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On the Wings’ possible trade deadline moves and some other stuff

This rumor popped up a few days ago, and it still has me scratching my head, so while I start to get up to half-speed (more on that in a little bit), let's take a gander at the Fourth Period's source-less and author-less rumor about the Red Wings' potential pursuit of a top-four defenseman--amidst an article regarding possible Vancouver Canucks facelifts:

Canucks defenseman Alexander Edler has been dangled as trade bait since the off-season, when Gillis tried to move him around the NHL Draft. Edler, however, now has a no-trade clause and must approve any deal the team tries to make.

With a $5 million annual salary cap hit, Edler isn't a major financial burden and several teams have expressed an interest in acquiring him.

The Detroit Red Wings have been long linked to Edler, and whispers around the NHL suggest the two teams continue to discuss a deal that could also involved Wings veteran Johan Franzen.

Franzen, 34, is in year five or an 11-year, $43.5 million contract, and carries a $3.954 cap hit. While he's making $5 million in actual salary this season through the 2015-16 campaign, his salary drops to $3.5 million in 2016-17, $2 million in 2017-18 and $1 million in the last two years of his contract.

I read this and thought, "Did you guys get the memo? The Wings wanted to draft Alex Edler with the 97th pick in the 2004 draft and then they planned on taking someone no one but Hakan Andersson had seen in Franzen with their next pick. Regrettably, the Canucks had spotted Edler, and they grabbed him with their fourth-round pick, 91st overall.

There's no doubt that the Red Wings' cap situation (Capgeek suggests that the Wings can add as much as $3.039 million in salary to the mix in a trade, and that number will increase a bit as the March 5th trade deadline nears) means that the Wings--assuming that they make any trade deadline move at all--would have to shed nearly equal salary to whatever or whoever they add.

Given Ken Holland's consistency of statements regarding the Wings' belief that Johan Franzen's salary cap hit delivers significant bang for the team's buck in a 25-goal-scorer for $3.95 million, and given that the "next wave" of Wings forward prospects (save Sheahan and Jurco) remain somewhat undersized (it's the "second wave," the players who are 3-5 years away as opposed to 1-3 years away, that are both big and skilled), I just don't see the Wings moving the frustrating Mule.

"And, and perhaps moreover," as I like to say, it is incredibly rare to see a team moving a top-four defenseman without demanding a defenseman in return. I simply can't fathom the Canucks subtracting Edler without receiving a defenseman as part of a compensatory package, and a defensive corps of Kevin Bieksa, Jason Garrison, Chris Tanev, Raphael Diaz and Yannick Weber, minus Edler, isn't exactly stellar.

If there is any truth to this rumor, the Wings would have to move a defenseman or two Vancouver's way--think Kyle Quincey, Jakub Kindl or even Brendan Smith (given the growth of Adam Almquist, Xavier Ouellet, Alexey Marchenko, Ryan Sproul, etc. etc., Smith's no longer untouchable)--and would have to move a prospect as well, all assuming that the Canucks are willing to move Edler (the Canucks have a similar amount of deadline space to the Wings' cap-add status, and unlike the Wings, who have no cap space at present as they're up to the cap to spend LTIR space, the Canucks have $561,000 or so in free cap space).

The sticky wickets in any possible Wings deadline deal--and any deal for any defenseman--involve the fact that the Wings probably don't want to move a top prospect (try a second-tier guy as opposed to a Mantha or Jarnkrok) and the fact that a Wings team that's going to be battling for a wild card spot until the final days of the regular season is not going to move a 1st-round pick that might become a draft-lottery-eligible pick if the Wings miss the playoffs.

Those factors lead me to believe that, ultimately, the Wings may more realistically be considering swapping out one four-to-six-slot defenseman for another who they believe is a little more reliable, but I just can't see the Wings giving up a Jurco, Sheahan, Mantha or Jarnkrok as well as a roster player, never mind a combination of the two and a first-round pick (and that's apparently what the Canucks were asking for Edler last summer, according to TSN's Insiders) for someone to give some top-minute relief to the overburdened Niklas Kronwall and Jonathan Ericsson while providing some secondary defensive scoring.

At this point, unless the Wings are particularly keen on adding a net-front presence like Steve Ott, I do not believe that the team has much interest in adding a forward.

Darren Helm's offensive flourish has given way to indications that he is in fact the Mike Babcock-deemed best third-line center in the league and not the best second-line center in the making, Joakim Andersson seems to be losing his spot to Riley Sheahan and Luke Glendening, and with Pavel Datsyuk looking like he does today for Russia, at 70% of skating capacity, the Wings need to figure out what Stephen Weiss can given them in the #2 center's slot before either keeping him or trying to move that $5 million salary this summer, when the cap goes back up to $70-ish million (again, he's not eligible for a compliance buy-out as he was signed after the third lockout).

Down the stretch, especially given that the Wings will be nuzzled right up against the cap when/if Weiss and Franzen return, I don't know how the hell the team keeps all of Sheahan, Jurco and Glendening up here while accommodating the 23-man roster limit and the bounds of the salary cap (demoting Daniel Cleary and his $1.75 million under-35 deal would provide negligible relief and I don't see the Wings waiving Bertuzzi), but we can all see that at least Sheahan (no longer waiver-exempt) and Glendening will be playing in Detroit next season, and Jurco won't be far behind...

