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Red Wings-Flames quick take: Shootout at the Saddledome goes Calgary’s way

The Detroit Red Wings attempted to sweep their Western Canadian road swing as the Wings squared off against the Calgary Flames on Thursday evening.

The Wings were too leaky early and too snake-bitten late, but in the middle, Detroit was out-scored 6-3 by a Calgary Flames team that managed to keep the puck out of the net pretty well despite 42 Wings shots and 76 Wings attempts. Mike Smith was excellent, and the empty-netter belies what was really a 5-3 Flames win...

And Anthony Mantha managed to post 1 goal and 2 assists but finish at -2, Martin Frk scored a beautiful goal but finished at -2, Frans Nielsen had another strong game, posting a goal and an assist and a +2, and Dylan Larkin led the Wings with 6 shots, 9 attempts and a 12-and-7 faceoff record, but finished at -4. It was a weird one all around, and whether you want to blame Petr Mrazek for being not quite good enough or the defense for being too leaky when Johnny Gaudreau was on the ice...

It's going to be interesting to see what the Wings do when they come home to battle Columbus on Saturday.

The Red Wings dressed the following lineup...

And the Flames posted their lineup on their website:

FORWARDS

Johnny Gaudreau - Sean Monahan - Micheal Ferland

Matthew Tkachuk - Mikael Backlund - Michael Frolik

Sam Bennett - Mark Jankowski - Jaromir Jagr

Kris Versteeg - Curtis Lazar - Troy Brouwer

DEFENCE

Mark Giordano - Dougie Hamilton

TJ Brodie - Michael Stone

Brett Kulak - Rasmus Andersson

GOALTENDER

Mike Smith

The Red Wings started Luke Glendening, Frans Nielsen and Darren Helm at forward, Niklas Kronwall and Mike Green on defense and Petr Mrazek in the net;

The Flames started Mark Jankowski, Sam Bennett and Jaromir Jagr at forward, Mark Giordano and Dougie Hamilton on defense and Mike Smith in net.

The 1st period took a little while to start due to Military Appreciation Night, but that's okay. The Flames put on a dignified show.

1st period observations:

  • Nielsen tied up the draw and Kronwall and Green chipped the puck in, Calgary skated to center, Green slid the puck back into the Flames' zone, and Detroit began to change lines only 20 seconds into the game. In the confusion at both teams' benches, Frans Nielsen skated up the right wing and got the first shot on Mike Smith some 28 seconds into the first period.
  • Tatar, Larkin and Abdelkader took a faceoff deep in the Flames' zone, Larkin got on his high horse and wrapped around the Flames' net, slid a puck out to Green, and he was stopped. The Wings re-set at center and as Mantha came off the bench, he chugged up the left wing side and fired a shot on Smith at 1:12.
  • Mantha, Nyquist and Zetterberg took a deep zone draw and won it, cycling the puck to the line, where Ericsson blasted a heavy shot on Smith, who made a big toe save.
  • Calgary was able to generate their first shot on a rush at 2:10, with Versteeg, Brouwer and Lazar working on the Flames' fourth line, and Athanasiou, Wilson and Frk hopped over the boards to challenge them.
  • Nielsen's line completed the 4-line rotation just under 3 full minutes into the game.
  • Once again, the Wings worked the puck back to the point and tried to get a long shot in past Smith on the glove side, with Ouellet's shot being tipped down by Nielsen, but Smith was on to the Wings' ploy.
  • Calgary's Johnny Gaudreau just walked into the Wings' zone, split the D and slid a sneaky shot on Mrazek, but Petr made a good stop. It was kind of scary to see the way Gaudreau made the Wings look silly sans any resistance.

Regrettably Anthony Mantha got tagged for roughing at 5:12 of the 1st, buying into what defenseman Michael Stone was selling in terms of hacks and whacks.

  • Larkin, Glendening, Daley and Ericsson got caught by Gaudreau sliding into the middle of the ice, but Mrazek made a massive glove stop;
  • Nielsen, Helm, Daley and Ericsson worked the second PK shift, and the Wings were able to clear the puck to center ice, but no further. They changed anyway, and Glendening, Larkin, Jensen and Ouellet did a good job of forcing the Flames to the outside lanes. When the Flames did get possession down low, Larkin couldn't clear the puck, but Detroit killed the penalty and Mantha flipped the puck deep as the Wings changed.
  • Nearly 8 minutes into the 1st period, Athanasiou found Mantha in the slot, and Mantha blasted a wrist shot through Mike Smith, but as Smith flopped, he reached back and stopped the shot's momentum.
  • At the first TV timeout at 7:56, Detroit led 6-4 in shots and 8-7 in attempts; Detroit was at 3-and-3 in the faceoff circle.
  • Mike Green fanned on a pass from Anthony Manth and then gave the puck to the Flames' defenders, affording Calgary a rush and shot attempt that went wide. Not the prettiest homecoming play for Green there.
  • The Wings did their best to establish a forecheck, but they weren't doing a good job of stifling the Flames' counter-attack...

