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More Moves Coming For the Red Wings

from Ansar Khan of Mlive,

Nyquist, 24, might be recalled at some point this season. But he can’t come up as a temporary replacement for an injured player; the move must be permanent. That’s because Nyquist will be out of AHL options once he plays two more NHL games and would need to clear waivers to be sent back down.

As it is, the Red Wings will need to make a couple of moves to accommodate the return of defenseman Jonathan Ericsson, who is expected to come off long-term injured reserve and play Friday against the Washington Capitals at Joe Louis Arena.

Jordin Tootoo, who cleared waivers last week, likely will be assigned to Grand Rapids. Patrick Eaves might be waived.

The Red Wings, winless in their past six home games (0-1-5), are tied for 21st in the league in goals per game (2.47). Datsyuk scored both of their goals in Tuesday’s 3-2 overtime loss to Winnipeg. Zetterberg did likewise in Saturday’s 3-2 OT loss to Tampa Bay. This team has gone four games without a goal from any forward not on the top line.

[Red Wings GM Ken] Holland said the solution must come from within.

“That’s it, that’s the team,’’ Holland said. “We’re not the first team in the league to have struggles. There is no hockey store. It’s got to be done internally.’’

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added 5:41pm, from Chuck Pleiness of Red Wings Front,

The Wings simply don’t have a roster spot or salary-cap space to recalled Nyquist.

“It’s complicated,” Holland said.

more, basically the same information as the Khan story, with Holland stating that the Wings would already exceed the salary cap with Tootoo demoted and Ericsson and Smith healthy:

When E and Smitty are healthy, we’re over the cap,” Holland said. “If they are ready, we have to make some moves. We have to make some moves to get cap compliant.”

Ericsson could be ready to play Friday at home against the Washington Capitals. Smith said on Tuesday he should be ready to return sometime this weekend.

Jordin Tootoo has already cleared waivers, but still remains with the team. He’ll likely be assigned to Grand Rapids once Ericsson is activated off long-term injured reserve.

Patrick Eaves, who’s been a healthy scratch four of the last five games, could be the next player on the roster to be waived.

Update: Instead, the Free Press's Helene St. James spoke with Holland about his proposed changes to overtime, as made at yesterday's GM's meetings:

Holland’s quest to make changes is timely — and timeless. The Wings have been grumbling about the post-regulation format since a shootout was instituted coming out of the 2004-05 labor dispute. Detroit and Chicago were the only teams that voted against using a shootout, or skills competition as its sometimes derided, to decide games during the regular season. Sudden-death overtime remains the order of the day come playoffs.

Holland acknowledged today that shootouts, “are staying. We understand fans want a conclusion before going home.” What Holland wants to accomplish — and there was overwhelming support from fellow general managers for a presentation he made — is to extend overtime.

“Overtime is going to be extended by two or three minutes,” Holland told the Free Press. “It’s going to go to either 7 or 8 minutes. My presentation was to stay with four-on-four, but there’s also support for going to three-on-three. Everybody was in agreement to extend trying to decide the game playing hockey versus a shootout.”

The details will be hammered out during March meetings so they can be implemented for next season. Winning teams will still get two points and the losing team, one point. So why the desire to extend overtime? Because it can matter at the end of the regular season. If teams have collected the same number of points after 82 games, the first tiebreaker is regulation and overtime victories. Shootout victories do not count.

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“That’s it, that’s the team,’’ Holland said. “We’re not the first team in the league to have struggles. There is no hockey store. It’s got to be done internally.’’

That’s it?  No “I like our team”?  No “nobody is looking to help us out”?

He’s getting lazy in his laziness…

Posted by Garth on 11/13/13 at 05:34 PM ET

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If that’s it, Ken, then it’s time for Babcock to turn some of the guys who can score loose. And how about - once you clear some of these zombies out - that you bring Tommy Jurco up for a while? Or, I dunno, why is Glendening more valuable to the Wings than Jarnkrok when Jarnkrok is universally listed as our #1 prospect? GIVE HIM A CHANCE UP HERE! WE CAN’T SCORE!!!!

Posted by VitoLambruski on 11/13/13 at 05:52 PM ET

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It’s a good thing Zetterberg and Datsyuk are on pace for 43 and 39 goals this season, respectively. Otherwise this team would drop below Buffalo’s last-place 1.65 goals per game. Yet, despite accounting for 40% of the team’s scoring, they only combine for 3 of 9 GWGs.

