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Updated 2x with super conflicting reports at 3:07 PM:

Because the comments sections in my previous two blog entries are currently blowing up with suggestions that Ken Holland has failed as a GM because MLive's Ansar Khan and the Free Press's Helene St. James have suggested that Vincent Lecavalier is headed to Dallas, let's hear what ESPN's Pierre LeBrun has to say about Lecavalier's decision, or the lack thereof:

It is very possible, although not quite a guarantee, that Vincent Lecavalier will choose his next team by the end of the day Wednesday. The UFA center, who is allowed to speak with teams earlier than other UFAs because his contract was bought out, has been deliberating with family where the best fit might be for him to continue this career.

The likes of the Dallas Stars, Detroit Red Wings, Montreal Canadiens, Toronto Maple Leafs, Boston Bruins, St. Louis Blues, Washington Capitals, Philadelphia Flyers, Anaheim Ducks, Vancouver Canucks and Calgary Flames are among the teams to have shown interest.

The decision for Lecavalier begins with Montreal. He has to decide whether he wants to go home and deal with both the perks and detriments of playing in his native town. And if he goes home, it’s not going to be for the same kind of money or term other clubs would have offered. If he’s a Hab, it’s more because he really, really wants to be one. Montreal definitely has interest in signing him, but it’s going to have to be on a reasonable deal that fits within its cap and payroll structure.

But no one should fault Lecavalier if he decides to avoid that situation; that’s his choice as a UFA.

I still think Dallas is a solid possibility for Lecavalier if he wants to remain in a quiet, non-traditional hockey place, an environment he long experienced with the Tampa Bay Lightning. And I think the Stars are willing to go five years on a deal.

While it’s true to a degree, as Nashville Predators GM David Poile suggested to his local media Tuesday, that Lecavalier would prefer to stay in the East, it does not preclude him from playing in Dallas, I can tell you that. Detroit is a great fit, too, and so is Boston mind. We’ll know soon enough.

Amongst LeBrun's other points:

Pending UFA winger Damien Brunner was a day away from being able to speak with the 29 other teams. His agent, Neil Sheehy, told ESPN.com via email Tuesday morning that he planned to talk again with Detroit but wasn’t sure where it was all headed.

Now please go on with what is apparently NATIONAL WINGS FAN PANIC PANIC PANIC DAY.

 

 

Update: cue the "insiders":

Update #2: Insider!

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Holland won’t give a 34 year old 5 years!?!? He sucks!! Fire him! Oh wait he’s being smart. Nevermind. Go about your business.

Posted by tmoore4075 on 07/02/13 at 02:36 PM ET

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NATIONAL WINGS FAN PANIC PANIC PANIC DAY.

“Universal Questioning Holland Day” is more appropriate, lots of Fans World Wide. Eh Canada??

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 07/02/13 at 02:37 PM ET

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Hah cause thats exactly what was said.  Jesus christ.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 02:40 PM ET

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Now please go on with what is apparently NATIONAL WINGS FAN PANIC PANIC PANIC DAY.

That’s every day of the year.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 07/02/13 at 02:41 PM ET

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Posted by tmoore4075 on 07/02/13 at 02:36 PM ET

1) He’s 33, not 34.
2) Holland won’t give him THREE years, much less five and apparently he won’t give Lecavalier $5M per year at all, which is the price the market has set for him, yet Holland is interested in Weiss for the supposedly more than $5M.
3) How do you know it’s smart?  Because Detroit has never been able to get good play out of veterans?  Because Lecavalier sucks?  Because you’ve seen the future?  Enlighten the rest of us, please…

Posted by Garth on 07/02/13 at 02:41 PM ET

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Another blog entry about fans not having a right to question the direction of the franchise or God forbid the GM.  Lecavalier is 33yrs old, not 34 yrs old first of all, and if Holland is willing to chase guys like Weiss why is he not willing to chase Lecavalier.  And lastly, George have you ever known a Wings beat writer to make a sweeping declaration like that without being fed from the organization?  Do you really think either Khan or St James would just guess or make an assumption like that?

Posted by bababooey on 07/02/13 at 02:44 PM ET

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I’m depressed and not-reading-much since we were eliminated. When did he say he wouldn’t offer more than two years?

