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One more Red Wings-Canucks thing…The league agrees with Howard…

Updated at 8:10 PM w/ Kerry Fraser talking about the goal: The points of controversy during the Detroit Red Wings’ 4-2 loss to the Vancouver Canucks involved a hit for which Niklas Kronwall was neither fined nor suspended and a goal after which Jimmy Howard was not penalized for punching one Jannik Hansen, but just when you thought we were going to put the controversy behind us, ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun (via RedWingsFeed) reports that the league agrees with Howard’s, ahem, position on Hansen’s fall and Alexander Edler’s subsequent 4-1 goal:

Upon further review, am told league believes Jannik Hansen goal should NOT have counted last night.
League’s feeling is that Jimmy Howard didn’t have a chance to make a save. Not worth a penalty to Van but should have been no goal.
When I say Hansen goal, of course I meant Hansen crashing into Howard and Edler scoring.

Update: TSN’s Kerry Fraser agrees that the goal should not have counted, too—but he’s no fan of Kronwall’s hit:

There are a couple of things at play here to determine if the goal scored by Alexander Edler should be allowed to stand. The first element to consider is if the referee, positioned along the goal line, determined that the attempted stick check by Henrik Zetterberg on the initial puck carrier, Jannik Hansen caused the Vancouver player to lose an edge and crash into Detroit net minder, Jimmy Howard.

If that were to be the case then rule 69.1 could apply to allow the goal to stand which states; “If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for the purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.”

Since Zetterberg did not push, shove or body check Hansen the only remaining alternative here would be if the referee deemed that Zetterberg had fouled the Vancouver player. Hansen was clearly within all criteria limits for a penalty shot to be assessed if it was determined that he was fouled from behind at this point.

There was no immediate reaction or arm raised by the referee to signal a penalty as Zetterberg reached with his stick while Hansen cut hard to the net and ultimately lost his edge and fell, sliding into Jimmy Howard as this video demonstrates. There should not have been a penalty to Zetterberg for his stick reach as contact, if any, was minimal at best and did not cause Hansen to lose an edge. The contact initiated by Hansen’s fall however, drove Howard deep into his net and definitely impaired Jimmy’s ability to defend his goal. The only signal made by the referee was pointing into the net to verify the scoring of a legal goal when Alexander Elder followed up on the play and put the rebound past both Hansen and Howard.

My call on this (and what I believe should have taken place) is incidental contact of the goalkeeper ruled when Hansen blew a tire and had no ability to avoid the Detroit goalkeeper. The resulting goal should have immediately been waved off and no penalty assessed to Hansen.

Vancouver scored this shorthanded goal with Ryan Kesler serving a minor penalty for roughing after being clocked by a Niklas Kronwall charge that went unpenalized if not undetected. Kronwall with back turned, left his feet prior to impact and went nuclear, vaulting up and into Kesler along the sidewall.

Fraser also goes to some length to state that he thinks Tomas Holmstrom’s “sneaky,” too.

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MsRedWinger's avatar

Yeah, thanks a lot to “the league,” now that it’s too late to make a difference in the outcome of the game.


Posted by MsRedWinger from the State where Tigers roam in the Spring on 12/22/11 at 08:01 PM ET

cs6687's avatar

Kronwall can leave his feet all he wants as long as he doesn’t go at the head. That’s the lesson I get. How he continues to avoid any discipline is a joke.

Posted by cs6687 on 12/22/11 at 08:22 PM ET

Michiru Kaioh's avatar

I’m glad the league at least acknowledged it though. It’s a refreshing change…the result was never going to change, but I’m pacified and hopeful that the acknowledgment of the mistake means a decreased chance of it happening again.

Posted by Michiru Kaioh on 12/22/11 at 08:43 PM ET

MsRedWinger's avatar

Why are these Pens fans whining about a Canucks game?  Weird.

Posted by MsRedWinger from the State where Tigers roam in the Spring on 12/22/11 at 08:46 PM ET

ChowYunCat's avatar

Malkin avoiding discipline in the SCF is a joke.  Kronwall’s hit even Kesler said was clean.

Posted by ChowYunCat on 12/22/11 at 10:24 PM ET


Because they’re bitter that Detroit is still a better run organization that didn’t only become good through top 5 drafts for 5 years in a row. As a result they feel the need to bash the wings because of a period 30 years ago when the wings management didn’t care and they stank.
That and they’re jealous of 4 cups in the last 15 years.

I believe the phrase is “Haterz gonna hate.”

Posted by teldar on 12/22/11 at 10:33 PM ET


I really dislike that extra shove Hansen gave Lidstrom after he got up to celebrate.

Posted by Ladislav from Vancouver on 12/22/11 at 10:56 PM ET

bezukov's avatar

Fraser also goes to some length to state that he thinks Tomas Holmstrom’s “sneaky,” too.

Yea Kerry, we know.

Posted by cs6687 on 12/22/11 at 05:22 PM ET

Your team has gotten plenty of breaks over the past couple of years my friend.  So why don’t you drop it already?

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 12/23/11 at 12:39 AM ET

Down River Dan's avatar

So much for stocking the “War Room” mini fridge with Molson XXX & Crown Royal.

Posted by Down River Dan on 12/23/11 at 12:51 AM ET


It’s always been my opinion that the ref behind the net is in a very poor position to call goalie interference.  Primarily he is watching the puck.  All the refs want to make the emphatic goal signal the second it crosses the line.  Looking down at the puck, you can’t really be watching for goalie interference.  And the back ref probably is unwilling to call it because he defers to the ref closer to the play.

Therefore, the war room should be able to call goals back if they see goalie interference.

Posted by Jerry on 12/23/11 at 02:50 AM ET

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