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Here's your 11:44 AM Wings trade deadline update:

MLive's Ansar Khan said, "Hello"

Nothing happening on #RedWings trade front. Doubtful they'll make move, but things can change before 3. Morning skate in Dallas in an hour.

As did the Hockey News's Ryan Kennedy:

Don't expect much from the Red Wings today - it's a quiet deadline in Detroit (lack of cap space a factor)

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“...which isn’t a bad thing”

You got that right!  #LetsGoSilence

Posted by The Meal from Longmont, CO on 02/29/16 at 12:17 PM ET

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Don’t expect much from the Red Wings today —OR THIS SPRING

Fixed it.

Posted by captaineclectic on 02/29/16 at 01:04 PM ET

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That’s a good thing. Holland’s last two trades where Holland gave prospects for broken merchandise:

This season: Mattias Janmark 13 goals. calle jarnkrok 12 goals.  What are the Wings in Scoring? 22nd.

Holland needs to retire.

Posted by damndog from The Eastside of Detroit on 02/29/16 at 01:20 PM ET

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Holland should have done the right thing and moved into an EVP/advisory role to make room for Nill or Yzerman as GM when the Illitches asked.

Posted by Uncle Rico on 02/29/16 at 01:43 PM ET

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I agree Rico.

Posted by damndog from The Eastside of Detroit on 02/29/16 at 01:50 PM ET

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There is no reason to not trade Quincey for whatever you can get.  There is no reason to not at least shop Howard.  They are likely to lose at least 2 of Sproul, Jensen or Ouelette in the offseason.  They signed Smith instead of giving those guys a shot and they are scratching him for no reason.  In fact, he has probably been the Wings best D-man this year.  It is really hard to succeed in the salary cap era with this horrible roster management.

Posted by jb61973 on 02/29/16 at 01:51 PM ET

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Posted by jb61973 on 02/29/16 at 01:51 PM ET

Quincey has more value to Detroit being a top our guy this year than they could get through the trade market.

Howard has no business being moved during the season. He’ll be much easier to move over the summer when he has higher value and teams can assess their cap situations.

I don’t get the logic behind trying to move these two right now.

Posted by jpellek on 02/29/16 at 02:04 PM ET

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You are losing Quincey after this year anyway.  He is NOT a top 4 defenseman in this league. Kindl got a 6th, you could get SOMETHING, ANYTHING for him.  That would also force them to play Smith, the team’s best d-man this year.  This org has a huge blind spot when it comes to Ericsson and continues to play him a ton. Meanwhile, we have three guys in the AHL out of waivers next year and have no idea if they can play.  The free pass given to KH is unbelievable. 

  Howard should have been traded last summer.  That said, I would shop now to see if you can get anything at all for him.  If not, then keep him but paying 5.5 million dollars for your backup goalie is a recipe for disaster. 

I Cannot wait to see the ridiculous contract they give to Darren Helm this summer. Meanwhile they traded Jarnkrok, Hanmark and let Nestarsil go for Nothing!  That is malpractice.

Posted by jb61973 on 02/29/16 at 02:14 PM ET

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Posted by jb61973 on 02/29/16 at 02:14 PM ET

Quincey is a top four man with the Red Wings, which is why he’s not being moved. As I said, he has more value to Detroit right now than he does to other teams.

Trading Howard last summer is revisionist history. He was very good at the beginning of the season. Imagine the Holland vilifying if he had moved Howard and Mrazek had struggled this year? He was right in keeping Jimmy around to see what would happen.

Holland doesn’t get a free pass from myself or anyone here. He’s made numerous terrible decisions the past 4-5 seasons which has hurt the organization. But, moving guys who are holding roster spots for draft picks is not what the Wings do.

Posted by jpellek on 02/29/16 at 02:24 PM ET

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There is no reason to not trade Quincey for whatever you can get. 

Posted by jb61973 on 02/29/16 at 01:51 PM ET

Reason = Mike Illitch

 

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 02/29/16 at 02:29 PM ET

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Short term success vs long term success. That’s the issue for the next 1/2 hour.

