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Red Wings GM Ken Holland talks to WDFN, Fan 590 about Wings’ playoff chances, trades

Updated with Ken Holland's Fan 590 interview: Red Wings GM Ken Holland appeared on WDFN's Matt Sheppard show this morning, and Holland spoke at length to Sean Baligian about his team's playoff chances, their trade deadline philosophy about about essentially rebuilding on the fly.

WDFN's Twitter account posted some highlights from the interview:

Here's the interview:

And Holland's not done for the day:

You can listen to The Fan 590 online at the following link (http://player.rogersradio.ca/cjcl/on_air). Beware in-broadcast commercials :(

(and I'm just guessing here, but something tells me that the comments section discussions will get pretty heated, so be prepared for some significant grumbling--much of it understandable and justifiable--if you keep scrolling down).

Regarding Holland, from, well, me:

Update #2: Dave Davis of Kukla's Korner's own Sabres Observer sent me an MP3 of the interview:

Update: Via Paul, there's a video up as well:

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“We’re on the bubble, so we had to be a little more conservative [at the deadline].”

Absolutely.  When you’re not sure if you’re good enough to make the playoffs, that’s when you don’t want to improve your team.

Posted by Garth on 04/10/13 at 11:52 AM ET

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I’m not getting all the hate on KH.  Sure, I wish he would have made a splash at the deadline but that’s totally based on my wanting to win it all now attitude.  If I step back and look at it logically, standing pat was the right move.  I think we can all agree that the Wings aren’t exactly built to win right now.  If anything they should have made a big move last trade deadline and try and get Nick his last ring but I digress.  Why sell off our future for this year?  We can’t be trading 1st rounders and blue chips for a Jagar or Iginla.  It has nothing to do with the cap or resigning Howie, Fil, Pav etc.  It has to do with 3-5 years from now when the kids will be coming up.  We can’t sell the horse to buy the cart.  I am OK with what KH is doing and in fact I think its probably genius.  He is a realist.  He knows that short of sneaking in and getting hot (see the Kings of last year), this is going to be an off year.  Regardless I really want the playoff streak to continue. If it does then it will be a successful season IMHO.  This off season we can retool, maybe pick up someone and start becoming the next generation of Wings.  Gone are the Yzerman, Lidstrom glory days.  They will come again though.  Maybe not this year or next but KH knows what he is doing.  Wait until about 4 years when the cap is pushing 74 mil (is that possible, I didnt read the CBA) and guys like Tatar and Nyquist are the Hank and Pav.  Kenny will look pretty damn smart then.

Posted by AxeMaster9 on 04/10/13 at 12:25 PM ET

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If anything they should have made a big move last trade deadline and try and get Nick his last ring but I digress.

But it’s not a digression because the reason people are pissed at him is not just this past deadline.  It’s deadline 2013, summer 2012, deadline 2012 and summer 2011.  He didn’t improve his team at all in any of those periods and in fact watched his team get worse without doing anything.

(see the Kings of last year)

Think about the Kings of last year.  What did they do?  They got better the previous summer and then got better again at the deadline.  Compare Dean Lombardi trading for a 30-40 goal scorer with Ken Holland trading Mike Commodore for a 7th rounder and trading a 1st rounder for a middling defenseman.

The Kings got better.  And this year they weren’t happy with where they were so they got better again, bringing in Robin Regehr.  Ken Holland traded Kent Huskins for a conditional draft pick.

Everyone can agree that the Wings aren’t built to win right now, so why not try to start building to win by either trading for someone who would make them better or trading their UFAs in order to get draft picks or prospects?  If “ultimately, it’s about drafting, developing and patience” then why not get more picks in the draft, so you can select more guys to develop?

You know, instead of doing nothing at all?

