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Red Wings-Coyotes set-up and overnight report: it’s ‘win and you’re in’

As Paul noted, the Red Wings are in deep trouble ahead of tonight's game against the Phoenix Coyotes (7:30 PM EDT, FSD/NBC Sports Network/TSN/97.1 FM, and tonight is Team Tootoo night at the Joe). Thanks to the Columbus Blue Jackets' 4-3 win over the San Jose Sharks on Sunday, if the Wings win tonight and burn one of their two games in hand over Columbus (44 games played vs. 46 GP) the 20-16-and-8 Wings (with 18 Regulation-or-OT Wins) can only nudge to within a point of Columbus's 51 (Detroit has 48 points, and Columbus possesses a 22-17-and-7 record with 17 ROWs).

Just as disturbingly, the Dallas Stars--who've played in one more game than Detroit (45 to 44)--have the same points as the Wings (48) but have a better record (22-19-and-4) and more ROWs (20 to 18)--and if the Wings lose to Phoenix tonight, the Coyotes (44 GP, just like Detroit, 19-17-and-8, 15 ROWs) would pull into a three-way tie with Detroit for 9th place.

Long story long, the Red Wings rather desperately need to win tonight, preferably in regulation or overtime, they need to win Wednesday's game against Los Angeles, Thursday's game against Nashville and they need to carry Saturday's regular season finale in Dallas if they are to truly "control their own destiny."

The Wings' problem involves the fact that Phoenix is in the situation the Wings face if they don't win tonight--needing to both "win out" and requiring significant help from their opponents' opponents to somehow close the five-point gap between themselves and the Blue Jackets.

Phoenix took a 2-1 shootout decision over Chicago on Saturday, but they possess a 3-2-and-2 record since defeating the Wings 4-2 on April 4th, and the Arizona Republic's Sarah McLellan duly noted that the Coyotes are accentuating the positive while facing a must-win situation (and she reports that Derek Morris may miss tonight's game with a "lower-body injury")...

“As a group, we’re working pretty hard,” coach Dave Tippett said. “We always talk about earning those breaks. Hopefully that’s part of it.”

Take defenseman Rusty Klesla’s tee shot just before center ice in the first period of Saturday’s 3-2 shootout win in Chicago. The 100-foot dump-in would have resulted in an icing call if it didn’t skip on the ice and bounce over goalie Corey Crawford’s shoulder 46 seconds after the Blackhawks took a 1-0 lead.

Just 2:34 after that, winger Radim Vrbata scored his second goal in as many games. Vrbata had one of his more productive stretches last season during the team’s final five games in which he scored five times to help the Coyotes go 5-0 and capture the Pacific Division title.

“That would be good if he could get hot right at the right time,” Tippett said. “He’s shown in the past that when he does get hot, he can score in bunches. That’s a good sign if this keeps up.”

But the most telling turn was defenseman David Schlemko’s shootout winner in his very first NHL attempt — a twist of fate engineered by Tippett, like so many others of the past.

“He’s been good in practice,” Tippett said. “He’s a guy I’ve kind of had my eye on for a little while. Actually, earlier on in the season when he was playing in the Central (Hockey) League there, I know he scored a couple goals down there, too, in the shootout. So he’s been a guy on the radar for us. We just haven’t had a chance to use him, and I thought (Saturday) night we had to step out the box a little bit seeing as we hadn’t been very successful at them.”

What makes this matchup against the Red Wings particularly significant is it’s the last opportunity the Coyotes will have against a team they’re battling with in the standings. Based on their recent surge of good fortune, perhaps this challenge is coming at exactly the right time.

“Whichever team can get the win out of that will have a great advantage,” Tippett said.

While Fox Sports Arizona's Craig Morgan got down to brass tacks regarding tonigh'ts match-up:

Had things gone slightly better last week, tonight’s game in Detroit could have had huge playoff implications for the Coyotes. But even though the odds of a postseason berth have been severely diminished, there is still a ray of playoff hope left for the Coyotes, and if they wants to keep that faint hope alive, they must find a way to win against the Red Wings.

