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Red Wings-Avs quick take: a ‘learning experience’ is generally not a pleasant title for a game

Update: FSD: 7 AM and 6 PM EST Friday = 1-hour replays of the Lidstrom retirement ceremony. FTR.

The Detroit Red Wings raised Nicklas Lidstrom's number to the rafters, and got off to a wonderful start against the despised Colorado Avalanche...

But the Wings have never won a game in which Lidstrom was publicly announced as in attendance in his post-playing career, and as the crowd left surprisingly early (perhaps they were subscribing to a certain Avs scribe's Tweets complaining about the late start), the gas seemed to go out of the Wings' young guns and new players alike--and yes, the "Kid Line" was once again in "learning" mode, because they were both responsible for the 2-1 goal...

And the 3-2 game-winner in OT, with Jimmy Howard really playing much better than his 3-goals-on-25-shots total suggests, and now the Wings facing a surprisingly early start against the Devils having lost two straight games.

The Wings got off to a superb start, and Niklas Kronwall scored a gorgeous, slick goal at 12:33 thanks to some smart and hard work from Joakim Andersson and Jonathan Ericsson...

But a comedy of errors yielded the game-tying goal, because a shitty rush--thanks in no small part to a lost David Legwand--yielded a 3-on-2 and a shot off the boards off of Niklas Kronwall and a rebound that Matt Duchene put in off of Johan Franzen's skate. 1-1 at 10:11 of the 2nd.

The standard of officiating, or the lack thereof, was absolutely bizarre all night long, but the Wings did capitalize on their only power play in regulation. Danny DeKeyser dumped the puck in on the second unit, and via a bounce off the stanchion, Riley Sheahan got the puck to Tomas Jurco, and the Wings put themselves up 2-1 12:10 into the 2nd, just under 2 minutes after the Avs tied things up.

The Wings ended the second period having out-shot Colorado 24-15, and they came into the third playing solidly enough, but as the rink emptied, the Wings' energy reserves seemed to disappear, and on a night where shoveling Legwand onto the Nyquist-Franzen line looked like a tactical error, Kyle Quincey vacated his position at the point, forcing Johan Franzen to play defense...

And he did so poorly, allowing Matt Duchene to overpower him, and again, Franzen's foot caused trouble--as he knocked Jimmy Howard's stick out of his hand-a-and when Duchene chipped the puck out into the slot, Danny DeKeyser was far too soft on P.A. Parenteau, who chipped the puck behind Howard to tie th game all of 5:49 into the 3rd:

From there, the Wings continued to pile up shots, but the problem was that the kind of attack that allowed the "Kid Line" to retrieve rebounds disappeared.

The Wings' forecheck disappeared and the perimeter play and drop-passes at the blueline began, and the Wings were so passive at times that Jean-Sebastien Giguere started playing the puck like he was Jimmy Howard (while Jimmy Howard stayed in his net).

The third period ticked down and the Wings seemed to be unable or unwilling to score, so the Wings wasted a 12-7 shot advantage in the 3rd...

And after a baffling penalty was called on Niklas Kronwall...

The Wings killed the penalty on Kronwall, and played a little 3 on 3 of their own, but when they got an even-up, they didn't do anything but try to force Niklas Kronwall to put the puck in the net by themselves, and eventually, with 32 seconds left in OT, the Wings...

Goofed.

Off a line chance, Riley Sheahan and Tomas Tatar crossed up their coverage, Danny DeKeyser and Jonathan Ericsson managed the puck poorly, and the Wings' defense was essentially walked around as an Erik Johnson pinch yielded Nathan MacKinnon finding Andrei Benoit wide out front as the Wings just stood there and watched the Avs take a desperately-needed second point and win away:

The Wings out-shot Colorado 37-25, but the stats that creeped up all night long were giveaways (9 giveaways and 4 Avs takeaways) and shots sent wide or into Avs players (the Wings fired 21 wide/blocked) as the Wings' energy level waned and the Avs surged.

Detroit was eventually predated upon, especially on a night where it was obvious that Daniel Alfredsson had little chemistry with Luke Glendening as his center and Todd Bertuzzi kind of looked stuck on the fourth line with a Joakim Andersson who'd done more than to be shoved back there, the defensive pairings that weren't Kronwall and Ericsson were adventures...