Posted by Garth on 04/10/13 at 12:34 PM ET

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I’m not getting all the hate on KH.  Sure, I wish he would have made a splash at the deadline but that’s totally based on my wanting to win it all now attitude.  If I step back and look at it logically, standing pat was the right move.  I think we can all agree that the Wings aren’t exactly built to win right now.  If anything they should have made a big move last trade deadline and try and get Nick his last ring but I digress.  Why sell off our future for this year?  We can’t be trading 1st rounders and blue chips for a Jagar or Iginla.  It has nothing to do with the cap or resigning Howie, Fil, Pav etc.  It has to do with 3-5 years from now when the kids will be coming up.  We can’t sell the horse to buy the cart.  I am OK with what KH is doing and in fact I think its probably genius.  He is a realist.  He knows that short of sneaking in and getting hot (see the Kings of last year), this is going to be an off year.  Regardless I really want the playoff streak to continue. If it does then it will be a successful season IMHO.  This off season we can retool, maybe pick up someone and start becoming the next generation of Wings.  Gone are the Yzerman, Lidstrom glory days.  They will come again though.  Maybe not this year or next but KH knows what he is doing.  Wait until about 4 years when the cap is pushing 74 mil (is that possible, I didnt read the CBA) and guys like Tatar and Nyquist are the Hank and Pav.  Kenny will look pretty damn smart then.

Most fans were not asking ken Holland to sell the farm, most fans were asking why he didn’t unload some dead weight for draft picks?  Most fans understand this team is in transition, so why not move some guys who don’t fit into your long term plans and give bigger roles to the kids?  Your comment about him being a genius has me laughing, thanks for that.

Posted by bababooey on 04/10/13 at 12:34 PM ET

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Comparing the Kings of ‘12 to the Wings of ‘13 is just silly.

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 04/10/13 at 12:39 PM ET

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Most fans were not asking ken Holland to sell the farm, most fans were asking why he didn’t unload some dead weight for draft picks?  Most fans understand this team is in transition, so why not move some guys who don’t fit into your long term plans and give bigger roles to the kids?  Your comment about him being a genius has me laughing, thanks for that.
Posted by bababooey on 04/10/13 at 12:34 PM ET

All of this ^^^^

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 04/10/13 at 12:40 PM ET

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Most fans were not asking ken Holland to sell the farm, most fans were asking why he didn’t unload some dead weight for draft picks?

Because a) what’s ‘dead weight’ worth, exactly? and b) he’s trying to ‘retool’ rather than ‘rebuild’.

I don’t understand why people don’t understand that.

Personally, if it was me, I’d have pulled the ripcord three weeks ago and started trading guys… but while I disagree with the general strategy in this case I can at least comprehend it’s purpose.  I can’t figure out how what Holland is doing now is so inscrutable, especially considering this is exactly what he did back in 04, 06 and 07.

Your comment about him being a genius has me laughing, thanks for that.

Yeah, I don’t know about ‘genius’ either, but I’ve yet to see anything approaching a substantive case that he’s anything lower than 3rd-5th among NHL GMs.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 04/10/13 at 12:47 PM ET

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A team like the Kings was able to make moves to bring in impact players because, after being bad for so long, they could spare guys like Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds and Jack Johnson for use as valuable trade chips because they already had guys like Anze Kopitar, Dustin Brown and Drew Doughty.

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 04/10/13 at 12:49 PM ET

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most fans were asking why he didn’t unload some dead weight for draft picks? why not move some guys who don’t fit into your long term plans and give bigger roles to the kids?
Posted by bababooey on 04/10/13 at 12:34 PM ET

Who is that exactly, and what do you envision they could have gotten for them?

Our defensive minutes are chock full of youth already, including critical PK minutes, how much bigger role do you envision?

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 04/10/13 at 12:58 PM ET

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Because a) what’s ‘dead weight’ worth, exactly? and b) he’s trying to ‘retool’ rather than ‘rebuild’.

Why do you think the Wings live in a vaccuum?  Teams around the league all managed to get something for the impending UFAs they weren’t going to re-sign.

To say that he couldn’t get anything for the likes of Filppula or White is more of an indictment of his abilities as a GM and anything I or anyone else could say.

 

Posted by Garth on 04/10/13 at 01:05 PM ET

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Who is that exactly, and what do you envision they could have gotten for them?

Our defensive minutes are chock full of youth already, including critical PK minutes, how much bigger role do you envision?


Ian White for starters, Kyle Quincey was had last year for a #1 draft pick, Doug Murray was had for a few high picks (one was a 2nd) Ian White could not have been moved for any pick?  A guy who you have no intention of bringing back, a guy who you don’t even play now?  I would move Cleary, Eaves and even have considered Miller, none of those guys figure into your long term or short term plans even, why not get something for them.

