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Practice Tweets: Kronwall takes a ‘maintenance day’ as Wings regroup with new lines

Updated 2x at 12:32 PM: Mrazek starts Tuesday, Vanek returns Sunday, Kronwall "off" Tuesday: The Red Wings hit the ice at Joe Louis Arena at 11 AM this morning, practicing to prepare to battle the Tampa Bay Lightning on Tuesday.

With the Lightning playing in Brooklyn this evening (with Andrei Vasilevskiy starting), the Wings might be able to pounce upon a tired opponent tomorrow, but that's only possible if the team manages to improve significantly from their 5-0 loss to Montreal this past Saturday.

MLive's Ansar Khan reported in from practice...

Kronwall not practicing today. Same with Athanasiou (knee). #RedWings

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Ryan Sproul working on first power play unit. Might be holding Kronwall's spot or might be playing. We'll see what Blashill says. #RedWings

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#RedWings power play units:
Nyquist-Zetterberg-Abdelkader (net front), Green-Sproul
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Tatar-Nielsen-Larkin, Mantha (net front), Smith

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Glendening skating on line with Nielsen and Larkin for #RedWings.

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#RedWings lines at practice:
Abdelkader-Zetterberg-Tatar
Larkin-Nielsen-Glendening
Nyquist-Helm-Mantha
Miller-Sheahan-Bertuzzi/Ott

As did DetroitRedWings.com's Dana Wakiji...

#RedWings Kronwall not skating this morning. Also Athanasiou, of course.

The Detroit News's Greg Krupa...

And the Detroit News's Ted Kulfan...

No Kronwall on the ice this morning...

The Free Press's Helene St. James also said, "Hello":

Also: While Anthony Mantha will only be with the Wings until Thomas Vanek returns, ESPN's Sean Allen took note of Mantha's play from a fantasy hockey perspective...

Anthony Mantha played 18:58 in his season debut with the Red Wings on Saturday, including a team-high 5:38 on the power play. Mantha finally looks like he's solved the pro hockey circuit this season, scoring eight goals and two assists in 10 AHL games to start the season. The Red Wings are starved to find some consistency on offense, and Mantha might offer them an opportunity to do just that.

And NHL.com's Dan Rosen examined 10 possible candidates for induction into the Hockey Hall of Fame next year:

Chris Osgood (4th year eligible): Osgood compares favorably to [Rogie] Vachon despite playing in different eras. Osgood won 401 games and the Stanley Cup three times, including twice as the starter. Vachon won 355 games and the Cup three times, once as a starter. Osgood had 50 shutouts; Vachon had 51. Osgood is 11th all-time in wins despite being 20th in appearances (744). Vachon is 19th in wins and 16th in appearances (795). Osgood had a 2.49 goals-against average; Vachon had a 2.99 GAA.

 

After practice, From the Free Press's St. James...

Petr Mrazek said he's been told he's starting Tuesday for Wings vs Tampa Bay.

And MLive's Khan:

#RedWings Thomas Vanek (hip) said he should be ready to go when he comes off LTIR Sunday vs. Calgary.

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#RedWings Blashill said Kronwall will not play tomorrow. Giving him few days break. Wouldn't confirm if Sproul is replacing him.

Update #2: From Kulfan...

Blashill says Kronwall will not play Tomorrow...just giving him some time off

Wakiji...

#RedWings Blashill said Kronwall won't play tomorrow and will not practice until Thursday to help him maintain his knees.

St. James...

Blashill said Niklas a Kronwall won't play Tuesday, opportunity to give him some rest. #RedWings

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Thomas Vanek (hip) practicing, says he feels good. Eligible to join Red Wings Sunday (will be 10 games Tues, but Friday = 24th day LTIR).

And Krupa:

blashill: glendening a thought on 2d line in continuing efforts to get more forwards down low at net. but not for sure.

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blashill: taking advantage of schedule to get kronwall four days off, consecutively.

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blashill: good practice, emphasizing puck battles because they key puck possession.

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Glenny on the 2nd line??? Because throwing a 4th liner on a scoring line as worked so well? I’m curious is this a Red Wings thing? Do other teams in the league throw career 4th liners on scoring lines? I don’t get the thought process behind it honestly.

