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Khan: Red Wings’ Holland will kick UFA tires on Wednesday; Brunner, Cleary may return; Fil’s gone

Updated 2x at 2:38 PM: As noted in the mid-day entry, the NHL's "wining and dining" period for free agents-to-be gets underway tomorrow at 12 PM and lasts until Friday, and while nobody's sure how it will play out, Wings GM Ken Holland told MLive's Ansar Khan that he will take part in the process:

Detroit Red Wings general manager Ken Holland said he plans to reach out to about a half-dozen forwards.

“I'll express interest, see what they're thinking,'' Holland said.

Khan lists a slate of forwards who the Wings might target but he's reporting that today's scuttlebutt suggests that David Clarkson's somehow going to get more than $5 million per season on the open market, and nathan Horton wants $6 million, which takes any sane team out of the running for either. The news isn't good regarding Lecavalier, either:

His biggest need is a second-line center, since it appears Valtteri Filppula won't return. The Red Wings have interest in Florida's Stephen Weiss. Other centers scheduled to hit the market include Mike Ribeiro (Washington), Matt Cullen (Minnesota), Derek Roy (Vancouver) and Tyler Bozak (Toronto). Patrik Elias reportedly is close to re-signing with New Jersey.

The Red Wings are out of the bidding for Vincent Lecavalier, who is seeking a five-year deal for $5 million per season, which is a longer term and more money than Detroit is willing to offer. Lecavalier's agent told teams he has identified a club he wants to play for. It's believed to be Dallas.

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The Red Wings have some interest in right wing Jarome Iginla, the longtime face of the franchise in Calgary who was traded to Pittsburgh late last season. But, there are concerns about whether Iginla, who is 36, can play an up-tempo game at both ends of the ice.

You may take these Tweets for what you will:

As for the Wings' other moves, Khan reports that:

1. Not surprisingly, the Wings may not buy out anyone (Samuelsson, Colaiacovo, Bertuzzi) until at or around Thursday's 5 PM buyout deadline;

2. And the Wings are still trying to re-sign Daniel Cleary and Damien Brunner, who essentially get to "test the market" for free tomorrow:

Term, not money, is the sticking point with Cleary, who is 34. The Red Wings likely don't want to commit to more than two years.

The big issue with Brunner is his lack of a track record in the NHL. He'll probably listen to what other teams have to offer on Wednesday and Thursday and then come back to the Red Wings to see if they'll up their offer.

And, not surprisingly, Holland's been told that Filppula is highly unlikely to return:

“There's a significant difference,'' Holland said. “That's why it doesn't appear we're positioned to do a deal. It makes good sense for Fil and his agent to hit July 3 and see what's out there. I'll stay in contact with Fil's agent. When players hit the open market they're probably moving on. Players usually get offers that are better because so many teams are in play.''

Update #0.5: You may take this quip from Predators GM David Poile to the Tennessean's Josh Cooper, again, for what you will:

Poile said he had spoken with pending unrestricted free agent Vincent Lecavalier, who was recently bought out by the Tampa Bay Lightning. The 33-year-old Lecavalier, a former 52-goal scorer, preferred to stay on the East Coast, according to Poile.

“We’re going to follow it up again, because we think it could be a fit, but that’s what he and his people have said,” Poile said.

Update #1: We are officially in, "Who the *#$%@& knows" territory:

Update #2: The Macomb Daily's Chuck Pleiness confirms Filppula's status...

“He’s looking forward to July 5,” Wings general manager Ken Holland said in a phone interview. “There’s a significant difference. That’s why it doesn’t appear we’re positioned to do a deal.”

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“It makes good sense for Fil and his agent to hit July 3 and see what’s out there,” Holland said. “I’ll stay in contact with his agent. If it’s time to leave, it’s time to leave.”

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“When players hit the open market they’re probably moving on,” Holland admitted. “Players usually get offers that are better because so many teams are in play. This year is different because of the reduced cap.”

And in terms of tire-kicking and free agent-retaining:

Holland will continue to talk with Daniel Cleary and Damien Brunner, the Wings’ other two unrestricted free agents, to try and work out deals.

There seem to be sticking points with both of them.

With Cleary it’s not money, but length of a deal, while Brunner seems to be more about money. Cleary is 34 and Detroit will more than likely not want a deal of more than two years.

Brunner had his ups and downs in his first year in the league, so it’s hard to set the bar on his value.

