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Kulfan: no update on Athanasiou negotiations

The Red Wings will leave Detroit for training camp on Wednesday, and they probably won't be bringing Andreas Athanasiou with them. The Detroit News's Ted Kulfan updated the situation as best he could on Monday evening:

Time is running out for Andreas Athanasiou and the Red Wings.

The team hits the ice for the start of training camp Friday — physicals are Thursday, actually — and Athanasiou still doesn’t have a contract.

Athanasiou, a restricted free agent, remains unsigned and has offers to play in Russia’s Kontinental Hockey League, but appears to be waiting to see if something can finally be worked out with the Red Wings.

Both Athanasiou’s agent Darren Ferris and Wings general manager Ken Holland declined to comment on negotiations on Monday.

Kulfan continues...

Update: The Hockeybuzz's Bob Duff offers a similar report:

Unconfirmed published reports suggested that the Wings have offered Athanasiou, 23, who was second on the club last season with 18 goals, a two-year deal valued at $1.9 million per season. Speculation is that he has KHL offers worth in the neighborhood of $3 million per season, including one from top club Ak Bars Kazan.

Yet here he is, still without a contract.

“Nothing to add at this time,” Ferris reported Monday via text.

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Athanasiou’s agent Darren Ferris has another player in the same situation and pretty much saying the same thing:

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2017/09/11/report-no-contract-no-blue-jackets-camp-for-josh-anderson/

Posted by damndog from The Eastside of Detroit on 09/12/17 at 07:31 AM ET

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It would surprise me if something doesn’t get done between the Wings and AA in the next couple of days. Missing the start of training camp as a young RFA is not the way to start the season.

Posted by Steve in SE MI on 09/12/17 at 07:56 AM ET

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From a comment (not a writer) on The Athletic:

Excellent insights, Craig. WOTS (word on the street?) is that AA doesn’t like Blashill, at all. He apparently doesn’t take coaching well. Easy for me to believe AA wants out. Makes sense that Wings would sign and trade.

Posted by ilovehomers on 09/12/17 at 08:36 AM ET

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What a kerfuffle the Wings are in. Crappy GM and an even crappier coach. Dark years ahead.

Posted by Wings_in_NYC on 09/12/17 at 08:56 AM ET

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I like how Columbus just locked up Wennberg for $4.9M x 6 years, Seth Jones for $5.4M x 5 years, acquired the exciting Panarin at $6M, has a number of other very useful forwards like Foligno, Dubinksy, Jenner, Atkinson, Bjorkstrand and on defense guys like Werenski, Johnson, Savard, and a stud a goalie in Bobrovsky.

And they still have $8M in cap space!

How is that possible? Hmm, notice how they bring in a UFA like Gagner for $650K. They use him correctly. He puts up big points. Now that he can command big money they let him walk and some other team pays him $3.2M. Gagner gets replaced with the next kid on an ELC. But with Kenny, we extend Helm for 5 years when it was obvious AA was our next middle 6 winger. We extend Abby for 7 years when any scrub could score 20 playing with Datsyuk and Zee. Quincey has a nice year. Yeah let’s give him $4.25M to come back another year. Good GMs don’t repeatedly make mistakes like this…

Posted by fatsavage on 09/12/17 at 09:01 AM ET

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I am curious if AK Bars is offering more than 1 year. If only 1 year, AA is choosing between $3 mil tax free for one year and $4 mil before tax for 2 years. It’s a big decision for a young Canadian to leave NHL (I am sure the league he was dreaming about playing growing up) for something completely unknown (it’s not even Moscow or St.Petersbourgh). The fact AA have not signed with Kazan yet says to me he is really hesitating to go there.

Posted by VPalmer on 09/12/17 at 09:15 AM ET

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If AA comes back and stays for a significant period of time could we see a similar situation between Larkin and AA as we saw between Yzerman and Federov?