Posted by benzanato on 11/14/16 at 12:57 PM ET

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Larkin-Nielsen-Glendening
Nyquist-Helm-Mantha
Miller-Sheahan-Bertuzzi/Ott

Looks like Glendenning may be this year’s Helm, playing two lines above his maximum skill level. Personally, I’d move Anthony up one and put Lil’ Bert on the third line until AA returns. But then I don’t have the vast coaching knowledge that Blashill does.  tongue rolleye

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 11/14/16 at 01:04 PM ET

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  Glendening gets a promotion!!!!  This guy is the best!  He just continues to fail upwards.  You just can’t make this shit up!  Friendly Babs has jumped the shark and it’s only his second season.

And the long, long season, just keeps on rolling along.

Posted by Wise1 on 11/14/16 at 01:06 PM ET

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Mantha’s going back down when Vanek returns?

I think that’s smart.  The team is scoring too much and playing too well.  We can’t risk having more talent in the lineup.  We’ve got to leave some points on the board for the sake of the rest of the NHL.

Posted by captaineclectic on 11/14/16 at 01:27 PM ET

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You’re using logic, that’s not welcomed on this team.

Posted by benzanato on 11/14/16 at 01:31 PM ET

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So the solution for 5:0 face slapping is to promote Worst Hands In The League Glendenning to 2nd line?

Makes sense

Posted by George0211 on 11/14/16 at 01:53 PM ET

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Abdelkader-Zetterberg-Tatar
Larkin-Nielsen-Glendening
Nyquist-Helm-Mantha
Miller-Sheahan-Bertuzzi/Ott

Put a possession killer on each line.  brilliant.

Posted by duhduhduh on 11/14/16 at 01:56 PM ET

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You’re using logic, that’s not welcomed on this team.

Posted by benzanato on 11/14/16 at 12:31 PM ET

Could you imagine us using a lineup with Mantha, AA, Bertuzzi, and Vanek?

It’s just too gifted.  Think about who we’d have to sit to make that work.

Larkin-Zetterberg-Vanek
Nyquist-Nielsen-Tatar
AA-Sheahan-Mantha
Abdelkader-Helm-Bertuzzi

That almost looks like an NHL lineup.

Posted by captaineclectic on 11/14/16 at 01:56 PM ET

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We all better get used to the idea of Glendening being cemented into this lineup.  He’s signed for a lot of years after this one.  It’s kind of making me rethink a pattern I’ve noticed in the last few games.  Larkin playing some shifts with Glenny and Ott.  At first I was pissed that Larkin was being demoted to the 4th line, now I’m even more pissed that Glenny and Ott were being promoted to the top line.

It’s becoming increasingly difficult to follow this team too closely.

Posted by Wise1 on 11/14/16 at 01:57 PM ET

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It’s just too gifted.  Think about who we’d have to sit to make that work.

Larkin-Zetterberg-Vanek
Nyquist-Nielsen-Tatar
AA-Sheahan-Mantha
Abdelkader-Helm-Bertuzzi

That almost looks like an NHL lineup.

Posted by captaineclectic on 11/14/16 at 12:56 PM ET

Yeah, but where’s the grit?  Sandpaper?  Jam!?  And how would they know what to do in the locker room without a locker room guy????

Posted by Wise1 on 11/14/16 at 02:00 PM ET

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The Wings don’t have the cap space to accommodate Vanek’s contract as well as Mantha and Bertuzzi’s contracts. Those moves will have nothing to do with merit and everything to do with cap management or the lack thereof.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 11/14/16 at 02:02 PM ET

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Those moves will have nothing to do with merit and everything to do with cap management or the lack thereof.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 11/14/16 at 01:02 PM ET

Ah, the Red Wing way.

Posted by Wise1 on 11/14/16 at 02:05 PM ET

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the Wings might be able to pounce upon a tired opponent tomorrow

Not exactly worked out against the Oilers and the Jets.

Glenny on the 2nd line???

what took Blashill so long?!
Regarding the PP. Green is our best PP specialist. Why not give him “his own unit”? I mean if the new idea is to have 2 dmen on one of the units (the idea that is just not working so far at all), why one of those dmen is Green? Pair I don’t know Smith and Sproul and give Green a separate unit.

Posted by VPalmer on 11/14/16 at 02:25 PM ET

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Blashill said Kronwall will not play tomorrow. Giving him few days break.

There are 3 days break between the games. Just admit already that Kron’s knee is not well. Denial does not help here.

Posted by VPalmer on 11/14/16 at 02:26 PM ET

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The Wings don’t have the cap space to accommodate Vanek’s contract as well as Mantha and Bertuzzi’s contracts. Those moves will have nothing to do with merit and everything to do with cap management or the lack thereof.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 11/14/16 at 01:02 PM ET

Of course the Wings have that cap space.  Bertuzzi and Mantha make less than Miller and Ott, so there is no cap issue.  There’s a stupidity issue. 

