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Red Wings GM Ken Holland talks to WDFN, Fan 590 about Wings’ playoff chances, trades

Updated with Ken Holland's Fan 590 interview: Red Wings GM Ken Holland appeared on WDFN's Matt Sheppard show this morning, and Holland spoke at length to Sean Baligian about his team's playoff chances, their trade deadline philosophy about about essentially rebuilding on the fly.

WDFN's Twitter account posted some highlights from the interview:

Here's the interview:

And Holland's not done for the day:

You can listen to The Fan 590 online at the following link (http://player.rogersradio.ca/cjcl/on_air). Beware in-broadcast commercials :(

(and I'm just guessing here, but something tells me that the comments section discussions will get pretty heated, so be prepared for some significant grumbling--much of it understandable and justifiable--if you keep scrolling down).

Regarding Holland, from, well, me:

Update #2: Dave Davis of Kukla's Korner's own Sabres Observer sent me an MP3 of the interview:

Update: Via Paul, there's a video up as well:

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Lenny's avatar

Lenny, you can’t use the fact that Ken Holland—the man who said that he didn’t want to give up roster players because he liked the depth they had for a playoff run—didn’t move White as evidence that no one wants him.  Talk about his performance all you want, it doesn’t prove that Holland couldn’t have traded him for at least a 7th rounder like he did with Huskins.  If anything,  your recounting of White’s past makes it even more of a head-scratcher that Holland didn’t move him for a pick.  It’s fine to not want to question Holland but at some point you’ve got to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt—he’s gotten that since Rafalski retired.

Posted by gt500x on 04/10/13 at 02:48 PM ET

Im not giving Kenny the benefit of the doubt here at all. Kenny hasn’t done fak all for years and it should ultimately cost him his job.  IMO Kenny thinks he can sign Fil, probably just liek he thought he could sign Hudler before he went back to russia. Well he was handed the arbitrator rulign for him to be exact.  With that being said Id prefer to keep Fil and hope he can come out of this zero confidence slump hes been in all season.

I personally don’t think White is worth much to anyone else. Im willing to accept being wrong about that.  When he was with the Flames here a few years back he was god awful and i think only TPH made him look like anything other then that. Again just my opinion.

Im not on Kennys side here just to be clear, Sammy 2 year NTC awful ! Cola 2 years awful! Bert two year deal when we shoudl have cut ties, awful ! Qunicey for a 1st, awful…. Stuart should have been dealt at last years deadline again awful.

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 02:23 PM ET

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Did not and would not want Semin at any price. He could have signed him to a one year deal yes, but its sounds like he wasn’t even looked at due to character. No coincidence the Canes are 1-8 since he signed his WAYYY overpaid deal. Lemme guess Semin at 7 MM > Fil at 5

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 02:30 PM ET

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To the guy that said all SJ got for Clowe was a couple bottom six pluggers ...

Clowe, a two-time 20-goal scorer who, somehow, has none this season, cost New York a second- and third-rounder in 2013, plus another second-rounder in 2014 if they make the Eastern Conference finals or re-sign Clowe. If neither of those happens, the San Jose Sharks will receive a fifth-rounder.

Sounds like a terrific deal by the Sharks to me.  I’d be thanking KH every single day if he would have gotten that for Fil.

Posted by jkm2011 on 04/10/13 at 02:32 PM ET

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To the guy that said all SJ got for Clowe was a couple bottom six pluggers ...

Clowe, a two-time 20-goal scorer who, somehow, has none this season, cost New York a second- and third-rounder in 2013, plus another second-rounder in 2014 if they make the Eastern Conference finals or re-sign Clowe. If neither of those happens, the San Jose Sharks will receive a fifth-rounder.

Sounds like a terrific deal by the Sharks to me.  I’d be thanking KH every single day if he would have gotten that for Fil.

Posted by jkm2011 on 04/10/13 at 03:32 PM ET


Apologize i mixed up the CBJ deal for Gaborik with the Clowe deal.

forward Derick Brassard, defenceman John Moore, forward Derek Dorsett and a sixth-round draft pick in 2014.