And so the Wings remain winless with Lidstrom in the house.

This one stings more because it was supposed to be Nick's night, and because Lidstrom's career essentially began to end when he blocked a shot against Colorado on February 25th, 2012.

Instead, Patrick Roy's team gets the win.

Statistics:

Shots: 37-25 Detroit overall. The Wings out-shot Colorado 13-8 in the 1st, 11-7 in the 2nd, 12-7 in the 3rd, and they were out-shot 3-1 in OT.

Special teams: Wings went 1-for-2 in 2:51 of PP time; the Avs went 0-for-2 in 3:08 of PP time.

Goaltending: Jimmy Howard stopped 22 of 25 shots for Detroit; Jean-Sebastien Giguere stopped 35 of 37 shots for the Avalanche.

The 3 stars were picked by the Macomb Daily's Chuck Pleiness, and he picked Niklas Kronwall, Matt Duchene and Andre Benoit.

The Red Wings' goals: Kronwall (7) from Andersson (7) and Ericsson (9);

Jurco (5) from Sheahan (9) and DeKeyser (12), PPG.

Faceoffs 29-26 Colorado (Detroit won 47%);

Blocked shots 13-11 Colorado;

Missed shots 8-6 Detroit (attempts 58-42 Detroit, with the Wings firing 21 wide of Giguere);

Hits 22-21 Colorado;

Giveaways 9-7 Detroit;

Takeaways 6-4 Detroit.

Individual stats:

Faceoffs: Legwand went 7-and-12 (37%); Glendening went 9-and-5 (64%); Sheahan went 7-and-4 (64%); Glendening went 9-and-5 (64%); Andersson went 1-and-4 (14$%); Franzen went 2-and-2 (50%).

Shots: Tatar led the Wings with 5 shots; Ericsson had 4; Andersson, Jurco, Kronwall and Franzen had 3; Nyquist, Sheahan, Legwand, Quincey, Bertuzzi and DeKeyser had 2; Smith, Abdelkader, Alfredsson and Glendening had 1.

Blocked attempts: Both Nyquist and Ericsson had 3 attempts blocked; Tatar had 2 attempts blocked; Abdelkader, Andersson, Miller, Lashoff and Franzen had 1 attempt blocked.

Missed shots: Bertuzzi and Franzen missed the net 2 times; Andersson, Tatar, Glendening and DeKeyser missed the net 1 time.

Hits: Smith led the Wings with 4 hits; Lashoff, Glendening and Ericsson had 3; Miller and Franzen had 2; Abdelkader, Andersson, Jurco and DeKeyser had 1.

Giveaways: Kronwall had 2 giveaways; Smith, Sheahan, Legwand, Tatar, Quincey, DeKeyser and Franzen had 1.

Takeaways: Tatar had 2 takeaways; Sheahan, Legwand, Kronwall and Franzen had 1.

Blocked opponent shots: DeKeyser had 3 hits; Glendening had 2; Sheahan, Miller, Tatar, Ericsson, Kronwall and Franzen had 1.

Penalties taken: Lashoff and Kronwall took minor penalties.

Plus-minus: The Wings finished at a collective -9. Legwand, DeKeyser and Franzen finished at -2; Nyquist, Sheahan, Tatar, Jurco, Quincey and Ericsson finished at -1; Andersson, Miller and Bertuzzi finished at +1.

Points: Kronwall and Jurco had goals; Sheahan, Andersson, Ericsson and DeKeyser had assists.

Ice time: Kronwall led the team with 24:25 played; DeKeyser played 23:35; Ericsson played 23:32;

Quincey played 22:16; Franzen played 19:07; Nyquist played 18:33;

Glendening played 16:56; Smith played 16:55; Sheahan played 16:36;

Alfredsson played 16:18; Abdelkader played 16:03; Legwand played 16:02;

Lashoff played 15:37; Jurco played 15:12; Tatar played 14:46;

Miller played 13:12; Andersson played 12:32; Bertuzzi played 12:15.

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Missed the game; kid’s basketball. 

How’d Legwand look?