Posted by bababooey on 04/10/13 at 01:07 PM ET

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A team like the Kings was able to make moves to bring in impact players because, after being bad for so long, they could spare guys like Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds and Jack Johnson for use as valuable trade chips because they already had guys like Anze Kopitar, Dustin Brown and Drew Doughty.

LA has actually traded a ton of picks to help acquire players over the course of the past several years. Jack Johnson wasn’t drafted by LA, he was traded for in ‘06. Wayne Simmonds by was drafted by LA with a pick they acquired by TRADING for it. Jarret Stoll, Justin Williams, Matt Greene, Jeff Carter, Mike Richards and Dustin Penner were all acquired via trade. Yes, they were able to draft Brown, Kopitar and Doughty with high picks…but excluding those players that teams is comprised primarily of players that their GM went out and worked to bring in.

Posted by godblender on 04/10/13 at 01:10 PM ET

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Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 04/10/13 at 12:58 PM ET

Doug Murray went for two 2nd rounders.

KH said himself, market prices were too high.

We have 9 D men right now

We’ve got 4 of the last 12 points.

Filpulla’s a very real probably of not being able to be resigned.

How can KH not make moves because things are too expensive, but we have pieces other teams would like but don’t move them even though we have a glut.  We’d miss flips 14 points?  Garauntee another team would like a defesnively responsible center/winger for the playoffs who’s AT LEAST got A 66 point season under his belt.

Clowe didn’t ahve a goal ALL SEASON.  SJ didn’t get shit for him right?

Mind you, goes out and kills it his first game a Ranger.

If KH is such a great GM, how come he can foster these types of deals and stack the deck in a draft that’s supposed to be 03ish?

Standing in the middle of the road will get you nothing but hit.  Doing nothing and saying it’s making us better is horse-shit.  Commit to youth and the draft and unload things we dont’ have room for, or go for it with what you got and make us better if you really think it’s anyone’s game, I’d say the guy who takes his team and adds a 40 goal scorer getting the edge.  Worked for the Kings right?>

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 01:10 PM ET

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Not to mention what Gaborik was had for.  Coudl’ve been goodbye Cleary, Filpulla, White, 2nd rounder (Columbus had THREE 1st rounders and didn’t give a single one away)

Why do we need to have depth to the point of logjam just to be able to squeak in the playoffs with the same team that got almost swept last year?

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Don’t understand the blind loyalty like you’re on the payroll.  I’m paying them.  KH should be judged just like the players.

Letting players like Stuart walk for a conditional 7th.  Come on.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 01:13 PM ET

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most fans were asking why he didn’t unload some dead weight for draft picks? why not move some guys who don’t fit into your long term plans and give bigger roles to the kids?
Posted by bababooey on 04/10/13 at 12:34 PM ET

Who is that exactly, and what do you envision they could have gotten for them?

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 04/10/13 at 12:58 PM ET

Valterri Filppula.  At least a 2nd round pick and probably a 1st round pick.  If there is ever a guy that needed a change of scenery it’s him.  He’s stale on this team, and I guarantee there are other teams that would love to take a shot on a guy with his potential and defensive abilities.  But he’s never going to reach that potential on this team and sustain it.  But instead we’ll either grossly overpay for him, or trade him for a 7th rounder at the draft.  Yay.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 04/10/13 at 01:14 PM ET

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Posted by godblender on 04/10/13 at 01:10 PM ET

You’re wrong, GM’s can’t do that with a salary cap.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 01:14 PM ET

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Ian White for starters, Kyle Quincey was had last year for a #1 draft pick, Doug Murray was had for a few high picks (one was a 2nd) Ian White could not have been moved for any pick?  A guy who you have no intention of bringing back, a guy who you don’t even play now?  I would move Cleary, Eaves and even have considered Miller, none of those guys figure into your long term or short term plans even, why not get something for them.

Exactly. No one is going to convince me that Holland couldn’t have gotten some combination of picks involving a 1st and/or 2nd and possibly a couple of middle rounders in exchange for Filppula, White and possibly Miller or Clearly in a deal or two. Holland didn’t want to shop those guys because he “likes his team” and is guaranteed to make offers to all of them this summer so long as it fits within their budget…which is beyond ridiculous.

