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Red Wings-Jets quick take: Wings play like they ‘can,’ lose like they have

This is getting old. The Red Wings absolutely dominated possession and control of the puck against the Jets, they out-shot Winnipeg by a wide margin (43-21), the Wings' power play went 2-for-3, and save some bad back-passes from Daniel Alfredsson and a deke that both Kyle Quincey and Jimmy Howard bit upon, the Wings all but out-classed a clutchy-grabby-happy (and rewarded for it) Jets team...

But only Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg, Niklas Kronwall, Alfredsson and  now Franzen can score for the Wings, and the Wings still managed to trail the game two times...

So the Jets were able to play for a shootout--really since the last 5 minutes of regulation--and the Wings dropped a 3-2 shootout decision to Winnipeg, dropping their sixth straight at the Joe (albeit via an 0-1-and-5 record) because their goalie and scorers are in the shootout what they are not in regulation or overtime: plain old awful.

I'm sick, I'm tired, and this one has me baffled.

I just don't get it. I mean, shit, Quincey made a goal-saving intercept at one point, Samuelsson was among the Wings' leaders in shots, save a 5-minute period at the end of the 2nd, when Xavier Ouellet was out with some sort of equipment or injury issue, the Wings were just fantastic...

But they couldn't or wouldn't draw penalties against a Jets team that essentially plays prevent-and-predate hockey, they can't put traffic in front of Pavelec (Bertuzzi had a very rare poor game), and the stats don't matter in the end, but here they are:

The shots were 43-21 Detroit, with the Wings out-shooting Winnipeg 16-2 in the 3rd;

Despite some Twitter "bitching" (like Daniels described vets at the Winter Classic Alumni Showdown complaining about ice time) about Howard's play on the 2nd goal against, he was stellar until the shootout;

The Wings' power play went 2-for-3 in 5:43 of PP time;

The Wings blocked 12 shots to 6 for Winnipeg and fired an additional 6 shot attempts INTO Jets players and 13 wide for a total of 62 shot attempts to 41 for Winnipeg...

And the Wings' giveaway-takeaway ratio was 4 giveaways and 6 Jets takeaways--which ain't bad these days, keeping it at or under 10--to 1 Jets giveaway and 8 Wings earned takeaways...

And really, every line played well, despite Bertuzzi's "off" game, despite Alfredsson's back-passing and despite some bipls and boobles, every line was strong, assuaging for his back-passing, Alfredsson was unbelievably tenacious on the puck as Jets hacked, whacked, pitchforked, grabbed, groped, kicked at and otherwise molested him along the boards, the transition game was sharp, speedy and superb, and hell, the Wings' new tactic of just shooting pucks off the back boards when they're in trouble paid off in spades.

But Bryan Little scored the first goal thanks to a breakdown to give the Jets a 1-0 lead 7:10 in...

Datsyuk's PPG at 14:44 tied things up...

Things remained even until Zach Bogosian dumped the puck in deep, received some assists from Kane and Jokinen and faked out both Quincey and Howard 10:47 into the 3rd...

An AMAZING keep-in attempt by Pavel Datsyuk...



Yielded his tying goal with 7:49 left...

But the Jets were proficient in the shootout and the WIngs weren't--losing their TENTH straight OT-or-shootout game at the Joe--and that was that.

Another single point.

Babcock's done all he can do in terms of sitting, shuffling, etc. etc., the players are giving their best, and shit just ain't getting done. I do believe that bringing up Nyquist can help, but I do NOT believe that he is the Wings' salvation by any stretch of the imagination. THE PLAYERS ON THE TEAM RIGHT BOOKING NOW MUST find a way to develop some secondary scoring, and they've had almost seventy regular season games to get that issue "fixed," but they can't or won't do it.

So we wait for this in-progress team to establish an identity it can't seem to grasp and hold on to in terms of results, and it's *#$%@& annoying.

The Wings played nothing less than a masterful game save those last 5 minutes of the 2nd and the shootout itself, but results matter, and the results aren't coming.

Tweets of note:

Long story short: 20 games in, the Wings are still a work in progress, and that's fine and all, but they can't leave their home fans or the standings waiting for 2-point-earning wins. No more time for *#$%@& around here...

REGARDLESS of whether the best players are "on the ice," in Grand Rapids, or in your brain or mine in a dreamed-up trade where somehow, Kyle Quincey and Mikael Samuelsson equal a superstar, the players who ARE ACTUALLY PLAYING have to step up in a GIGANTIC way to GET 'ER DONE.

And that is the end of the story here, that is the bottom line.

Did the Wings get back to their "structure" tonight?