Posted by SlimChance on 09/12/17 at 09:16 AM ET

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Why is no one bringing up AA’s history? This news about not liking Blashill is unnerving if it holds water. AA forced his Jr club to move him to. Hhhmmmmmmm. Twice is only a coincidence but I’d be weary of I’m the owner/GM/coach of his next club.

Sign and trade him. Svech can have his spot.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 09/12/17 at 09:24 AM ET

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Posted by VPalmer on 09/12/17 at 10:15 AM ET

Is it really tax free if he’s still a Canadian citizen? Wouldn’t he still be paying some Canadian tax on foreign income?

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 09/12/17 at 09:26 AM ET

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To be clear, I only relayed a comment from some random joe on another website. It should not be read as gospel.

Posted by ilovehomers on 09/12/17 at 09:32 AM ET

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To be clear, I only relayed a comment from some random joe on another website. It should not be read as gospel.

Posted by ilovehomers on 09/12/17 at 10:32 AM ET

Shocking news that AA isn’t in love with his coach. How would any of you feel if you were repeatedly singled out in the media for poor effort, poor compete level, etc…while guys like Abby, Sheahan, Kronwall were atrocious all year long. AA scores 18 goals (17 at even-strength) and then sits on the bench watching Abby, Sheahan, and Kronwall get rewarded with PP time. He then sees Mantha called a Spare Part Tony. He see Mrazek dragged through the mud. He watches the organization sit silent while stories swirl around Tatar’s attitude and the fact the he ONLY showed up when the games didn’t count. He watched Jensen wait years while we trotted out Kindl and even Lashoff. His coach blathers on about the process, the process. Datsyuk defects as soon as possible. Zetterberg openly admits his contract is a sham and he’s leaving early.

Yeah this sounds like a coach AA would LOVE to play for. Sounds like an organization that he would LOVE to sign for a discount…Rocket Science!!

Posted by fatsavage on 09/12/17 at 09:44 AM ET

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Why is no one bringing up AA’s history? This news about not liking Blashill is unnerving if it holds water.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 09/12/17 at 10:24 AM ET

Whether it’s true or not, none of us really know. But, considering how many times Blashill threw him under the bus last year, it certainly shouldn’t surprise anyone.

 

Posted by Steve in SE MI on 09/12/17 at 09:46 AM ET

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Why is no one bringing up AA’s history? This news about not liking Blashill is unnerving if it holds water. AA forced his Jr club to move him to. Hhhmmmmmmm. Twice is only a coincidence but I’d be weary of I’m the owner/GM/coach of his next club.
Sign and trade him. Svech can have his spot.
Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 09/12/17 at 10:24 AM ET

It’s been brought up multiple times.

Posted by damndog from The Eastside of Detroit on 09/12/17 at 09:47 AM ET

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It’s been brought up multiple times.

Posted by damndog from HHHT (Holland Huggers Hyperbole Town) on 09/12/17 at 10:47 AM ET

Agreed. I’ve said from the beginning this ins’t totally about money. It’s wanting to escape for a year and hopefully come back to a new GM and coach. But maybe Homers blocked me. Haha.

Posted by fatsavage on 09/12/17 at 09:58 AM ET

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I’m just glad this didn’t turn into a comments section that rails against management and coaching and their decisions we don’t agree with again.

Posted by ilovehomers on 09/12/17 at 10:04 AM ET

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Posted by VPalmer on 09/12/17 at 10:15 AM ET

Is it really tax free if he’s still a Canadian citizen? Wouldn’t he still be paying some Canadian tax on foreign income?

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 09/12/17 at 10:26 AM ET

I was curious (since the US here is well known for its aggressive taxation of foreign income, at least in the absence of a tax treaty) and Canada has a ton of tax treaties, includinjg E102408 with Russia, which I think would exempt Russian wages from Canadian taxation (Article 15). Could be wrong though. Only a half cup of coffee into my day.

Posted by shazam88 from SoCal on 09/12/17 at 10:11 AM ET

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How would any of you feel if you were repeatedly singled out in the media….
that’s not the coach’s fault.

