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Red Wings afternoon news: ‘All-time’ Wings, McKenzie on advanced stats and out-of-comfort-zone fun

This afternoon's Red Wings-related stories are "ecclectic"--not exactly Mike Babcock's "analytics"-based chat with NHL.com's Dan Rosen--but there's enough here to keep you occupied.

Detroit is celebrating its 313rd birthday today, and as the Detroit Free Press led off its 53-image gallery of "Detroit's 10 Greatest Sports Figures" with Steve Yzerman (Gordie Howe and Nicklas Lidstrom also make their list, and the 97 and 2002 Wings are listed among the Freep's best Detroit sports teams), MLive's Brendan Savage asked readers to weign in as to what might constitute the Wings' all-time best starting lineup:

Candidates to be the center on the Red Wings all-time team have to include Alex Delvecchio, Sid Abel, Norm Ullman, Marcel Dionne, Pavel Datsyuk, Sergei Fedorov and Steve Yzerman.

Wingers who would have to be considered part of the mix include Gordie Howe, Ted Lindsay, Frank Mahovlich, Brett Hull, Brendan Shanahan and Henrik Zetterberg, who could also crack the lineup at center if that's your choice.

Defensemen could include Red Kelly, Nicklas Lidstrom, Larry Murphy, Chris Chelios, Slava Fetisov, Paul Coffey and even Vladimir Konstantinov given his body of work in six seasons before his career was tragically cut short.

And goaltenders in the discussion would have to include Terry Sawchuk, Dominik Hasek, Glenn Hall and Chris Osgood.

Savage continues (I need to note that the Detroit News's Ted Kulfan discussed the Wings' current forward lineup via a photo gallery), and the Hockey News flips the discussion on its head via Ryan Kennedy's, "Five most evil Photoshops we could come up with." This one's scary:

I like the guy whose head was replaced better...

And this, too:




Regarding the "advanced stats" debate and Babcock's comments made to NHL.com's Rosen, SI's Allan Muir found an intriguing twist: TSN 1290 Winnipeg's Michael Remis transcribed an interview that TSN's Bob McKenzie conducted yesterday, and McKenzie really deconstructed the debate:

TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie joined Macko and Cauz on TSN 1050 earlier today and discussed the hot topic of hockey analytics.

On the Analytics Debate:

“The thing that makes me laugh a little bit about the whole analytics debate, in the media the old school media vs. the new school if that’s what you want to call it. People are still debating Corsi. I mean, the analytics in the National Hockey League team by team for the most part are so beyond Corsi that it’s not even a talking point. Corsi’s just a basic metric that some people use, some people don’t.

The stuff that teams are doing, I don’t want to say it’s more sophisticated because it is shrouded in mystery. But there’s no question that it’s more sophisticated because they link things more to video and break things down more analytically that way. I kind of chuckle because this whole argument over Corsi, Fenwick and PDO and all these things. Most of the teams that I’m aware of are years past the whole Corsi debate.”

On the use of video:

“There are continual upgrades on the software and the programming that (allow you to) break down a game in video. (For example) the game’s over, (TSN 1050 Host) Macko has played a game and (TSN 1050 Host) Cauz has played a game and I’m the coach and I say, I want every one of Macko’s shifts from that game, or I want every one of Macko’s shifts where he tried to get the puck out from the hash marks to the blue line. They can have that in a matter of moments.

I went to TSN 1050's "Macko and Cauz" page and found the McKenzie interview:




In more "flipping things on their head" talk, CBS Detroit's posited a pair of articles discussing the "vibrant" status of Downtown Detroit and the absolute necessity for the real estate that the Red Wings' follow-on rink and its surrounding development will provide, so the Motor City Muckraker's Steve Neavling. decided to take some photos of the Cass Corridor as it currently stands, and this is what it looks like...

Images courtesy of the Motor City Muckraker's Steve Neavling, whose Facebook and Twitter pages speak of a man who is called a "One-Man Brand," and these are the tamer photos...

And, via RedWingsFeed, MLive's Dustin Block compared the current state of Columbia Street to the concept photos posted by the "District Detroit" website...

Image by MLive's Elaine Cromie

Compare those images with the Columbia Street concepts...

And the Cass Corridor with what's supposed to be there three years from now...




And finally, Dominic Moore is holding a charity ping pong/table tennis tournament called "Smashfest" this evening, he's won the Masterton Trophy after overcoming his wife's passing due to cancer, and he's finally enjoying some stability team-wise, but the National Post's Sean Fitz-Gerald spent 4 of his 20 questions with Moore discussing...You know...

7. When was the last time you saw film of what happened to Steve?
DM: I haven’t seen it in a long time.

8. You beat the Red Wings all three times you saw them last season, and you got an assist in two of those wins: Have you ever spoken with Bertuzzi on the ice?
DM: No.