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 02:35 PM ET

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Did not and would not want Semin at any price. He could have signed him to a one year deal yes, but its sounds like he wasn’t even looked at due to character. No coincidence the Canes are 1-8 since he signed his WAYYY overpaid deal. Lemme guess Semin at 7 MM > Fil at 5

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 03:30 PM ET

I wouldn’t want Semin long term but one year…. why not? Especially with cap space.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 04/10/13 at 02:35 PM ET

Lenny's avatar

I wouldn’t want Semin long term but one year…. why not? Especially with cap space.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 04/10/13 at 03:35 PM ET
 
My opinion is hes not a “Red Wings” type player personally. (Diva) They could use his skill level and then some though. Kenny’s been wasting cap space for years, nothing to see here.

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 02:38 PM ET

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hmm Lenny, didn’t realize Semin played goal.

I’d happily take Kessel, she’s an upgrade over ‘bout anything we got on the top 6 wing.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 02:40 PM ET

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Alex Semin is not the reason the ‘Canes went into a tailspin.  He was, however, the reason they were in contention for a division title for the first two months of the season.
Semin: 10 goals, 26 assists in 37 games
Fil: 7 goals, 7 assists in 32 games

And it’s not like you have to pick one over the other.  They could have/should have been on the same team.  The Wings probably have 8-10 more points in the standings with Semin on Pav’s wing instead of any number of players that have been tried and mostly failed there this year.

Posted by jkm2011 on 04/10/13 at 02:41 PM ET

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I would have taken Semin because we knew going into this season that it was going to be a rough one. Why not see how Datsyuk likes playing with him?  When your team isn’t doing squat and you’ve had wasted cap space for over a year you can afford to over pay Semin while waiting for your youngins to come up.

Posted by gt500x on 04/10/13 at 02:43 PM ET

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hmm Lenny, didn’t realize Semin played goal.

I’d happily take Kessel, she’s an upgrade over ‘bout anything we got on the top 6 wing.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 03:40 PM ET
lex Semin is not the reason the ‘Canes went into a tailspin.  He was, however, the reason they were in contention for a division title for the first two months of the season.
Semin: 10 goals, 26 assists in 37 games
Fil: 7 goals, 7 assists in 32 games

And it’s not like you have to pick one over the other.  They could have/should have been on the same team.  The Wings probably have 8-10 more points in the standings with Semin on Pav’s wing instead of any number of players that have been tried and mostly failed there this year.

Posted by jkm2011 on 04/10/13 at 03:41 PM ET


Its not lost on me that Ward is hurt. Semins play has dropped off dramatically since signing his deal, you don’t think a player on a one year deal is playing his ass off and doesnt slide a bit after being locked up long term…...mhmmm Frazen cough cough. He would look great on Pavs Wing, but like i said i don;t think he was even considered due to character.

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 02:46 PM ET

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I have watched him play and its funny that you bring up that play against the blues cause i was screaming at my TV at that exact moment to shoot the Fing puck. If you get Fil of last season he is worth Hudler in Calgary money, Fil of this year is not. Is this a case of contract negotiations affecting the player as it did Jimmy a few years back with the whoel Nabokov fiasco or a player that need a new team to excel? I really don’t know to be honest.

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 03:11 PM ET

Problem is Fil’s production last year was the anomoly, not the norm.  The guy is a 40-50 pt player, he just is I know we all, and the Wings, want him to be a 70 pt player, but he’s just not.  All I can say is thank God he wasn’t a UFA after last season or we really woulda got burned on his deal.  He puts up 3rd line Center numbers and should be paid as such.  Anything over $3M is way too much.  I’d like it to start with a 2 if we keep him at all.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 04/10/13 at 02:46 PM ET

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So are you saying you wouldn’t want Gaborik for a couple bottom six forwards (Miller, Cleary, Tootoo, Eaves, Abby, Emmerton—take your pick since the Wings have way too many of these types of players anyway), a depth defenseman (White/Cola maybe even Lash depending on the forwards) and a 6th rounder? 

Gaborik wouldn’t look good now and in the future on a Wings team that has very little speed and no snipers now or in the immediate pipeline?  When you have an opportunity to get a star player for little more than the price of his contract, you do it.  Seems to be working for CBJ, why not Ken Holland?  Take a chance, Kenny.  Sitting on your hands is the easy way to out.  Of course, maybe that’s what you want—to ease into retirement.