Detroit enters the game in similarly dire straits, having blown a chance to all but wrap up the final playoff spot due to a 3-4-3 slide over its last 10 games. The Red Wings now trail the Wild and Blue Jackets by three points apiece for one of the final two Western Conference playoff spots, although Detroit has two games in hand on Columbus and one on Minnesota.

Even with a win in Motown, the Coyotes will still be in 11th place in the Western Conference standings despite being tied with the Red Wings and Stars in points. Both those teams own the first playoff tiebreaker by virtue of their greater number of regulation/overtime wins. But if the Coyotes can pull even with those two, it could make for a very interesting final week of the season.

"It's do or die right now for us as far as making the playoffs," goalie Mike Smith said following Saturday’s shootout win in Chicago. "We've got to put our bodies on the line and do what we have to do to win games.”

Amongst his notes:

One to watch: Red Wings forward Johan Franzen has three goals in his past four games and eight points in his last nine games.

2.43: It seems odd to see a Detroit team so low in the league in goals per game, but that’s the case for the Red Wings this season. Detroit ranks 24th in the league in scoring and hasn’t netted more than three goals in a game since March 22.

NHL.com's Adam Kimelman sets up tonight's game as follows...

Last 10: Phoenix 5-2-3; Detroit 3-4-3

Season series: This will be the third and final meeting between the teams this season. They split their first two games -- the Detroit Red Wings won 3-2 in Phoenix on March 25, while the Coyotes won 4-2 at home on April 4.

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Coyotes [team scope]: The lower-body injury that kept goalie Mike Smith out the past two games still is bothering him, but he plans on playing all four remaining games for the team, and hopefully more if the team can get back to the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

Smith returned to the lineup Saturday and made 38 saves, plus two more in the shootout, as the Coyotes defeated the Chicago Blackhawks 3-2 to remain alive for one of the final playoff spots in the Western Conference.

"It's do-or-die right now for us, as far as making the playoffs," Smith said following the game Saturday. "We've got to put our bodies on the line and do what we have to do to win games. Blocking shots is one of those things … so lots of credit to guys who get down and do that. It was a huge team effort."

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Who's hot: Coyotes forward Radim Vrbata has goals in two straight games for the second time this season. … Red Wings forward Johan Franzen has three goals in his past four games

Injury Report: Coyotes forward Lauri Korpikoski is out with an upper-body injury. … The Red Wings are missing forwards Darren Helm (back), Bertuzzi (back), Mikael Samuelsson (pectoral) and Drew Miller (hand).

And the AP's game preview adds stats to the mix:

Seeking some much-needed points, the Coyotes will try to build on a win and earn their first victory at slumping Detroit in nearly 2 1/2 years Monday night.

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The Coyotes, 2-0-2 in their last four road games, will next try to come away with two points at Detroit for the first time since Oct. 28, 2010. They've dropped five straight there, including two in the 2011 playoffs.

The Red Wings, though, are 1-2-3 in their last six and 3-5-3 since March 27, a stretch that includes a 4-2 loss in Phoenix on April 4. Detroit is also 1-3-2 in its last six home games, and plays three of its final four at Joe Louis Arena.

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The Red Wings are averaging 1.73 goals in their last 11 games after registering 2.67 per contest in their first 33 and got their only score in a 2-1 shootout loss in Vancouver on Saturday in the final seconds of the first period.

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Jimmy Howard will likely be in net and he might want to keep a close eye on Martin Hanzal, who has eight goals and an assist in his last eight regular-season games against the Red Wings. He had a goal and an assist in the win earlier this month.

Detroit star forward Pavel Datsyuk's 57 career points versus Phoenix are his most against any opponent outside the Central Division and fourth-most against any team. Datsyuk, though, has just one goal in his last nine regular-season matchups and two goals in his last 11 overall contests.

As the Macomb Daily's Chuck Pleiness noted, the Wings spoke rather bravely regarding their tasks at hand after Saturday night's 2-1 shootout loss to Vancouver...

