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Red Wings-Flames tailings: injury stuff, on Alfredsson, Datsyuk and the fans

As I try to get back up to speed after the Red Wings' 3-2 OT win over the Calgary Flames, the Free Press's Helene St. James delivered superb news regarding Justin Abdelkader, Danny DeKeyser, Johan Franzen, Darren Helm, Jimmy Howard, Gustav Nyquist and Henrik Zetterberg...

Lost amidst Daniel Alfredsson's 3-point performance...

MLive's Ansar Khan noted that Niklas Kronwall personally thanked the fans at the Joe for sticking with a struggling team...

"The fans deserve it,” Kronwall said. “Fans were outstanding tonight and I think when we scored the last one I don’t know if I heard it louder in this building in quite a while. They’ve been sticking with us. Things haven’t always gone our way but we feel like we have them behind us. They’re very loyal, and I think the least we can do is applaud them for coming here and still supporting us.”

Alfredsson may have summarized the "state of the team" perfectly while speaking with DetroitRedWings.com's Bill Roose...

On ending the team’s 0-9 overtime losing streak: “I mean we’re not playing our best. I don’t think we did either but we have to have the effort I think we gotta build from that. It’s great to see everybody working hard but you know it’s one game and we got two more here before Christmas and like to really finish strong before the little break we have.”

And Wings coach Mike Babcock offered wise words regarding Pavel Datsyuk's status as "looking more like himself" (after having some rough outings while remembering how to play "fearless" again while speaking with the Macomb Daily's Chuck Pleiness:

“I thought part way through the second he got going,” Babcock said of Datsyuk. “I thought their line had the toughest time through the first period. We kind of split them up in the second and then I thought he got going as did Alfredsson as well. You need your big guys, especially when you’re shorthanded, especially offensively for us because of the players we dressing. Our team competed.

“You need guys, not to talk necessarily, but lead by example on the ice,” Babcock continued. “Make a play when you need one. Then everyone settles down and relaxes. Our captain (Henrik) Zetterberg is a hard-headed guy. He’s got stick-to-itiveness and we miss that part of his game so other guys have to step up.”

Also, part 1: I will just do the best I can in terms of battling through whatever bug's stuck with me for the last two months...

Also, part 2: Very seriously, I know someone who has tickets to both the Great Lakes Invitational on Friday, December 27th (Comerica section 147, row S, seats 5 &6) and the Winter Classic itself (Big House section 12, row 86, seats 15 & 16) and that person simply wants to break even on the tickets--$364 face value--and wants to be reimbursed via Paypal. If you are interested please email me at georgemalik at kuklaskorner dot com.


Quickie update: For the record, NHL.com's Brian Hedger spoke with Ken Holland regarding one Stephen Weiss, who will probably have surgery on his groin at some point in the future:

Weiss, who will see a specialist in Philadelphia on Friday about his injured groin, has two goals and four points in 26 games for Detroit since signing a contract this past summer for a reported five years and $24.5 million.

"I don't care what sport you are, when you look at an athlete you look at what they've accomplished over a period of time," Holland said after Detroit's morning skate Thursday at Joe Louis Arena. "Every athlete probably has one year that's way better than the norm and one year worse than the norm, but there's a lot of statistics that are somewhat similar. When you look at the book on Weiss, it says 48 points five of the last seven years."

Weiss made his NHL debut in 2001-02 with the Florida Panthers by playing seven games and spent parts of the next 10 seasons with that franchise, totaling 145 goals and 394 points in 654 regular-season games. In 2011-12 Weiss helped the Panthers qualify for the Stanley Cup Playoffs by putting up 20 goals and 57 points in 80 games. Last season, a wrist injury limited him to 17 games; he finished with one goal, three assists and a minus-13 rating. Holland is betting that last season's results plus the start of this season are all part of Weiss' "worse than normal" career chart.

"He's 30, not 36," Holland said. "Do I think he can be that [48-point] guy? Yeah. I don't have any reason to think why he can't be that guy. [He's] got to get healthy and confidence is a factor."