Quincey should be moved. He’s a quality 2nd pairing defensive d-man. However, that role going forward should be DK’s considering Quincey will be hitting UFA on a team with cap issues. The Wings aren’t in a position to go past the 2nd round (be the optimist)—so for the long-term success of the franchise: trade him.

Helm same situation, but the guy taking his job is AA. Given Helm’s injury history this should be even more of a no brainer to trade him.

Will doing these deals prevent the Wings from making the playoffs—-probably not given the issue is goal scoring and PP not PK and defense. But lets face it the streak is pretty much meaningless to fans here. They want deep playoff runs not losing in the 1st round.

Posted by d ca on 02/29/16 at 02:33 PM ET

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It is what they SHOULD do if they want to win Stanley Cups.  Operating the way they have will probably keep the stupid playoff streak alive though, so this is what we get.  Quincey should not be playing top 4 minutes for the Wings.  It is not revisionist at all.  You have to take chances sometimes.  Holland refuses to take a risk.  Ever. 

Look at how the Blackhaws operate. Trade Byfuglien, trade Leddy.  Trade Saad.  They have identified the core guys and pay them and at every other position they play younger guys who are paid significantly less.  That is how you have to operate with the Salary Cap.  They have 2 10 million dollar guys, Hossa, Keith and Seabrook and they STILL have enough cap room to do what they need to do.  Letting guys overripen worked before the salary cap.  It doesn’t work now.  You cannot afford to lose cheap, young players under team control and play older higher played players who are no better than the young guys.

Posted by jb61973 on 02/29/16 at 02:33 PM ET

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Quincey is a 2nd pairing d-man (top 4 d-man) on most teams in the league…there might be a few exceptions but not many. He’s worth at least a 4th/ conditional #3 as a rental.

So sick about hearing how Bowman does his job there….what tank for 4-5 years get a Norris and Hart guy plus another max player then have all kinds of cap overages so you have to tear apart the team after a Cup and no plan of what to do with a cap that stays the same or goes down other than lose players on waivers or 1/2 what they are worth.  C’mon man that not the organization to want your GM to operate like. Their core was acquired by tanking for 1/2 a decade. Look at the guys they gave away….hint it was because they drafted so high they got those guys. They were the Edmonton Oilers before the Oilers became lottery favorites every year.

Posted by d ca on 02/29/16 at 02:45 PM ET

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There is no reason to not at least shop Howard.

There’s one reason: he has zero value right now.

Good teams don’t need to pick up a $5M goalie with several years left on his contract and bad teams have no reason to pick up a $5M goalie with several years left on his contract at the deadline so that they can pay part of his salary after they’ve already given up.

Do you think that Calgary or carolina are looking to take on salary right now, after they’ve given up on the season and sold off their impending UFAs?

No.  Of course not.  They’ll play out the rest of the season with the guys they have and see how much they need a $5M goalie with several years left on his contract.

There is no reason at all to shop Howard right now.

Posted by Garth on 02/29/16 at 02:45 PM ET

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Posted by jb61973 on 02/29/16 at 02:33 PM ET

Let’s look how the Hawks operate shall we…. from 1997 to 2007, a decade, the Blackhawks qualified for the playoffs once, they were a non-factor cellar dweller. This gave them multiple top 10 picks, allowed them to trade talent for more prospects and picks, etc. that gave them this wealth of talent to trade over the last decade, that they spun for more talent and picks. Eventually this will catch up with them, when their core ages out, but for now, they’re the “model” franchise. Same with LA, same with Tampa, when you bottom out hard, you surge up higher.

So if you want to “Be like the Hawks” are you ready to tank it for 10 years?

I know one person who is not, Mike Illitch, and he signs the checks, therefore no sell off.

Days like today, are when they Hey Hey in the Hockeytown really gets pretty stinky…

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 02/29/16 at 02:47 PM ET

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Their core was acquired by tanking for 1/2 a decade.

So?  Stop living in the past and look what he’s doing NOW.  He has a very good team and he is willing to keep going for the championship.

Not to mention that they haven’t had a good first round pick since 2007.

They built a good team on picks (a decade ago) and then have managed to reload after every one and stay competitive.

Ken Holland rode a good, young team to a Stanley Cup in 2008, then said yes when the best free agent on the market asked to sign in Detroit, then gave up.

