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Late night gnus: Khan provides updates on Red Wings’ negotiations with Howard, Filppula, Brunner

Via RedWingsFeed, MLive's Ansar Khan has postedan article that's made staying up late to cover the Red Wings' West Coast swing worth it, even after enduring that crappy-ass loss to Calgary. He's reporting that the Wings hammering out the details of a contract extension for Jimmy Howard...

A source told MLive.com that the sides are inching closer to agreeing on a deal that would more than double Howard's current $2.25 million salary to the $5 million-a-year range. It is expected to be for at least six or seven years.

Getting their workhorse goaltender signed was the Red Wings' top priority. Playing behind a defense that lost Nicklas Lidstrom and Brad Stuart in the offseason and has been riddled by injuries, Howard arguably has been the club's most valuable player. He is 10-7-4, with a 2.46 goals-against average and .914 save percentage.

Howard, who turns 29 on March 26, averaged 36 wins for three seasons after assuming the starting role in 2009-10, when he finished second in Calder Trophy balloting to Buffalo Sabres defenseman Tyler Myers.

And he has news about Valtteri Filppula (asking quite a bit) and Damien Brunner (no comparables as of yet), too:

The Red Wings are optimistic they can find common ground with Brunner, but they aren't anywhere close to signing Filppula, who is believed to seeking a contract worth more than $5 million a season.

The Red Wings have had numerous conversations with Brunner's agent. The problem is determining his market value with so little sample size. Brunner's base salary this year is $925,000, with the potential to earn $517,500 in bonuses (all prorated due to the lockout).

Brunner led the top Swiss league in scoring in 2011-12 and was doing the same this season when the NHL lockout ended. He scored 10 goals in his first 19 games with the Red Wings but has no goals in the past eight games.

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NIVO's avatar

i dont get the howard(if it becomes a deal). He’s worth a million raise, no doubt. Lets say 3.5 is a fair number. And for 3 yeats would great, then evaluate from there. But if its 6 years, are we letting Mrazek rot, or are we gonna spend money to train the guy abd get rid of him? I dont get it.

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 03/14/13 at 04:11 AM ET

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*yeats = years

sorry about that

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 03/14/13 at 04:12 AM ET

Hockeytown Wax's avatar

hmmm… 6 or 7 year deal for howie ... we could have another Roberto Luongo on our hands if/when Mrazek turns out to be the best thing since sliced bread.

If they sign him long term at $5 mil. per, maybe 4 years from now that’s a cheap contract and easy to unload via trade.

I don’t understand how or why Fil (and his agent) would want to get into a pissing contest over money considering he and Mule are the poster children for inconsistency.  Whenever Datsyuk and/or Zetterberg have been injured, he’s had opportunities to show his talents but, instead, he’s disappeared into the sideboards like bad advertising.  Sure he’s got talent but, it would be nice to display said talent when the team needs it the most ... not when its convenient for Fil.

As for Brunner ... mad skills .. lock him up A.S.A.P.
At this point I’d be willing to give him Fil’s money.

Posted by Hockeytown Wax from West Bloomfield, Mi. on 03/14/13 at 04:38 AM ET

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Filppula looks to be setting himself up to be the next Andreas Lilja. He has the raw talent to be in the league, but (as so much better said above by Hockeytown Wax) disappears too regularly.

I was so elated when the DRW locked up Franzen with a term contract. That did not pan out. Let’s not make the same mistake a few more times.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 03/14/13 at 07:52 AM ET

Guilherme's avatar

$5 million for Howard or Filppula? Good grief, what the hell.

Work something better with Howard, trade Filppula.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 03/14/13 at 08:10 AM ET

Vladimir16's avatar

but they aren’t anywhere close to signing Filppula, who is believed to seeking a contract worth more than $5 million a season.

If this is the case trade his ass! Dude’s worth 4. Tops. If the Wings sign Flip for anything 4.5 or above it truly shows they’ve lost their edge and mediocrity will be the norm.
Now don’t even get me started on 5 for Howard….