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 03/06/14 at 11:25 PM ET

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And the 3-2 game-winner in OT, with Jimmy Howard really playing much better than his 3-goals-on-25-shots total suggests,

I thought that last goal was more on Jimmy for playing the puck right to MacKinnon ... and Giguere outplayed him.

 

Posted by MoreShoot on 03/06/14 at 11:26 PM ET

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A little lost at times. Strong skater, tenacious, good passer, just as much of a pain in the ass as he was with the Preds.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 03/06/14 at 11:28 PM ET

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Howard is extremely poor at handling the puck. His go to move is to ring it around the boards and that play resulted in 2 goals against tonight.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 03/06/14 at 11:31 PM ET

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Howard’s puckhandling has never been his strength. He’s suggesting that he wasn’t good enough on FSD, and I know that TMR and the 19 are quite sensitive about those who attempt to defend Howard, but I thought the players in front of him were quite poor defensively.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 03/06/14 at 11:49 PM ET

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but I thought the players in front of him were quite poor defensively.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 03/06/14 at 11:49 PM ET

Once again, lots of standing around watching.  Not enough moving around and picking up coverage on players.

Posted by Primis on 03/07/14 at 12:17 AM ET

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I unfortunately missed this one, as I’ve been looking forward to the Lidstrom ceremony all year. Something came up just before game time.

I really hate to say this phrase, because it’s such a boring and tired old phrase this year, but at least we got a point. I’ll catch tomorrow’s action and get to see Legwand first-hand then. It’s probably better that way, because ones first game on a new team isn’t always a bright spot for any player.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 03/07/14 at 12:57 AM ET

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They were terrible in their own zone pretty much any time there was a Dive (a well-earned title tonight) player in the zone, and every time, they couldn’t control the puck for the next couple shifts, which killed their transition game (that and missing two of their best puck carriers).

Stupid pass that never works but they keep trying it anyway and the inevitable turnover ultimately resulting in the winning goal…at which point I finished shouting at my screen “that’s what happens”. And another consecutive game given away after leading going into the third period. That is not a habit of a team that wants to go into the playoffs or win a single game when there, regardless of opponent.

They really need to sort out their shit in their own zone and play like they want to win.

Posted by bleep bloop on 03/07/14 at 01:21 AM ET

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I kinda understand the thought process of putting out Legwand, SixDFive, and Smith for the 3 on 3; two excellent skating D-men and a Center.

However, what actually happened was you had two inexperienced, young D-men out there with a BRAND NEW teammate, with whom they have no developed chemistry, and a guy that when it comes to passing the puck to a teammate, might still be a bit trigger-shy when he sees an open Red sweater (purely out of habit).  And while they controlled the puck for much of it, it was clear none of them knew where to go without the puck in the O-zone.  It was a very awkward shift for those guys and, I think, a wasted opportunity.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 03/07/14 at 01:57 AM ET

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Seemed like Franzen was in the crease for both of the regulation goals against us.  The wrong crease.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 03/07/14 at 03:03 AM ET

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Loved the energy from the kids.  First game I’ve felt optimistic in a while.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 03/07/14 at 03:04 AM ET

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with Jimmy Howard really playing much better than his 3-goals-on-25-shots total suggests,

I know that TMR and the 19 are quite sensitive about those who attempt to defend Howard

I’d say the level of sensitivity is rather more acute with regards to the people who attempt to hold Howard to some degree of responsibility.  He was mediocre (again), got significantly outplayed by the other goalie (again), who makes a boatload less than he does (again).

As often as this reality is avoided it yet bears repeating: Howard’s the highest active cap hit on the whole team right now.  With D and Z both out… he’s paid like The Guy (tm).

He is not playing like that.  He’s putting up Osgood numbers.  When you’re making 1-2 mil as Osgood was for large stretches in his career that’s not a problem.  When you’re making 5.3 it’s a borderline disaster.

There’s more going wrong with the Wings than Jimmy Howard.  To the degree what’s going wrong with Jimmy Howard is avoided in TMR it’s fair that it’s at least covered in the comments.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 03/07/14 at 05:04 AM ET

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I thought that last goal was more on Jimmy for playing the puck right to MacKinnon ... and Giguere outplayed him.