“Bottom line is we didn’t get that second point we would have liked to have got,” Wings coach Mike Babcock said. “I thought our team had good process, played hard, was organized, spent a lot of time in their zone and did good things but weren’t rewarded with the second point. That’s part of life. Get on with it.”

“We all know where we are in the standings and know the points we can get,” forward Henrik Zetterberg said. “We had one off the crossbar, two minutes later they had one off the crossbar, so we could have walked out of here with no points. But the important thing is we played better. This is playoff hockey. It’ll be tight games now, not a lot of open chances.”

For the time being, the one point did put the Wings, who have four games left in the regular season, a point ahead of Dallas in the Western Conference standings and moved them a point behind Columbus for the eighth and final spot in the playoffs.

“There is no time to feel sorry for ourselves,” defenseman Niklas Kronwall said. “We are where we’re at. We just have to dig down and stay positive and play with a lot of desperation and urgency. I thought we did a lot of good things (Saturday),” Kronwall added. “We just have to stick with the program but there’s no time for feeling sorry for ourselves whatsoever. Stick with the program and work hard.”

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“We know what we have to do and we will do it and come out and play a good hockey game,” Zetterberg said. “We don’t care how our (home) record is now. We know we’ve got to win games to get into the postseason. Of course we’re happier to be at home than on the road but we got to go in and focus on Monday.”

Detroit is just 10-7-4 this season at home.

And DetroitRedWings.com's Bill Roose's "The Week Ahead in Hockeytown" article includes both previews of the Wings' four games this week and notes that the Wings are attempting to accentuate the poisitive, too:

"We just have to stick with the program regardless of where we play,” Wings defenseman Niklas Kronwall said. “We have to find energy and just go after them. There’s no need or time to do anything else. We have to focus on what we need to do out there and just get the job done.”

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The Wings have a 10-7-4 record at Joe Louis Arena this year. They own a 5-3-1 record against the teams that they’ll face-off against this week, having out-scored them 24-16, with a pair of shutout victories and an overtime loss to the Predators. Detroit has split the remaining season series with the Stars, Coyotes and defending Stanley Cup champion Kings.

But the Wings aren’t interested in their home record. They need to play with urgency and desperation, captain Henrik Zetterberg said, following the team’s 2-1 shootout loss to the Canucks on Saturday.

“We don't care how our (home) record is now,” he said. “We know we got to win games to get into the postseason. Of course we're happy to be at home than on the road, but we got to go in and focus on Monday.”

Despite losing five of six games – including three in shutouts – the Wings have done some very good things defensively, limiting the opposition to nine goals, while holding them to 22.6 shots per game.

“I don't care where we got ‘em, we got an opportunity to look after business,” Wings coach Mike Babcock said. “We’ll have a morning skate and get ready to play a Phoenix team that will be real competitive. We got to find a way to score more goals. Just continue to work hard and do good things and good things will happen to you.”

As the Free Press's Helene St. James notes, the Wings chose to stay in Vancouver on Saturday night in an attempt to avoid a sluggish home start after returning from a 2-game Western Canadian road trip...

Coach Mike Babcock said after the loss to the Canucks that when he first got to Detroit in 2005, he spent "tons of time" talking with former coach Scotty Bowman, "about what's the right thing to do and what's the wrong thing to do.

"We've tried them all. They're all the same. Be hard between your ears, fight through the first period, get playing."

Goalie Jimmy Howard said the most important thing players can do is "get as much sleep as possible. That's the biggest thing."

It's commonly held that it takes one day to adjust for every time zone traveled. The Wings traveled three. This is their first full day to adjust. The Coyotes, on the other hand, come into tonight's game having spent their Saturday playing in Chicago, a one-time-zone, 45-minute-flight away.

And both St. James and MLive's Ansar Khan noted that the Wings' shootout struggles may end up costing the team dearly:

The Red Wings are 2-5 in shootouts, where they have lost some valuable points. They suffered their fifth consecutive shootout loss Saturday in Vancouver, 2-1. Three of Detroit's past five games have been shootout losses.