Posted by bleep bloop on 11/13/13 at 06:02 PM ET

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Or, I dunno, why is Glendening more valuable to the Wings than Jarnkrok when Jarnkrok is universally listed as our #1 prospect? GIVE HIM A CHANCE UP HERE! WE CAN’T SCORE!!!!

Posted by VitoLambruski on 11/13/13 at 05:52 PM ET

Come on Vito … if you’re going to say something that dumb it’s probably best if you didn’t say anything.

Posted by SK77 on 11/13/13 at 06:10 PM ET

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Kenny Boy and Mikey Boy’s insistence on keeping Danny Boy around has really put this team over a barrel.  Cleary has done nothing to repay them.  Too many bad contracts and redundant players.  Ineffective and undeserving players cannot be moved out.  The prospects’ only hope for getting even a cup of coffee rests with the health of the regulars.  What a fustercluck.
My question is… who’s going to clean up the Country Club?  Will Holland do it or does Chris Ilitch have to?

Posted by joshy207 on 11/13/13 at 06:41 PM ET

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it’s complicated

you mean it’s hard to undue a stupid move?  Well, agreed, I guess.

Hey. Tampa needs help at forward. Why not ship them Franzen and Q for Matt Carle. Bring up Jurco. End the Franzen nightmare.

 

Posted by MoreShoot on 11/13/13 at 06:49 PM ET

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It isn’t a *#$%@& country club. That line’s a bunch of bullshit. Holland and Babcock are generally on the same page personnel-wise, and they both wanted to bring Cleary back. The team *couldn’t* buy out Samuelsson because he magically became unhealthy when the amnesty buyout period was in effect, and in case no one has noticed, there aren’t oodles of trades happening given that the CBC’s Elliotte Friedman estimated that 20 of the NHL’s 30 teams are within $2 million of the cap—and the rest are at or above their budgets. I’m not the Wings’ capologist, so I can’t do cap calculus.

The Wings and every other team knew it’d be tough to deal with the cap going down from $70.2 to $64.3 million, but I don’t think GM’s estimated that everyone would be sitting on their hands as they have.

Those of us who’ve tried to crunch the cap math via http://www.capgeek.com believe that subtracting Tootoo and Eaves *should* give the Wings the roster and cap space to bring up Nyquist, but as Khan and Pleiness point out, once Nyquist’s up, he stays here as his waiver-exempt status goes away in two games. It is *possible* that the Wings’ injuries may have yielded more spending than they’d hoped, and a slight overage.

But the bottom line really is that it’s on the players in the locker room right now to get the job done, and there are no indications that their struggles are due to any sort of “country club” atmosphere. The team played its best game in a dozen or so on Tuesday vs. Winnipeg, but they couldn’t score goals despite dominating possession and control of the puck, minimizing their turnovers and peppering Pavelec with shots. Right now the team’s *results* are lacking, and no one player will provide a magical solution.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 11/13/13 at 06:51 PM ET

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Can we PLEASE stop pretending that Bab’s and Holland’s time with Detroit is NOT over? Can we please admit it’s time to start planning the next era of Red Wings hockey?

Faster, please. We’re not the Buffalo Sabres. Or Toronto. Or Montreal. Or Carolina. Or ...

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 11/13/13 at 07:07 PM ET

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So george you going to admit now that you were wrong all along about the preseason cap overage magically being gone? Your pal holland just admitted it but i guess he’s wrong too eh?

Posted by jkm2011 on 11/13/13 at 07:09 PM ET

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God, it’s like the Stupid Train just pulled into the station.

Posted by SK77 on 11/13/13 at 07:11 PM ET

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People seem much more dramatic than usual this season…so far.

It’s funny, because 30 games from now, if the Wings are firing on all cylinders…no one will say anything bad about Holland or Babcock.

Posted by CrimsonPhoenix on 11/13/13 at 07:12 PM ET

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Come on Vito … if you’re going to say something that dumb it’s probably best if you didn’t say anything.

Posted by some kid on 11/13/13 at 06:10 PM ET

What’s stupid about that? Giving a high-upside center some NHL time for 10 minutes or less for a few games is somehow less desirable than giving Luke Glendening, a low-ceiling, fourth-line-at-best grinder the time instead? Is there a prerequisite for playing on the Wings’ fourth line that the guy has to be extremely limited offensively?