Yeah, and it was awesome to see. But they still lost.

Update: This is what I said on Twitter: You can't blame losing 8 of 11 on no Nyquist, no Helm, a bad play by Quincey, blah blah blah..Over time, the *team* simply *has* to produce.

Cleary sat. Eaves sat. Tatar, Andersson, Ouellet, Lashoff, DeKeyser, they played. The kids are here. They're earning their chances. Now the TEAM has to get its shit together.

Update #2: Babcock from afar:



Shots 43-21 Detroit overall. Detroit out-shot Winnipeg 16-8 in the 1st, 10-9 in the 2nd and 16-2 in the 3rd, but were out-shot 2-1 in OT.

The Wings' power play went 2-for-4 in 4:43 of time; the Jets' PP went 0-for-2 in 4:00.

Howard stopped 19 of 21; Pavelec stopped 41 of 43.

The 3 stars were picked by Michigan Hockey's Michael Caples, and he picked Ondrej Pavelec, Pavel Datsyuk and Andrew Ladd.

The Wings' goals: Datsyuk (8) from Zetterberg (11) and Kronwall (10), PPG;

Datsyuk (9) from Franzen (4) and Alfredsson (11), PPG.

Faceoffs 28-23 Detroit (Detroit won 55%);

Blocked shots 12-6 Detroit;

Missed shots 13-8 Detroit (total attempts 62-41 Detroit);

Hits 23-20 Detroit;

Giveaways 4-1 Detroit;

Takeaways 8-6 Detroit.

Individual stats:

Faceoffs: Helm went 7-and-8 (47%); Datsyuk went 9-and-6 (60%); Glendening went 5-and-4 (56%); Andersson went 6-and-2 (75%); Franzen went 1-and-1 (50%); Abdelkader and Miller lost their only faceoffs.

Shots: Samuelsson led the Wings with 5 shots; Alfredsson, Datsyuk and Franzen had 4; Kindl, Zetterberg, Helm and Kronwall had 3; Lashoff, Quincey, Bertuzzi and Ouellet had 2; Abdelkader, Miller, Tatar and DeKeyser had 1.

Blocked attempts: Kindl had 2 attempts blocked by Jets players; Alfredsson, Zetterberg, Ouellet and DeKeyser had 1 attempt blocked.

Missed shots: Kronwall missed the net 4 times; Abdelkader missed the net 2 times; Kindl, Miller, Tatar, Lashoff, Zetterberg, DeKeyser and Franzen missed the net 1 time.

Hits: Helm led the Wings with 4 hits; Ouellet and Franzen had 3; Kindl, Alfredsson, Glendening and DeKeyser had 2; Alfredsson, Miller, Quincey, Bertuzzi and Kronwall had 1.

Giveaways: Alfredsson, Bertuzzi, Kronwall and Ouellet had 1 giveaway.

Takeaways: Quincey had 3 takeaways; Datsyuk ahd 2; Abdelkader, Alfredsson and Bertuzzi had 1.

Blocked opponent shots: Kronwall blocked 3 Jets shots; Datsyuk and Miller blocked 2 shots; Abdelkader, Tatar, Lashoff, Quincey and Helm blocked 1.

Penalties taken: Kindl, Andersson and Franzen took minor penalties.

Plus-minus: The Wings finished at -10. Franzen finished at -2; Kindl, Alfredsson, Datsyuk, Quincey, Helm, Bertuzzi, Kronwall and DeKeyser finished at -1.

Points: Datsyuk had 2 goals; Alfredsson, Zetterberg, Kronwall and Franzen had assists.

Ice time: Kronwall led the team with 28:54 played; DeKeyser played 25:30; Kindl 24:05;

Quincey 23:13; Zetterberg 21:04; Alfredsson 20:53;

Datsyuk 20:34; Helm 19:48; Franzen 18:34;

Bertuzzi 16:46; Miller 15:02; Lashoff 14:59;

Andersson 14:31; Abdelkader 12:14; Tatar 10:31;

Glendening 10:06; Samuelsson 9:45; Ouellet 8:37.

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Chet's avatar

two words: “lackluster garbage.”

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 11/13/13 at 12:04 AM ET


When’s the last time the wings had this horrible of secondary scoring through a quarter of a season?

