey had 2 takeaways; Datsyuk, Nyquist, Andersson, Jurco and Bertuzzi had 1 takeaway.

Blocked opponent shots: Nyquist, Miller, Ericsson and Kronwall blocked 2 shots; Smith, Glendening and Franzen blocked 1.

Penalties taken: Quincey and Franzen took minors and the Wings took a bench minor for too many men on the ice.

Plus-minus: The Wings were -16 overall. Kronwall finished at -3; Kindl and Tatar finished at -2; Datsyuk, Nyquist, Eaves, Miller, Bertuzzi, Ericsson and Cleary finished at -1.

Points: Nobody scored.

Ice time: Datsyuk led the team with 23:31 played; Kronwall played 23:05; Kindl played 21:09;

Alfredsson played 19:59; Ericsson played 19:29; Quincey played 17:54;

Smith played 17:37; Jurco played 16:45; Tatar played 16:32;

Lashoff played 16:24; Andersson played 16:06; Bertuzzi played 15:17;

Nyquist played 14:13; Cleary played 13:23; Miller played 13:23;

Glendening played 12:49; Eaves played 10:40; Franzen played 6:50.

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Alan's avatar

At some point, someone in the room needs to deliver a wake-up call and snap these fuchers out of this funk. No more woe-is-me bullshiat.

We play a very good Anaheim team on Tuesday at the Joe, and we can’t afford to give up any more points to anyone.

We can blame the injuries, and blame the refs for sucking (or blowing) until the sun shiats green tea, but the fact of the matter is, we still didn’t do enough to win it.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 12/15/13 at 08:55 PM ET

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As much as I believe the Detroit Red Wings will always be (or need to be) a puck possession team, it’s beginning to get hard to imagine such a fractured lineup playing like that. If they can great, otherwise… just find a way to grind some wins out until people get back.

Throw caution to the wind and crash the net like…barbarians, or something.

Posted by CrimsonPhoenix on 12/15/13 at 08:58 PM ET

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Wow… The cool aid is not cutting it tonight.

With all the flux in line combos and all the kids filling in spots… You might think that Babs would put together a Grand Rapids line….start them playing together as they at least have some time playing together this year and should remember something about their line mates from last year…. 

I can see it now….just waiting for the tweet…The Mule must sit through the concussion protocols ....which while I have never seen it written down seems to be a minimum 7 days…. 

You think Sammy is getting the hint he is not wanted in Det?  Of course there will be no trade partners for his cap hit or level of performance of late so why bother looking.

I did not expect a Cup this year but I did have very high hopes of a deep playoff run…. Now I am fearing the playoff streak may be in jeopardy….. 

Yea I get it… Year two of the rebuilding plan….but jeez these guys are Red Wings….aren’t they….or at least supposed to be Red Wings.

Posted by AZ_WingNut on 12/15/13 at 09:04 PM ET

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Datsyuk’s not been good since he came back, Z’s out, Franzen was out after a bit, Howard’s out, Helm’sout, Dekeyser’s out, Abdelkader’s out…

... this is kind of how that works.

I think it’s nice that so many kids are getting extra chances to play, but as we see what the team looks like when that happens perhaps this might also serve as something of a cautionary tale to those who default to ‘play the kids!’ in most roster discussions.

Further, I understand that there’s something of an uncontrollable dislike towards the guy among many and that some of the more Pavlovian-lobed here will rush to make some fairly silly overreactions to this comment, but really… at this point Sammy ought to be playing.

The notion that he ought to be sitting so that guys like Luke Glendening can play while the team scores 1, 2, 1, 1 and 0 goals the past five… I mean, come on.  I understand he’s not been good this year, but seriously.  This starts to look like something beyond a hockey issue is being engaged in.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/15/13 at 09:09 PM ET

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Seriously, how has Babcock not at least put out the GR line as the 2nd PP unit?  How is Andersson not an upgrade over Dan Cleary?

Posted by Garth on 12/15/13 at 09:11 PM ET

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just find a way to grind some wins out until people get back.

Posted by CrimsonPhoenix on 12/15/13 at 07:58 PM ET


That’s exactly it. And we’re just not grinding ‘em out.