And, as so many have stated, of all the Wings' unrestricted free agents-to-be (Cleary, Bertuzzi, Mikael Samuelsson, Kyle Quincey, Patrick Eaves, Jonas Gustavsson and Daniel Alfredsson), it's incredibly likely that only Alfredsson and/or Gustavsson will be invited back given the displays made by Sheahan, Jurco and Glendening, as well as the fact that defenseman Adam Almquist is no longer waiver-exempt next season.

I'm just glad that I'm not the person who has to decide what the hell to do in terms of being cap-handcuffed, 23-man-roster handcuffed, and having to worry about Pavel Datsyuk's health as well as the Wings' status as well as the 4 non-roster-emergency call-up limit after the trade deadline and prior to whenever the Grand Rapids Griffins' playoff run ends, all while more likely than not having to tell Sheahan, Jurco and Glendening, "You'll be here next year."

That's a "long story long" spiel, but I'm curious as to what you believe the Wings will do at the trade deadline, if anything.

Given the Wings' tenuous playoff footing and the fact that the team's 1st-round pick isn't going anywhere, I believe that the Wings will perhaps pursue a depth defenseman, but unless they can engineer a deal that strengthens their blueline without giving up a near-untouchable prospect, I don't see them adding a top-four guy until the summer.

The pool of prospective unrestricted free agent defensemen isn't pretty, but the buyout market could change that, and the Wings will have the kind of cap space necessary to pull off a meaningful-addition trade this summer, too.

As for me?

This is my first day back after missing a month and a half thanks to the concussion I sustained during my Winter Classic-day accident (and the damn car, which was supposed to be fixed yesterday, is making a weird rumble, so I have to take it back to the repair shop this morning), and I feel much better but still not like myself. Headaches and fatigue persist and writing isn't coming easily, so...

I'll give 'er my best, but for the present moment, TMR at half-speed on all fronts--Olympic, prospect-related and "at home"--is what's going to have to suffice. I'm just glad to be able to contribute in some sort of meaningful way again. It's been too long and it's been a really shitty "vacation."

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First thing is: Edler’s stock has probably slid since last summer. Team isn’t that bad but he’s -23. And that’s with a new, defensive-minded coach taking over.

Even still, Edler’s not worth what Vancouver was asking. He’s a low-to-medium-end #2, at best. As a #3 with the Wings, paired with DeKeyser, that could be a nice pair.

I can’t imagine the Wings have anything they could part with that Vancouver would want, though. Unless they move Franzen….

Almquist is intriguing but his size is a huge concern. Is he as good of a puck mover as Rafalski? Before his knees and back were bad, Rafalski was functional positionally and that kept him out of trouble most of the time. Is Almquist that good positionally? Can Almquist overcome the huge size disadvantage? Can he add weight and strength? If I were the Wings, I’d try to move him. I think Marchenko and Oulette are ready by next year. Sproul will be ready in 2015-2016 (after two full years in the AHL). I expect Backman in GR next year. So where does Almquist fit in? I think there are too many Dmen and Holland has to cut one or two loose while they still have value.

In a general sense, I wouldn’t mind seeing Kenny swap some prospects rather than roster moves this year. Consolidate some of these decent prospects into something more potent. For example, could they move Almquist, Ferraro, and Janmark to get a higher-end scorer or defenseman back? It would be a shame to see these guys run out of options and then leave for nothing, especially if they end up in the NHL on a different team.

Posted by VitoLambruski on 02/13/14 at 09:29 AM ET

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I highly doubt the Franzen thing is legitimate, but if it is, this would be a great trade. Sorry Mule… you’re partially a victim of your own inconsistency, and partially a victim of unfortunate injury circumstances.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 02/13/14 at 09:44 AM ET

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The Wings do NOT have $3+ million of deadline space available.  Yes, they have it TODAY, but they won’t have it as soon as Weiss is activated off LTIR unless Franzen goes on LTIR.  If everyone is healthy, the Wings STILL have to waive Patrick Eaves, as they would be over the cap.

Posted by jkm2011 on 02/13/14 at 10:14 AM ET

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I have to agree that, at this point, if the Canucks were willing to take Mule in trade for Edler, I would not be upset.  I like Franzen personally, I love what he did for the team for a few years there, but I question his present, and long-term, value.  I mean, has he really been missed in the line up of late?

In addition to Pav, who is probably aggravating that knee issue over in Sochi by playing when he shouldn’t, what about Z?  The news about his back acting up again is more than a little troubling. 

Should Pav and Z both remain hobbled the rest of the season (hockey gods forbid one or both should be forced to retire), I would MUCH rather see Glendening, Sheahan and Jurco kept around than to see Cleary, Bert and Sammy returned to the line up. It’s time the Wings started really focusing on their future, which seems bright indeed.