Posted by jkm2011 on 04/10/13 at 02:53 PM ET

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So are you saying you wouldn’t want Gaborik for a couple bottom six forwards (Miller, Cleary, Tootoo, Eaves, Abby, Emmerton—take your pick since the Wings have way too many of these types of players anyway), a depth defenseman (White/Cola maybe even Lash depending on the forwards) and a 6th rounder? 

Gaborik wouldn’t look good now and in the future on a Wings team that has very little speed and no snipers now or in the immediate pipeline?  When you have an opportunity to get a star player for little more than the price of his contract, you do it.  Seems to be working for CBJ, why not Ken Holland?  Take a chance, Kenny.  Sitting on your hands is the easy way to out.  Of course, maybe that’s what you want—to ease into retirement.

Posted by jkm2011 on 04/10/13 at 03:53 PM ET

I like the thought of a sniper for bottom six forwards and a 6th, but Gaborik has not been great this season and i would not want his cap hit while trying to sign all of our RFA’s.

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 03:10 PM ET

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He’s not having a great season because he isn’t meshing in NY anymore.  Coach issues.  Which is why I don’t think he’d be good for the Wings.  If he doesn’t like Torts don’t think he’ll like Babs.  Not to mention Richards in Cbus was his old coach in Minny.

And Brunners play dropped off after 10 goals.  Didnt’ score for like a month.  Must have bad character.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 03:17 PM ET

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Restricted free agents are all getting cheap deals ($1.8 million or less, most less than $1 million) this summer.  Taking a chance on Gaborik for 7.5 million for 1 additional year is a lot better than paying Fil 4.5 million for five to seven years.  For the third year in a row, the Wings will have plenty of cap space this summer.  Adding Gaborik by trading away some of those bottom-feeders wouldn’t have hurt the Wings at all—now or going forward.

Posted by jkm2011 on 04/10/13 at 03:28 PM ET

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And Brunners play dropped off after 10 goals.  Didnt’ score for like a month.  Must have bad character.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 04:17 PM ET


Hahah thanks for the laugh…..I guess i missed all the GM’s lining up for Semin this offseason. Oh wait, everyone and their dog said he has character issues. Maybe we should have brought him over to keep the flies off….. Hes good at slapping.

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 03:33 PM ET

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all this “we couldn’t have gotten anything worthwhile for Flip/Miller/Cleary/etc” stuff completely ignores all the deals that WERE made at the deadline for players in their category and price range.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/10/13 at 03:33 PM ET

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I wouldn’t want Semin long term but one year…. why not? Especially with cap space.

do people not realize the cap is going DOWN this offseason?

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/10/13 at 03:35 PM ET

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all this “we couldn’t have gotten anything worthwhile for Flip/Miller/Cleary/etc” stuff completely ignores all the deals that WERE made at the deadline for players in their category and price range.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 04/10/13 at 04:33 PM ET
 
Fil aside, which deals had should be on waivers players getting dealt for picks?

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 03:39 PM ET

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Hahaha, this is all very entertaining.  Bitch, piss and moan all you want kids but you’re not running the team.  I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… I’ll take Ken Holland and the Red Wing brain trust over anyone here including myself.

Posted by calquake on 04/10/13 at 03:41 PM ET

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Hahaha, this is all very entertaining.  Bitch, piss and moan all you want kids but you’re not running the team.  I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… I’ll take Ken Holland and the Red Wing brain trust over anyone here including myself.

Posted by calquake on 04/10/13 at 04:41 PM ET

Agreed, and i am willing to give Kenny this off season to do ANYTHING productive, but if i see Cleary signed again and Sammy and/or Cola not bought out he needs to step aside and give Nill the shot he deserves. Bert, please retire….

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 03:46 PM ET

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Hahaha, this is all very entertaining.  Bitch, piss and moan all you want kids but you’re not running the team.  I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… I’ll take Ken Holland and the Red Wing brain trust over anyone here including myself.