And Jaromir Jagr took a shot off Petr Mrazek, and as Mrazek tried to grab his blocker stop, Mark Jankowski deflected the puck in with his pants.

The play was reviewed and it counted at 9:15 of the 1st period, from Jagr and Bennett.

  • The Wings tried to ultize Wilson, Athanasiou and Frk on the post-goal shift, but they struggled to get through the neutral zone. The Helm-Nielsen pairing (and Glendening) quickly replaced AA's line, and Trevor Daley was able to slide a sneaky wrister on Smith off the rush, but it was stopped as Daley played 4th forward.
  • Zetterberg also buzzed the net, but Smith was sound and stout against the Wings.
  • At 10:33, the shots were even at 6-6, attempts 9-8 Calgary, and the faceoffs were 5-5.
  • The Wings continued to turn--because the Flames were skating through their neutral zone defense, and their defensemen, too--so Calgary generated a couple of scoring chances on Mrazek.
  • The Wings just looked a step slow and they were poking at the puck instead of trying to skate their way onto the inside of skate and stick battles for the puck.
  • 12 minutes into the 1st period, Detroit was backing in, backing in and backing in some more, but the Flames were plodding in their offensive game, so the shots against weren't getting completely out of hand.
  • Mostly, Calgary was establishing possession and control in the Wings' zone--and when the Wings sprung away, Calgary would tie up (literally) the Red Wings in the neutral and offensive zones.

Regrettably, the Red Wings' Henrik Zetterberg lost a faceoff to Sean Monahan, and he walked back toward the slot, Mantha and Jensen ended up screening Mrazek, and the puck fluttered through Mrazek's glove and into the back of the net.

Gaudreau got the Flames' 2-0 goal at 13:56 from Monahan.

  • At the second TV timeout at 14:22, the shots were 12-8 Calgary, attempts 17-11 Calgary, faceoffs 10-7 Detroit.
  • Ken Daniels said the Flames had fired 6 consecutive shots on goal, and that wasn't surprising given their dominance of possession and control north of center ice.
  • The Wings tried to break out of the Flames' confining ways as Zetterberg, Nyquist and Mantha battled their way into Calgary's zone, but they didn't generate as much as a shot on Smith.
  • Jensen and Kronwall had an adventure with Gaudreau, somehow coming out on top against the Flames' wriggly worm, but the Wings coughed up the puck for an icing.
  • As a result, Mrazek had to make another stop, and Mantha, Athanasiou and Frk ENGAGED THE LINE BLENDER;
  • Smith made a big blocker stop on Green as he pushed his way into the rush, and that seemed to be the best way for the Wings to generate offense--wedge 4 forwards into the Flames' zone on the rush, and shoot.
  • With less than a minute remaining, Zetterberg, Athanasiou, Nyquist, Green and Ericsson were stuck in their own zone, surrendering a shot attempt to Michael Stone...
  • And Nielsen, Helm and Frk gave up another shot chance to Calgary as the Flames continued to shoot first, shoot second and shoot third.

The 1st period in summary: The Wings played flat-footed hockey against an incredibly fast and physical Calgary Flames, but and Calgary got a "rush goal" in which their net-front guy put a puck off the pants--perhaps a lucky deflection--and Gaudreau scored on another slot shot as the Flames took over. By the end of the period, it was all Flames.

Statistically, Calgary ended up out-shooting Detroit 15-10 and out-attempting Detroit 24-15; Detroit was out-hit 5-3, giveaways were 5-5, takeaways 6-6 (possession changes 11-11); Detroit blocked 4 shots to zero for Calgary, and the Wings were at least 15-and-9 (63%) on faceoffs.

Individually, Green, Mantha and Daley had 2 shots, Abdelkader, Zetterberg, Nielsen and Ericsson 1; Abdelkader had 2 hits, Glendening 1; Green had 2 giveaways; Athanasiou had 3 takeaways, Jensen, Kronwall and Larkin 1; Abdelkader, Nyquist, Ericsson and Ouellet blocked 1 shot; both Glendening and Larkin were 4-and-1 (80%) in the faceoff circle, Nielsen 3-and-1 (75%). Ericsson led the Wings with 7:22 of ice time; Green played 7:15, Ouellet 7:02, Mantha 6:48, Helm 6:20, Larkin 5:48, Kronwall 5:36.

The 2nd period

2nd period observations:

  • Dylan Larkin won the opening faceoff and got it back to Ericsson, Tatar slid the puck into Calgary's zone, Ericsson came in to help and Tatar centered the puck back between his own defense. Instead of generating an offensive chance, Calgary set up in the Wings' zone, with Gaudreau, Ferland and Monahan nearly scoring a wraparound goal.
  • 1:10 into the 2nd, Ouellet set up behind the Wings' goal in the "pocket" and set up, sliding the puck up to Darren Helm, who got a shot on Smith off the rush. It was easily stopped, and Detroit had to re-set at center ice. Helm got another shot off against Smith, and he gloved the puck as Glendening buzzed him.
  • Zetterberg, Mantha and Nyquist worked against the Versteeg-Brouwer line, and Nyquist and Mantha got a good cycle going, but Jensen and Kronwall could not keep the puck in, and Mrazek had to play the puck out to center ice himself.
  • Calgary continued to cycle and circle in the Wings' zone and generally "own" all three zones in terms of possession, speed and fluidity of play.
  • The Wings? They fumbled and bumbled their way through center ice and into Calgary's zone.
  • Detroit tried to get cute in a positive sense as Tomas Tatar slid the puck to Dylan Larkin in the slot...but Mike Smith gobbled it up with his glove.
  • Mrazek made an astonishing stop on Tkachuk off a giveaway at the blueline, smothering the puck as he sat down on the rebound.
  • Wilson, Frk and Athanasiou worked the puck back to Green (no shot) and Ouellet (shot without a screen) as Detroit began to challenge Smith...
  • But the Wings' shots were from distance, they were single, unobstructed shots, and that says about it all...

As does the fact that Petr Mrazek swept the puck to Jonathan Ericsson, who could not clear the zone, and Micheal Ferland walked through Ericsson and Daley to score a gorgeous deke-and-dangle goal.

Ferland made it 3-0 @ 6:02 from Mikael Backlund's turnover from Ericsson.

  • Calgary then got a TWO ON ZERO as Gaudreau walked behind Kronwall and Jensen, but Gaudreau held onto the puck and fired the puck wide.
  • 8 minutes into the 2nd, Detroit was being out-shot 20-15 and Detroit was not doing a good job of playing defense or offense...

But Andreas Athanasiou was grabbed and hacked by Sam Bennett at 8:04, and he would sit for slashing.

  • Frk, Athanasiou, Mantha, Larkin and Green really got the cycle going, and they generated a trio of shots on Smith...

And Mantha slithered a net-front pass laterally to Martin Frk, who blasted a one-timer past Smith from in tight.

Frk scored a power play goal from Mantha and Larkin at 8:43. Detroit trailed 3-1.

  • So the Wings rolled Helm, Nielsen and Glendening out for the post-goal shift, and instead of generating offensive rushes, they got hemmed in their own zone by a Flames rush, coughed up the puck after Mrazek made a save, and went off.
  • Abdelkader, Nyquist and Zetterberg then joined hte fray as the 10-minute mark passed, and they broke out and Nyquist shoveled the puck into Giordano on a 2-on-1 for Detroit.
  • Larkin, Tatar and Wilson worked with Ouellet to get a couple of shot attempts on SMith, who settled things down at 11:43.
  • At sait point, Detroit out-shot Calgary 11-5 in the 2nd period, 21-20 overall; attempts were 36-33 Calgary, faceoffs 21-14 (60%) Detroit.
  • Athanasiou, Mantha and Frk worked together as the line blender continued to churn, and they could not generate a shot, nor did they look good defensively...

Matthew Tkachuk tipped down a Brett Kulak point shot at 12:23, giving Calgary a 4-1 lead...

Tkachuk bumped Petr Mrazek's face with his hip, and the goal was challenged by the Red Wings.

The goal still counted, again, 4-1 at 12:23.

  • On the post-goal shift...

Glendening drew a penalty against Mark Giordano at 14:10. He was tripped, and Glendening dove, but the call was made.

  • Mantha, Athanasiou, Larkin, Frk and Green worked together on the first PP unit, and Green found Frk for a one-timer blocked by Stone, Green slid a shot of his own on the net, and the Flames blocked it;
  • The PP unit stayed out for over a minute but mostly got stuck in board battles against the Flames.
  • Larkin stayed out and "Datsyuk Dropped" the puck to Kronwall, who accepted the drop pass and skated into the Flames' zone. Kronwall got a shot that Abdelkader tipped into Smith, working with Tatar, Zetterberg and Nyquist, but Smith made the stop.

Troy Brouwer challenged Abdelkader for hitting Smith, and the two dropped mitts at 14:57. Brouwer basically jumped Abdelkader, and both players sat for fighting.

  • Detroit continued 5 on 4, working with Zetterberg, Mantha and Nyquist up front and Kronwall and Green on the points, and the Wings kept on trying to tip sneaky little shots through Smith instead of crashing the net. Smith saw 'em and kept 'em out.

Mantha decided to change things up off a great neutral zone pass from Green, flipping a saucer pass toward Frans Nielsen in front, and Nielsen chipped the puck through Smith to give the Wings a 4-2 deficit.

Nielsen made it 4-2 from Mantha and Green at 15:49.

  • Detroit got its butts in gear in terms of cycling the puck through the Flames' zone...

But Detroit over-committed offensively, and Jaromir Jagr and Johnny Gaudreau set up on a 2-on-1 vs. Ericsson, Ericsson played Gaudreau, and Gaudreau found Jagr to easily slide the puck through Mrazek, making it 5-2.

Jagr scored goal #666 from Johnny Gaudreau and Brett Kulak at 17:01.