As for Weiss, he’s just a huge question mark for me.  He’s hardly played at all and I really wonder if he will be able to get up to speed at this point enough to make any kind of real contribution.  Guess we’ll see…

I would love to see Alfredsson re-signed for one more year, if he is up for it.  He seems like a good, calm, effective veteran presence who, in addition to being able to score, is an excellent set up guy.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 02/13/14 at 10:31 AM ET

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Even still, Edler’s not worth what Vancouver was asking. He’s a low-to-medium-end #2, at best. As a #3 with the Wings, paired with DeKeyser, that could be a nice pair.

It depends on the team, I suppose. If Edler were a Red Wing he’d immediately become our 2nd best defenseman.

Posted by godblender on 02/13/14 at 11:17 AM ET

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First thing is: Edler’s stock has probably slid since last summer. Team isn’t that bad but he’s -23. And that’s with a new, defensive-minded coach taking over.

Posted by VitoLambruski

And just to emphasize Vito’s point, Edler’s +/- rating is the same as the rating of Quincey, Kindl and Smith combined. As much as everyone (including myself) rags on the defensive play of those three, imagine having one guy who’s as great a defensive liablitity as that entire group (statistically speaking, of course).

Look, I’ve wanted Franzen out of here for two years now. But not even I would trade his floater ass for Edler (who still has five more years on his $5M/per contract). The Wings already have a potential albatros contract of (nearly) $5M/per on their hands in Weiss. With all of the talent in minors, why take a chance on adding another?

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 02/13/14 at 11:29 AM ET

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On that list of UFA-defensemen I see quite a few I would like, but I can’t really see us getting them here:

Niskanen: Pittsburgh will want to keep this guy and who wouldn’t want to be wanted by Pittsburgh. He’ll get a healthy raise and stay put

Nikitin: Has blossomed by leaving St. Louis and has a home. At first they wanted him to give them offense and he gave them offense. The last two years they’ve been asking him to focus on killing penalties and protecting his goalie, and he’s given them that. Columbus isn’t Pittsburgh so he may want to venture out and see what he can get, but I don’t imagine we’d want to pay more than Columbus would (we’d want him for $3.5m tops and he’ll get better offers than that I think.

Meszaros is looking okay, but not $5.5m-okay(his salary this year). Someone will give him a solid contract between $4m-$5m but I sure hope it isn’t us.

Belov might be good, but in all honesty I can’t tell from the few times I’ve watched Edmonton and liked what little I saw. If the Red Wings think he’s okay I’ll trust their judgement but I can’t foresee Belov being given a 4-5yr contract to be a part of our top-4.

I don’t have any patience for people who talk about Orpik or Girardi… but are going to get overpaid and both are showing symptoms of a premature decline in abilities.

Posted by alwaysaurie on 02/13/14 at 11:33 AM ET

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Posted by godblender on 02/13/14 at 11:17 AM ET

I’m ranking him across the league. On some teams, he might be a #1 guy. But for a good team with a Cup chance, even if it is an outside Cup chance, I don’t think Edler can be the #2 guy (unless your team has 4 or 5 really good but not great defensemen). Otherwise, Edler is a high-end #3 or a decent #2. Maybe I’m being harsh. Just never thought he was that great…..then again, when a defenseman is not noticeable, that might be the best compliment you can give him.

Posted by VitoLambruski on 02/13/14 at 11:37 AM ET

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I say keep the dialogue open with Vancouver, regardless. Gillis has been fleeced on a few deals so far, so maybe Kenny can get his mojo back by cutting a deal with this guy. Edler for Mule is not a bad deal, as long as the Wings come out even, or better with regards to the salary cap after it’s done. It would obviously have to involve multiple players to make that happen. My guess is Kindl or Quincey with low picks or prospects coming back. As much as I’m not a fan of Smith’s overall play, his potential upside is too high for a deal like this. Kindl and Quincey are known commodities…it’s easier to assess their value at this point.

Edler is also injury prone, unfortunately, but he’s got a cannon of a shot and a real mean streak that the Wings could really use. There would be risks for both teams, so I can see this deal happening - and you might as well do it while The Canucks are in a death spiral, because it may increase your chances of getting a better deal done.

Posted by DrD on 02/13/14 at 12:07 PM ET

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Given Ken Holland’s consistency of statements regarding the Wings’ belief that Johan Franzen’s salary cap hit delivers significant bang for the team’s buck in a 25-goal-scorer for $3.95 million

That works both ways and could up his perceived value in a trade scenario.

I love Franzen when he’s angry and fired up. But that’s becoming more rare these days, and with his head issues, could be just plain gone now. I’d rather have a guy who works hard every shift and nets a 45-50 pts a season than a guy who nets 50-55 pts floating around the ice. At least his teammates would know what to expect from shift to shift.

Posted by awould on 02/13/14 at 12:52 PM ET

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I’ll take you at 60 per cent, George. How does a defenseman lose it that fast? I can’t see it. Edler is worth going after and the Wings need him. They can sacrifice a bit, definitely in quantity, and hopefully not too much quality.

Posted by manitobaredwingfan on 02/13/14 at 07:38 PM ET

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