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 07/02/13 at 02:47 PM ET

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3 panics George?  Questioning Ken Holland does not equal panic. It signals consistent, annual exasperation.  Once again, we’re going to lowball a UFA for some outdated belief that tropical Detroit and heritage are going to bring another player to the Wings for less money and fewer years.

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 07/02/13 at 02:54 PM ET

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DRW’s official YouTube page posted a State of the Wings video.

Holland’s on the vid.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/02/13 at 02:59 PM ET

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So Vinny is out which means Horton, Ribiero and Clarkson are definitely out…so Holland looks at Jagr, Iginla, Ryder etc.?? That actually makes much more sense because the latter group are older and declining with less talent by far than Lecavalier but may sign for a million less. They’ll pair nicely with Samuelsson, who probably won’t be bought out, and as a replacement for Brunner who’ll probably walk.

I’m just looking best case scenario here…

Posted by godblender on 07/02/13 at 02:59 PM ET

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Forgot to mention that the State of the Wings vid is over forty minutes long.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/02/13 at 03:01 PM ET

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I think no one ets bought out. No one gets signed. We hold onto cap space to make a big deal at the deadline. Then we don’t make a big deal at the trade deadline.

Posted by lancer on 07/02/13 at 03:03 PM ET

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2) Holland won’t give him THREE years, much less five and apparently he won’t give Lecavalier $5M per year at all, which is the price the market has set for him, yet Holland is interested in Weiss for the supposedly more than $5M.

Posted by Garth on 07/02/13 at 02:41 PM ET

How do you know that Holland won’t give Lecavalier at leat three years?  How do you know that he won’t give Lecavalier $5M per year at all?  How do you know that Holland is interested in Weiss for more than $5 M year?  Have you installed an NSA-style phone tap on Holland’s blackberry?  Is this Project Prism 2.0?  Are you Ken Holland’s assistant?

At this point, all anyone can go on is the rampant speculation that is being trickled in through the Twitterverse and blogosphere.  There are so many various reports going on right now, it’s hard to know what’s true or not.

If Lecavalier ends up settling on a 5 yr/$25 million deal in Dallas, then, yes, I think we can rightfully criticize KH for (possibly) not putting forth a reasonable deal for a good player.  Same goes if he ends up making Weiss a 5 yr/$30 milliion offer, why make that offer to Weiss and not Lecavalier? 

Until then, I would be careful making statements of “fact” that are so purely speculative.

Posted by Ajax19 on 07/02/13 at 03:04 PM ET

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I’m not opposed to getting Vinny, but at 5 million per for 5 years, it’s not the end of the world that he goes to Dallas. He might just want to be a top line player on a line with Benn and Eriksson. Don’t see how that’s Holland’s fault.

Posted by Jesusberg on 07/02/13 at 03:05 PM ET

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At least this year Holland wont have to scramble to fill the roster with also-rans after being rejected by every respectable free agent on the market, because they are already on the team.

He’ll give a 35yr old Sammi 3mil/yr for 2 years, but he won’t give 33yr old Vinnie 5mil/yr for 4-5 years?  What a crock.

Posted by Hootinani on 07/02/13 at 03:05 PM ET

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Then we don’t make a big deal at the trade deadline.
Posted by lancer on 07/02/13 at 03:03 PM ET

Because, ya know, the price was too high. Tick Tock….is he the broken clock? We’ll know soon

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/02/13 at 03:07 PM ET

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yeah these reactions from everyone are HILARIOUS!! Kenny’s doing his thing as usual. UFA’s can play for the Wings on our terms. Welcome to a culture of winning. That’s how it works. If you don’t want that and you want the money you think you deserve at the term you think you deserve, well have fun middling about in Dallas.

And we move on. I’d think our playoff success this year would make some of you calm down a bit. You could see plain and simple that we aren’t that far from the Hawks at this point. And we have a TON of people getting better and better who are all going to need to be resigned in their primes in a few years. We DEFINITELY don’t want a 5 year contract for Vinny hanging over our head… unless he wants to take $2mil the last two years or something. But that doesn’t seem likely. Whatever. Kenny will continue to disappoint the more impulsive fans when he doesn’t make EVERY SINGLE DEAL RUMORED, but playing it cool and smart is how you rebuild on the fly which is what we are now doing for the second time in a decade. Find me another team in any sport who’s pulled this off. Kenny operates differently, as he should. If he simply threw “market value” at any and all decent UFA’s he’d be on the 3 year GM carousal like most of the other managers.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/02/13 at 03:09 PM ET

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This is all just speculation by the so called “in the know” people. No one knows for sure why Wings are out of the Vinny sweepstakes. But if it really is true that the reason was the term and money of 5mil for 4/5 years, that doesnt make sense.