Posted by VitoLambruski on 11/13/13 at 07:18 PM ET

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God, it’s like the Stupid Train just pulled into the station.

Posted by some kid on 11/13/13 at 07:11 PM ET

Your lack of self-esteem is shocking wink

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 11/13/13 at 07:20 PM ET

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People seem much more dramatic than usual this season…so far.

It’s funny, because 30 games from now, if the Wings are firing on all cylinders…no one will say anything bad about Holland or Babcock.

Posted by CrimsonPhoenix on 11/13/13 at 07:12 PM ET

You may be right. Hell, I hope you’re right.

I’ll tell you what: save this post, and on Monday, January 20th, as Detroit hosts St. Louis (30 games from now) we can look back at this and see if you’re right, and I hope you are.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 11/13/13 at 07:24 PM ET

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Posted by VitoLambruski on 11/13/13 at 07:18 PM ET

I know you just read the Red Wings Central list where Jarnkrok is ranked as the Wings’ #1 Prospect—but it’s a PROSPECT List.

From Merriam-Webster: pros·pect noun \ˈprä-ˌspekt\
: the possibility that something will happen in the future

You don’t even have to watch or understand hockey … It gives you the Cliff Notes in the Prospect List (you did read past the #1, right?) that Jarnkrok is having trouble adjusting to the AHL

So you’re asking what’s the problem with bringing Jarnkrok up to the NHL to replace Glendening who is on his way to establishing himself as a useful fourth line center?

Jesus. Shoot me.

Posted by SK77 on 11/13/13 at 07:25 PM ET

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Your lack of self-esteem is shocking

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 11/13/13 at 07:20 PM ET

Hahaha. Fair enough!  LOL

Only thing is, Wings definitely aren’t playing as well as they could and they’re 3 points out of first place with 1/4 of the season done. They’re not peaking at the wrong time like the Avs probably are right now, they’re playing mediocre hockey and have a lot of room for improvement. The sky is not quite yet falling.

Posted by SK77 on 11/13/13 at 07:28 PM ET

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Jesus. Shoot me.

Posted by some kid on 11/13/13 at 07:25 PM ET

Shooting for everybody! cheese

Posted by calquake on 11/13/13 at 07:32 PM ET

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“That’s it, that’s the team,’’ Holland said. “We’re not the first team in the league to have struggles. There is no hockey store. It’s got to be done internally.’’

I don’t even know where to begin.  Is he throwing up his hands, saying “I broke it, you fix it”, or is my understanding that Holland is “internal” not correct?  Jesus, he sounds defeatist and unaccountable.

That single quote gives me more pause than anything he’s uttered in the past two years.

Posted by Mistercristo from Cameron Frye's garage, circa 1987 on 11/13/13 at 08:06 PM ET

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I know you just read the Red Wings Central list where Jarnkrok is ranked as the Wings’ #1 Prospect—but it’s a PROSPECT List.

From Merriam-Webster: pros·pect noun \ˈprä-ˌspekt\
: the possibility that something will happen in the future

You don’t even have to watch or understand hockey … It gives you the Cliff Notes in the Prospect List (you did read past the #1, right?) that Jarnkrok is having trouble adjusting to the AHL …

So you’re asking what’s the problem with bringing Jarnkrok up to the NHL to replace Glendening who is on his way to establishing himself as a useful fourth line center?

Jesus. Shoot me.

Posted by some kid on 11/13/13 at 07:25 PM ET

I am quoting the Hockey’s Future site and the Red Wings Central site as well. Jarnkrok hasn’t had trouble in Grand Rapids. If you read information on Hockey’s Future, they drafted an article recently explaining that even though his point total isn’t dazzling, his game has been outstanding and he is being used in all situations.

You might disagree with my argument but you make it seem like it is the most outlandish, ridiculous thought ever. Yet…...

....you seem to be arguing Glendening has more value to the Wings at this point than Jarnkrok and that he is just a “prospect.” What’s hilarious is that the same lists that say Jarnkrok as the top prospect list Glendening far lower. The Red Wings Central list has Glendening at 10th. Yet you still argue Jarnkrok isn’t a potentially better option, specifically from an offensive standpoint (on a team that desperately needs secondary scoring)?