He then sees Mantha called a Spare Part Tony. He see Mrazek dragged through the mud. He watches the organization sit silent while stories swirl around Tatar’s attitude and the fact the he ONLY showed up when the games didn’t count. He watched Jensen wait years while we trotted out Kindl and even Lashoff.

also, none of this is the coach’s fault.

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Whether it’s true or not, none of us really know.

We do know that he requested a trade from London because he wasn’t getting playing time…..that sounds like a disagreement with a coach…It was also reported on in this very news clearinghouse. all I’m saying is it sounds a little more possible then it does impossible because it has happened before. I admit, it would only be coincident right now, but if he’s been upset about playing time before he’s likely to be upset with it again.

It’s been brought up multiple times.

I’m sorry, but with all the negativity around here, I do not read every single comment. I just haven’t seen anyone bring up AA’s Jr disagreement with his coach before. I’m not saying it’s a pattern, just pointing out that it’s not a one off situation and to keep an eye out for it. But hay, we just all want to love AA because he’s a beacon of hope on this team, right?

I’m just glad this didn’t turn into a comments section that rails against management and coaching and their decisions we don’t agree with again.

you mean like every single other post for the past year?

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 09/12/17 at 10:35 AM ET

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Posted by shazam88 from SoCal on 09/12/17 at 11:11 AM ET
Thanks for looking that up. I am no Canadian tax lawyer and would never make assumptions about anything I know very little about.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 09/12/17 at 10:36 AM ET

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My assumption Blashill liked only by 4 players on the roster - Sheahan, Abby, Glendening and Ericsson.

Posted by VPalmer on 09/12/17 at 10:45 AM ET

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How would any of you feel if you were repeatedly singled out in the media….
that’s not the coach’s fault….blah, blah

Umm, yeah it is the coaches fault when he’s giving them the soundbites. You think HSJ and Mlive are just independently forming an OPINION that AA has work ethic problems? You don’t remember the coach slagging him in public on numerous occasions?

Posted by fatsavage on 09/12/17 at 11:28 AM ET

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You don’t remember the coach slagging him in public on numerous occasions?

nope. but I know you do, so provide a few links of this “slagging” and I’ll quickly come over to your side.

You think HSJ and Mlive are just independently forming an OPINION that AA has work ethic problems?

well…he has shown a history of it…..

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 09/12/17 at 11:43 AM ET

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You don’t remember the coach slagging him in public on numerous occasions?

nope. but I know you do, so provide a few links of this “slagging” and I’ll quickly come over to your side.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 09/12/17 at 12:43 PM ET

Hahaha. You are kidding right? You don’t remember Blashill questioning his compete level. Hahaha. Take a look at the link below. The kid buys a bunch of tickets to the outdoor classic but then gets benched because of his “compete level”. Here are a couple of EXACT quotes directly from Blashill:

1) “I don’t think it’s necessarily one area of the game. I think there are nights when he is real engaged and he’s an outstanding player, and nights where that engagement isn’t the same, whether it’s the competitive level or the engagement or attention to detail.”

2) “It’s just hopefully a maturation process for him that he can continue to make sure that every night that competitive level is at the level it needs to be to be successful in this league.”

3) Blashill recalled a conversation he had with Wings legend Ted Lindsay before the season began, relaying how Lindsay said to make sure to tell players “if they go into the corner with another player and they don’t come out with the puck,” they’re not a very good hockey player.
“That’s what it comes down to – competitiveness, desire to win, matters the most,” Blashill said. “It trumps talent, it trumps everything else. Not just him, all our players, we’ve got to make sure our competitive level is at an extraordinary high level.”

Kinda strange that the compete level for Sheahan never came up - ever. Kronwall, Ericsson, Dekeyser - never. Abby used to be physical, but coasted most of the year - never mentioned once. Helm used to be a real pain to play against but not so much anymore. Yeah, these guys had an EXTRAORDINARY high level of compete for 82 games. Hopefully AA can learn from them!!