On the plus side, I liked what I saw of Jurco tonight. He’ll learn how to create some time and space for himself at the big boy level quickly, I imagine. Datsyuk did look a little better, but I don’t know if that’s energy absorbed from Jurco or him feeling a little better. Miller looked like he had a nice look or two.

We’ll get the scoring touch back soon. Either we need the kids to gel - and quick - with their new linemates, or…

With all the flux in line combos and all the kids filling in spots… You might think that Babs would put together a Grand Rapids line….

Posted by AZ_WingNut on 12/15/13 at 08:04 PM ET

...this needs to happen. Actually, I think I like this idea better. Re-form the Tatar-Andersson-Nyquist line.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 12/15/13 at 09:13 PM ET

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I think it’s nice that so many kids are getting extra chances to play, but as we see what the team looks like when that happens perhaps this might also serve as something of a cautionary tale to those who default to ‘play the kids!’ in most roster discussions.

Good, salient point, since those who default who ‘play the kids’ are saying that the kids should be played instead of Zetterberg and Helm, right?

Right?

Yeah, that’s what I thought.

The notion that he ought to be sitting so that guys like Luke Glendening can play while the team scores 1, 2, 1, 1 and 0 goals the past five… I mean, come on.  I understand he’s not been good this year, but seriously.  This starts to look like something beyond a hockey issue is being engaged in.

ANOTHER fantastic point since all the ‘play the kids’ folks are constantly saying that Glendening is the kid they want played, right?

Right?

Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Posted by Garth on 12/15/13 at 09:16 PM ET

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Babcock and Holland last year only played “the kids” in the first place because of all the injuries. So if it weren’t by necessity, we wouldn’t even know half these guys were NHL players. So now we’re struggling to score goals, why not bring up a Jarnkrok to center the 4th line? He has more offensive ability than Glendening, even though Luke is pretty fast.  And his love obsession with Cleary is just baffling. Utterly mind-boggling. He is a terrible hockey player. I think Babcock is stubborn and borderline delusional with some of the personnel moves. We are missing key players so this losing streak is kind of expected, but Babs even makes these questionable moves when we have a healthy lineup. I’m actually surprised they called up Jurco. Jurco played well and he has a very bright future. Hopefully he stays for a few more games…but with that said, however, he is still young and needs to spend the rest of this year (once everyone comes back) in GR.

Posted by ZandPasha11 on 12/15/13 at 09:30 PM ET

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I really there won’t be many points to be had for the Wings until the Key injured players get back and in game shape which I expect will be early 2014.  Then the Wings in The East can be fairly judged.

I am enjoying watching the GR Kids and there energy, skills and speed.  Too many huge holes in the lineup. Just going to remain patient and realistic…EXCEPT for Cleary and Samuelsson.  There must be a way to rid them from the roster, legally!

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 12/15/13 at 09:47 PM ET

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Franzen out Tuesday. He’s been protocol’d. Fuuuuuuuuch.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 12/15/13 at 09:56 PM ET

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I think the ‘kids’ are alright, but you do need center men. That had the most impact tonight, I thought.  Only one top center in the game, and not at his best. I like Tatar’s game the most. Nyquist, too. Junco looked good enough to get another game. He does need to get more up to speed, but I thought he got better as the game went on.

Posted by MoreShoot on 12/15/13 at 10:08 PM ET

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Zetterberg, Franzen, Howard, DeKeyser, Weiss, Helm, Abdelkader

thats just whos injured as of now.

Ericsson, Gustavsson, Datsyuk, Eaves and Smith have all missed significant time as well.

So we’re missing all but one C, a top 4 dman, we’re starting our 3rd string goalie, and Quincey is still here playing D.  No one should be surprised at the outcome of any of these recent games.  And no one can honestly blame Babs for this.  The young guys need to play with vets to learn how to compete in this league, and its the reason the young D still have not put it together.  They don’t have the likes of Lidstrom, Stuart, Rafalski or Chelios to skate along side or ask questions to help figure it out.

So until (if?) this team finally gets healthy, and Holland finally gets off his ass and gets a little veteran D help, buckle your seatbelts and keep your tray tables in the upright position.  Its going to be a bumpy ride.