There’s no way White is coming back after being a healthy scratch regularly late in the season, and in order to retain Fillpula Holland will have to significant overpay for a guy who hasn’t done ANYTHING to indicate that he’s the player the organization would like for him to be. Miller is totally expendable/replaceable and Clearly doesn’t belong anywhere near any teams’ top 3 lines.

But yeah, keep em on board for this years big Cup run.

Posted by godblender on 04/10/13 at 01:19 PM ET

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Ha, I forgot about Fillpula, it will be interesting watching as KH and Fil do a big kabuki dance all summer until Fil signs elsewhere (Chicago I predict) and Holland is left holding his nuts.  And can we please stop talking about how the Wings want to hold onto Fillpula because they’re scared that Datsyuk will leave?  Fillpula is not even a second line center on this team NOW, how is he a hedge against Datsyuk leaving?  But this is what we’re going to hear all summer, or at least while other ufa’s sign, all we’ll hear about his how re-signing Fillpula was the best free agent move they could do this summer and that either they had to overpay for him or that they had to wait for him to decide because there was no one else

Posted by bababooey on 04/10/13 at 01:32 PM ET

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What is Ian White worth? Seriously, the Wings don’t even want him and everyone thinks he’s gonna fetch picks close to what Doug Murray brought in? Murray is slow but he brings a F of a lot more then White brings.  He’s what, #9 on Detroits depth chart at this point and Detroits D is far from good, so Kenny gets what for White exactly? IMO slightly more then Huskins…..

Everyone wants this team to improve, yet they want to trade Flip for a pick that won’t see the show for 4-6 years. I can just imagine this board when the wings dealt flip for a 1st and then drafted another Mccollum with that pick and had it pan out to SFA. Maybe they draft the next big thing, but come on Flip is not as bad as people make him out to be.

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 01:34 PM ET

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Exactly. No one is going to convince me that Holland couldn’t have gotten some combination of picks involving a 1st and/or 2nd and possibly a couple of middle rounders in exchange for Filppula, White and possibly Miller or Clearly in a deal or two.

Posted by godblender on 04/10/13 at 01:19 PM ET


Hahah, i can just imagine the convo now. “Kenny here, how about all of our dead weight for your 1st? Hello? Hello are you there? 

MIller - dime a dozen player in this league.

Clearly - Picked off the scrap heap and had a few good seasons till injuries took any skill and skating ability he had left. Has no trade clause

White - Was traded three times the year before the Wings signed him, and now hes worse then he was then. Noone wants this guy, wait till the summer and he will be like Cola, grabbed at the last second out of desperation by some clueless gm like Kenny did.

Fil - Agree 100% that he should have been dealt if he does indeed want 5 mm a year. If he can be had for Hudler money id certainly take him back at that price.

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 01:43 PM ET

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Well, things might look a little glum right now—-but put it all in context & it could be much worse.  We have people in charge that have won in the past, and expect to win in the future.  Also Mike Illitch didnt get dumb overnight, he still expects the best. 
It could be worse—-go back a number of years to the Darkness with Harkness & Dead Wing period—from the Slap Shots blog 2008….

In the 13 seasons that followed Harkness’s hiring, the Wings made the playoffs once and were an NHL laughingstock. No one called it Hockeytown back then, although the fans stuck by the club. Norris eventually sold the team to Mike Illitch who also struggled at first to rebuild the Wings.

It was a long hard road to today and what is probably the world’s most popular hockey team.
here is the link if you want to read the whole story—

http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/the-morning-skate-ned-harkness-and-the-fall-of-the-red-wings/

Posted by howie young on 04/10/13 at 01:43 PM ET

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Thanks for all your hard work George!