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 03/14/13 at 08:16 AM ET

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Actually, I think Fil is worth 3 and Howard 3.5

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 03/14/13 at 08:20 AM ET

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are we letting Mrazek rot

No, come on, don’t be ridiculous.  He’ll get one start a year and if he doesn’t stand on his head and get a double shutout they’ll send him down for more seasoning.

Seriously…6-7 years at $5M per?  Idiots…

Work something better with Howard, trade Filppula.

This.

Posted by Garth on 03/14/13 at 09:06 AM ET

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If the Wings sign Flip for anything 4.5 or above it truly shows they’ve lost their edge and mediocrity will be the norm.

All due respect, they proved that already this past summer with the Samuelsson and Abdelkader deals and proved it double with the pathetic panic-signing of Carlo Colaiacovo.

Posted by Garth on 03/14/13 at 09:11 AM ET

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A source told MLive.com that the sides are inching closer to agreeing on a deal that would more than double Howard’s current $2.25 million salary to the $5 million-a-year range. It is expected to be for at least six or seven years.

Jaroslav Halak, Craig Anderson and Antti Niemi are all roughly Howard’s age and earn well under $5 million per…am I the only one who would feel much more comfortable with any one of these three in goal for a playoff series rather than Howard? Hell, Niemi has a ring and the other two have been nothing short of spectacular in recent playoffs.

Just for reference, Tim Thomas and Marc Andre-Fleury both have cap hits of $5 million (Howard’s worth supposedly). One small difference between the lot of course…Thomas and Fleury have actually performed well in the playoffs, lead their teams on deep playoff runs and have won a Cup.

What in the hell is going on with this organization’s management?

Posted by godblender on 03/14/13 at 10:06 AM ET

Vladimir16's avatar

All due respect, they proved that already this past summer with the Samuelsson and Abdelkader deals and proved it double with the pathetic panic-signing of Carlo Colaiacovo.
Posted by Garth on 03/14/13 at 09:11 AM ET

True

What in the hell is going on with this organization’s management?

Posted by godblender on 03/14/13 at 10:06 AM ET

Mr. I is more worried about the Tigers and doesn’t have his finger on the pulse of the Wings? That would be my guess.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 03/14/13 at 10:19 AM ET

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The problem with thinking ‘Filppula’s only worth 3.5 or 4 mil per’ - is that’s our Rose Colored glasses assuming a constant hometown discount.

Given the relative lack of top two line centers available this summer, you can almost guarantee someone will pay Filppula 6 mil a year.

It’s professional sports folks.  News flash - athletes don’t get paid what their ‘worth’, they get paid Market Value.  And you can bet (right or wrong) Filppula’s market value is alot more than us Red Wings fans think he’s ‘worth’.

Posted by SuperMatt75 from the cool side of the pillow on 03/14/13 at 11:16 AM ET

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That’s fine. Pay him 5+, let him walk for nothing or get something, anything out of him. I’d pick the latter.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 03/14/13 at 11:21 AM ET

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Please keep Howie for no more than 5 years - Mrazek is gonna be the next big thing…
If this west coast trip goes as poorly as it has started, TRADE FIL NOW.  This is supposed to be the best seller’s market of all time; he should be worth AT LEAST a second-rounder and a top prospect.

Posted by LivinLaVidaLockout on 03/14/13 at 12:03 PM ET

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Posted by SuperMatt75 from the cool side of the pillow on 03/14/13 at 11:16 AM ET

Sorry, the problem is that Filppula is NOT a top forward.

Will he get $6M on the open market?  Yes.  Is he worth it?  No.

So just because he’ll get it on the open market means that it’s a good idea to pay him $6M?

You pay him $6M and he becomes the ‘replacement’ for Datsyuk when Datsyuk goes.  Problem is, he’s not a replacement for Datsyuk and he never will be and paying him that will never make him that.

Just like paying Kronwall #1 money won’t make him a true #1 guy and paying Howard $5M a year won’t make him a Vezina winner and paying $2M to Abdelkader won’t make him anything more than a fourth line centre.

It’s stupid to pay Filppula $6M a year, so let someone else be stupid.

Posted by Garth on 03/14/13 at 12:24 PM ET

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It’s stupid to pay Filppula $6M a year, so let someone else be stupid.
Posted by Garth on 03/14/13 at 12:24 PM ET

I actually agree.  Nowhere did I say We should pay him or keep him.  Personally I think we need to trade him now, as long as we can get something(s) good in return. 