Niklas Kronwall called the missed shootout points “painful,'' but said, “That’s how the game is played nowadays. It’s the same rules for everyone and we happened to be on the wrong end of a few lately. That’s just how it goes.”

The Red Wings were 9-3 in shootouts last season, thanks in large part to Todd Bertuzzi and his five goals, mostly on spin moves.

“It'd be nice to have, eh?'' Babcock said. “We used to have Bert doing that for us and we had Huds (Jiri Hudler). Huds isn't here and Bert is hurt, so that's the way life is and we just got to score more goals.''

The Red Wings have five goals on 23 shootout attempts (21.7 percent, which ranks 25th in the NHL). Pavel Datsyuk and Damien Brunner each are 2-for-7, Henrik Zetterberg is 1-for-5.

Detroit's save percentage of .636 (14-of-22) ranks 16th in the league. Jimmy Howard is 1-5 in shootouts, having stopped 11-of-19 attempts (.579 save percentage). Jonas Gustavsson is 1-0, stopping all three shooters he faced. Howard was 15-11 in shootouts coming into this season.

So the Wings admitted to Khan that the team is in a particularly desperate situation--and Khan reports that the Wings have an 0-3-and-1 record in their first games back from Western U.S. or Canadian road trips...

“If you’re one of these players who has a stake in the Red Wings, especially the ones who have put in a ton of time, they don’t want it (to end) on their watch either,'' Babcock said.

“I think everyone feels that,'' Zetterberg said. “It's been a long time since we missed the playoffs and you don't want to be part of that team. Definitely, I take big responsibility in that.''

With four games remaining, this is the closest the Red Wings have been to missing the playoff since 1990, the last year they did not qualify. The Red Wings have struggled down the stretch (3-5-3), primarily due to their difficulty scoring (19 goals in their past 11 games).

Still, a playoff spot is theirs for the taking. If they win out, they're in. If they don't win out, they'll need some help. The Red Wings are tied with Dallas for ninth place in the Western Conference with 48 points, and Detroit has a game in hand. Both clubs trail Columbus and Minnesota by three points, but the Red Wings have two games in hand on the Blue Jackets and one game in hand on the Wild.

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Monday's game is particularly challenging because the Red Wings for years have not fared well in their first game back from the West Coast, especially with just one day off in between. They are 0-3-1 this year in the first game following a trip to the West Coast or Western Canada.

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On the bright side, the Red Wings have outshot the opposition 64-21 in their past five periods plus an overtime.

“We’ve been doing a great job,'' Howard said. “We’re doing the little things, (keeping) guys to the outside. I think the main thing is that we’re keeping the third guy high in the offensive zone, so it’s been eliminating some of the odd-man rushes.”

And Babcock told the Free Press's St. James that the Wings have to grind it out mentally and physically tonight, which St. James finds appropriate given the Wings' status as something of a griding team this season:

"If you're soft between your ears," coach Mike Babcock said, "you can feel sorry for yourself. And if you're not, you just get on with it and choose your attitude and get going."

After the Coyotes comes a back-to-back Wednesday and Thursday set against the playoff-bound Kings and vacation-bound Predators. The season finale comes Saturday at Dallas. Three straight games at home ought to mean something good, except the Red Wings are just 10-7-4 at home -- almost an exact duplication of their 10-9-4 road record -- and they're 1-3-2 at Joe Louis Arena since March 7.

Wherever they roam, wherever they play of late, scoring has been a problem. The Red Wings have 19 goals in their last 11 games, which goes a long way toward explaining why that stretch has yielded just nine points. Saturday night in Vancouver, Cory Emmerton, a fourth-line guy, had the only goal in a 2-1 shoot-out loss. After talking about all the good things the Wings did against the Canucks -- starting well, sustaining pressure, playing a full game -- Babcock was left condensing the one problem that has been so pervasive: "We've just got to score more goals."