Full article below since you claim this never happened. Mic dropped.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2016/12/30/detroit-red-wings-andreas-athanasiou-benching/96007544/

 

 

Posted by fatsavage on 09/12/17 at 01:42 PM ET

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all I see is blah blah blah.

once. wow. once is not numerous. but hey, I understand, when you hate your favorite team enough it’s easy to want to see one time as all the time.

but you are right. you are fatsavage, willing to berate anyone into submission.

Mic dropped

giggle. giggle. giggle. yeah. you had to tell me you made a point. that’s not making a point if you have to do that.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 09/12/17 at 03:36 PM ET

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all I see is blah blah blah.

once. wow. once is not numerous. but hey, I understand, when you hate your favorite team enough it’s easy to want to see one time as all the time.

but you are right. you are fatsavage, willing to berate anyone into submission.

Mic dropped

giggle. giggle. giggle. yeah. you had to tell me you made a point. that’s not making a point if you have to do that.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 09/12/17 at 04:36 PM ET

So no actual acknowledgement that Blashill did IN FACT call out AA in public? Thought so.

Posted by fatsavage on 09/12/17 at 03:47 PM ET

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So no actual acknowledgement that Blashill did IN FACT call out AA in public?

sorry…..numerous...was the terms. I asked you about, You don’t remember the coach slagging him in public on numerous occasions?

You gave me once.

wow. you really can’t let go when you are wrong. I guess I was right too about the berating, when I was just joking.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 09/12/17 at 04:35 PM ET

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You gave me once.

wow. you really can’t let go when you are wrong. I guess I was right too about the berating, when I was just joking.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 09/12/17 at 05:35 PM ET

Bwahaha. Yes I posted one example. Now go to Google. Search for Blashill speaks about Athanasiou. You can find your own examples. They are numerous. And always the same theme of Blashill blathering on about his compete level. Here are a few more tidbits from April 2017:

1) “Dating back to the last few games he hasn’t played to the level that warrants more minutes, so he’s got to earn more minutes by playing at a higher level, mainly making sure that he wins those one-on-one puck battles,”

(I guess it’s OK if Sheahan, Helm, Abby, Miller, Glendummy lose one-on-one battles, but not AA)

2) On Tuesday, Athanasiou had the fewest minutes on the ice (9:55) of any Wings forward. Street was at 10:35 and Riley Sheahan had 10:36.

“He’s got to make sure … when he wins one-on-one puck battles he’s a real good player because the puck is on his stick, so he’s got to make sure he does a good job of that,” Blashill said.

3) “It’s a matter of making sure he’s engaged. He’s coming off an injury, so I can’t speak to how that feels. I just think it’s stopping on pucks. I think he’s got real good strength when he stops on pucks. He’s got to make sure he’s engaged and ready to compete at that high level the way our leaders do, like (Henrik) Zetterberg and (Niklas) Kronwall and those guys.”

HAHAHA!! Our leaders compete at a high level, every night for 82 games. Leaders like I guess Abby and Nyquist and Dekeyser and Ericsson and Sheahan is an emerging leader. AA needs to be like them.

I’m done with you. Go back to your little fantasy world. FACTS show that Blashill has PUBLICLY called out AA…NUMEROUS times.

Posted by fatsavage on 09/12/17 at 05:43 PM ET

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First I want to recognize the hard work you did Googling. That must have been a real burden for you to do what I originally asked you to do four or five comments ago. But on the bright side you got to call me a few choice names and treat me in a demeaning manner for challenging your point of view.

If that’s slagging then AA must have some pretty thin skin because there’s a lot of recognition in Blashill’s comments there. It’s really good that AA has someone as caring about other people as you to hold Coach Blashill to a standard that even you can’t reach. It’s always good to hold other people to standards that we aren’t willing to live up to. That way it’s so much easier to judge them, right?

And thanks for the restraint. I’m sure you really wanted to make this personal but I’m so glad you didn’t…....oh…...

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 09/12/17 at 11:50 PM ET

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