Posted by moserine on 04/10/13 at 01:51 PM ET

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  Most fans were not asking ken Holland to sell the farm, most fans were asking why he didn’t unload some dead weight for draft picks?  Most fans understand this team is in transition, so why not move some guys who don’t fit into your long term plans and give bigger roles to the kids?  Your comment about him being a genius has me laughing, thanks for that.
  Posted by bababooey on 04/10/13 at 12:34 PM ET

All of this ^^^^

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 04/10/13 at 12:40 PM ET

  Passion and disagreement I can understand.  This comment I don’t quite get.  Without mentioning specific players you want KH to unload “dead weight”.  If it’s dead weight, why would anyone take that offer.  Didn’t we get rid of Huskins (is that dead weight?), Commodore last year (dead weight?).  Like any job you work within the parameters you are given.  Maybe Kenny did offer up Fil and picks and whatever you want to say for a Gaborik of Ignla, but it takes two to tango (or three if there is a NMC or NTC).  Again I agree with we needed to make a move, I am not saying I like standing pat and not improving our team.  All I am saying is Kenny knows what he is doing, we don’t know what is going on behind closed doors and most importantly he has earned the right to run this team.  I can’t believe how quickly the best fans in the league are turning.  Its not like we are the friggin Dive.  Consistency is important, its what makes the Red Wings a respected organization.  30 teams want to win the cup and make blockbuster trades.  I’d say 21 years of playoffs, 4 cups….Ahh why bother.  The saving grace of this whole argument is that even if we were in 1st place, we would still be having this discussion.  Go Wings.

Posted by AxeMaster9 on 04/10/13 at 02:04 PM ET

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Seriously, the Wings don’t even want him and everyone thinks he’s gonna fetch picks close to what Doug Murray brought in?

So San Jose can get picks for the defensemen they don’t want but Detroit can’t?

Why is that?  Do you really think Ken Holland is THAT terrible a GM that he can’t get anything at all for a right-handed shot who could easily play on most teams’ second pairing?

He’s not a #1 guy but he’s coming off his second best year and just because he doesn’t fit into Detroit’s future doesn’t mean he won’t fit on another team.

Kinda like Clowe, Murray, Erat and so many other players whose GMs were able to get something for them.

Everyone wants this team to improve, yet they want to trade Flip for a pick that won’t see the show for 4-6 years.

And how will Detroit improve by letting him go for nothing on July 1st?

Posted by Garth on 04/10/13 at 02:13 PM ET

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If it’s dead weight, why would anyone take that offer.

It’s a figure of speech.

Posted by Garth on 04/10/13 at 02:14 PM ET

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Everyone wants this team to improve, yet they want to trade Flip for a pick that won’t see the show for 4-6 years. I can just imagine this board when the wings dealt flip for a 1st and then drafted another Mccollum with that pick and had it pan out to SFA. Maybe they draft the next big thing, but come on Flip is not as bad as people make him out to be.

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 01:34 PM ET

You do realize that Fil’s contract expires at the end of the year and hes reportedly asking for FIVE MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, right?  He’s not worth anywhere near $3M, and honestly, I don’t want him on the team as anything more than a 3rd line center at a max of $2.5M, and I’d like it to be closer to $2M.  So now tell me, would you rather trade him for a pick, overpay this summer for him, or let him walk for NOTHING.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 04/10/13 at 02:21 PM ET

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Posted by Garth on 04/10/13 at 02:13 PM ET

So San Jose can get picks for the defensemen they don’t want but Detroit can’t?

Murray is a more coveted asset to have, Size, strength, can fight, slow but solid. White is none of those things.

Why is that?  Do you really think Ken Holland is THAT terrible a GM that he can’t get anything at all for a right-handed shot who could easily play on most teams’ second pairing?

Who’s second pairing is White gonna play on? Better yet who is gonna give up picks for this guy? Give me some examples and change my opinion.

He’s not a #1 guy but he’s coming off his second best year and just because he doesn’t fit into Detroit’s future doesn’t mean he won’t fit on another team.

Again, White had his best season playing with TPH and its pretty fair to say this years version of White is the same version that was dumped by three teams two years ago. Take off the blinders, white sucks hence why hes a healty scratch again and why he wasn’t dealt. WHO wants him? Isn’t that why he came cheap as a FA after all the big guys were signed on the blueline in FA?


Kinda like Clowe, Murray, Erat and so many other players whose GMs were able to get something for them.

Everyone wants this team to improve, yet they want to trade Flip for a pick that won’t see the show for 4-6 years.

And how will Detroit improve by letting him go for nothing on July 1st?