Babcock has juggled his lines to try to get better results: putting together Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk, separating them. Either way, they deliver far more often than not. Both are right around a point-a-game performers. Johan Franzen had one of his best games of the season in Vancouver, playing tough and threatening around the net. He has eight points in the last nine games.

Damien Brunner has been in a long dry spell, but he fired the shot that Emmerton turned into a goal, and Brunner's line with Joakim Andersson and Gustav Nyquist has been one of the team's best recently.

Valtteri Filppula, meanwhile, isn't giving the Red Wings any reason to invest money in an extension, contributing three points the past 16 games.

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The Wings aren't an elite team. It has been hard for players to accept that. Within the room, some have wondered how they could have come out so flat last Wednesday in Calgary, against a team with so little bite. But the Red Wings have been consistent in playing down to their opponent's level, which is why they've been beaten by the Flames, by the Blue Jackets, and last time around, by the Coyotes.

The Detroit News's Gregg Krupa's similarly flummoxed by the Wings' inability to produce offense...

Last season, the Wings yielded 2.43 goals per game. This year, it is 2.44.

But, last season they scored 2.95 per game. This season, it is 2.43.

And the offense is ebbing, even as they have dropped in the standings.

In 10 games since March 30, the Red Wings are 2-4-4. They scored 19 goals.

In the previous 10, March 9-30, the Wings were 5-4-1. They scored 24.

In the previous 10, from Feb. 17 to March 8, they were 5-3-2. They scored 28.

In the previous 10, from Jan. 27 to Feb. 17, their record was identical, 5-3-2, and so were their goals, 28.

Krupa notes that while the Wings do miss Brian Rafalski and Nicklas Lidstrom's puck possession, the Wings' "horses" have struggled, and while I can't quote his entire article, seeing Pavel Datsyuk on pace for 24 goals over the course of an 82-game regular season, Daniel Cleary on pace for 17, Johan Franzen on pace for 19 (and 44 assists), Henrik Zetterberg on pace for 17 and Damien Brunner on pace for 21 wouldn't look so terrible..

If the Wings' defense was producing more points, and the reality of the situation is that, aside from Niklas Kronwall's 26 points, Jakub Kindl's 13 and Jonathan Ericsson's 10, the rest of the team's defense hasn't produced much of anything (Smith has 7 points, Lashoff 5, Ian White 4, Kyle Quincey 3 and both Carlo Colaiacovo and Danny DeKeyser 1 in limited action), and when you add things up, any way you slice it, this team needs to score, and needs to score badly over this week's four games, or it's going to be cleaning out its lockers a week from today.


There isn't much out there in the notebook department, save the following from the Detroit News's Ted Kulfan:

Along with losing the game Saturday, the Red Wings lost forward Drew Miller to a broken right hand. Miller could be out for as much as two months — which means he'll either miss the remainder of the season or return if the Red Wings go deep into the playoffs.

With 12 healthy forwards, forward Patrick Eaves , who a healthy scratch Saturday will return to the lineup Monday against Phoenix.

The Red Wings can't recall anyone from Grand Rapids unless there's another injury, given they've used up their four post-trade deadline recalls from the Griffins.

Both Bertuzzi (back, leg) and Mikael Samuelsson (pectoral muscle) both are close to returning and could be ready at some point this week.

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Long story short, the Wings have needed to play like they needed to win every game since April 1st.  Sadly that has not been the case, and as a result they’re looking at probably needing to get 6 points in the last 4 games (including a win in the final game against Dallas) to control their own destiny.

Posted by Valek from Chicago on 04/22/13 at 04:29 AM ET

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Lon story short, based upon the way the team is currently playing there is no way the Wings win 3 of their remaining 4 and make the playoffs.

Not being able to score more than 2 goals per game is killing them.

Posted by igrover on 04/22/13 at 07:52 AM ET

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Long story short: CBJ are the story now.  All they have left is Dallas and Nashville. Games nicely spaced out.  They will win out.  Wings need all 4.

