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Prospect news: Cholowski cut from Canadian WJC camp, and OHL news

Of prospect-related note:

In World Junior Championship news, Team Canada made its first cuts at its World Junior selection camp, and the Canadian Press reports that Dennis Cholowski was sent back to the WHL's Prince George Cougars. This is a bummer for Cholowski, who hoped to make the Canadian roster, but they're stacked on defense.

It's still highly likely that Kasper Kotkansalo (Finland), Malte Setkov (Denmark) and Filip Larsson (Sweden) will play at the WJC.

In game news, in the OHL, Kaden Fulcher served as the back-up and Reilly Webb finished at -1 in the Hamilton Bulldogs' 5-2 win over North Bay;

And Zach Gallant finished at -1 with 3 shots and a 10-for-20 faceoff record, and Cole Fraser finished at -1 as their Peterborough Petes lost 5-2 to Ottawa.

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Chychrun in the NHL.
Fabbro is on Canada’s top pair, after already making the team last year.
Cholowski is the first cut.
Sigh. But we needed that cap space for Nielsen. Where would we be without him? Bottom 3 instead of 5?

Posted by fatsavage on 12/15/17 at 09:08 AM ET

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Just because cholo was cut does not mean he isn’t any good bud. I’d argue he has a chance to make the wings next year. I feel he will be a solid dman and with the cut happening, he will take it to heart and be beast in the latter half of the WHL season and into next season.

Posted by timjohn12 on 12/15/17 at 10:11 AM ET

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I never claimed Cholowski wasn’t any good.

But at this point, he’s clearly well behind other d-men sitting on the board for us. That’s frustrating. And cold hard truth at this point.

Posted by fatsavage on 12/15/17 at 10:17 AM ET

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I think that trade was perfect. Keep in mind, we got Hronek as well in the trade and he’s playing in Grand Rapids right now. I think our D prospects are better than people think. Kaspar Kostankalo is having a great freshman season after being a somewhat unknown in the USHL. We also have hicketts amd Saarijarvi playing in GR and Sambrook(underrated 2016 pick).

We might not have that elite number 1/2 dman but we have solid dman prospects.

Posted by timjohn12 on 12/15/17 at 10:24 AM ET

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Posted by timjohn12 on 12/15/17 at 09:11 AM ET

Not even worth the attempt, dude. We all knew Cholo would be a project, and that he is on a different scale than a lot of other players, in a different organization that handles prospects differently.

Using this against Cholo just fits the narrative.

Posted by ilovehomers on 12/15/17 at 10:24 AM ET

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That’s true ilovehomers

Posted by timjohn12 on 12/15/17 at 10:28 AM ET

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I think that trade was perfect. Keep in mind, we got Hronek as well in the trade and he’s playing in Grand Rapids right now.

Ah the old Hronek argument. Remember, we picked Givani Smith 7 picks before Hronek. So you pick Chychrun or Fabbro. Then you wait until round 2 and pick Hronek. The end. That means no Givani Smith. Oh the horror. How will we ever find another bottom 6 winger?

I think our D prospects are better than people think.

Where have I heard this before? Like when Smith and Kindl would be our future top pair. Then when that didn’t pan out, we drafted Ouellet and Sproul. Sproul was supposedly the next Seabrook with a booming shot. Plus we had Almquist to quarterback the PP. Yeah we’re just loaded with top 4 d-men. Sorry. Not buying it. Saarijarvi, Hronek, and Hicketts are all small and will face an uphill battle to become impact NHL d-men. Cholowski obviously has the most potential. But his development has been very slow relative to many of his peers.

But I admire the optimism of others…

Posted by fatsavage on 12/15/17 at 10:44 AM ET

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Posted by timjohn12 on 12/15/17 at 09:11 AM ET

Best not to bother feeding the trolls. 

Before looking at the comments I knew someone would have commented the Cholo’s no good, what a waste, shouldn’t have drafted him, fire everyone, etc etc. 

The way I see it, this could give Cholowski a fire in his belly to be better.

Posted by TreKronor on 12/15/17 at 10:49 AM ET

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But at this point, he’s clearly well behind other d-men sitting on the board for us. That’s frustrating. And cold hard truth at this point.

Posted by fatsavage on 12/15/17 at 09:17 AM ET

If you thought Cholo was going to be anything but a late-blooming project then I’m really sorry for you. The kid shows a lot of promise and let’s not forget that had he not left college we wouldn’t be seeing him for another 3 years anyway.

I think we should just take a deep breath here. The way Cholo responds to this will show the kind of player he is and wants to be.

Posted by Colin from Ken Holland's new yacht, "Incompetence" on 12/15/17 at 10:54 AM ET

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You always bash players bud.

Does Ryan Ellis or torey krug ring a bell? Hell, Erik Karlsson is 6’ and only 180. Being small doesn’t mean you won’t have an impact in the NHL. The game has changed completely since the 90s not sure if you noticed that or not. Samuel girard, victor mete are also small dman who play in the NHL right now. You seem to not know much about hockey in general to understand that.