Try to find a reason not to be impressed, but not only has Bowman kept the core together but he’s also made many, many good trades.  Ken Holland likes to cry about how nobody is looking to make Detroit better, but guess what?  NOBODY is trying to help Chicago keep winning championships either, but Bowman is good at not sitting on his ass and doing nothing.

Posted by Garth on 02/29/16 at 02:51 PM ET

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So if you want to “Be like the Hawks” are you ready to tank it for 10 years?

Oh, stop it.  It doesn’t matter how you get good, it’s just that you get good and then how you stay good.

Why is Ken Holland better than Stan Bowman just because he got lucky that a few really late round picks ended up being better than anyone could’ve hoped?

He bought championships for years and has completely failed to adapt to a world in which other teams can spend the exact same money that he can spend.

People want to be like Chicago because Bowman goes after what he wants, generally makes good deals, isn’t an overly loyal softy and figures out how to get good players from other teams while getting good picks/prospects in return AND convincing the other teams to eat salary cap space.  People look at what the Hawks are doing now, to continue actually being successful and a perennial contender.

Posted by Garth on 02/29/16 at 03:00 PM ET

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There’s one reason: he has zero value right now

His value is his cap space.  Maybe you can’t get anyone to take him.  I think they should try.

The Wings had a core of Lidstrom, Zetterberg and Datsyuk.  They have a lot of young talent that regularly does not get the chance to play.  They have done nothing since 2009 to improve this team.

I actually don’t want to hear about a trade today for the Wings because Holland does nothing but make bad trades and sign bad contracts. Where is this team going to be when 40 and 13 retire?

Posted by jb61973 on 02/29/16 at 03:00 PM ET

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I am sorry I didn’t want to see a team tank for 5 years (and be non-competitive for another 5 years) when they had Pav and Z. Chicago is still living off tanking. They can for another 3 years probably, but their then set up to be the Phillies of the NHL again. That’s what winning the draft lottery does (except if you are Edmonton).

Now that they are 38 and 35. It becomes the time that this can be discussed. Maybe it’s a year late, but the goaltending last year extended that window temporarily. That’s my whole point. With the cap, their team (including their NMC/NTC’s) they needed to sell some UFA contracts this deadline. This is the year you set up the new arena’s team.

Maybe I’m not looking far enough with some UFA and expiring Wings contracts (Ekblad is UFA in 2020 right). But every team in history has lost their playoff run at some time….maybe it’s time to reload…but it’s past 3pm so it’s all devil’s advocate now anyways.

Posted by d ca on 02/29/16 at 03:05 PM ET

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I don’t think the Wings should be tanking by the way.  I think that the young guys are better than the old guys that get the lion’s share of the ice time.  Prashanth Iyer from Winging it in Motown tweeted some amazing statistics showing how unproductive Abdelkader is per 60 minutes of ice time.  It is mind boggling that he plays a majority of his ice time with 40 and 13 and has such low production. Also, that contract will kill the Wings in a couple of years. 

Regarding Quincey, I don’t think it makes any sense to keep a UFA unless you are competing for a Stanley Cup.  The Wings are not competing for a cup this year.

Posted by jb61973 on 02/29/16 at 03:12 PM ET

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They have done nothing since 2009 to improve this team.

I actually don’t want to hear about a trade today for the Wings because Holland does nothing but make bad trades and sign bad contracts. Where is this team going to be when 40 and 13 retire?

Posted by jb61973 on 02/29/16 at 03:00 PM ET

They switched their strategy of trading away high picks to acquire pieces to make a run with Z and Dats and developing from within. This is why they won the Calder a few years ago. They also started drafting size instead of just getting the best guy available (mostly undersized lik Frk, Nyquist, and Tatar) and projecting an “Eastern Conference” team. Guys like 6’3 Sheahan, 6’4” Sproul, 6’3” Athanasiou, 6’5” Mantha. and 6’3” Svechnikov.

It wasn’t like they had another choice given their cap though so I do get your point. As far as when 40 and 13 retire…they would hopefully have one of those guys develop to a 1st line guy or use the cap space to go after an UFA. The only other choice is tanking.

Posted by d ca on 02/29/16 at 03:16 PM ET

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