  • At 17:55 of the 2nd, Detroit was out-shooting Calgary 14-9 in the 2nd and the shots were tied 24-24 overall; attempts 42-41 Calgary, faceoffs 24-19 (56%) Detroit.
  • Ericsson was only -2.
  • Zetterberg got a mini-breakaway that was denied by Smith, and he set up Nyquist, who was stopped by Smith.

The Red Wings chose not to fold: Frans Nielsen raced up the ice on the left wing side and chipped the puck back toward Jonathan Ericsson. Ericsson took a shot and the rebound came to Anthony Mantha, who chipped the rebound into the net with 3.3 seconds remaining.

Mantha scored from Nielsen and Ericsson at 19:56.

The 2nd period in summary: Yeah, that was wild.

Statistically: Detroit out-shot Calgary 21-10 in the 2nd and 31-25 overall; attempts were 49-43 Detroit; hits 9-8 Detroit; giveaways 9-7 Detroit; takeaways 9-8 Calgary (possession changes 18-15); blocked shots 8-4 Calgary; faceoffs 25-21 Detroit (54%).

Individually, Green and Zetterberg led the Wings with 4 shots apiece; Mantha and Larkin had 3 shots; Tatar, Helm, Nielsen, Ericsson, Athanasiou and Daley had 2 shots; Abdelkader had 4 hits, Glendening 2; Green and Ericsson had 2 giveaways; Athanasiou had 4 takeaways; Abdelkader, Nyquist, Ericsson and Ouellet blocked 1 shot; Nielsen led the Wings at 5-and-1 (83%) in the faceoff circle; Green played 15:12, Ericsson 14:07, Mantha 13:51, Larkin 12:50, Kronwall 12:12.

FSD had the scoring chances at 14-13 Detroit.

The 3rd period

3rd period observations:

  • Zetterberg won the opening faceoff working with Mantha and Nyquist, but the Wings couldn't get into the offensive zone with possession, and Kronwall and Green had to move Tkachuk out of the way so that Mrazek could stop a Flames shot instead of generating some offense.
  • On the Wings' subsequent shift, Detroit iced the puck, and off the ensuing faceoff, Petr Mrazek nearly surrendered a goal by chasing the puck behind the net. It didn't get below the red line.
  • Detroit iced the puck again with Athanasiou and Larkin on ice;
  • Helm, Frk and Nielsen raced up ice, Frk got tripped, Nielsen got kicked into the boards by Curtis Lazar...

And Dougie Hamilton got called for slashing at 2:01.

  • Nyquist, Zetterberg, Tatar, Helm and Kronwall worked the first PP unit, and they bumbled their first faceoff and/or possession, utilized a drop pass to spring Zetterberg, and he blasted a heavy shot wide of the net. Tatar walked in and fired a shot off Smith's leg pad, and Zetterberg worked with Nyquist and Kronwall to create some offense...with Tatar firing a lovely shot into Smith's blocker.
  • Mantha, Larkin, Athanasiou, Frk and Green got one shot off on Smith but it was not screened, and the power play expired just over 4 minutes into the 3rd.
  • Helm, Nielsen and Glendening didn't look as good as Helm, Nielsen and Frk, but Nielsen clanged a puck off the goalpost anyway off a pass from Glendening in front.
  • Jagr swiped the puck first from Nick Jensen, then Tomas Tatar, and then Niklas Kronwall, setting up Gaudreau for a scoring chance;
  • At the other end of the ice, Tatar and Zetterberg worked their way to the front of the net and tried to set up Nyquist, who was tripped sans call;

Bafflingly, with all the stuff being let go, Martin Frk got called for tripping Sam Bennett, and off the Flames went to the power play at 7:17.

  • Daley, Ericsson, Larkin and Glendening worked the first PK unit, and they surrendered a missed shot and cleared the zone;
  • Nielsen, Helm, Jensen and Ouellet stood up and Nielsen got a long shot in on Smith, who made a blocker stop, and Helm swiped the puck and nearly scored as well;
  • Mrazek made TWO big stops as the PK expired, and Frk, Green and Athanasiou forced Smith to work very hard, as did Athanasiou and Larkin;
  • Green really played a solid game. He has stepped up his defensive play of late, too.
  • Zetterberg, Nyquist and Mantha got hemmed in by Jagr's line, and they had to be relieved by Nielsen, Abdelkader and Tatar;
  • Mrazek stopped a couple of Flames shots, and Frk charged up ice the other way, beating two Flames defensemen but deferring his shot;
  • Detroit was FLYING in the third period, out-shooting Calgary 37-30 with 7:20 remaining...
  • The line blender was in full effect as Mantha, Abdelkader and Zetterberg worked together with just under 6 remaining, and the second-to-last TV timeout hit at 14:08 after Mantha slid a pass off Mark Jankowski and into the crowd.
  • With 5:52 remaining in the 3rd, Detroit was out-shooting Calgary 8-5 in the 3rd and 39-30 overall; attempts were 68-53 Detroit; faceoffs 32-24 (57%) Detroit.
  • Athanasiou, Tatar and Larkin ground out the puck down low on their shift, but too much cute play yielded...well, it yielded Tatar getting a fine chance on Smith top shelf, and Smith grabbed the puck out of the air with his glove.
  • With under 5 minutes remaining in the 3rd, Mantha, Nyquist and Zetterberg were unable to generate much, and instead, Jagr nearly scored on Mrazek, but he missed the net.
  • With 3:42 remaining, Detroit was out-shooting Calgary 9-5 in the 3rd and 40-30 on the night; attempts hit 70 for Detroit, 55 for Calgary.
  • Time was just running out on the Wings.
  • The Wings pulled Mrazek with 2:36 remaining...

