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Red Wings GM Ken Holland tells Khan, Pleiness that trades are unlikely, offers injury updates

As you might expect, Red Wings GM Ken Holland gave MLive's Ansar Khan and the Macomb Daily's Chuck Pleiness a late-Tuesday-night interview, and as of the present moment, Holland told Khan that it's highly unlikely that the Wings will make a move at this point, though he and the Wings' management staff will remain bunkered down at the Joe for the next day...

“With the people that were moved the last couple of days, in most cases I talked to those general managers,'' Red Wings GM Ken Holland said on Tuesday. “I don't know that there's a lot out there. We'll see what happens (Wednesday).''

The Red Wings are interested in adding a top-four defenseman or a top-six forward, but not at the expense of their first-round pick or any top prospects. Holland said they will not acquire any depth players.

“We made some competitive offers on a couple of players,'' Holland said. “Some players we couldn't get in the mix on. I'll explore until the deadline.''

Holland said he spoke to Dallas about 41-year-old right wing Jaromir Jagr, who was dealt to Boston. The Red Wings were interested in defenseman Jay Bouwmeester, but refused to part with a first-round pick. Calgary traded him to St. Louis on Monday.

“We traded a first-round pick last year (to Tampa Bay for defenseman Kyle Quincey), when we were first overall, concerned about losing (Nicklas) Lidstrom and (Brad) Stuart,'' Holland said. “We were going for it. You can't trade your first-round pick every year. You have to pick and choose when you go for it.''

Khan continues and suggests that the Wings might be interested in Derek Morris, Keith Yandle, Ryan Whitney, Mark Streit, Tomas Fleischmann (irony!), Curtis Glencross, Mike Ribeiro, Jason Pomminville and/or Drew Stafford (the reasons why yield, "Read the article")...

And Holland offered a slate of injury updates to Pleiness, who notes that Kyle Quincey hopes to return to the lineup ASAP while wearing a full cage, even though he can't feel his teeth right now:

Forwards Henrik Zetterberg (groin) and Mikael Samuelsson (upper body) are still listed as day-to-day according to Holland.

“We’re being conservative with Z,” Holland said. “But at the same time we’re in a playoff hunt. Sammy is very sore,” Holland added. “He skated on his own (Tuesday) but he doesn’t have full range of motion. He felt good so that’s a positive step.”

Holland said there’s a chance Zetterberg could play Thursday. Samuelsson, who just returned from a broken left index finger, is “on the horizon” according to Holland.

Forward Todd Bertuzzi (back) continues to progress and there’s a chance he could return in a couple weeks.

“Bert is feeling very good,” Holland said.

Darren Helm (back) saw another back specialist two days ago and it still looks like he’s heading in the right direction.

“We’ll start pushing it and see how it responds,” Holland said.

Update: in the prospect department, via DetroitHockey.net's Clark Rasmussen:

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gt500x's avatar

“We traded a first-round pick last year (to Tampa Bay for defenseman Kyle Quincey), when we were first overall, concerned about losing (Nicklas) Lidstrom and (Brad) Stuart,’’ Holland said. “We were going for it. You can’t trade your first-round pick every year. You have to pick and choose when you go for it.’‘

Something is seriously wrong with Holland’s definition of “going for it.”  I’m glad he picked and chose when to go for it last year with Quincey, the kid that we let go in favor of Chelios.  I pray to god that Holland doesn’t spend anything trying to add an aging player to the roster.  He needs to be shipping Flip and White out for a bag of draft picks.  Flip being on this team is not going to make or break its playoff run.

Posted by gt500x on 04/02/13 at 11:17 PM ET

John W.'s avatar

The Red Wings are interested in adding a top-four defenseman or a top-six forward, but not at the expense of their first-round pick or any top prospects.

Then he’s not interested in adding a top-four D-man or top-six forward.  I get not wanting to give much up for rentals/depth guys, but if you really want top talent, then what exactly do you expect to get them for?  It’s not even possible to get a Yandle, Fleischmann, or Pomminville without giving up a first and/or top prospect(s).  So which is it, is Kenny interested in top players, or isn’t he?

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 04/02/13 at 11:19 PM ET

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Then he’s not interested in adding a top-four D-man or top-six forward.  I get not wanting to give much up for rentals/depth guys, but if you really want top talent, then what exactly do you expect to get them for?  It’s not even possible to get a Yandle, Fleischmann, or Pomminville without giving up a first and/or top prospect(s).  So which is it, is Kenny interested in top players, or isn’t he?

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 04/02/13 at 11:19 PM ET

He’s basically saying that he wants to but he can’t.  It really begins to appear that he isn’t doing anything but making phone calls and going through the motions.  But anyway, I don’t want him to be a buyer so him not adding those players doesn’t bother me all that much.  This team isn’t close to seriously contending with any trade they can make this year.

Posted by gt500x on 04/02/13 at 11:31 PM ET

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Posted by gt500x on 04/02/13 at 11:31 PM ET

Yeah. I’m not saying he should or shouldn’t, just that you can’t say you want to add top players, but don’t want to give up anything in return.  It’s disingenuous. 