Do you think the prospect lists are simply a list, in order, of the guys with the most “potential,” regardless of whether they have performed to back that up? The prospect lists are a combination of “what have you done?,” “what have you done for me lately?,” “where have you done it?,” and “what is the player’s ceiling/potential?” Part of your argument seems to limit the list as basically saying “Jarnkrok has the most potential of all guys in the Wings’ system” and the other part of your logic is that “Glendening has proven more at this point and therefore is a better option.”

But overall, for you to dismiss this argument as totally ridiculous is where I take most offense. Disagree with me, fine. But don’t pretend like this idea is totally off base. Especially when the prospect rating lists have Glendening far lower and when it is obvious you haven’t followed Jarnkrok’s progress in Grand Rapids.

Posted by VitoLambruski on 11/13/13 at 08:23 PM ET

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But overall, for you to dismiss this argument as totally ridiculous is where I take most offense. Disagree with me, fine. But don’t pretend like this idea is totally off base. Especially when the prospect rating lists have Glendening far lower and when it is obvious you haven’t followed Jarnkrok’s progress in Grand Rapids.

Posted by VitoLambruski on 11/13/13 at 08:23 PM ET

WTF?

Posted by SK77 on 11/13/13 at 08:28 PM ET

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Some kid just got Lambruskied!

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 11/13/13 at 08:46 PM ET

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Just say you think Glendening is a better option for reason A, B, C… Instead you throw insults at me as if I suggested they move Jimmy Howard to center. It’s not that ridiculous of an idea so don’t be so revolted by it. Especially when I provide explanation of my reasons and refute your statements. You, in turn, use insults and fail to defend any of your points or debate mine.

Posted by VitoLambruski on 11/13/13 at 09:04 PM ET

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Just say you think Glendening is a better option for reason A, B, C… Instead you throw insults at me as if I suggested they move Jimmy Howard to center. It’s not that ridiculous of an idea so don’t be so revolted by it. Especially when I provide explanation of my reasons and refute your statements. You, in turn, use insults and fail to defend any of your points or debate mine.

Posted by VitoLambruski on 11/13/13 at 09:04 PM ET

Vito, you are new around here I’m guessing.  Hyperbole and exaggeration are common forms of communication as is insult and attack.  Try not to take it personally, anybody can be a tough guy on the internet. wink

Posted by calquake on 11/13/13 at 09:10 PM ET

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Yeah, calquake, but I want blood now… smile

At least debate me. I’ve been around message boards for a long time. But if someone is going to call me out and fail to provide any actual argument, I’m going to force the issue

Posted by VitoLambruski on 11/13/13 at 09:19 PM ET

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Decisions have consequences. Management could have bought out Sammy this summer, as he was medically cleared as fit to play by the Detroit medical staff prior to the buyout deadline. They made the conscious choice not to buy him out due to the threat of a potential grievance filing. How bad could that have possibly been when compared to the roster situation today? What would have been wrong with making him file?

I get that this path was not the Red Wing way of dealing with players; however, his agent likely backed them into a corner with the grievance threat. The bluff should have been called. The consequence is the roster inflexibility his $3 cap hit is causing. Of course, we don’t even need to discuss how he should never have been re-signed in the first place….

Posted by Chip4Pips on 11/13/13 at 09:19 PM ET

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Posted by Chip4Pips on 11/13/13 at 09:19 PM ET

It’s amazing how crystal clear hindsight is.  Have you ever made mistakes in your life?  Should we all judge you based on them?  The Wings are where they are right now.  I’m content to wait and see how the season finishes before lashing out at management.  Doesn’t mean I’m happy or content with what is going on but I think they’ve earned the right to see how things develop.

Posted by calquake on 11/13/13 at 09:28 PM ET

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Let’s just say that my real world day job is all about weighing risk versus return and cutting mistakes quick and letting profits run, so I probably get judged based on my mistakes more than most. Wings management should be no different. My interpretation of the “It’s complicated” quip is that they know they have made errors; I am hopeful that they will get them corrected.

Posted by Chip4Pips on 11/13/13 at 09:40 PM ET

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Let’s just say that my real world day job is all about weighing risk versus return and cutting mistakes quick and letting profits run,

Which certainly takes the human element out of it.