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If that were true he would have been on the roster.

If it’s not true then why did Ken Holland sign him for two years?

Posted by Garth on 07/02/13 at 02:26 PM ET

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I don’t think it’s quite that easy.  If it was that easy, then why aren’t more UFAs flipped if every time it was obvious that there was almost no change of re-signing a UFA?

Fair enough.

But then why was every local pundit so sure he was going to be flipped at the draft?

It’s the exception and not the rule that UFA rights are flipped after the season.

Posted by Ajax19 on 07/02/13 at 02:19 PM ET

OK. Then why didn’t they flip him at the trade deadline?

Obviously they knew they weren’t close.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 07/02/13 at 02:26 PM ET

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Posted by AzWingsFan on 07/02/13 at 02:20 PM ET

Amen to that.  It sometimes seems like some commentators would rather see Paul Holmgren-style management for the Wings.  And we know how that turns out.

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 07/02/13 at 02:27 PM ET

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  Fil AND White.  Perfectly fine NHL caliber defenseman sitting in a suit eating hotdogs every night and we couldn’t get a 7th rounder for him?

  Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/02/13 at 02:16 PM ET

If that were true he would have been on the roster.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 07/02/13 at 02:22 PM ET

Nah. My money is on Ian trying to make out with Babcock’s wife at the Christmas party.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/02/13 at 02:28 PM ET

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And we know how that turns out.

There’s actually a lot of real estate between the two, you know.  It’s not one or he other.

Posted by Garth on 07/02/13 at 02:30 PM ET

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OK. Then why didn’t they flip him at the trade deadline?
Obviously they knew they weren’t close.
Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 07/02/13 at 02:26 PM ET

Because they were in the middle of a playoff run.  It’s very rare for teams in the playoff hunt to simply trade away pending UFAs for draft picks or prospects.  Those kinds of moves are done by teams that are pretty much out of the playoffs come deadline day (see, e.g., Calgary).

Posted by Ajax19 on 07/02/13 at 02:33 PM ET

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If it’s not true then why did Ken Holland sign him for two years?

Posted by Garth on 07/02/13 at 02:26 PM ET

I’m straining to understand how your comment even makes sense…

Maybe you’ve seen Holland’s crystal ball, but as for myself I’m not sure how he was supposed to know that White was going to play himself out of a roster spot in advance. 

I’m assuming he was signed based on his performance with San Jose.  I don’t think that’s related to him riding the pine after mid-season in Detroit.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 07/02/13 at 02:34 PM ET

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Nah. My money is on Ian trying to make out with Babcock’s wife at the Christmas party.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 07/02/13 at 02:28 PM ET

+19

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 07/02/13 at 02:37 PM ET

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OK. Then why didn’t they flip him at the trade deadline?
Obviously they knew they weren’t close.
Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 07/02/13 at 02:26 PM ET

Because they were in the middle of a playoff run.  It’s very rare for teams in the playoff hunt to simply trade away pending UFAs for draft picks or prospects.  Those kinds of moves are done by teams that are pretty much out of the playoffs come deadline day (see, e.g., Calgary).

Posted by Ajax19 on 07/02/13 at 02:33 PM ET

The Wings were an absolute train wreck at the deadline, and Filppula was a complete non-factor than and for the rest of the season.

Hey…maybe that’s why they didn’t trade him smile

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 07/02/13 at 02:40 PM ET

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There’s actually a lot of real estate between the two, you know.  It’s not one or he other.
Posted by Garth on 07/02/13 at 02:30 PM ET

But you’re advocating paying whatever the market dictates.  That’s much, much closer to Holmgren Abbey than Holland Court.  By your rationale Wade Redden was “worth” his $7 million deal, as was Scott Gomez and the rest of the nightmare free agent deals that have been signed in the past.

A reasonable GM evaluates a player and determines what he thinks that player is “worth” taking into account various factors, include his team’s own overall salary situation, the individual salaries of the players on his team, the age of the free agent, skill, etc, etc.  You then determine that for my team I would be willing to pay $X million for X years.  You then proceed with those numbers in mind.  You give yourself a little wiggle room, but you have to stick to your own evaluation.  The moment you start letting the “market” dictate what you should and shouldn’t be spending - a market with Holmgrens and Sathers and other irresponsible GMs and owners running about - is the moment you venture into salary cap hell and horrible, albatross like contracts.