Posted by MoreShoot on 03/06/14 at 11:26 PM ET

Yep, the Avs backup goalie outplayed him.  The Parenteau goal is on him too.  Stick or no, if he hadnt left his post, its not in.

However, what actually happened was you had two inexperienced, young D-men out there with a BRAND NEW teammate

That brand new teammate ground that play to a hault all on his own by taking the puck into the zone, then standing there with it like he forgot where the hell he was until a DIve player gratiously took it from him.  I was not impressed with Legwand in the offensive zone all night, but I could pretty much say that for his entire career.

Posted by Hootinani on 03/07/14 at 08:20 AM ET

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Yep, the Avs backup goalie outplayed him.  The Parenteau goal is on him too.  Stick or no, if he hadnt left his post, its not in.

I don’t agree, DDK didn’t have his guy tied up and was off balance.

Posted by George0211 on 03/07/14 at 08:23 AM ET

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What frustrates me so much about our goalie situation is Holland went away from his successful way of building a team. His mantra was always give the money to the defense and have a serviceable netminder. He went away from that and now we are seeing why his mantra was the right way.  The issue was did Holland have the guts to offer Howard an extension at 3 mil, take it or leave it? And if he left go sign a replacement.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 03/07/14 at 08:37 AM ET

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What frustrates me so much about our goalie situation is Holland went away from his successful way of building a team. His mantra was always give the money to the defense and have a serviceable netminder. He went away from that and now we are seeing why his mantra was the right way.  The issue was did Holland have the guts to offer Howard an extension at 3 mil, take it or leave it? And if he left go sign a replacement.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 03/07/14 at 08:37 AM ET

Who is realistically available that he missed out on? He made a huge push for Sutter. The guy simply chose not to come to Detroit.
If another that caliber of a defenseman becomes available, I’m sure Holland will push for him

Posted by George0211 on 03/07/14 at 08:39 AM ET

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Loved the energy from the kids.  First game I’ve felt optimistic in a while.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 03/07/14 at 03:04 AM ET

Couldn’t agree more. The kids were on fire last night

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 03/07/14 at 09:12 AM ET

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I think we can all agree, tho, that it’s imperative that Howard bring his best game every night right now, and I don’t feel like we got it at all last night.

Posted by MoreShoot on 03/07/14 at 09:17 AM ET

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Whoa.. some of you we have become so accustom to pining blame on Howard that you will twist yourselves into knots to blame him.

1st Goal: A cluster of bad bounces.

2nd Goal: Howard had his stick pulled out of his hand and then moved to the center of the net based on a attempted pass to the middle which didn’t make it because it hit a skate resulting in him being off the post while the puck was in feet on the short side. When he realized where it was it was too late as 65DD didn’t have his man tied up and couldn’t stretch/recover in time. If that puck doesn’t hit a skate he played it correctly and because it was in feet he lost it. Bad break and bad coverage.

3rd Goal: Howard directed the initial shot away from the net as any goalie would do. His focus was on the shot and the shooter out high and it’s not his responsibility to know if there is an Av in the corner or not. If there is then it’s on the D and forwards to check him and neutralize the threat. Nobody picked up the backdoor player for an easy slam dunk. That’s coverage.

You can say Giggy outplayed him but it doesn’t make it true. Last night at least wasn’t a deficiency of goaltending. 

Posted by moocat on 03/07/14 at 09:20 AM ET

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Speaking of energy, or not having any, is 5 stride Dave Legwand 33 or 50? The guy would forecheck and then change, retreave a puck and change.  Look I get the 30 second, fresh legs bit, but he was barely completing a shift.

Posted by MurrayChadwick on 03/07/14 at 09:25 AM ET

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Whoa.. some of you we have become so accustom to pining blame on Howard that you will twist yourselves into knots to blame him.

Pretty much spot-on.

It makes me sick to read people blaming Howard because DET a) didn’t play good defense, and b) in general just got caught standing around too much.

Unfortunately, there are too many “fans” that are in denial and not wanting to face the reality, which is that DET as its defense is currently comprised isn’t a good team, and the forwards corps with injuries is so young and shallow.  So instead, they blame Howard because it’s easier and lazier than facing the reality because CLEARLY DET is still better than this or something.