My interpretation of the “It’s complicated” quip is that they know they have made errors; I am hopeful that they will get them corrected.

Can’t argue with that.  We all want to see the Wings succeed.  Having lived through the “Dead Wings” era I am more appreciative of what we have now.  Based on the farm system the future looks very promising.  No transition goes smoothly without bumps and hiccups.

Posted by calquake on 11/13/13 at 09:50 PM ET

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I get a huge kick out of people suggesting that just bringing more kids up faster is the solution, like it’s just something they stumbled on after taking a long, mystical sojourn to the top of a remote, snowcapped peak and discovering an ancient scroll upon which such wisdom was scribed by prophets of yore.

News flash, duckies: the kids in the system aren’t that great.  Is Tatar blowing anybody’s skirt’s up?  Smith?  Kindl?  Lashoff?  No.  Of course not.

This idea that calling up Nyquist is in any way a superior solution to having Cleary up or Sammy or moving Abdelkader up or anything else is woefully uninformed of current events as well as ignorant of history.  Nyquist wasn’t wildly better than any of the upper half guys from GR who are already here and not exactly pooping fireworks.  Lashoff’s just here as an injury replacement.  Once the d is healthy he’ll go back to being the 7th/8th dman he is.

This team moved out Fil, Brunner and Colaiacovo while adding Dekeyser, Alfredsson and Weiss.  We’re not dealing with some massive revamp of the roster which ought to require dumping the whole season so we can watch Nyquist score a point every 4 games.

That’s why people dismiss your position, Vito.  It’s been heard before and we’ve all seen that strategy go down in a freaking Zeppelin fire for both other teams and in Detroit before.  As a guy 2+ years older with way more NA experience Nyquist barely outproduced Filppula at the AHL level… and Filppula wasn’t a very effective NHL scorer.  What in the world has happened to make you think Nyquist would be a revelation at the NHL level either considering he’s a far less two-way fit player than Filppula was?

Going from the AHL to the NHL isn’t a little jump, it’s a huge jump.  Going from the SEL or wherever else you’re trying to convince yourself some game-changer of a player is isn’t just a huge jump, it’s a monumental one.

It’d literally make ten times as much sense to try and talk Lidstrom out of his PJs for a half a year, and that’s a really, really stupid idea.

What would have been wrong with making him file?

Well, for starters, if they lost they’d get hit with a circumvention penalty in addition to getting hit with the cap space penalty, assuming for the moment the process wouldn’t require them to carry the cap space anyway until the matter was resolved one way or the other.  Because, you know, I just love having the Wings’ fate in the hands of Gary Bettman’s decision-making apparatus.  That’s always a joy.

Secondly, there are a few better options available that I would have liked to see.  Like, say, playing Sammy until he got hurt and then LTIR’ing him rather than scratching him or not playing him much.  That way either he plays well and it’s not an issue so they keep him, he plays well and the team can trade him, or he plays poorly and gets dinged.

Thirdly, if anyone thinks having Nyquist up for Sammy is anything resembling a difference-making proposition for the Detroit Red Wings… holy bleep.  a) Nyquist wouldn’t be skating in the top 6 much, if at all.  He didn’t before and this team is actually a little deeper at forward than last years was… and he couldn’t crack them either.  b) As stated earlier, there’s nothing to suggest that even if he did get legit top 6 time (which he wouldn’t), that he’d do anything more with it than Tatar would or Abdelkader did or that Sammy would or that Bert does or that Franzen does or that Alfredsson does or, or, or.

If I had to point to a single failing of the fanbase on this board that most often results in really, really goofy opinions being laid out here it would be this: a consistent and massive overrating of internal prospects, most especially compared to existing NHLers.

I mean, Brendan Smith dominated his position at the AHL level.  Flat-out dominated it… and how bleeping good has he been so far, hmm?  That is how it goes way, way, WAY more often than it goes the other way, where a guy who is good to middling great is able to come up and be just as good to middling great at the next level.

There aren’t any quick fixes sitting in GR.  Not a single one.  Every single fix that matters for this years team is in their locker room right now.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/13/13 at 09:51 PM ET

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The issue with Sammy isn’t that Nyquist would be better on the ice. The issue for me is the utter lack of roster flexibility the Wings have because of his unmovable $3 million cap hit. Wouldn’t it have been nice to be the salary dump location for Smid, or someone else, for example? That’s not an option with Sammy’s contract on the books. Things really open up for Wings management next year in this regard, but right now, this is a real pain.