And Johnny Gaudreau chipped the puck into an empty net after Anthony Mantha was tripped by Sean Monahan.

The Flames made it 6-3 at 17:37 of the 3rd. Monahan got the assist.

  • Mantha was tripped by Monahan and Gaudreau as the last man back. Learning experiences suck.
  • Mantha, Athanasiou, Glendening, Ouellet and Jensen played hte final shift, and Mrazek made a big stop with 10 seconds remaining as the Flames decided that they didn't want to settle for 6.

The 3rd period in summary: Time ran out on the Wings' comeback--and Mike Smith was very good. Detroit finished the game with 11 shots in the 3rd, 42 overall (to Calgary's 34), and 76 attempts to Calgary's 60.

Statistics:

Here's the Game Summary...

And the Event Summary

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PierreC's avatar

best display of offense of the season.
Best domination of the season, except 10 minutes late in the first.

Mrazek was very bad on the first two goals that made the team doubted. A dumb peewee B rebound on the first.  Suddenly the team wasnt confident anymore.

Why oh why do we have to start a critical PP with the Z-NY-Tats and Kroner group on the ice when it simply DOESN’T WORK !! From now on they have to start EVERY PP with Green on the ice and a combination of Larks-Mantha and Frk-AA. I just don’t understand why Blashill doesnt see that ??

its going to take a while before Mrazek gets another start. Tonight we got beaten by a better goalie.

Posted by PierreC from Montreal, Canada on 11/10/17 at 12:21 AM ET

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So another playoff opponent. Another loss. But hey, we have wins against Arizona x 2 and a handful of other non-playoff teams. So we’re still in the mix…

Posted by fatsavage on 11/10/17 at 01:32 AM ET

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Kind of feel the kids are starting to mature, look good on PPs, feel the same way the number 2 PP unit should be reassigned to number 1 ranking. I know some of the kids just come off the ice so Z line went and used up 80 seconds of PP time. Probably should have made them get a stoppage in play so second unit could take the ice. When we’re down, kids probably need to be United earlier. Actually thought this was a good game other than a few lapses.

Posted by stateofmifan on 11/10/17 at 03:43 AM ET

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I also choose to find some positives out of the game…

MANTHA WAS A MO FUGGIN BEAST!!

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/10/17 at 07:42 AM ET

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Also, is it too early to look at the standings? Still tied for 3rd in the division and 1 pt out of the wild card!

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/10/17 at 07:45 AM ET

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Also, is it too early to look at the standings? Still tied for 3rd in the division and 1 pt out of the wild card!

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/10/17 at 07:45 AM ET

Honestly, don’t even care about the standing this year. More interested in watching how the kids progress. Mantha is becoming more and more impressive. Larkin is settling in at center, although, I don’t think he is a true #1 center, but we’ll see.

As far as the game goes, it was OK. The effort was there, defensive breakdowns is something we are all used to at this point.

Posted by George0211 on 11/10/17 at 07:52 AM ET

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Posted by George0211 on 11/10/17 at 07:52 AM ET

Fair enough. If Mantha can take over like this on a consistent basis…

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/10/17 at 08:42 AM ET

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Entertaining game, good effort. Watching the game I was thinking the score is just wrong and it should have been 6:3 in our favor. Mrazek was shaky. Even before the first goal he was allowing juicy rebounds on pretty much every shot. Mantha was great except a big mistake at the end. I think we all agree now that our “first PP” unit with the collection of our slowest players has to be modified.
Z had another below average game and just can’t win a faceoff these days.

Posted by VPalmer on 11/10/17 at 08:42 AM ET

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It really was a weird game. The first couple times the Wings pulled within two, Calgary would come back in swift order and make it a 3 goal lead again. And who do you blame for that? Goalie? Defense? Coaches?

Or is it just one of those things?

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/10/17 at 08:55 AM ET

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Mrazek was very bad on the first two goals that made the team doubted.

But he got a shutout the other day, thus proving that he should be the starter forever!

I don’t get it.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 11/10/17 at 09:06 AM ET

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Two years ago I thought we played good in front of Mrazek, and not so good in from of Jimmah. Last year I thought they played like shit in front of Mrazek, but pretty good in front of Jimmy.  I could go for some consistency this year.  Haven’t seen all the games.  But last night The Gaudreau line was skating circles around us.  Does this mean Razor has won the rotten egg award for this year?

Posted by MoreShoot on 11/10/17 at 09:09 AM ET

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Oh man, here comes the Mrazek haranguing again.

Goal 1: You try to save a wacky rebound like that. Abdelkader scored half his goals that way in Datsyuk’s last year.