Posted by MoreShoot on 04/22/13 at 07:58 AM ET

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This is going to be an interesting week.. history will be made.

Posted by detroitredwings on 04/22/13 at 08:03 AM ET

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My thoughts are they will have to win out.  I will be cheering for them but there is no switch to turn on for the anemic offense.  2 goals per game will not be enough.

We will see how they respond!

Posted by OnlyWings on 04/22/13 at 08:26 AM ET

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On the bright side, the Red Wings have outshot the opposition 64-21 in their past five periods plus an overtime.

SOG is one of the more meaningless statistics in professional sports.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 04/22/13 at 08:26 AM ET

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Can’t see the Wings winning 1 let alone 4 games. It’s a shame. Hopefully Kenny makes some good decisions this off season and gets this team right back where it should be….at the top of the standings. No more blind loyalty to older players - Bert, Sammy, Cleary - all have to go. Forget about giving Flip a huge raise. The guy is a bust. What this team needs is the youth to finally be given a chance and bringing in some proven players to help Dats and Z. The future could be bright if Kenny grows a set.

Posted by Wings_in_NYC on 04/22/13 at 09:26 AM ET

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Counting SOG is like counting foul balls in baseball. Yeah, you made contact, but it wasn’t a quality contact.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 04/22/13 at 09:31 AM ET

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The guy is a bust. What this team needs is the youth to finally be given a chance and bringing in some proven players to help Dats and Z. The future could be bright if Kenny grows a set.

Well, they will need to fill, to my count, at least 3 roster slots: Someone to take Fils spot, someone to replace Abby on the top line—sorry, Abby will never be top six material; need to end that experiment—and someone to replace Bert/Sammy/Cleary slot.  Meanwhile, we just put real money down on a goaltender who is middling in talent and can’t handle the puck.

Posted by MoreShoot on 04/22/13 at 09:32 AM ET

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Oh, and I almost forgot: we don’t know if Helm’s game is essentially changed forever.  Could be.

Posted by MoreShoot on 04/22/13 at 09:34 AM ET

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The Red Wings can’t recall anyone from Grand Rapids unless there’s another injury, given they’ve used up their four post-trade deadline recalls from the Griffins.

Stupid move on KH’s part

Both Bertuzzi (back, leg) and Mikael Samuelsson (pectoral muscle) both are close to returning and could be ready at some point this week.

It’ll be too late. They lose tonight, forget about making the playoffs.

Valtteri Filppula, meanwhile, isn’t giving the Red Wings any reason to invest money in an extension, contributing three points the past 16 games.

Put him on the 4th line between Tootoo and Eaves, see how well he does there.

Posted by AZWinger on 04/22/13 at 09:42 AM ET

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Put him on the 4th line between Tootoo and Eaves, see how well he does there

And let Emmerton skate with Hank?  Why not?

Posted by MoreShoot on 04/22/13 at 09:44 AM ET

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I barely saw them finish a check after the first 2 minutes of the game!!!!

We did all we could?  KEEP playing with urgency???

Hey, we could’ve got no pionts -_-  Can you imagine a game where Yzerman comes out, when the playoffs are on the line.. a streak over 2 decades long is on the line… and says in a game they lost in OT against a team that looked LIKE SHIT,  “hey, at least we got a point” ?????

Do they give a shit about losing… at all? 

They’re always making little deals with themselves about how something bad really isn’t bad.  We need scoring.. but if you watched the St. Louis game, while they were doing shitty.. you saw these two clubs are close.. and since everyone was picking the blues for the cup this year, that means Detroits close to the same caliber of team as a Stanley Cup team.  Right.  But you see those little “deals” and “logics” to give themselves the warm and fuzzies.

Nothing about their reaction to losing to Vancouver makes me think they wont shit the bed tonight.  Lets HOPE their goalie has a rough one and lets some stinkers in.. of course we’d have to shoot the puck on net to benefit, but him having a stinker would get us halfway there.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/22/13 at 10:16 AM ET

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That’s how the game is played nowadays. It’s the same rules for everyone and we happened to be on the wrong end of a few lately. That’s just how it goes.”