 

Posted by captaineclectic on 11/14/16 at 02:31 PM ET

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Larkin-Nielsen-Glendening
Nyquist-Helm-Mantha

I personally think that Larkin does not need a good center to play with. He pretty much makes plays by using his speed and skill, so I would put him with Helm if necessary. On the other hand Nyquist and Mantha seem to need a passing center, so would put Nielsen between them.

Posted by VPalmer on 11/14/16 at 02:31 PM ET

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Abdelkader-Zetterberg-Tatar
Larkin-Nielsen-Glendening
Nyquist-Helm-Mantha
Miller-Sheahan-Bertuzzi/Ott


I don’t know how anyone can criticize those lines. After all, that’s the order Blash drew them out of the blender.

Posted by Steve in SE MI on 11/14/16 at 02:33 PM ET

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personally think that Larkin does not need a good center to play with. He pretty much makes plays by using his speed and skill

Yes and he has been doing that for awhile.

Blashill is way over his head and KH must be getting on into Dementia territory.

The rest of the league will get a good laugh watching the Wings wither away

 

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 11/14/16 at 02:42 PM ET

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The Wings don’t have the cap space to accommodate Vanek’s contract as well as Mantha and Bertuzzi’s contracts. Those moves will have nothing to do with merit and everything to do with cap management or the lack thereof.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 11/14/16 at 01:02 PM ET

Because Ken Holland.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 11/14/16 at 04:25 PM ET

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Because Ken Holland.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 11/14/16 at 03:25 PM ET

Again, they actually do have the space—it would just entail sending the worst players on the team to the AHL, which requires taking the risk that they’ll be picked up on waivers.

Remember, all offseason when people complained about the Miller and Ott signings, we were told they didn’t matter because they could be buried.

...well…

that means they can be f’ing buried.

Posted by captaineclectic on 11/14/16 at 04:27 PM ET

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Posted by captaineclectic on 11/14/16 at 03:27 PM ET

Won’t happen. Because Ken Holland.
When are the Ilitch’s going to wake up to the mess he’s created?

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 11/14/16 at 07:57 PM ET

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Won’t happen. Because Ken Holland.
When are the Ilitch’s going to wake up to the mess he’s created?

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 11/14/16 at 06:57 PM ET

Obviously.  But let’s not humor the idea that it’s because of the cap.  It demonstrably, factually, unarguably, is not.

Posted by captaineclectic on 11/14/16 at 09:53 PM ET

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The Wings don’t have the cap space to accommodate Vanek’s contract as well as Mantha and Bertuzzi’s contracts. Those moves will have nothing to do with merit and everything to do with cap management or the lack thereof.

Exactly what I thought before scrolling down to your comment. With the Red Wings Cap situation, it is what it is unfortunately. confused

Posted by bigfrog on 11/14/16 at 10:14 PM ET

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Exactly what I thought before scrolling down to your comment. With the Red Wings Cap situation, it is what it is unfortunately.

Posted by bigfrog on 11/14/16 at 09:14 PM ET

Except that it isn’t true.

Posted by captaineclectic on 11/14/16 at 10:20 PM ET

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Glendening on the second line is about the clearest tacit admission a team can make that what Larionov said is true more than ever: this team does not have a power forward.

Or, in fairness in Abby it has, at best, one.

Helm in the top six last year sort of screamed the same thing.

If you need guys like Helm and Glendening to fill in as net-front guys on the PP, or “piano-movers” in the top six, or now: in a desperate attempt to get someone on a scoring line to go to the net….

But Ken Holland says power forwards are impossible to find, just like top-three D.

Forgive me for the football comparison, but it’s almost like a defense drafting or signing no linebackers and then continually trying to force safeties and cornerbacks to play that role.

As for Kronner, he’s a proud guy and has been a very good Red Wing for a long time.
I admire how he tried to fill in for Nick, Rafalski and Stuart all at once. But it sounds more and more like he’s got his own version of Dan Cleary knee. Obviously conditions differ and I’m no doctor. But the main difference right now seems to be Kronner was still expected to be, at-worst, a top-four D - a key player. Past a certain point, it doesn’t matter how hard you work, or how gritty you are, or how many rest breaks you take - if you can’t keep up and aren’t as strong on your skates it’s hard to contribute.

Posted by Lefty30 on 11/15/16 at 03:34 AM ET

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