On the A2Y GDT last night at the end I saw about 4 or 5 people blame Howard for the GWG.  Ken and Mick broke the goal down on TV and specifically noted how many Wings were *just standing around watching the play in their own end* with nobody picking up a man.

But nope, blame Howard.  Just go ahead and blame him.  Don’t EVER hold the defensemen accountable, don’t EVER hold forwards accountable.  There’s apparently only one Wing ever, and his name is Howard.

Posted by Primis on 03/07/14 at 09:31 AM ET

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Who is realistically available that he missed out on? He made a huge push for Sutter. The guy simply chose not to come to Detroit.
If another that caliber of a defenseman becomes available, I’m sure Holland will push for him

Edler isn’t of that caliber, but he’d probably complement nicely in the top four. Seeing Jarnkrok and Marchenko/Almquist/Quincey/picks would have been more than suitable to me, if Vancouver was interested. I just don’t think Vancouver is going to blow it up as quickly as the Luongo trade made it seem. Also not sure that’s enough for Edler without a Nyquist/Tatar/Jurco.

Posted by tekjansen on 03/07/14 at 09:35 AM ET

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Edler isn’t of that caliber, but he’d probably complement nicely in the top four. Seeing Jarnkrok and Marchenko/Almquist/Quincey/picks would have been more than suitable to me, if Vancouver was interested. I just don’t think Vancouver is going to blow it up as quickly as the Luongo trade made it seem. Also not sure that’s enough for Edler without a Nyquist/Tatar/Jurco.

Posted by tekjansen on 03/07/14 at 09:35 AM ET

From everything that’s been reported, Edler was not available. Edler would have been a good addition though, but we both agree, he is not a top tier D-man.
Article Paul posted about B’s possibly getting him, sounded like it hinged on Nucks trading Kessler first, I think that would have signaled a re-build.
Who knows what the hell they are doing now.

Posted by George0211 on 03/07/14 at 09:37 AM ET

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This team will do nothing without the addition of a true top 2 dman, which is exactly why Holland should not have wasted any potential trade ammunition on David 5 stride Legwand.  What if a a quality Dman is on the trade market this offseason, that pick and Jarncrook would’ve been nice complimentary pieces to bolster a package.

Posted by MurrayChadwick on 03/07/14 at 09:53 AM ET

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On the A2Y GDT last night at the end I saw about 4 or 5 people blame Howard for the GWG.  Ken and Mick broke the goal down on TV and specifically noted how many Wings were *just standing around watching the play in their own end* with nobody picking up a man.

please watch the play again (above).  There is one Wing, Tatar, who is collapsing and not sticking on Benoit.  There, I’ve assigned some other blame.  But Howard sees MacKinnon, he has to, before he essentially chips the puck straight to him.  The only way the playt gets exposed is if MacKinnon gets the puck in space.

Posted by MoreShoot on 03/07/14 at 10:00 AM ET

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...Daniel Alfredsson had little chemistry with Luke Glendening as his center and Todd Bertuzzi kind of looked stuck on the fourth line with a Joakim Andersson who’d done more than to be shoved back there, the defensive pairings that weren’t Kronwall and Ericsson were adventures…

I would agree with that. Personally, I’d have liked to see these lines:
Mule - Andy - Gus
Alfie - Legs - Bert
Tats - Sheahan - Jurco
Abby - Glendenning - Miller

I get why Babcock wanted Legwand’s first game to be with the #1 line, but it simply made Franzen and Gus much less effective than they’ve been since the break.

I would disagree with this assessment of Legwand…

...just as much of a pain in the ass as he was with the Preds.

I didn’t see any of that last night. He wasn’t credited with a single hit, and he wasn’t that strong on the puck. Hopefully, that was just first-night jitters, but the Legward I remember from past games against the Wings wasn’t there last night.

As for Howard, no, he didn’t get much help. In fact, both Dekeyser and Ericsson have both looked pretty lousy since the Olympic break. But Howard isn’t playing with the same “swagger” he had at this time last year. He looks pretty darn average on most night – and that’s just not good enough for a $5.5M goalie.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 03/07/14 at 10:13 AM ET

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It makes me sick to read people blaming Howard because DET a) didn’t play good defense, and b) in general just got caught standing around too much.