Posted by calquake on 04/10/13 at 04:41 PM ET

You’re right, anyone who isn’t a member of the Red Wings brass shouldn’t post on here because we don’t know anything.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 04/10/13 at 03:47 PM ET

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You’re right, anyone who isn’t a member of the Red Wings brass shouldn’t post on here because we don’t know anything.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 04/10/13 at 04:47 PM ET

Compared to them?  Hellz yes.  Post whatever you want.  It won’t change one. damn. thing.

Posted by calquake on 04/10/13 at 03:54 PM ET

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Good point Cal, we should all stop.  Honestly, by that logic, does it make sense to even follow the team outside of their games? 

No need for the Malik Report, no need for KK really.  Nothing I can’t get off box-scores.

I personally, enjoy the dialogue, I just don’t get the two apparent sides.  One doesn’t like the moves or non moves and explain why, cap numbers, contracts, comprables..

The other, just bitches at people for not liking Hollands decisions.  Nothing to back it up besides condescension and classifying dissenting OPINIONS as “bitching”

Nice.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 04:16 PM ET

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Nice.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 05:16 PM ET

The same people come here day after day after day with the same drumbeat.  Nothing wrong with criticism but you guys keep beating that dead horse.  Move on for cryin’ out loud, your posts will change nothing.  New people with criticism would be a welcome change over what we have now.  Carry on.

Posted by calquake on 04/10/13 at 04:24 PM ET

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The one thing that people seem to come back to when comparing all these deadline deals is that other teams value our players like they valued the players moved. It’s easy for us to say trade White for Murray compensation but like others have said White is just awful this year. You think anyone, anyone wants Danny Cleary? Drew Miller? Sure I like Miller a lot but the Penguins probably don’t think he is worth anything.

A lot of people are valuing our own players a lot more than I believe other teams are. I’m not saying Kenny couldn’t get anything for those guys but I get the sense that guys White and Cleary are worth squat, so comparing to what happened isn’t fair. But I’ll admit I have nothing to back this up…but neither do you guys and girls who think it’s easy to just trade two bottom 6 guys for similar compensation as someone who was traded.

Posted by peiz11 from Minneapolis on 04/10/13 at 04:29 PM ET

Lenny's avatar

The other, just bitches at people for not liking Hollands decisions.  Nothing to back it up besides condescension and classifying dissenting OPINIONS as “bitching”

Nice.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 05:16 PM ET

I would’t call it bitching at people for not liking his decisions,  I just think otherwise on dealing Fil as id rather sign him and i disagree with people that think our garbage players are worth picks.

Don’t get me wrong, I think holland should get off his ass and do something as this team is dying for a shoot first pure goal scorer like a James Neal type of player. I would have gladly dealt our first plus tatar or nyquist + Lash or Smith for that type of player.

Enjoy the dialogue as well tho

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 04:32 PM ET

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Anyone who believes that the Wings could not unload White, Fil, and Cleary for anything during the deadline must be using their hands to cover their eyes.  Look at what other teams got for players such as Murray who was declining and slow, Morrow who is hurt every other day, Jokinen who only scores in the shootout and is smaller than when Leino 1st came in the league, etc.  Holland just continues to put his loyalty, especially to veterans, who have played for the winged wheel and hoping they contribute in the post-season or help propel the team to the playoffs.  Problem is everyone except Holland and a few lemmings still believe in this MO.  Fil has continues to disappear and puts up meaningless pts on the rare occasion he does score.  Fil more than likely could’ve brought back a 2nd rounder at the deadline.  That is better than the 5th rd pick the Wings will get in the offseason when his rights are traded.  White likely could have garnered a 4th/5th pick at least when comparing him to the Leopold trade.  White is a healthy scratch more often than not.  Cleary is done.  He’s beat down.  His presence on the roster does nothing but steal ice time from the hungry young guys.  Most nights you would only know if Cleary was in the lineup after he failed to get the puck out of the zone or didn’t take his man.  Yet, Cleary could still have been moved for a 6th rd.  It’s better than just sending him off to sea for nothing in a month.  Especially considering how well the Wings are at nabbing players in the later rounds.

Posted by statelouis26 from Detroit, MI on 04/10/13 at 04:33 PM ET

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Yet, Cleary could still have been moved for a 6th rd

Posted by statelouis26 from Detroit, MI on 04/10/13 at 05:33 PM ET

Which playoff team offers us a sixth for broken down Dan Cleary? Fair Question, although he does have 8 goals somehow.