Posted by timjohn12 on 12/15/17 at 10:55 AM ET

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Does Ryan Ellis or torey krug ring a bell? Hell, Erik Karlsson is 6’ and only 180. Being small doesn’t mean you won’t have an impact in the NHL. The game has changed completely since the 90s not sure if you noticed that or not. Samuel girard, victor mete are also small dman who play in the NHL right now. You seem to not know much about hockey in general to understand that.

Posted by timjohn12 on 12/15/17 at 09:55 AM ET

Yes there are many examples of small d-men making an impact. And the game is hopefully allowing for more of that.

But it’s still an uphill battle when size is not on your side. You better have elite skating, puckhandling, and hockey sense to help compensate for that. Much like Karlsson, Krug, Ellis, etc…Otherwise you’re more likely to be Almquist, Lebda, and a list of a thousand other small d-men that couldn’t make it.

Not sure why that’s so controversial.

And for the record, at no point did I ever say Cholowski was no good, or a complete bust. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Of course he isn’t. I fully expect him to some day play in the NHL. But you also can’t deny the facts that there were other d-men on the board for us that are much, much further along in their development. Doesn’t mean Cholowski can’t catch up someday and eclipse them all. But that’s less likely as time goes on.

Posted by fatsavage on 12/15/17 at 11:10 AM ET

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Don’t you guys know that every 18 year old defenseman you draft is supposed to be NHL-ready in, at most, 2 years? If not, sooner.

May as well call it a career now, Cholo. You’re done.

Posted by ilovehomers on 12/15/17 at 11:15 AM ET

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And for the record, at no point did I ever say Cholowski was no good, or a complete bust. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Of course he isn’t. I fully expect him to some day play in the NHL. But you also can’t deny the facts that there were other d-men on the board for us that are much, much further along in their development. Doesn’t mean Cholowski can’t catch up someday and eclipse them all. But that’s less likely as time goes on.

Posted by fatsavage on 12/15/17 at 10:10 AM ET

With the state of the team, I will be happy that Cholo will come on board after a few albatrosses have flown the roost. Chychrun and their ilk would only trick our GM and ownership into thinking we’re better than we are. Give Cholo a couple years while we flounder and draft high, then when he hits the scene his D partner might be a Rasmus Dahlin or Bode Wilde instead of someone he has to compromise his own development and play to cover for in Kronwall, Ericsson, etc.

I think with the state of the team and its roster, Cholo is in the perfect spot. It’s disappointing he didn’t make the WJC roster, but what he does with that disappointment will show what he can be.

Posted by Colin from Ken Holland's new yacht, "Incompetence" on 12/15/17 at 11:19 AM ET

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Exactly Colin. As long as we get a top 10(I’d prefer top 3) pick, we’re going to get our best dman prospect we have ever had for a while especially with the depth and elite talent the top ten has this upcoming draft.

Posted by timjohn12 on 12/15/17 at 11:23 AM ET

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Don’t you guys know that every 18 year old defenseman you draft is supposed to be NHL-ready in, at most, 2 years? If not, sooner.

May as well call it a career now, Cholo. You’re done.

Posted by ilovehomers on 12/15/17 at 10:15 AM ET

Once again, something else I never said. Dante Fabbro is the same age, playing college hockey, likely for at least another year, maybe 2. Only a complete apologist would say they are pleased we chose Cholowski over him.

And Colin, I totally get your point. I also wouldn’t want Cholowski playing for this roster, getting ruined by this coach. And next year is probably even worse. That’s why Fabbro would have been great. Committed to BU. Lots of time to develop his game. And arrive at age 21-22 ready to compete for a spot. The irony is he also played in the second tier BCHL that Cholowski played in. So anybody who scouted Cholowski would have likely witnessed Fabbro over and over as well. And look who picked Fabbro…Nashville…they seem to know something about drafting NHL d-men. But we’re awesome at drafting middle 6 wingers!

Posted by fatsavage on 12/15/17 at 11:30 AM ET

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Posted by Colin from Ken Holland’s new yacht, “Incompetence” on 12/15/17 at 10:19 AM ET

Everything about this. We spend all this time harping about how everything on this team sucks. And it is mostly accurate.

So why waste any part of Cholo’s career helping this iteration of the team? We all want a “rebuild” in one way or another, so why do we not find the patience for our prospects that are indeed supposed to be projects? Rebuilds take years, and we are willing to sacrifice the team’s record for that, but when it comes to prospects, they have to be superstars now.

Posted by ilovehomers on 12/15/17 at 11:36 AM ET

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FS, it doesn’t matter who we picked, Cholo, Chych, or Fabbro.  They’d still be at least 2 rungs below the NHL right now.  That’s the Red Wings Way (TM).

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 12/15/17 at 11:52 AM ET

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but when it comes to prospects, they have to be superstars now.

Posted by ilovehomers on 12/15/17 at 10:36 AM ET

Not one person is saying that. Oh well. Moving on.

Posted by fatsavage on 12/15/17 at 11:54 AM ET

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I never claimed Cholowski wasn’t any good.

remember folks, implying only means you don’t have to be accountable. Ask the donald.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 12/15/17 at 08:10 PM ET

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Fabbro is interesting for sure, more so, than I think Chych. 
However, Glass, Stanley, etc were cut as well…. guess those were all bad picks too right?

Posted by DieByTheWing on 12/20/17 at 05:00 PM ET

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