But nope, blame Howard.  Just go ahead and blame him.  Don’t EVER hold the defensemen accountable, don’t EVER hold forwards accountable.  There’s apparently only one Wing ever, and his name is Howard.

To this I reply “There’s more going wrong with the Wings than Jimmy Howard.  To the degree what’s going wrong with Jimmy Howard is avoided in TMR it’s fair that it’s at least covered in the comments.”  So, generally speaking, people should read more and maybe better.

Look, Jimmy Howard makes 5.3 mil a year against the cap.  When you make that much money you don’t get to say ‘hey, those dmen we only pay 2-4 mil a year to didn’t protect our 5.3 mil goalie enough’ because a big part of the reason Detroit hasn’t spent more on dmen is that they spent 5.3 mil a year on Jimmy Howard.  He’s supposed to help the defense, he’s supposed to be the best defensive player on the team, not have fans paint him out as a victim of it.

Did the defense swaddle Howard as though he were their firstborn child?  Nope.  The defense was mediocre.  Not for nothing, but looking down the ice I saw a freaking backup making 1.5 face 37 shots behind a defense that gives up an AVERAGE of 32.6 shots a game and only give up 2.

So, you know, things are tough all over for goalies.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 03/07/14 at 10:16 AM ET

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This team will do nothing without the addition of a true top 2 dman, which is exactly why Holland should not have wasted any potential trade ammunition on David 5 stride Legwand.

Great point, because an impending UFA who wasn’t even playing, a 3rd rounder and a prospect who may or may not be leaving the continent would be great ammunition to get a true top 2 dman.

Posted by Garth on 03/07/14 at 10:37 AM ET

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please watch the play again (above).  There is one Wing, Tatar, who is collapsing and not sticking on Benoit.  There, I’ve assigned some other blame.  But Howard sees MacKinnon, he has to, before he essentially chips the puck straight to him.  The only way the playt gets exposed is if MacKinnon gets the puck in space.

Posted by MoreShoot on 03/07/14 at 10:00 AM ET

Please watch the play again above yourself.

On the actual goal, Tatar didn’t pick up his man on the back-door, Sheahan didn’t pick up the puck carrier, and Ericsson was out of position too far out from the crease with the puck down low for some reason.  That’s at least 3 of the 4 skaters on the ice not in position.

Also keep in mind, MacKinnon is behind the net to get the puck from Howard because NOBODY IS MARKING HIM.  I think it’s DeKeyser that was briefly, but he leaves him to go after the puck, and that leaves Sheahan to mark him, except Riley is standing 6 feet in front of Howard frantically pointing for someone to “get” MacKinnon, oblivious to the fact that MacKinnon had become *his* man to cover.

You can continue to take the lazy way out and just blame Howard for re-directing a puck away from his crease in OT when he thinks nobody is around him and he has no reason to freeze it (MacKinnon is not in his vision, remember he’s wearing a goalie mask)... or you can actually watch the video and *see* the series of errors the Wings’ skaters made which led to the goal.

Howard did not let MacKinnon skate up out of the corner with the puck, and Howard did not let Benoit walk in back-door unattended… it was on the other skaters in front of him blowing their assignments.  Tatar and Sheahan are young, so I guess it’s to be expected when you put them in that position sometimes, but they’ve played so well otherwise we sometimes forget how young they are.


That said… it’ the same thing it’s been all season:  at a critical point in a game, Wings are just standing around in their own end.  And it predictably leads to a goal and a loss, as it always seems to.

Posted by Primis on 03/07/14 at 10:59 AM ET

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Short shifts, no chemistry with the top line guys, and looking uncertain on the ice at times?  Yeah, that in no way describes a guy playing his first game for a new team that plays a different system than the one he played for 14 years.

And the GWG was 4 guys standing 7 feet away from arguably the Avs’ best player, all wondering if their teammate is going to be the guy to go cover him, all staring at the puck oblivious to the other 3 Avs players on the ice.  Yeah, that’s Jimmy’s fault.

Also, stupid NHL Network blacked out the Wings coverage down here so I had to watch stupid Avs coverage (which, sadly, is really quite good.  They’ve got a great broadcast team. Stupid Avs.)