Posted by Chip4Pips on 11/13/13 at 10:18 PM ET

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If we had attempted to buy out Sammy and been hit with a grievance, wouldn’t it be similar to the same situation we were in with Hudler when he jumped to the KHL a few years back?  In that case, the NHL filed a grievance and we were stuck holding on to his salary space while the case went to arbitration.  By the time it was done, all the good free agents were off the market.

Posted by Hank Scorpio on 11/13/13 at 10:46 PM ET

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Yes, the cap space would have been locked up; the case would have gone to arbitration before the season. However, the Wings didn’t need his salary space to grab UFAs. They had plenty of room for manuever with Flip, et al, coming off the books. This is why I never understood the decision not to attempt the buyout, except to do right by the player.

Posted by Chip4Pips on 11/13/13 at 10:59 PM ET

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I thought Sammy was not technically 100% at buyout time only because I remember him being officially “declared” 100% healthy like a week later or something. It seemed super suspicious at the time. I would think Kenny would have bought him out for sure if he thought he could.

But whatever, all in all, I’m not too worried yet. I mean, we have losing streaks EVERY season, if this is our big slump and we keep snagging single pts out of losses, it’s not too terrible. All the OT losses still feel like losses but those points do add up. We aren’t very far out of first with a ton of season still left.

Really, all that matters is IF we make the playoffs, how healthy we are at that time and how we are playing at that time. All of these roster/cap issues are totally moot, we can bring up and play whoever we want. It’s a new season.

Hell, Danny C can stay healthy, not do a damn thing all year, be a healthy scratch half the season and if he turns it up in the playoffs the way he did last year, his one year deal will still be a steal in my book. I’m still excited to see how things progress here. I would obviously agree some of these crappy contracts are haunting us a bit this season, but they were transitional deals that won’t really hurt us after this season (unless you count Franzen and/or Weiss… but I’m talking Sammy and Tootoo). We still have that last buyout too. We actually are going to have a ton of flexibility come this summer. And I suspect we will probably make the playoffs. I sure wouldn’t bet against us. And what happens after that is a crap shoot. Whoever’s hot basically.

All Babs has done is overachieve. I expect nothing less from him, no matter what lineup he’s dealt.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 11/14/13 at 01:02 AM ET

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The thing about Samuelsson is that they screwed up with his contract and want to get rid of him but can’t and he plays like he knows it. A guy who a few seasons ago scored a bunch of goals playing with the twins has been alternating a roster spot with a pair of fourth-liners. His career averages of 2.6 shots and 0.5 points per game have dropped to 1.6 and 0.1, respectively. If he’s still here in a month he might start playing better, since his number will be his age. That doesn’t mean anything more than any of the rest of this.

If he earned a roster spot and got a few points, even by mistake, he suddenly wouldn’t look so bad. Right now he’s deadwood like a handful of other players who don’t have the same cap hit.

Posted by bleep bloop on 11/14/13 at 01:45 AM ET

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This is why I never understood the decision not to attempt the buyout, except to do right by the player.

People act as if this isn’t motivation in and of itself.  How have the Red Wings drawn free agents in the past?  By being a place that does right by it’s players.  This is the same as the RFA offer sheets in a way; it’s easy to point at it as something you’d like to see them do because it’s easy to ignore the consequences of it from a long-term reputation standpoint.  Teams that sign players to offer sheets probably don’t have as easy a time negotiating trades with the team they tried to “steal” a player from previously (one could argue this is a moot point since KH doesn’t make trades any more, but that’s neither here nor there).

As for the “bring up the #1 prospect” argument?  It’s been touched upon but not directly stated:  Brendan Smith was the #1 prospect in the pipeline for a long time.  He was a higher rated prospect than Nyquist when both were in college, and after.  If you look back a few years, in 2008 Jakub Kindl was a much, much higher rated prospect than Helm, Howard or Abdelkader. Quincey and Meech were both well thought of then as well.  Prospect rankings are certainly not the gospel of how a player’s career will go, where they’re at currently, or how they’ll do at any particular level.  Prospect rankings aren’t even a good indicator of a prospect’s trade value.  They are merely an arbitrary ranking based on entirely subjective opinions of the optimistic view of a player’s potential.  Higher ranked prospects will also often have a lower basement to go along with their ceiling because of the nature of skill-based games and how they do or do not translate at different levels compared to grinding-based games and how they remain effectively the same at all levels.