Goal 2: 3 Players screening Mrazek, who apparently must have x-ray vision to make the fans happy. Oh and it’s Gaudreau shooting.

Goal 3: Ericsson forgets that you need to look up ice when you’re about to receive the puck in the defensive zone, then throws a weak and low clearing attempt up the boards, and he and Daley decide it takes too much effort to step in front of Ferland. Could Mrazek have saved it? Probably. Should that play have even happened? Absolutely NOT.

Goal 4: It’s a tip right in front of our net and nobody picks up Tkachuk. Although I’m not sure why it looks like Mrazek thought the net moved way to his right though.

Goal 5: 2 on 1 against two people you don’t want an opposing 2 on 1 from. Not much can be done here.

Mrazek didn’t have a great game like Edmonton, but this loss is hardly his fault.

As for the rest of the team, Mantha continues to make me look like a genius for saying he would be our best player. Where has Z been? It seems like he has been very quiet over the past few games, and I hope it doesn’t last. This team still needs him.

Posted by Colin from Ken Holland's new yacht, "Incompetence" on 11/10/17 at 09:13 AM ET

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Where has Z been? It seems like he has been very quiet over the past few games, and I hope it doesn’t last. This team still needs him.

He doesn’t have the speed to be an effective player most nights, sadly.

Posted by hockeyfreak13 from Grand Rapids on 11/10/17 at 09:37 AM ET

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I blame Mrazek for the first two goals. The other 3 were turnovers or bad plays in front of him. The E turnover was hilarious. How can you turn the puck over like this ??

But look at Smith. He saw many turnovers in front of him but made countless key saves, Something Mrazek couldnt do.

At the moment Howard is the better of the two, so if we want to make the playoffs he must play most of the game.

Posted by PierreC from Montreal, Canada on 11/10/17 at 09:38 AM ET

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Posted by MoreShoot on 11/10/17 at 09:09 AM ET

Posted by Steve1306 on 11/10/17 at 09:39 AM ET

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Posted by MoreShoot on 11/10/17 at 09:09 AM ET

Doh….miss-fire

It’s weird how this works, when a goalie is struggling it seems to extend out to the d and forwards.  They get more uptight and don’t play with as much confidence.  Conversely when a goalie looks calm and collected it loosens up the guys and everyone plays better.

 

Posted by Steve1306 on 11/10/17 at 09:42 AM ET

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He doesn’t have the speed to be an effective player most nights, sadly.

Posted by hockeyfreak13 from Grand Rapids on 11/10/17 at 09:37 AM ET

Depends on what you’re measuring.  Skating speed he’s never had.  Speed of synapses he still has.

Posted by MoreShoot on 11/10/17 at 09:45 AM ET

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The E turnover was hilarious

Osgood actually blamed Mantha and Larkin for not becoming available for a pass seeing that E was under pressure. The problem with this analysis is that nobody was even close to E and he had all the time in the world to actually see where the opposing player is.

Goal 2: 3 Players screening Mrazek,

And Z cannot lose a draw so cleanly.
Overall though this game was a proof that if we play good entertaining hockey with speed, if Larkin and Mantha play 20+ minutes, AA plays 15 (and Abby plays 11), the fans can stomach losses as long we see our young guys making strides and becoming better players. It’s when we play Abby/Helm/Glen for 18 minutes trying to squeeze 2:1 victories, the games are unwatchable.

Posted by VPalmer on 11/10/17 at 10:09 AM ET

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Habs are fielding offers on Galchenyuk. Looking for a top 4 d-man. Is there any way we can convince them that Dekeyser is a top 4? Oh wait, nevermind, $5M x 6 years wasn’t enough for Kenny. He also included a NTC, from his NTC candy bowl.

So maybe Mike Green is willing to waive his NTC for Montreal. He’s a top 4. We’d obviously need to add something else given Green is a UFA and Galchenyuk is under contract for a couple more years. Perhaps Nyquist is also willing to waive. If you eat $3M of Green’s cap hit then it easily fits for Montreal. Although Galchenyuk doesn’t fulfill our greatest need, he’s a nice versatile top 6 forward that would fit well with guys like Larkin, Mantha, AA.

Posted by fatsavage on 11/10/17 at 10:14 AM ET

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if Larkin and Mantha play 20+ minutes, AA plays 15

I mostly agree, but I want AA’s minutes to be on the 4th line until he settles in at center and starts playing it better.  Don’t start raining hate on me.  I like AA.  But he needs to take this one year contract and use it to bring his game up to more than just a fast finisher.  He needs to take note of what opposing defenses did against Larkin last year (i.e. steering him and his speed to the outside loop) and avoid that.  He has Fedorov attributes except for the vision.  Basically I would lock him in a room avery night and force him to watch Fedorov film.  Every. Single. Day.

Posted by MoreShoot on 11/10/17 at 10:18 AM ET

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Oh wait, nevermind, $5M x 6 years wasn’t enough for Kenny. He also included a NTC, from his NTC candy bowl.