Posted by Ajax19 on 07/02/13 at 02:41 PM ET

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Ken holland sucks! Lolwtfomg! Burn him at the stake! Sacrifice his first born!  Were too bitter and angry to go on! Sky is falling!

I know whatever i add with be paraphrased in the next blog as having said that so i thought id save you the trouble

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 02:44 PM ET

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Filppula was a complete non-factor than and for the rest of the season.

Hey…maybe that’s why they didn’t trade him

like, as in, he disappeared to the point that KH forgot he was on the roster to trade?  red face

Posted by SnLO from the sub great-white north on 07/02/13 at 02:44 PM ET

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The Wings were an absolute train wreck at the deadline, and Filppula was a complete non-factor than and for the rest of the season.
Hey…maybe that’s why they didn’t trade him
Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 07/02/13 at 02:40 PM ET

The Wings were still very much determined to make the playoffs.  They wanted to “keep the streak alive” and all of that.  Yes, Filppula didn’t contribute that much point-wise between the deadline and the start of the playoffs, but how was Holland suppose to divine that?  Given that the Wings barely made it in as it was, who knows what would have happened if Fil wasn’t in the line-up?  Perhaps they lose one of those must-win games because of some little thing the guy did that doesn’t show up on the stat sheet or something. 

Would it have been worth it?  I guess it depends on what they would have gotten for him.

Still, I would have been stunned if the Wings made that move.

Posted by Ajax19 on 07/02/13 at 02:45 PM ET

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Amen to that.  It sometimes seems like some commentators would rather see Paul Holmgren-style management for the Wings.  And we know how that turns out.

actually I prefer a Doug Wilson, Chiarelli, type approach.  Identify a need and go for it.

Posted by bababooey on 07/02/13 at 02:47 PM ET

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BaBabooey thatd just make too much sense.  Its much easiet to marginalize our point of view by identifying it with the most extreme case out there.  No one has asked to see holland trade pav and Z like carter and richards. But because we want A move, like Horton to Boston which put them in the finals 2 times in 3a years of it must mean that we want the whole team traded and Holland to pull a Jimmy Hoffa. 

This is how people with no logical defense, yet remarkably closed minded, combat intellectually.  By making fun and shouting down, disregarding points and cherry picking statements

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 02:54 PM ET

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holy shit, not that shit dick ribiero.

Posted by scotts0 from New York on 07/02/13 at 03:05 PM ET

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Sure hope Holland took Asset Management 101 at Schoolcraft this past winter, that’d be two summers in a row of bumbling 4m+ per players in Hudler and Fils.

Both of whom are soft and make Franzen look like the second coming of Holmstrom.

Again, looking at the total capspace out there, there is not enough $ for all of the players that want to make $5M/yr to make $5M/yr.  Granted, SUPPOSEDLY, the cap will go back up in 14-15, but you never can tell where people will draw the line spending $200 a seat to see a hockey game.

Lecavalier could easily take $5M for a short term deal on a stacked team to become a UFA again at 36 or 37 for more $.  Jagr is still making $4.5M and he’s 41!  Don’t forget he’s making $2M+ a year for doing nothing for 14!!! more years. 

He’s stupid if he goes to Dallas.  They are at least two years away from being able to compete for a cup.

Posted by zombietroy on 07/02/13 at 03:57 PM ET

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Success has spoiled us

The most truthful thing I’ve read anywhere.

Posted by calquake on 07/02/13 at 04:21 PM ET

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Success spoiled us eh? Youre right, id much rather throw my money i go to work for at a halfass team who. After the GMs plan blows up in his face, have to do what all the antihollanites wanted to begin with and play the kids.  I love theres this idea that success is just luck.  Just make the playoffs. Doesnt matter who you sign. If were lucky we’l get in then anything can happen.  Im sure thats how people raise their kids.  Take as many shitty classes as you can and if youre lucky youll do well enough to get you a shot at graduating.  Instead of.. you know.. planning..

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 05:28 PM ET

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Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 05:28 PM ET

Hahahahaha.

Posted by calquake on 07/02/13 at 06:01 PM ET

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Always insightful cal. Solid contributor to the discussion hahahahahahahaha

Really did make me laugh smile

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/02/13 at 06:10 PM ET

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Ditto.

Posted by calquake on 07/02/13 at 06:18 PM ET

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