Soooo, maybe train to GET BETTER in the shoot-out?  What’s the fatalistic, “you dont’ have to try, that’s just the way it goes” bullshit?

GET BETTER.  Tired of watching the same thing.. over… and over.. and over…  What the fuch are you doing in practices?  Stretching before you head to the driving range?

P.S.  Walk barefoot on grass helps get rid of jet-lag.  Sounds weird.. but it works..  try it.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/22/13 at 10:22 AM ET

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They will lose tonight and we can start talking about next season. The problem with next season will be more of the same cause they still have so much dead weight even with Flip, White and Cleary gone.

Would like to see this:

Franzen Pavel       UFA
Brunner Z Nyquist
Tatar Helm Abby
Tootoo Anderson Emmerton
Eaves
Bert
Sammy Buyout
 
Kronwall UFA
Ericsson Kindl
Dekeyser Smith
Lashoff
Quincey Buyout or Trade
Cola Buyout or trade

But will likely get this:

Franzen Pav Bert
Brunner Z Sammy
Nyquist Helm Abby
Tootoo Anderson Emmerton
Eaves
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Kronwall Ericsson
Quincey Kindl
Cola         Smith
Lashoff
DeKeyser

Kenny will say Sammy, Bert and Helm are like adding 3 UFA’s

Posted by Lenny on 04/22/13 at 10:24 AM ET

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And let Emmerton skate with Hank?

Actually, I was thinking of Andy (at Center) with Hank and Brunner

Pav/Franzen/Abby
Hank/Andy/Brunner
Cleary/Emmerton/Nyquist
Tootoo/Fil/Eaves

Posted by AZWinger on 04/22/13 at 10:26 AM ET

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Lack of D scoring?????  Seriously?

In a year, where we replaced none of our top 3 d over the past 4 years or more.. 1 a legend, one who spent half his NHL career making it to the Finals..  We don’t replace them, but you want to blame the D we have now, who you didn’t think was ready to begin with?  And if it’s the D why aren’t we playing more offensive guys like White?

YOu mentioned all those shots per game. THATS how the D is scoring goals now, by keeping the score down to a couple goals.  We need to figure out who to score that third goal and it shouldn’t be the defense.  ESPECIALLY in a league where they clog lanes like no other and block shots like no other..  Why do you think Lidas went for the “shoot it wide deflection” shot EVERYTIME.  Still worked, because he’s a legend, but he wasn’t cranking in Shae Weber slap shots either.

This is on Holland one way or the other.  For having D that can’t score or not picking up a USEFULL forward in place of Filpulla.. and 2 of those NHL veterans we have “rotating” in and out.  All that cap space we’re not using and all the cap space we’re rotating..  and no one could’ve know Colaiacovo and Sammy would be hurt so often…no one… no one..

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/22/13 at 10:32 AM ET

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A Z/Brunner/Nyquist line would get mauled routinely.  We don’t have any nasty type D men.  Thought E was getting there but he’s back to playing soft.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/22/13 at 10:33 AM ET

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A Z/Brunner/Nyquist line would get mauled routinely.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/22/13 at 11:33 AM ET

I agree but who do you pencil in there that has size? The Wings don’t have anyone… This team is dying for a Doan, Stewart type not those guys but that type of player.

Posted by Lenny on 04/22/13 at 10:40 AM ET

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We have Abdelkader!


I agree, we do have needs.. have had needs for quite a while now but we’re overcoming them by playing “by comittee”.. like they weren’t playing a fuching team game to begin with, by committee is kinda the fuching fundemental point of team based sports.

But people keep drinking the kool-aid (heavensgate style, not Jonestown style, Red) and believing these ridiculous statements that make no sense just to prove you’re “right” at that moment.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/22/13 at 10:44 AM ET

Primis's avatar

Lack of D scoring?????  Seriously?