I’m right with you on Fil and White.  If Fil walks this summer and we get nothing for him, that’s an abject failure.  Especially when Columbus is looking for a top 6 forward in exchange for one of it’s 3 first round picks.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 04/02/13 at 11:36 PM ET

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So which is it, is Kenny interested in top players, or isn’t he?

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 04/02/13 at 11:19 PM ET

In reality if a legitimate 1-2 defensemen were available (say, Yandle ... not Bouwmeester) for a package that included the Wings’ first-round pick then it would probably be considered long and hard.

But looking around right now it seems that a 3-4 d’man is commanding a first-round pick ... and Detroit doesn’t need any more 3-4 d’men. Same thing with fringe second line wingers.

Hell, did you see what Ryan Frickin’ Clowe cost the Rangers? Maybe it’s particularly shocking to me as I watch a lot of Sharks games, but that’s horrible.

So Kenny will try his hand yet again at the free agent market (just like last year) and hope that there are some additional options after contract buyouts are used at the end of the season.

And just because a player is being bought out of a current contract (See: Marian Gaborik) doesn’t mean that they’re dog food and can’t be signed to a better contract by someone like the Wings.

Posted by SK77 on 04/02/13 at 11:40 PM ET

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I’m right with you on Fil and White.  If Fil walks this summer and we get nothing for him, that’s an abject failure.  Especially when Columbus is looking for a top 6 forward in exchange for one of it’s 3 first round picks.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 04/02/13 at 11:36 PM ET

And I’m 100% with this train of thought. If they could get two 2nd round picks for Fil, or somehow magically a 1st, I don’t see why they wouldn’t make that trade.

The problem with White is he isn’t worth crapola. Maybe a 6th round pick? Conditional 5th round pick if he scores the SCF winning goal?

Posted by SK77 on 04/02/13 at 11:43 PM ET

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The problem with White is he isn’t worth crapola. Maybe a 6th round pick? Conditional 5th round pick if he scores the SCF winning goal?

Posted by some kid on 04/02/13 at 11:43 PM ET

That’s not a “problem,” that’s something, which is much better than nothing.

Posted by gt500x on 04/02/13 at 11:48 PM ET

SK77's avatar

That’s not a “problem,” that’s something, which is much better than nothing.

Posted by gt500x on 04/02/13 at 11:48 PM ET

While it’s true that it’s “something”, I was perhaps countering that with a lot of the expectations around here that real changes are actually made with the team.

Going back to 2000, the Wings have had only one 6th round pick reach the NHL – Jan Mursak. For every late-round success story the Wings have, there are countless more than don’t pan out.

Not disagreeing with you, I’d like to see something over nothing ... just don’t have any expectations with a White trade in that it’ll actually help the franchise.

Posted by SK77 on 04/02/13 at 11:55 PM ET

gt500x's avatar

It may not do much other than show that our GM even has a phone.  Because so far we’ve only heard rumors that he has a phone and actually uses it to talk trades.

Posted by gt500x on 04/02/13 at 11:58 PM ET

George Malik's avatar

Holland and the management stated that they weren’t likely to make big deadline moves last week. I don’t like it, but the GM’s been consistent with his message.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/03/13 at 12:04 AM ET

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The more I look back at the last few years, the more trouble I have seeing any real failure on Holland’s part.

I wish we hadn’t kept Bert around this long…Samuelsson and Tootoo are still yucky signings…but his actions (or non-actions) at the trade deadlines?

I get it. Players are overrated and overvalued in today’s NHL. Keith Yandle isn’t a #1 defenseman. Nicklas Lidstrom was a #1 defenseman.

There haven’t been many good options available to the Wings over the last few years. And when there have been, like Parise or Suter, Holland has tried.

Posted by CrimsonPhoenix on 04/03/13 at 12:59 AM ET

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What are people’s problems with Bertuzzi? He’s been effective on Pav’s wing and in front if the net.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 04/03/13 at 01:22 AM ET

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The more I look back at the last few years, the more trouble I have seeing any real failure on Holland’s part.

Posted by CrimsonPhoenix on 04/03/13 at 12:59 AM ET

I agree, in that I don’t think Holland’s done anything to really hurt the team.  Unfortunately not failing isn’t the same as succeeding.

Posted by Valek from Chicago on 04/03/13 at 04:41 AM ET

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The same GM that was consistent with his message? He has been the one preaching about getting a top 6 forward. They have been out there, they are out there. What you want and what you are willing to spend is 2 different things. He has talked one way and acted another.

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 04/03/13 at 06:27 AM ET

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Holland has not been consistent with his message.  He said he was not sure if they would be buyers or sellers, not until the last few days has he spun his decision to not do anything to a willing a obedient media

Posted by bababooey on 04/03/13 at 09:00 AM ET

Leo_Racicot's avatar

- Burns
- Wiz
- Smith playing > 14 games in 2011-12
- Suter
- Schultz
- Carle
- Garrison
- Wideman
- Bouwmeister

All of these guys (and I’m sure I’m missing more) were opportunities for the club to secure a top pair d-man since Rafalski retired.  We’re still waiting.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 04/03/13 at 09:24 AM ET

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It really begins to appear that he isn’t doing anything but making phone calls and going through the motions

and that is probably hurting his image with other GMs.  they know he’s not serious, which means when they have an offer they just might not bother even wasting their time on him.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/03/13 at 01:21 PM ET

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