I agree that letting him walk for nothing is idiotic, but would you want what Clowe brought in for Fil? More bottom 6 forwards? IMO Kenny thinks he can re-sign him to a 4-4.25 deal and some may think thats high even at that but id pay it.

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 02:26 PM ET

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IMO Kenny thinks he can re-sign him to a 4-4.25 deal and some may think thats high even at that but id pay it.
Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 02:26 PM ET

BLACCCHHHH!!! 4+ is highway robbery (and probably what we’ll pay)  sick

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 04/10/13 at 02:29 PM ET

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You do realize that Fil’s contract expires at the end of the year and hes reportedly asking for FIVE MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, right?  He’s not worth anywhere near $3M, and honestly, I don’t want him on the team as anything more than a 3rd line center at a max of $2.5M, and I’d like it to be closer to $2M.  So now tell me, would you rather trade him for a pick, overpay this summer for him, or let him walk for NOTHING.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 04/10/13 at 02:21 PM ET

Yes i realize his contract expires. and the Key word there is reportedly asking.  Iginla reportedly was traded to Boston….. Maybe he wants 6 mil a year, how do any of us know, but one person said it so its now gospel thats his asking price. Fil is gonna make Abby money…...OK….I guess since my options are only to overpay hm now or let him walk i guess ill have to overpay

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 02:30 PM ET

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No one is turning AxeMaster, they are rightly criticizing the management of this team—one that continues to blow opportunity to parlay unneeded roster players and UFAs to facilitate the youth movement, and/or find free agents to replace the fading core of this team.  Holland hasn’t done so much since Rafalski retired to absolve him of criticism.  Sure, ignorance is bliss but some of us can’t simply trust management that’s unproven in the cap era.  Before anyone brings up 2008, the core of that team was still in it’s prime and the team only needed plugs to fill the gaps.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that the Wings are doomed to become an unwatchable mess—there is talent in our system but it isn’t elite talent.  That’s cause to be concerned about the future, especially when Holland is letting opportunities to make sensible moves slip through his fingers.  He absolutely has to do better at rebuilding this team THIS summer.  If he can’t figure out what to do, he needs to find someone who can.

Posted by gt500x on 04/10/13 at 02:36 PM ET

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IMO Kenny thinks he can re-sign him to a 4-4.25 deal and some may think thats high even at that but id pay it.

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 02:26 PM ET

How is Fil worth anything near that?  Especially with the cap going down.  Have you watched him play at all this year?  He won’t shoot and most of the time won’t do anything.  How about last game against the Blues when he received a pass in the right circle, was wide open, and faded into the boards and did nothing.  Or the game earlier this year (don’t remember which game) when he entered the zone wiith the puck with 5 seconds remaining, trailing by 1, and instead of throwing the puck toward the the net just skated along the boards until time expired.  The guy is absolutely afraid to try to make any kind of play, and I have no idea why.  But his time here is over, the guy needs a fresh start and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him step it up with a new team. And I bet there was a GM willing to take the chance that the team he does that with is his team.

Ken Holland apologists can say whatever they want, but no one can ever convince me that it makes sense to say we won’t bolster our playoff chances so we can protect the future and also say we’re not trading expiring contracts for draft picks because it would hurt our playoff chances.  In this game we have to pick a direction, because picking no direction makes you the Calgary Flames over the past 5 years.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 04/10/13 at 02:41 PM ET

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And who out there actually thinks Sir Holland is gonna give Pasha the winger he should have? Ya know, a sniper.
Bueller?
Bueller?

(fast forward to next October) “The prices were too high” or “None were available”

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 04/10/13 at 02:43 PM ET

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Lenny, you can’t use the fact that Ken Holland—the man who said that he didn’t want to give up roster players because he liked the depth they had for a playoff run—didn’t move White as evidence that no one wants him.  Talk about his performance all you want, it doesn’t prove that Holland couldn’t have traded him for at least a 7th rounder like he did with Huskins.  If anything,  your recounting of White’s past makes it even more of a head-scratcher that Holland didn’t move him for a pick.  It’s fine to not want to question Holland but at some point you’ve got to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt—he’s gotten that since Rafalski retired.