But we did get 1 point, which we needed.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 03/07/14 at 11:19 AM ET

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That said… it’ the same thing it’s been all season:  at a critical point in a game, Wings are just standing around in their own end.  And it predictably leads to a goal and a loss, as it always seems to.

Posted by Primis on 03/07/14 at 10:59 AM ET

The standing around I feel is more of an overall defensive problem.  Whenever the opposition gets sustained offensive zone pressure the Wings start playing very passive defensively and everyone starts collapsing towards Howard.  With everyone bunched together responsibilities start overlapping and too often you get two guys going after the puck carrier or no one.

This also gives the opposition way too much time to make a play, and generally leads to a flurry of shot opportunities.  With the forwards collapsing so much they can’t get to long rebounds and everyone’s too bunched together to control a short rebound so it just gets chipped to the boards where it’s recovered by the opposition.

There are plenty of reasons to collapse defensively and regroup, I get that.  But once you have regrouped you have to open back up and play defensive.  Instead, I see Detroit collapsing and just staying that way until the whistle or the until the puck’s cleared and it’s giving opponents way too much offensive zone time and way too many chances to build momentum.

Posted by Valek from Chicago on 03/07/14 at 11:37 AM ET

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From a TSN analysis
Franzen skated into the crease when Duchene’s shot was going to slide to the right of the net and he knocked it into the goal with his right skate.

The burly forward failed to do his job when the Avs tied the game for a second time.

Duchene carried the puck behind Detroit’s net, easily keeping it while Franzen lightly pushed him. Franzen then accidently knocked Howard’s stick out of his hands, making it tough for him to stop Parenteau’s game-tying shot.

Franzen lost the puck in the opening minute of overtime and Duchene had a breakaway attempt stopped by a holding penalty on Kronwall while he wasn’t holding his stick.

Just another point of view but a lot of Bad Mule in there

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 03/07/14 at 11:38 AM ET

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Just another point of view but a lot of Bad Mule in there

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 03/07/14 at 11:38 AM ET

Mule definitely had a bad night last night. Not for a lack of trying, I mean he wasn’t loafing for the most part, but half the things he did ended up going poorly ... or worse, in the net.

Posted by SK77 on 03/07/14 at 11:50 AM ET

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I find it interesting George that you say something like “But a comedy of errors yielded the game-tying goal, because a shitty rush—thanks in no small part to a lost David Legwand”, and thus blame a goal against us on Legwand,.....then you say ” Danny DeKeyser dumped the puck in on the second unit, and via a bounce off the stanchion, Riley Sheahan got the puck to Tomas Jurco, and the Wings put themselves up 2-1”...and you COMPLETELY fail to mention Legwand was not only on the ice for that goal that put the Wings up 2-1, he was also crashing the net and doing exactly what he was supposed to do. And unless they changed the scoring on that goal, he got an assist. Even if he hadn’t got an assist, if he had not been driving the net and/or another Red Wing would have been on the ice instead of him, the goal probably would not have happened.
George, I know you and others are upset the Red Wings got rid of a young guy in the organization who Babs and management say probably would NOT have made in to the NHL due to how deep the Wings are in the center position (when everyone is healthy) and because he had already been passed on the depth chart by players younger than himself.
But for the love of geebus, could you and everyone who wants to be all negative about Legwand please get over it, and get over yourselves, and grow up? This is reminding me of when they got Modano and you (George)  refused to call him anything but “willa”. You have a right to disagree with a move they make, but could you be more mature about it? We got rid of one guy (Eaves) who wanted out because he wanted to PLAY, and another guy Bab’s and management said would probably never make the team, and a future draft pick, to get an experienced center who contributed to a goal in his FIRST game with our Wings, and for the most part did not look out of place other than when Bab’s put him out there with two inexperienced defensemen in the 3 on 3.
I think one thing this season has shown us the that the Wings are deep. There is lots of young talent moving up through the system and we can afford to get rid of one guy who probably would not have made the team and was passed over by other players on the depth chart in order to get a PROVEN NHL veteran who is from the area, wants to be a Red Wing, wants to win a cup, already plays the Red Wings style, and will probably re-sign for a hometown discount just to stay with the Wings.
Get over it!!!!!!!!