I’d bet the farm that DDK would waive to go to Montreal.  But whichever of DDK or Green they would take.  I don’t think they take anyone because they would have to assign Mete to open up roster room.  They’re not doing that.  Plus,  Habs need offense right now, right? The better move might be Nyquist for Galchenyuk, and that might be a wash.

Posted by MoreShoot on 11/10/17 at 10:26 AM ET

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Posted by MoreShoot on 11/10/17 at 10:18 AM ET

No hate here, I’m totally with you re: AA. I want him to be a fixture on this team and he has all the physical attributes and skill to do it. He just needs to get smarter like Larkin did. I think he can do it.

I blame Mrazek for the first two goals. The other 3 were turnovers or bad plays in front of him. The E turnover was hilarious. How can you turn the puck over like this ??

But look at Smith. He saw many turnovers in front of him but made countless key saves, Something Mrazek couldnt do.

Posted by PierreC from Montreal, Canada on 11/10/17 at 09:38 AM ET

How can you blame him for goal one? That was a freak goal that Carey Price could have let in. The second he maybe could have had, but Mrazek had no chance to see that shot when it was released. Either way, Mrazek played well enough for us to win with our 3 goals, but our defense screwed the pooch. I’m not saying Mrazek had a great game or anything, but I can’t say he was bad either.

he E turnover was hilarious

Osgood actually blamed Mantha and Larkin for not becoming available for a pass seeing that E was under pressure. The problem with this analysis is that nobody was even close to E and he had all the time in the world to actually see where the opposing player is.

Goal 2: 3 Players screening Mrazek,

And Z cannot lose a draw so cleanly.
Overall though this game was a proof that if we play good entertaining hockey with speed, if Larkin and Mantha play 20+ minutes, AA plays 15 (and Abby plays 11), the fans can stomach losses as long we see our young guys making strides and becoming better players. It’s when we play Abby/Helm/Glen for 18 minutes trying to squeeze 2:1 victories, the games are unwatchable.

Posted by VPalmer on 11/10/17 at 10:09 AM ET

I would say we should blame the guy who doesn’t have the skill or vision to make a pass through a stretched-out NZ defense to forwards up ice. Daley, Green, Hicketts, Jensen, and probably even Kronwall make that pass, and there’s no good reason Ericsson couldn’t either. His only pressure was from behind him, and he had plenty of time to make a play.

Ditto on point #2.

Posted by Colin from Ken Holland's new yacht, "Incompetence" on 11/10/17 at 10:33 AM ET

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Thanks for pointing out the TOI distribution, VP.

And you’re right - most of us expect the pain and are more welcoming if we are gearing towards the kids going through those same pains.

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/10/17 at 10:36 AM ET

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How can you blame him for goal one?

It was a bad rebound control.

Posted by VPalmer on 11/10/17 at 10:39 AM ET

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I’d bet the farm that DDK would waive to go to Montreal.  But whichever of DDK or Green they would take.  I don’t think they take anyone because they would have to assign Mete to open up roster room.  They’re not doing that.  Plus,  Habs need offense right now, right? The better move might be Nyquist for Galchenyuk, and that might be a wash.

Posted by MoreShoot on 11/10/17 at 10:26 AM ET

Habs need offense, but have stated they also want to upgrade on defense. Assigning Mete may end up being the smart move for them in the long-run. He’s not exactly killing it like he was early on. But if they want to keep Mete, then let’s take back a warm body like Schlemko or Davidson so they have the roster spot open on defense.

No way they move Galchenyuk for Nyquist. A lateral move at best for them. At worst, they move a dynamic young forward for a perimeter non-factor.

Posted by fatsavage on 11/10/17 at 10:42 AM ET

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Galchenyuk is on the trading block. He has personal problems and to acquire him would be a good move on the ice..but not off the ice

The Habs needs D first and then more offense. Mete is here to stay, with Weber he is their best D.

Schlemko is injured.

Bergevin is working the phone constantly. He is not afraid to make a trade..not like a beloved Gm.

Anymore questions about what’s going on in my home town ?

Posted by PierreC from Montreal, Canada on 11/10/17 at 11:55 AM ET

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Honestly, don’t even care about the standing this year. More interested in watching how the kids progress. Mantha is becoming more and more impressive. Larkin is settling in at center, although, I don’t think he is a true #1 center, but we’ll see.

The kids are plating great hockey to date. Hoping they continue to improve and carry the team. They are obviously the future. grin

Posted by bigfrog on 11/10/17 at 12:21 PM ET

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No one has been willing to say this as yet, but Zetterberg is playing older every single game.  This is a huge problem.  The other big issue is how inconsistent Mrazek is.  He needs to get his mind back in the game all the time.

Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 11/10/17 at 12:32 PM ET

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Thanks Pierre. I’m aware of Schlemko’s injury. Just threw his name out there over concern about creating a roster spot. Nothing prevents teams from trading someone on IR.

When someone has the talent and potential of Galchenyuk, I’m happy to overlook whatever kind of attitude or off-ice problems. It’s a risk. Some GMs are willing to take risks. Our own Wings have numerous examples of taking a flier on guys with off-ice issues.