Posted by Hootinani on 12/15/13 at 10:10 PM ET

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The problem this game was the problem that had plagued them in previous losing streaks and when they were winning, and that is stupid play in their own zone and no intensity in the third period. Both goals against resulted from unnecessary passes to players who were already covered or were about to be covered by forecheckers after keeping the puck in the zone, rather than getting it out quickly to forwards who could carry it out (if their names are not Cleary or Samuelsson or Datsyuk). And they needed no help from the Lightning to remove the scoring chances they got when they finally realized it wasn’t going to be another easy shootout loss.

When they spend so much time “getting organized” in their own zone there are a total of three plays that they make every single time, and this is something that needs to be fixed:
1. the mixed metaphor stretch pass is either way off the mark and goes for icing, or the guy goes offside;
2. the cross-ice or down-the-slot pass is easily intercepted or the receiver can’t handle it and the puck stays in the zone longer;
3. a defenseman finally carries the puck up ice to drop it off (like every single “rush” on the power play), skate it into traffic, or dump the puck in and go to the bench; or
4. they take too long and make no play at all, allowing the puck to be taken away far too easily

At times the defensemen look like brats who see the older kids playing with the puck and really want it for themselves but can’t figure out how it works.

Posted by bleep bloop on 12/15/13 at 10:54 PM ET

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Jurco has had a bit of a cold streak here in GR so I was surprised they picked him up over Pulkinnen, Sheahan or Ferraro. The Wings sure could use Ferraro’s special teams skills.

Posted by griffinsfan on 12/15/13 at 11:39 PM ET

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The Wings sure could use Ferraro’s special teams skills

It’s anyone’s guess who they bring up next. I’m kinda hoping it’s Ferraro.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 12/15/13 at 11:43 PM ET

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Tootio has been awesome in GR so far. He hasn’t put up many points but creates chances for everybody and is an awesome skater and has punished those who wanted to beat up on the smaller guys. Am I wrong to think DRW are missing having someone with those skills?

Posted by griffinsfan on 12/15/13 at 11:58 PM ET

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Didn’t they also note this was Jurcos 3rd game in 4 days?  Maybe we should allow the man to be a bit fresher before severest judgement.

Posted by MoreShoot on 12/16/13 at 12:02 AM ET

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Mickey is right, people.  Yeah, it SUUUUCKS right now, but we’re still sitting in a play-off position, we’re expecting a chunk of players and Captain Hank back around the Winter Classic (and a visit from me, which I’m sure the Organization is looking forward to), and we’re not quite halfway through the season.  There is a lot of hockey to be played yet this year.  Plus, we’ll get the Olympic Distraction out of the way, we’ll get HBO out of the locker room, and hopefully we’re getting our crap games out of the way in 2013.

And I, like many of you, was pretty satisfied with Jurco’s first game.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 12/16/13 at 12:50 AM ET

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Am I wrong to think DRW are missing having someone with those skills?

Posted by griffinsfan on 12/15/13 at 10:58 PM ET

Yes, because he already has a body of work to suggest he can’t bring anything to DET.


At this point, there’s no real point in analyzing the team honestly.  They’re a mess of injuries, guys playing out of their normal area, etc.  It’s constantly in flux because guys are constantly getting hurt.  They’re missing their starting goalie, one of their top d-men, and a load of important forwards.

This is a time when just stealing some points by going into OT would be nice.

Just survive.

Posted by Primis on 12/16/13 at 01:37 AM ET

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this might also serve as something of a cautionary tale to those who default to ‘play the kids!’ in most roster discussions.

You are assuming that those people saying this don’t understand what the trade-offs are.

and that some…will rush to make some fairly silly overreactions to this comment,

Uhhhh, here it comes….

but really… at this point Sammy ought to be playing.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

The notion that he ought to be sitting so that guys like Luke Glendening can play while the team scores 1, 2, 1, 1 and 0 goals the past five… I mean, come on. 

Uhm, do you know how many goals Sammy has contributed on this season? Are you just writing this stuff because it’s funny or are you really that dumb?

I understand he’s not been good this year…

Why do you say this stuff? No, I don’t think you do understand.

This starts to look like something beyond a hockey issue is being engaged in.

Like what? Do you think Holland and Babcock are jealous of Sammy’s handsome looks?