Posted by Howdy Gordie on 03/07/14 at 12:51 PM ET

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Get over it!!!!!!!!

Posted by Howdy Gordie on 03/07/14 at 12:51 PM ET

You might be reading just a little too much into the post game report, sheesh.

Posted by SK77 on 03/07/14 at 12:59 PM ET

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Get over it!!!!!!!!

Totally agree and I like Leggy

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 03/07/14 at 02:04 PM ET

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I like the Legwand deal, too.

But I am not in the Howard camp.  I know it’s unfair to blame him on the last goal because there was a whole lot of standing around going on.  But, his original mishandling of the puck led to this result.

Look, goalies and quarterbacks get too much credit AND too much blame.  Don’t like it, well, then don’t play the position.  When you’re the last line of defense, the position demands that you bail your team out from time to time.

Jimmy doesn’t bail them out nearly enough.  Consider the goals he gives up early and late in periods.  There’s a reason why we call it the sphincter minute. Consider the goals he gives up shortly after a Wing goal, or a failed PP.  The goalie has to be you’re best penalty killer, and ours hasn’t been.

I watched this kid for four years in GR and he makes the same mechanical mistakes today as he did back them.  Overplays the puck and then scrambles to try to regain position. Goes down WAAAAY to easily and is slow to recover.  When he flops to make a save, he spends his time swimming and making snow angels instead of getting to his feet and finding the puck.  His puck handling is, and always has been horrible.  His vision seems limited because he frequently dishes to the wrong sweater or seems oblivious to where the pass is obviously going.  Many nights, he doesn’t seem to track the puck well all night long.

There were games when he was outstanding and deserved the 1st star.  And then he’d follow up with another inconsistent performance.  He would play great for periods (see 2-1 leads in the last two games) and then completely tank and cost the team 2 points.  I’ll admit, he has improved on his angles and doesn’t seem to allow as many short side softies as in the past, but he still has room to improve.

He’s 44th in a 30 team league in GAA and Save Percentage, AND he’s being paid $5.3 per.  If he was making a mil or two, I could live with this performance.  But he’s paid to be an elite, olympian-type goaltender and we are NOT getting what Mr. I is paying for.

Thus, he will continue to earn my ire until he makes me eat my words.

Oh yeah, we’re paying him $5.3 per, for the next five years, too.  I’m hoping Mrazek develops quickly so maybe the last four years of Howard’s contract can be spent earning $64,634.15 per game charting face offs.

Posted by Bill from GR on 03/07/14 at 02:35 PM ET

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I think you’re spot on in your critique of Howard’s game.

He’s frustrating for how many great saves he can make and then just look silly, almost like the Kyle Quincey of goalies (that is, does his job better than you’d think, but the screw-ups seem big enough to overshadow a lot of the rest).

I think Howard’s contract is fine, in the same sense Franzen’s is, where he’s as dangerous as anybody else in the league in spurts, and also disappears for stretches.

The new going rate for the top tier goalie will be $7.5-8 million, now that Lundqvist has signed his extension. I’m sure Miller will approach $7 million or so. Other goalies with similar cap hits are hitting the market soon.

If the Howard of the last two years returns, instead of this year’s and 2011’s Howard, I think his contract will look very nice (as have most of Holland’s middle-aged contracts, look at Ericsson) as Mrazek develops to challenge for starts.

Posted by tekjansen on 03/07/14 at 02:48 PM ET

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Bill from GR

Unfortunately I agree that Howrd is not and never will be a Top 10-15 Goalie in the NHL. I am a goalie fan for many years but his stats and not being able to steal more games is concerning.

Length of contract was to long. Howie is a above average but not great.  The Wings with the current defence need great.  Monsters style is ugly but he gets points.

Maybe this whole year has been a mess and hard to evaluate any players?

 

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 03/07/14 at 02:49 PM ET

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Bill from GR:  I think you’re confusing George and the Chief on the Modano/Willa parts.  Other than that I agree with the sentiment of not letting bitterness over the price paid sour you toward the player who is blameless here in Legwand.  He waived his ntc meaning he wanted to be in Detroit.  Eaves no longer did and Järnkrok wasn’t good enough to be.

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 03/07/14 at 02:56 PM ET

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