And while I agree the Habs need more offense, it’s been widely reported they are looking for an upgrade on defense. This is where Mike Green comes in. But you need to add more than Green given his contract status. Of course, you can also do a 3-way trade like some GMs just did…but the last time Kenny tried that he gave away a 1st round pick and ended up with Kyle Quincey.

Posted by fatsavage on 11/10/17 at 12:33 PM ET

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No one has been willing to say this as yet, but Zetterberg is playing older every single game.  This is a huge problem.  The other big issue is how inconsistent Mrazek is.  He needs to get his mind back in the game all the time.

Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 11/10/17 at 12:32 PM ET

I would set up a meeting with Illitch, Kenny, and Zee. Hi Zee. You’ve been a warrior here. You can play here as long as you want. If you eventually want to go on LTIR we’ll work it out with our doctors. It won’t be hard to find a doctor declaring you having chronic back problems or something. But we have another idea…

Do you have any interest in joining a contender for a final run at another Cup? For example, maybe you’d like to join Karlsson in Ottawa? How about joining all the Swedes in Anaheim, maybe for Vatanen. The weather is nice there. Same with LA. What about helping younger teams like Edmonton, Columbus, Carolina take the next step? If you want this to happen, then we can quietly see if there is interest.

As for recapture, again, I don’t think Zee has any motivation to screw the Wings over. I don’t think it will be hard to argue he has some chronic issue. But worst case scenario is we eat some recapture as we continue to accrue young talent. How is that worse than squandering precious cap space on guys like Abby, Helm, Nielsen, GlenDENING, etc…

Posted by fatsavage on 11/10/17 at 12:46 PM ET

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Osgood actually blamed Mantha and Larkin for not becoming available for a pass seeing that E was under pressure.

I laughed out loud at that. What a joke.

The idea that anyone can look at that play and blame it on anyone but Ericsson is ridiculous. The fact that there’s nobody anywhere near Ericsson and he just dumped it toward the line without even looking is unforgivable and so lazy.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 11/10/17 at 12:47 PM ET

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i think we are being a bit hard on Z. This is his best start since the cup run.

Not too long ago Blashill cut down on his ice-time a bit with a positive affect.

Yesterday our beloved coach had a brain fart…just like Z was the only solution

At the moment Z should play not more than 17 min, its time to give a ton load of ice time to our Young players, they can take that work load.

But its not easy to cut down on Z’s icetime…Z probably doesn’t like that..

Posted by PierreC from Montreal, Canada on 11/10/17 at 12:52 PM ET

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If nothing else, the Wings have been much better in losses this season than last season. There is more heart, more speed, more physicality and a better attention to detail.

There are still serious holes. I put this loss primarily on a defense that got out of place on too many occasions.

Mantha is showing he is a finisher at the NHL level just like he was in juniors. As more and more of his game comes around, he’ll be even more dangerous.

Posted by evileye on 11/10/17 at 12:54 PM ET

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Z may be slowing down - I am just glad no one has made the suggestion to trade him. Let him go out on his own terms.

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/10/17 at 01:05 PM ET

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Z may be slowing down - I am just glad no one has made the suggestion to trade him. Let him go out on his own terms.

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/10/17 at 01:05 PM ET

And if he prefers to go out chasing another Cup with a contender then you facilitate that. If he prefers to remain here then you honour that. Did I fall for the bait again? Yawn.

Posted by fatsavage on 11/10/17 at 01:33 PM ET

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Someone better Tell MANTHA that this is a Man’s League. Lol. Kids are not the answer. lol

You gotta love Kenny.

Posted by damndog from The Eastside of Detroit on 11/10/17 at 02:53 PM ET

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Daley looks tired out there. It must be covering for Ericsson all the time. If Daley goes down Ericsson will be exposed once again.

That turnover was almost comical if it wasn’t so sad. That’s about the 4th big bomber turnover he has had this season. It would be so bad if he could at least take the puck away from the opposition once in a while. He has one of the lowest takeaways for a player that has been in the league as long as him and how many minutes he gets. Truly incredible.

Tatar needs to start playing the body more. Wings need him engaged.

Posted by damndog from The Eastside of Detroit on 11/10/17 at 03:00 PM ET

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My brain says let’s trade Z if there is a good return, my heart says I want him to retire as a Red Wing. I will go with my heart here.

Posted by VPalmer on 11/10/17 at 03:03 PM ET

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Tatar needs to start playing the body more

Tatar has been a major disappointment for me so far despite a great goal against Canucks.

Posted by VPalmer on 11/10/17 at 03:16 PM ET

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Tatar has been a major disappointment for me so far despite a great goal against Canucks.

Posted by VPalmer on 11/10/17 at 03:16 PM ET

He has had a few good games even when he didn’t score but half the time he seems like he is running around without direction. I know he is a slow starter but he looks out of sync. I know many players have looked out of sync also except for a handful of games, but he really looks lost.

Posted by damndog from The Eastside of Detroit on 11/10/17 at 04:49 PM ET

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