"[We've] got to get him healthy," Holland said. "We want him to be a factor this year. Hopefully he doesn't need surgery, but if he does need surgery let's have surgery. We need him. He's an important part of what we're trying to do. We're trying to get him healthy. It doesn't appear that he's going to skate anytime soon."

As for the big contract, Holland isn't ready to call it a failure.

"We like the signing," he said. "For a variety of reasons it hasn't worked out the way we both had hoped, but it's a five-year contract. You see lots of times where a guy has a down year and the next year they bounce back."

Quickie update #2: Here's the NHL's press release regarding the second episode of HBO's 24/7 series:


DEC. 21 EPISODE Episode #2

Debut: SATURDAY, DEC. 21 (10:00-11:00 p.m. ET/PT)

Other HBO playdates: Dec. 21 (5:50 a.m.), 22 (11:30 a.m.), 23 (6:00 p.m., 1:40 a.m.), 24 (2:30 p.m., 10:00 p.m.), 25 (3:45 p.m., 11:00 p.m.), 26 (midnight) and 28 (9:30 a.m., 10:00 p.m., 3:25 a.m.)

 HBO2 playdates: Dec. 22 (11:30 p.m.), 27 (9:00 p.m.) and 30 (12:30 p.m.)

Toronto savors their win over the reigning NHL® champion Chicago Blackhawks as the competition between Maple Leafs goalies Jonathan Bernier and James Reimer picks up.  Detroit heads to Tampa where Red Wings legend Steve Yzerman is now the general manager of the Lightning.  Both teams are challenged by a busy mid-December schedule that features four games in the span of six days.

For the first time, all four episodes of the HBO Sports HD presentation debut in prime time, on consecutive Saturday nights. Episode three debuts on Saturday, Dec. 28. The series finale debuts Saturday, Jan. 4, three days after the 2014 Bridgestone NHL Winter Classic®, with cameras tracking all the drama of game day in Ann Arbor, MI.  The series will also be available on HBO ON DEMAND and HBO GO.

With 17 Sports Emmys®, “24/7” is the most-honored sports series of the past six years. At the 2012 Sports Emmy® Awards, the series received the Dick Schaap Writing Award for “24/7 Flyers/Rangers,” the third Sports Emmy® for the “24/7” NHL franchise. Launched in 2007, the earliest editions of “24/7” were devoted to boxing.

The executive producer of 24/7 RED WINGS/MAPLE LEAFS: ROAD TO THE NHL WINTER CLASSIC is Rick Bernstein; senior producer, Dave Harmon; coordinating producer, Bentley Weiner; producer, Thomas Odelfelt; writer, Aaron Cohen; narrator, Liev Schreiber.

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I envision the best lines moving forward for the season and also next as this.

Jurco Pavs Alred
Nyq Hank Franzen
Tatar Helm Bert
Miller Andy Abes

Kron E52
DK Kindl
Smith Lash


Scratch - Cleary, Sammy, Quincey

Send Down - Tootoo, Eaves, Sheahan. Glendenning, Mrazek.

LTIR - Weiss.

We have enough roster space to do it. And with Weiss on the LTIR we then have 23 roster spots and not 24.

I think playing Jurco for the rest of the season will seriously help his development. He needs to learn how fast the game is up in the NHL, his hands and moves are sick, he finishes checks and skates hard into his own zone and out to the points.

And some consistancy in the lines will be helpful with chemistry prior to the olympic break.

Also, Bert, Alfred, Sammy, Cleary, Q, Gustafson, all come off books next year.
With that we have enough money to sign someone like Gaborik or his caliber/pay.
Could also buyout Weiss and sign Statsny.
Could also try and trade Kindl, Sheahan and a 1st for a solid top line D-man.
And still be 4 mil under cap at 71 Mil.

Just rambling, but the only person who should be considered re-signing is Alfredsson.
DK and Tatar will get raises, but thats expected. I see DK at 3 mil a year for 3-4 years.
Tatar at 1.8, similar to Helm’s 2nd deal with wings.
Still keeps us way under cap. Yes, love armchair gm at capgeek.com.