Posted by brians neck on 11/13/13 at 12:10 AM ET

topshelf14's avatar

I noted something during the game that plays a role in the Wings lack of scoring depth. When you look at guys like Setoguchi, Schiefle, Frolik all playing 3rd and 4th line minutes it shows that the Wings do not have any players besides Tatar in the bottom six that have or ever really had offensive upside. Miller, Abby, Andy, Glendening, even Helm have always been a solid grinder. We need to have guys that have some players that have proven in the past to be threats offensively. Because unfortunately the bottom 6 guys just can’t get it done.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 11/13/13 at 12:25 AM ET

George Malik's avatar

The Wings played pretty bloody well overall. They just didn’t get the job done results-wise.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 11/13/13 at 12:27 AM ET

topshelf14's avatar

And I am not upset with the 3rd and 4th line players because this is who they have been, who they are now, and who they will be for their entire careers.  What frustrates me is the expectation from Holland to re-sign these guys knowing they can’t contribute offensively.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 11/13/13 at 12:29 AM ET

George Malik's avatar

Please note that Samuelsson led the team in shots and Quincey led the team in takeaways.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 11/13/13 at 12:35 AM ET

topshelf14's avatar

I’m speaking about the 3rd and 4th liners like Eaves, Miller, Tootoo, Sammy, Cleary. All of these guys have proven they are nothing better than 5-10 goal guys. Kh needs goal scorers spread throughout the lineup, why not give chances to players that have proven on some pro level to have successfully scored goals before. There hasn’t been much risk taking, dice rolling creative thinking done by him on his bottom 6.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 11/13/13 at 01:06 AM ET


I didn’t watch this game, but if they truly did look like the Red Wings of better years, then they should just keep playing that way. Just do what they did tonight.

This game is why I agree with George on the “puck possession transcends personnel” idea. You can hang onto the puck with skill, strength, smarts, or willpower.

Posted by CrimsonPhoenix on 11/13/13 at 01:38 AM ET


those big bad jets they are scary the way they clutch grab hold slash! I don’t understand and never will why you get so mad all the time

Posted by jkm2011 on 11/13/13 at 07:59 AM ET


I agree with topshelf14.
We need 3 scoring lines. Not two 4th lines and a 2nd that can produce. We have too many Cleary, Sammy, Abby, Miller, Eaves, Glendening, Tootoo, Andy’s in our lineup that can’t seem to finish. Dont get me wrong we need a few of these type players but only 4 max in our btm 6. One in the press box as a spare. 3rd and 4th lines need to provide energy and have potential to score. 3rd line should have speed, some skill and finish ability. They need to find a way to get Nyquist in the lineup. We need his skill and at least he has potential to chip in offensively.

Posted by Anderj8 on 11/13/13 at 10:36 AM ET


Posted by topshelf14 from Hockeytown, USA on 11/13/13 at 12:06 AM ET

The problem, as I see it, is that Holland puts so much stock in guys like Draper and Maltby that he fails to see that they had a specific role on the team and that the other three lines need to be ones that can produce points.

You can’t win with a roster of only skill players but you also can’t win with too many role players.

When you have a Darren Helm, you maybe don’t need a Justin Abdelkader and if you have both you certainly don’t need Dan Cleary.  You don’t need both Eaves and Miller, they’re essentially the same player, and if you have one of them and Darren Helm you again don’t need Dan Cleary. And you don’t need a Tootoo ever.

And why, a top-six forward goes down, do you promote your fourth line centre to the second line and call up another fourth liner?  Or hell, if you want to put Helm on the second line why not have Abdelkader centre the fourth line and bring up a scoring winger?  Why not bring up someone from GR who has some offensive upside?  Why Glendening, another grinder, when Jurco and Jarnkrok are there?  Nyquist would obviously be the preference, but Jurco is scoring more than a point per game in GR, why not bring up him?

Nevermind that asking Helm to play second line centre is setting the team up for disappointment.  Have they already forgotten about Valtteri Filpulla?

This obsessive love for bottom six forwards is ridiculous.

Posted by Garth on 11/13/13 at 11:03 AM ET

DrewBehr's avatar

This obsessive love for bottom six forwards is ridiculous.

Posted by Garth on 11/13/13 at 10:03 AM ET

And it’s the same obsession that threw our roster into “clusterf*ck” mode from Day 1 this season, and we’re still trying to figure it all out.

Andersson, Nyquist and Tatar would be our third scoring line. They produced as the top line in GR, and I have no doubt they would do the same in DET. Even throw Helm in Andersson’s place, and have possibly better results.

But when you have Miller/Eaves/Abdelkader/Cleary taking up the bottom 6, and are throwing Tatar up on the top lines every now and then, you aren’t able to do that.

Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 11/13/13 at 01:40 PM ET


Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 11/13/13 at 12:40 PM ET


Posted by Garth on 11/13/13 at 02:34 PM ET

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