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 11/14/13 at 01:56 AM ET

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I mean, Brendan Smith dominated his position at the AHL level.  Flat-out dominated it… and how bleeping good has he been so far, hmm?

You’re right.  There’s never been a player who played well in the AHL and then also played well in the NHL.  The Brendan Smith model is the only one there is.  Point taken.

Posted by Garth on 11/14/13 at 07:46 AM ET

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That’s why people dismiss your position, Vito.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/13/13 at 09:51 PM ET

You mean my position that the Wings bring up one kid from the AHL instead of another? That position is so easily dismissed? I’m not saying the Wings should expect anyone - Nyquist included - to come up and save the team. But what I do prefer to see is that the Wings roll out a third line that becomes a Wings advantage every time they hit the ice against the opponent’s third defensive pairing.

The teams that win generally have guys pushing from the bottom who are good young kids. Most teams can ice a really solid first line and a second line that is respectable. But when a team can throw some talented young guys out on the bottom six, those are the teams that scare everyone the most. You can’t sign or trade for established guys on the bottom six, for the most part. You might get a couple. But you have to fill those spots - on a championship team - with some young kids.

Posted by VitoLambruski on 11/14/13 at 09:10 AM ET

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so we can watch Nyquist score a point every 4 games.

That’s still more than watching some over payed, injury prone player not to be named score one in seven.

This team moved out Fil, Brunner and Colaiacovo while adding Dekeyser, Alfredsson and Weiss.

Ahhh, first, Fil wasn’t producing to expectations so adding Weiss, although a risk seemed like a good one. Even you have said that we haven’t seen if this is a failure or not. So it’s tiresome to hear your changing tune all the time. Sticking to one side of the road rather than the other is something you could learn from Holland.

Brunner, didn’t want to re-up. Alffie is an upgrade.

Colaiacovo was let go because, well, Dekeyser brings what the wings needed and his injuried career wasn’t hard to let go of.

Like, say, playing Sammy until he got hurt and then LTIR’ing him rather than scratching him or not playing him much. 

Wahhhh!!!! You’ve finally come around to reality!!!!! Oh my is that the sun setting in the East?

Going from the SEL or wherever else you’re trying to convince yourself some game-changer of a player is isn’t just a huge jump, it’s a monumental one.

Barf!

It’d literally make ten times as much sense to try and talk Lidstrom out of his PJs for a half a year, and that’s a really, really stupid idea.

Like saying the Wings should have signed some 1st line FA D-man that wasn’t actually available this past summer?

Like thinking Sammy could put up 30 goals this season?

Like proclaiming to everyone that you predicted a whole bunch of things you didn’t actually do?

and [Nyquist] couldn’t crack [the top six] either. Uhmmm. This is a top six that is using a 38 year old who has scored more than 18 goals in 10 years and a defensive bottom six forward. If Sammy isn’t being used in the top six when he does play it’s pretty easy to surmise that a player with some actual potential would get some looks on the top six.

f I had to point to a single failing of the fanbase on this board that most often results in really, really goofy opinions being laid out here

You get the blue ribbon of the group. Especially saying this. I nominate you for King of the most stupid opinion ever given on this site with the above statement. Please stick around for bringing humor to my day.

Brendan Smith dominated his position at the AHL level.  Flat-out dominated it

I’m sorry. How many AHL games have you actually watched? You don’t have to count the ones that Smith played in too. We’d all like to know where your AHL evaluation abilities come from.

There aren’t any quick fixes sitting in GR.  Not a single one.

No one is saying that. People are looking at many players are under-performing on the Wings and wondering why they were put on the team when there are players wiht some potential in GR. You’re inability to look up from Sammy’s waistband to see this is causing your own grief with everyone else’s opinions. You should really spend some time learning empathy. You would then understand what it means to make keep friends. I’m not saying this because you should be making friends here but, rather, in the real world.

Every single fix that matters for this years team is in their locker room right now.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Oh Swami, please predict where the Wings will end up at the end of this season. Please, actually make one of those predictions you lay claim too.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 11/15/13 at 12:38 PM ET

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