But if Quincey is serviceable, then why not trade him pre-deadline, could fetch a 2nd maybe, or 3rd at worst from team that seriously needs a D man, like NYI or Edm. Edm showed last night they are clearly ok with dealing.
Though rosters frozen now so we have to wail til 28th. But Kenny needs to do something, especially with the D and especially with how well Oulette and Sproul have developed in the AHL.

Posted by Munnster9 on 12/20/13 at 11:46 AM ET


Let’s just cut to the chase… Is Weiss done for? I don’t think the Wings are ready to give up on him but I will definitely say if Weiss has surgery he will out for the rest of the season, and who knows if he’ll find his “offensive” touch. NOW I WISH we had Filpula instead…

Posted by Pasha1277 on 12/20/13 at 11:53 AM ET


Also, Bert, Alfred, Sammy, Cleary, Q, Gustafson, all come off books next year.
With that we have enough money to sign someone like Gaborik or his caliber/pay.
Could also buyout Weiss and sign Statsny.
Could also try and trade Kindl, Sheahan and a 1st for a solid top line D-man.
And still be 4 mil under cap at 71 Mil.

I don’t think we could get a #1 or #2 for Kindle, Sheahan and #1… They would want someone like Tartar or Nyquist, and a #1. But honestly, the way this team’s defense is, I would hate to give tats or nikke up but I would rather have a GREAT solid defense like…
#1, Kronwall
Big E, Dekeyser
Lashoff, (kindl, smith)

Quincey.. you could ship him to Australia and forget about him, lock him, no one will buy him until he starts playing like an NHLer, instead of a… (Oh shit, let me cough the puck up and let the other team score so we can continue our losing streak)

Posted by Pasha1277 on 12/20/13 at 11:59 AM ET


NOW I WISH we had Filpula instead…

I wish they had picked up a younger-than-Alfie goal-scoring winger instead of a second-line centre when they have two (Zetterberg and Franzen) readily available.

I 100% do NOT wish they re-signed Filppula.

Posted by Garth on 12/20/13 at 12:50 PM ET


I agree about it being tough to get a top line D man for Kindl, Sheahan and a #1, but, if you look at the other deals, Vanek, Pommiville, Its in the same range somewhat.

Jets need a D man and vet presence as noted by KuklasKorner.

As much as i hate Q, he still has trade value, time to see what it is when we get 6 healthy and capable D men back (meaning DK’s Return).

would also rather have Filpula back, but oh well, decisions were made, right or wrong.

But Kindl is expendable because of how stay at home Lash has become and the offensive Flash Smith has.
Along with Almquist, Oulette and Sproul being capable 7th D men, who lets be honest, would all 3 be logging top 4 minutes on a handful of teams.

Posted by Munnster9 on 12/20/13 at 12:53 PM ET


The thing is what team is even willing to get rid of a D-man that’s #1 or #2? Like.. no team is willing to do that. They are so rare that they hold onto them more than forwards. For example, I read an article where Phoenix Captain Doan said (more or less) that Oliver Eckman Larson was worth more to the team than someone like Sidney Crosby.

Posted by Pasha1277 on 12/20/13 at 03:31 PM ET

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As much as i hate Q, he still has trade value, time to see what it is when we get 6 healthy and capable D men back (meaning DK’s Return).

If another team wanted Quincy, he’d be gone by now.  He’s too expensive with today’s cap.  If we got a 5th or 6th rounder we’d be lucky - just to dump his cap hit. 


Posted by TreKronor on 12/20/13 at 03:36 PM ET

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I’d have to agree with Pasha1277. Any team willing to listen to offers from the Wings would want to gut our team for a #1 or #2 D-man. Our best chance is if a #1 or #2 D-man somewhere asks for a trade, and then that becomes public knowledge, giving us leverage.

Also, trading Quincey for picks? If we make the playoffs having him would benefit us more, even if he walks after this season. Regardless of his inconsistent play, he’s a regular and we need the depth on D.

Posted by babymachine from Portland, Oregon by way of Macomb, Michigan on 12/20/13 at 03:59 PM ET

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