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 04:37 PM ET

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The Wings got a conditional 7th for Huskins.  They signed him during the season or claimed him off waivers (can’t remember exactly.)  You don’t think its plausible Cleary could be tossed for a 6th?  Seriously?  That’s like a quarter to a millionaire in the NHL sphere. IMO Holland thought Cleary and co. were worth more than a late pick and didn’t move them.  Ryan O’Byrne was traded for a 4th rd pick, most people have never heard of the guy, and he’s not a prospect.

Posted by statelouis26 from Detroit, MI on 04/10/13 at 04:45 PM ET

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Posted by calquake on 04/10/13 at 05:24 PM ET

Grumpy old man.  LOL

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 04/10/13 at 04:49 PM ET

calquake's avatar

Grumpy old man.  LOL

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 04/10/13 at 05:49 PM ET

And “GET OFF MY LAWN”. wink

Posted by calquake on 04/10/13 at 04:54 PM ET

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    calquake
     
      on 04/10/13 at 05:24 PM ET

Gotcha there big guy.  Put me in my place.  Sorry about that.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 05:10 PM ET

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Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 06:10 PM ET

You and I are never going to agree on some things.  I’ve not called you names nor have I attacked you.  We can agree to disagree.  I just am getting tired of the same arguments by the same people on a daily basis.  If that makes me a bad guy?  So be it.

Posted by calquake on 04/10/13 at 05:24 PM ET

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Between this thread and the last two, I have a simple request for each and every KK and TMR reader:

CALM THE *#$%@& DOWN.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/10/13 at 05:39 PM ET

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    calquake
     
      on 04/10/13 at 06:24 PM ET

I’d say that’s pretty astute, I don’t feel the need to agree with everyone I meet.  I enjoy hearing other perspectives, not just in hockey either.

And I don’t remember calling you any names or saying you’re a bad guy, soooo..???

And to be fair, I get tired of all the Holland Apologists.. but I haven’t once asked them to shut up about their opinions.. I’ve REPEATEDLY asked for explinations.. perfection’s been one of the few to actually give them.  Even if I don’t agree with them, I respect that they’re his opinions and he bothered to offer them in counter to mine, instead of “just shut up already”

But it looks like people can be shouted down, so kudos to you there.  I’ll shut up about my opinions on the Wings currently.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 05:52 PM ET

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Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 06:52 PM ET

George has asked us to calm down so this is my last response to you.

But it looks like people can be shouted down, so kudos to you there.  I’ll shut up about my opinions on the Wings currently.

I’m sorry… when did I shout you down?  When did I say “just shut up already”?  I know how you feel aboot Ken Holland.  Hell, is there anyone on TMR who doesn’t?  I’m just asking for you to let it go… you have made your point… many, many times.  It’s like reading the same article over and over again, nothing new.  Do whatever you want.  I’ll not address you again.

Posted by calquake on 04/10/13 at 06:03 PM ET

HockeytownOverhaul's avatar

whatever floats you’re boat, dude.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 06:13 PM ET

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Between this thread and the last two, I have a simple request for each and every KK and TMR reader:

CALM THE *#$%@& DOWN.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/10/13 at 06:39 PM ET

Hey, no one’s getting hurt.  Don’t get your butt in a pretzel.

Posted by gt500x on 04/10/13 at 06:27 PM ET

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The Wings made a mistake by not selling off at least White. There was a market for him (right handed offensive d-man that can QB a 2nd unit) and saying anything else is dishonest. They know he’s not going to re-sign and his presence wouldn’t have mattered in the playoff chase.

Glass Joe Colaiacovo is a candidate for a buyout because of the emergence of Kindl and Lashoff plus adding DeKeyser—those are 3 d-men the Wings weren’t counting on a few months ago—and lets all face the fact that Glass Joe can stay upright longer than Cola.

Samuelsson should be the other buyout. His leaving should be easily filled by Tatar.

Filppula leaves as an UFA when he gets 5.0M elsewhere. Use that money for a bought-out player.

Cleary gets re-signed by taking a 1M paycut.

Posted by d ca on 04/10/13 at 11:54 PM ET

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