I just wanted to dubunk this whole concept that we’re going to resign him for some silly 3.5-4mil contract.  Not going to happen.

In addition - Say we do let him walk and someone else signs him for 6 Mil, then does the braintrust look good for letting someone else overpay (a la Hudler, Lilja, Leino, etc..).

At what point does it become ok to overpay for some talent? Like Suter or Parise last summer.  Do you overpay your own players to keep them, or do you overpay some other FA to bring them here?  Thank god I’m not the one who has to answer these questions.

Posted by SuperMatt75 from the cool side of the pillow on 03/14/13 at 12:33 PM ET

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Hell, Niemi has a ring and the other two have been nothing short of spectacular in recent playoffs.

Posted by godblender on 03/14/13 at 10:06 AM ET

Niemi won a ring in a playoffs that everyone agreed had nothing to do with goaltending, especially the finals.

Meech and Lebda have rings too.. Should be bring them back immediately? Both played lots of post season.

Drew Miller has a ring from the ducks. Lets put him on the first line instead of Brunner.. he is just unproven in the post season so he must suck.

Posted by Crater from SoCal on 03/14/13 at 12:36 PM ET

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You have to move Fil, period. Better to get return than nothing. I say we focus on Yandle. Do what it takes to get him for the sake of the future of this franchise because the season is all but done, barring a miracle return of players(deadline acquisitions as tick tock calls em). Im not saying Yandle is a savior, but its a damn good start.

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 03/14/13 at 01:00 PM ET

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Niemi won a ring in a playoffs that everyone agreed had nothing to do with goaltending, especially the finals.

Really? I must have missed that analysis from the “experts” after that season. That’s fascinating. So you’re saying that “everyone” believes that a team, any team, can not only advance to but win the Stanley Cup Finals with average at best goal tending..? Hmmm…well imagine my surprise then to learn that Detroit hasn’t won the last two Cups, or even two rounds, with average at best goal tending.

Posted by godblender on 03/14/13 at 01:54 PM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

...they aren’t anywhere close to signing Filppula, who is believed to seeking a contract worth more than $5 million a season

If that’s his position, I hope the dude has his bags packed because he’s going somewhere before the trade deadline. Of course that assumes Tick Tock has somehow found his way back from “Crazy Land” where he’s been living for the past year or two.

As for Howie, pay him based on the number of years he signs for.
  • 3 years = $5M per year
  • 4 years = $4.5M per year
  • 5 years = $4M per year

I think the comparisons to Halak, Anderson and Niemi are valid negotiating points. And having an “ace in the hole” in Mrazek can’t hurt either.

But, again, Holland has to find his way back to the sane world for anything good to come of these negotiations.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 03/14/13 at 03:08 PM ET

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So you’re saying that “everyone” believes that a team, any team, can not only advance to but win the Stanley Cup Finals with average at best goal tending..?

Nobody said that.

The year that Chicago won the Cup though, it is widely believed, the have some of the worst goaltending in the Finals.  Ever.

If you don’t want to go back and read all the analysis in which that was said, maybe take as a piece of evidence the fact that Chicago let him walk less than two months after the Cup win.

Hmmm…well imagine my surprise then to learn that Detroit hasn’t won the last two Cups, or even two rounds, with average at best goal tending.

Wow, you’re just being wilfully stupid.

• 3 years = $5M per year

Here’s the problem.  Paying him $5M in any number of years is a mistake because for him to eat up $5M in cap space next year, with the cap going down $6M is a huge problem because they’re going to need to sign a top 6 forward and a legit top 2-3 defenseman.

Nevermind, of course, that there’s no way he’s worth $5M, in my mind, but that’s opinion.  I’m talking logistics and cap space right now, and $5M for Howard is insane as far as I’m concerned.

Posted by Garth on 03/15/13 at 12:20 AM ET

Hippy Dave's avatar

5 mil for Howard is totally on par for comparable workhorse goalies around the league.  Time to trade Fil.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 03/15/13 at 11:33 AM ET

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