Posted by howeandhowe on 12/16/13 at 02:37 AM ET

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You guys, but seriously, please see my earlier comment regarding the Pro Tools around here:

It’s not about us, and it’s not really about hockey discussion. It’s about people who get their rocks off arguing about SOMEthing with SOMEone hearing themselves talk, and it’s about the self-absorbed getting their rocks off when ZOMG SOMETIEHNG GOEZ RONG or SOMEONE MAKES A SUBJECTIVE OBSERVATION THAT MAY NOT TURN OUT TO BE TRUE ZOMG LOLZ YEW IZ FUREVR WRONG AN AH IZ RITE BOW DOWN B4 MEH HA HAS.

Keep trollin’ trollin’ trollin’...

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 12/16/13 at 02:49 AM ET

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I have to admit I am enjoying this, trolling Trolls.

George, if you want me to stop I will. It will be difficult, but I will.

Sincerely,

Zach Kassian.

Posted by howeandhowe on 12/16/13 at 02:55 AM ET

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If they’re gonna be dicks sometimes you’ve got to be Louis C.K. and encourage ‘em to take a bag of ‘em.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 12/16/13 at 03:19 AM ET

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Here’s what I WILL say:

1. Paul has often advised me to both be responsible to my readers and to try to keep my nose out of the comments section as much as possible. I have learned that there are i fact professional writers whose content is spurned on by commenters whose comments prick through thin skin, and their content suffers as a result.

While I’m happy to answer questions and I’m happy to be held accountable for “getting it wrong” because I am human and subjective and just a fan pretending to be a processional who is very very happy when the Wings pleasantly prove me wrong and willing to admit that I goof, well…I’ve got to write what I’ve got to write regardless of your opinions. That’s not being an Evil Drew Sharp *#$%@&: it’s trying to give you all my honest take.

2. I know that many of you come from the Abel to Yzerman atmosphere, where the comments are MUCH more muscular and testosterone-driven, with shit-stirring and a little physical contact almost mandatory at times, so I try to give all of you a wide berth.

3. My HONEST bottom line is that I would like to run a tighter ship and to throw some of the yutzes out simply because I don’t like seeing people getting away with being assholes to other people by acting like bullies and plain old “meanies” in my blog’s comments section, but I work for someone, and I’ve been told to let y’all be…

4. Though I will most readily admit very publicly that a certain pro troll never responded to repeated entreaties to be reached by management because the email he registered with turned out to be an email he’s let expire or close since he registered here.

5. I don’t want any of you to be assholes to each other. I would like to see the respect factor ratcheted up several levels and I’d ideally like to see the I’M HERE TO READ MYSELF TALKers given the amount of time and energy that they deserve—none…

But absent my ability to impose my will upon an audience that it would be unfair to censor to the level I might occasionally want to turn into Cuba on Ice per the “culture” I’ve tried to respect, the editorial mandate and the fact that, disturbingly enough, I actually respect all of you, even those of you I do not tolerate well…

There’s a time and a place for self-policing. My hope is simply that you please email Paul or I if you feel that you are out-and-out being bullied, because when things get that nasty, it is our responsibility to not let things be, but instead, to step in and to impose the appropriate disciplinary action or bans as necessary. This is not in fact a free-for-all, though it certainly operates like it at times, and if any of *your* sensibilities become too offended, it’s *your* job to ask us to do ours.

That’s all I want to say about this. I’ve spent half an hour talking about rude comment section behavior and I don’t want to give it any more time, energy or effort, because I’m *#$%@& busy trying to put out content here.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 12/16/13 at 03:34 AM ET

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I will not be as basely hypocritical as George and descend into the personal attacks, namecalling and mudslinging he’s chosen to do in the name of… um, getting people to stop allegedly namecalling, mudlslinging and lobbing personal attacks.

I prefer, rather, to discuss hockey topics, and while that means occasionally people will not have their own opinions treated with the sacrosanct level of care they feel their cherished gems of wisdom and insight deserve, them’s are, as they say, the breaks.