Posted by George0211 on 07/02/13 at 03:09 PM ET

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THE DETROIT RED WINGS

No good deals since [2008]

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 07/02/13 at 03:09 PM ET

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is he the broken clock?

interestingly enough, a broken clock is correct twice a day.

Posted by SnLO from the sub great-white north on 07/02/13 at 03:11 PM ET

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I know we all want to complain about Holland’s likely inactivity and quite possibly for good reason but can we at least wait until after he does nothing? There’s no reason to complain about what we think Holland’s going to do before he does it; it’s not like Holland’s reading blogs’ comment sections looking for fans’ opinions. If he was, he’d have probably made a thousand moves since the trade deadline.

Posted by EDJ on 07/02/13 at 03:12 PM ET

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I’d think our playoff success this year would make some of you calm down a bit. You could see plain and simple that we aren’t that far from the Hawks at this point.

Now THAT’S hilarious.

 

Posted by godblender on 07/02/13 at 03:13 PM ET

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Now THAT’S hilarious.

Posted by godblender on 07/02/13 at 03:13 PM ET

And just why was he wrong?  I see a lot of parallels between this team and the pre-2010 Hawks.  A lot of good players in need of maturation, which is exactly what they’ll get.  I don’t see how that’s such a stretch.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 07/02/13 at 03:17 PM ET

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I know we all want to complain about Holland’s likely inactivity and quite possibly for good reason but can we at least wait until after he does nothing?

2013 is after 2012, 2011, 2010 and 2009.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 07/02/13 at 03:20 PM ET

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How do you know that Holland won’t give Lecavalier at leat three years?  How do you know that he won’t give Lecavalier $5M per year at all?  How do you know that Holland is interested in Weiss for more than $5 M year?  Have you installed an NSA-style phone tap on Holland’s blackberry?  Is this Project Prism 2.0?  Are you Ken Holland’s assistant?

Do you not read?  Do you not click on the articles that appear on this very website?

Posted by Garth on 07/02/13 at 03:33 PM ET

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Where are all these declarations coming from? What reputable sources have confirmed that Holland is:

- Chasing Weiss for as much money as Lecavalier is likely to get
- Unwilling to give Lecavalier more than 3 years
- Unwilling to give Lecavalier more than $5 million/per

Also, 5 years @ $5 million in Detroit is not the equal to 5@5 in Dallas—Texas has no state income tax. I know this is rough and doesn’t include the ways you can decrease taxable income, but 4.25% of $5 million is $212,500. That’s a lot of money. So, strictly speaking on dollars, you do essentially have to tie up a quarter-million more in cap space (given equal term) to match Dallas. Or, you have to offer more term, which is tough to do with a 33 year old that while still talented and a player I’m a huge fan of, has seen his best days.

FWIW, I would love the Wings to get Vinny,and really do not want them to get Weiss unless it is for a back of pucks and a few Hot ‘n’ Ready pizzas.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 07/02/13 at 03:34 PM ET

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Until then, I would be careful making statements of “fact” that are so purely speculative.

Well that’s wonderful for you.  I’m going to do what I wanna do though, OK?

Posted by Garth on 07/02/13 at 03:35 PM ET

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Agreed IwoCPO.

I know the term isn’t great*, but I’d love to have a player like Vinny on this team.
It would also be nice to get excited about something in the off season.

Some might argue “Would you rather be exciting and in shambles like Philly?”.
But to me there’s a happy medium.

In the end, sports is about entertainment, and at times, you have to make a hard choice to entertain the fan base.
Nobody here can’t tell me there wouldn’t be considerable buzz if Vinny were to land in Detroit.

It would be nice to have a GM that liked a colour other than Beige.

*Projections are already showing that in 3 years, the cap ceiling could be $80M.
$5M out of $80M is approximately 6%. Compare that to Samuelson’s cap hit of $3M out of $64M cap; or approximately - 4.6%.
I’d much rather have Vinny and his 1.5% extra cap hit than ‘Shoots Wide” Sammy!