In a year, where we replaced none of our top 3 d over the past 4 years or more.. 1 a legend, one who spent half his NHL career making it to the Finals..  We don’t replace them, but you want to blame the D we have now, who you didn’t think was ready to begin with?  And if it’s the D why aren’t we playing more offensive guys like White?

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/22/13 at 11:32 AM ET

To be fair, the D’s scoring last year masked the lack of production up front for some I think.  For me, it’s not so much pointing the finger at the blueline for not scoring as it is wondering why they had to score so much last year to get by.  This lack of scoring up front thing is not a recent development just this season I think.

I also think White is a complement, he can’t drive the offense.  He was brought to the team almost for the sole reason of his handedness to play with Lidstrom.

Posted by Primis on 04/22/13 at 10:44 AM ET

detroitredwings's avatar

Guys, it is all very simple, really, if you check out team’s stats before and after the trade deadline. After deadline, when front office didn’t make ANY improvements, team stopped trying as well.

Posted by detroitredwings on 04/22/13 at 10:58 AM ET

Figaro's avatar

Why not?

Our motto for the last few games. 

Either we go 4-0 (Let’s do it!) or let’s just start trying sh*# on the ice to see what happens.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 04/22/13 at 11:03 AM ET

Primis's avatar

Guys, it is all very simple, really, if you check out team’s stats before and after the trade deadline. After deadline, when front office didn’t make ANY improvements, team stopped trying as well.

Posted by detroitredwings on 04/22/13 at 11:58 AM ET

Yup, I’m sure they grossly outshot VAN because they weren’t trying.

Posted by Primis on 04/22/13 at 11:17 AM ET

CaptainDennisPolonich's avatar

Why not bother?
Our motto for the last few games. 

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 04/22/13 at 12:03 PM ET

Based on their play of late.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 04/22/13 at 11:20 AM ET

igrover's avatar

“No more blind loyalty to older players - Bert, Sammy, Cleary - all have to go. Forget about giving Flip a huge raise. The guy is a bust.”

Sorry but Bert will be back for his last contract year.  And Cleary will be resigned for a lower amount and will play @ 70% of the ice time next year he is currently playing.

Flip will be resigned for @ $4.75 million and it will be declared a “bargain” signing.

Did I miss anything?

Posted by igrover on 04/22/13 at 11:22 AM ET

CaptainDennisPolonich's avatar

Sorry but Bert will be back for his last contract year.  And Cleary will be resigned for a lower amount and will play @ 70% of the ice time next year he is currently playing.
Flip will be resigned for @ $4.75 million and it will be declared a “bargain” signing.
Did I miss anything?
Posted by igrover on 04/22/13 at 12:22 PM ET

Babcock gets canned?

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 04/22/13 at 11:25 AM ET

bleep bloop's avatar

Unfortunately, the lack of offense is not so simple as their inability to score, because they periodically show they are still good offensively. It’s their unwillingness to score, and that’s not something that can be fixed in one morning skate (especially since they’ve been perfecting it for weeks).

Posted by bleep bloop on 04/22/13 at 01:52 PM ET

HockeytownOverhaul's avatar

Bleep you got it brother.  THAT’s why I get pissed.  I dont’ want to trade people for stats, or get people for stats.  We need some fire’n'brimstone to make these bastards give a shit about being worse than 60% of the league.  I weighed 128 when I went to basic training.  I weighed almost 160 when it was done.  It was like cycling roids.  Granted I was significantly malnourished due to poverty, but I had goals and I couldn’t stand someone doing better than me.  Played college ball?  Didn’t care, if I can’t over-power you I’ll be faster than you, go longer than you.  Find a way to be better than you.

This team doesn’t have that and it pisses me off cause they’re making millions of dollars to boot and WEVE SEEN HOW GOOD THEYVE SHOWN THEY CAN BE.  But they’ve only brought it a handful of times, which has me asking myself what they’re doing all those other games if not putting it all out there.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/22/13 at 03:05 PM ET

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