What’s happened with George here in particular, but it happens to people generally as well, is that given the level of personal investment he has in his contributions here, having them even occasionally confronted in a serious and substantive manner results in agita which he has dealt with poorly.  I understand this, and while I’m disappointed that he and others have dealt so poorly with those emotions, I understand their nature and don’t hold any personal animus towards him or other posters here who react similarly to differences of opinion.

That said, stuff like this:

Though I will most readily admit very publicly that a certain pro troll never responded to repeated entreaties to be reached by management because the email he registered with turned out to be an email he’s let expire or close since he registered here.

Is just absurd.  You asked once, George.  I updated the email.  It’s active and has been so for quite some time now.  I’m sure you’ll find plenty of reasons to work yourself into a rage without having to fabricate others, no?

So, hopefully being able to call me names and insult the intent of my comments and the reason behind them while hiding behind some thin veneer of faux-respect and consideration will give you and others some form of surcease.  It costs me nothing to see them, understanding their origin and comprehending their impact.

For the others who actually like to talk about hockey, well, that’s fine too.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/16/13 at 08:05 AM ET

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god. nobody cares about this crap.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 12/16/13 at 08:30 AM ET

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The HHD show is one of the least watchable sitcoms in the comments section.


That said, the only way Samuelsson should have been playing is if the NHL changed the rules and pucks that fly 3 feet over the net now register for a point. In that case, Samuelsson would be a scoring dynamo.

1 goal, 2 assists, -3 +/-, 6 PIM. At this point in time, Sammy is “earning” a million bucks per point, or a million bucks for each even strength goal against he’s helped to allow. Since he’s not going to be on the team next year, it makes much more sense to see what overripe prospects can do before trading them or releasing them.

Meanwhile, Nyquist, who HHD argued against bringing up, was playing. He’s at 4 goals, 4 assists, +4 and 2 PIM.

So yeah, clearly Samuelsson would have been a better roster filler than someone who is actually scoring and making opportunities.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 12/16/13 at 09:02 AM ET

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There’s simply nothing to be done for somebody who hides hockey discussion behind barbs meant to tangle people. When the discussion inevitably turns to the person laying such traps, he’s left with the internal justification that everybody else has the problem and the external crocodile tears about how all he wanted to do was discuss hockey yet somehow another of his barb-ridden comments accidentally turned into a need to defend himself.

It’s a carefully crafted troll job and it bears pointing out each time it’s run successfully.

Garth had the right idea to call out the straw-men where they were. You’ll notice that comment didn’t receive any response because there wasn’t an opportunity to jump on a cross or belittle the commenter by it, so it got passed over for better candidates.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/16/13 at 10:35 AM ET

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Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/16/13 at 09:35 AM ET

Well put. Thanks JJ

Posted by SnLO from the sub great-white north on 12/16/13 at 10:59 AM ET

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There’s simply nothing to be done for somebody who hides hockey discussion behind barbs meant to tangle people. When the discussion inevitably turns to the person laying such traps, he’s left with the internal justification that everybody else has the problem and the external crocodile tears about how all he wanted to do was discuss hockey yet somehow another of his barb-ridden comments accidentally turned into a need to defend himself.

It’s a carefully crafted troll job and it bears pointing out each time it’s run successfully.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/16/13 at 09:35 AM ET

Actually, it probably bears a permaban at this point.

It’s gone from slightly humorous to incredibly tiresome. A troll with a decent vocabulary is still a troll. Drop the hammer. It will make the site more enjoyable and give him the satisfaction that his ideas were so intelligent and revolutionary that the unwashed simply couldn’t handle the truth. It’s win/win.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 12/16/13 at 11:17 AM ET

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I’ve been a reader since the mlive days, and while I often disagree with George’s assessments and verbose and repetitive commentary (therefore i skip it), this is by far the best blog any NHL team has… Thank you George for all your efforts.

I don’t comment often, because intelligent hockey discussion is relatively rare here. What we have is emotional outbursts that fail to contextualize sports and disregard the realities of a 30 team cap league. However, I always check the comments section, looking for a few intelligent, rational and down-to-earth posters.  HockeyinHD is one of those… You call him a troll, I believe he has one of the best analytical skills and perspective on this blog. Of course I don’t agree with him all the time, but at least he is able to keep useless emotions under control…

Cheers to all!

Posted by alukacs on 12/16/13 at 12:16 PM ET

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