9. What impact do you think this court case might have on the game and the league?
DM: I don’t know. That’s not for me to say.

10. A decade after the incident, which left Steve with a concussion, among other injuries, why do you think so players try to return to play so quickly after suffering head trauma?
DM: I don’t know. I think that comes down to every player, individually. Every player reacts differently and has different symptoms when it comes to the head injuries. I can’t necessarily answer that for every player.


Quick update: this is a far cheerier topic to end upon, from the Grand Rapids Griffins:


GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. – Forwards Robert Thrailkill Jr. and Aaron Wemple from the Grand Rapids Sled Wings sled hockey program have been named to the 2014-15 U.S. National Developmental Sled Hockey Team.

Thrailkill, 23, begins his second season on the U.S. developmental squad, while Wemple, 17, earned his spot with an impressive debut at last week’s USA Hockey Sled Player Development Camp, scoring four goals and an assist in four games. Three Sled Wings defensemen were also chosen to participate in that camp, including Caleb Janssen, Tim White, and four-time U.S. developmental team member Tyler Anderson.

Seventeen players were ultimately chosen for the 2014-15 U.S. National Sled Hockey Team, while Thrailkill and Wemple were among another 18 tabbed for the developmental squad.

Formerly a lance corporal and combat engineer in the U.S. Marine Corps, Thrailkill only began playing for the Sled Wings’ adult team in December 2012. After losing both legs in an explosion in Afghanistan on Oct. 26, 2010, the Pentwater, Mich., native spent the next 25 months recovering at Walter Reed Hospital in Bethesda, Md.

Wemple has logged five seasons with the Sled Wings’ junior team, serving as captain during the last two. The Grand Rapids-born-and-bred center will move up to the adult team this fall. 

The Sled Wings’ junior team, comprised of children and teens who have physical disabilities, is sponsored by the Griffins Youth Foundation in partnership with Mary Free Bed Rehabilitation Hospital. The Sled Wings became the first junior-level sled hockey team in Michigan upon their founding in 2001, and they have gained a national reputation by winning various prestigious tournaments and continuing to develop high-caliber players under the direction of junior coach Steve Kozlowski and adult coach Leo DelCarmen. Anderson (2009-12; 13-14) and Chris Melton (2010-11) have also played for the U.S. developmental team, while Susie Kluting has played the last three seasons with the U.S. Women’s Sled Hockey Team.

The developmental team roster can be found at usahockey.com.

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RWBill's avatar

There really are people who believe that the team’s just going to tread water until 2017, and I hope they’re wrong. I see more positive than negative, again, save the free agent signings, but there’s no doubt that the “low ebb” can’t get any lower.
Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/24/14 at 03:24 AM ET

This is a silly notion unless one believes the Franchise just does not care.  Every one in charge, and every knowledgeable fan, knows you can’t suddenly “turn it on” and immediately build a winning team.  You have to carefully try to replace parts and try to predict NHL level contributors 4 years in advance.

The Wings, though disapointing lately by Wings standards, have fielded a competitive team through 2 major lockouts, rule changes, a communist hard cap and revenue theft, retirements and signifiacant injuries to the team’s best two players.

Indeed, the “low ebb” can certainly get much lower (see 29 other NHL franchises).

Posted by RWBill on 07/24/14 at 02:38 PM ET


If what Mckenzie says about analytics is true, and I believe it is because Mckenzie is a fantastic analyst, then Corsi and Fenwick are only useful to fans.

Posted by ianfdunham on 07/24/14 at 02:59 PM ET


You know, I hadn’t watched the Bertuzzi-Moore incident, or maybe more appropriately Vancouver-Dive incident because after Bertuzzi jumps Moore, looked like 2 Avs piled on top of Bertuzzi on top of Moore.  I don’t have all the angles, but I’m going to say that 1) what Bertuzzi did was wrong 2) things were not helped when the next two Avs players jumped on top of Bertuzzi and Moore, particularly the first one who drove Bertuzzi on top of Moore when he was on the ice already.

That being said. Steve Moore should be sued by Marcus Naslund for assault with intent to injure. Steve Moore did the type of thing that should result in a permanent ban from hockey. Naslund was apparently never the same and that should have been all on Moore. So. Moore sues Bertuzzi for all he’s worth then Naslund should be able to sue Moore for all he’s worth and the only winners are the lawyers…

Posted by teldar on 07/24/14 at 06:13 PM ET

SnLO's avatar

and the only winners are the lawyers…

you learn quickly young padawan.

Posted by SnLO from the binary digisphere on 07/25/14 at 11:33 AM ET

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