Posted by gt500x on 04/10/13 at 02:48 PM ET

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Vladdy, they’ll do it by committee.  You don’t need great players, because all the other ones can make up for their play by committee.  Hense, Pav’s rotating wing this year.

You can’t have, say a Malkin Crosby centering player like Neal and Iginla.

You can’t have Kopitar’s and Richards centering Carter’s and Williams’

No Toews and Bolland centering Sharp’s, Hossa’s, Kane’s.

Those kinds of situations don’t exist.  You’d have to go without a legit #1 D-man to have teams like those….............

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 02:55 PM ET

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Vladdy, they’ll do it by committee.  You don’t need great players, because all the other ones can make up for their play by committee.  Hense, Pav’s rotating wing this year.
You can’t have, say a Malkin Crosby centering player like Neal and Iginla.
You can’t have Kopitar’s and Richards centering Carter’s and Williams’
No Toews and Bolland centering Sharp’s, Hossa’s, Kane’s.
Those kinds of situations don’t exist.  You’d have to go without a legit #1 D-man to have teams like those….............
Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 02:55 PM ET

Ahhh…. now I get it. So that’s prolly why Kenny didn’t go after Semin last summer even though he coulda (obviously) been signed for one year and we had cap space (and still do which is sweet. Look at all the money he’s saving)

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 04/10/13 at 02:59 PM ET

HockeytownOverhaul's avatar

Ahhh…. now I get it. So that’s prolly why Kenny didn’t go after Semin last summer even though he coulda (obviously) been signed for one year and we had cap space (and still do which is sweet. Look at all the money he’s saving)
   
   
Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 04/10/13 at 02:59 PM ET

EXACTLY!!!  Here I thought guy’s like us were the stupid ones, who just didn’t get it.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/10/13 at 03:07 PM ET

The Meal's avatar

“27. Montreal Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin wouldn’t comment on this story, but another source told me it was true, so I’m going with it. In 2006, when Chris Pronger asked to be traded from Edmonton, Chicago had a shot at getting him. Bergevin worked for the Blackhawks, who decided not to make the trade because they weren’t ready to win. The deal included the draft pick that landed either Jonathan Toews or Patrick Kane (the source wasn’t sure which). Can you imagine? Bergevin remembers that outcome and it shapes his philosophy. Don’t swing for the fences unless your team has certain staying power.” — Elliotte Friedman

Posted by The Meal on 04/10/13 at 03:10 PM ET

Lenny's avatar

How is Fil worth anything near that?  Especially with the cap going down.  Have you watched him play at all this year?  He won’t shoot and most of the time won’t do anything.  How about last game against the Blues when he received a pass in the right circle, was wide open, and faded into the boards and did nothing.  Or the game earlier this year (don’t remember which game) when he entered the zone wiith the puck with 5 seconds remaining, trailing by 1, and instead of throwing the puck toward the the net just skated along the boards until time expired.
Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 04/10/13 at 02:41 PM ET

I have watched him play and its funny that you bring up that play against the blues cause i was screaming at my TV at that exact moment to shoot the Fing puck. If you get Fil of last season he is worth Hudler in Calgary money, Fil of this year is not. Is this a case of contract negotiations affecting the player as it did Jimmy a few years back with the whoel Nabokov fiasco or a player that need a new team to excel? I really don’t know to be honest.

Posted by Lenny on 04/10/13 at 03:11 PM ET

OnlyWings's avatar

With Fil, maybe sign him before he is a UFA to a REASONABLE (not $5M) contract with NO NTC., NMC, etc.

Then trade him over the summer before training camp.

I can’t believe the Wings will give him anywhere near $5M or let him walk for nothing.

I hope KH shopped him at the deadline. I don’t understand why Tatar was not added to the expanded roster to add depth to the Wing’s forwards.  All we have now is Tootoo or Eaves sitting.  Using reinforcements and Samuelsson in the same sentence is ridiculous.  He is useless , out of shape and was a KH Signing Blunder, IMO.

Posted by OnlyWings on 04/10/13 at 03:18 PM ET

w2j2's avatar

Holland should sign Amanda Kessel to play on Pavel’s Wing:

http://kuklaskorner.com/hockey/comments/gold-for-team-usa-in-the-womens-world-championship

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Posted by w2j2 on 04/10/13 at 03:20 PM ET

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