Posted by Hank1974 on 07/02/13 at 03:37 PM ET

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What happens if we offer a 33-year-old Cup-Winning, Richard-Winning, World Cup of Hockey Gold-Winning, “C” wearing, potential HOFer a 5-year contract and he produces at an above average rate for 5 years?  Because in this 21st Century, athletes playing at a high level when they are 38 is not a crazy notion.  It seems like everyone is just assuming that when Vinny hits 35 his play is going to go to hell and he’ll be gumming up our (or someone else’s) 4th line.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/02/13 at 03:40 PM ET

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  is he the broken clock?

interestingly enough, a broken clock is correct twice a day.

Posted by SnLO from the sub-great white north on 07/02/13 at 03:11 PM ET

I read this in a Spock voice.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/02/13 at 03:41 PM ET

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Some might argue “Would you rather be exciting and in shambles like Philly?”.
But to me there’s a happy medium.

It’s their strawman argument.  Wanting Holland to act is equating him to Holmgren and turning over the whole roster, as opposed to a Doug Wilson or Peter Chiarelli or even a Ray Shero, who trade interchangeable parts for other parts or draft picks, while saving space for top ufa’s.  The problem is that Holland overpays for those interchangeable parts and puts them on the top line instead of paying market value for the legitimate top 6 guys.

Posted by bababooey on 07/02/13 at 03:42 PM ET

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*Projections are already showing that in 3 years, the cap ceiling could be $80M.
$5M out of $80M is approximately 6%. Compare that to Samuelson’s cap hit of $3M out of $64M cap; or approximately - 4.6%.
I’d much rather have Vinny and his 1.5% extra cap hit than ‘Shoots Wide” Sammy!

I think you just gave us the math that will make “Getting a healthy Sammy back is like signing a FA like Vinny” logical. Thanks.

Posted by lancer on 07/02/13 at 03:43 PM ET

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Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/02/13 at 03:40 PM ET

This.

Posted by Garth on 07/02/13 at 03:44 PM ET

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What happens if we offer a 33-year-old Cup-Winning, Richard-Winning, World
Cup of Hockey Gold-Winning, “C” wearing, potential HOFer a 5-year contract
and he produces at an above average rate for 5 years? Because in this 21st
Century, athletes playing at a high level when they are 38 is not a crazy
notion. It seems like everyone is just assuming that when Vinny hits 35 his
play is going to go to hell and he’ll be gumming up our (or someone else’s)
4th line.

Great points.
And let’s not forget that Franzen, who’s the same age, has a contract that would be paying him only $1M less per year, and for 2 more years, than what Vinny’s asking for.

 

Posted by Hank1974 on 07/02/13 at 03:45 PM ET

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2013 is after 2012, 2011, 2010 and 2009.

I think you just gave us the math that will make “Getting a healthy Sammy back is like signing a FA like Vinny” logical. Thanks.

LOL!

 

Posted by Hank1974 on 07/02/13 at 03:47 PM ET

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I think that some of us forget that KH may have made a phone call to a certain GM in Western Florida to gauge why Lecavalier was bought out, and why. 

Perhaps, it is because VL is just playing on his past performance, and he isn’t giving 100%.  Lord knows the Wings want guys who want to win, and will it all, maybe even their right knee for a Cup.

Posted by zombietroy on 07/02/13 at 03:48 PM ET

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I think that some of us forget that KH may have made a phone call to a certain GM in Western Florida to gauge why Lecavalier was bought out, and why. 

Perhaps, it is because VL is just playing on his past performance, and he isn’t giving 100%.  Lord knows the Wings want guys who want to win, and will it all, maybe even their right knee for a Cup.

Right, because that certain GM in Western Florida who will be in the same conference next season is so anxious to help his former team.

Posted by bababooey on 07/02/13 at 03:50 PM ET

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Quit panicking Hank.  All im seeing is blah blah blah.  All you Wings fans are just freakin out.  /sarcasm

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 03:50 PM ET

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Perhaps, it is because VL is just playing on his past performance, and he isn’t giving 100%.  Lord knows the Wings want guys who want to win, and will it all, maybe even their right knee for a Cup.

Yeah, that’s probably it.  Yzerman told him not to sign Lecavalier.

Posted by Garth on 07/02/13 at 03:51 PM ET

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I read this in a Spock voice.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/02/13 at 03:41 PM ET

Fascinating

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 07/02/13 at 03:52 PM ET

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