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Ken Holland had a very important appointment today

According to the Free Press’s Helene St. James, a certain Red Wings general manager was busy doing something not directly related to hockey this afternoon:

Time to send him a voter registration card: Canadian Ken Holland, gainfully employed in the U.S. by the Detroit Red Wings for nearly three decades, is taking the oath to become an American citizen this afternoon. Holland, 55, was born in Vernon, British Columbia. He just finished up his 15th season as general manager of the Wings, a promotion he received in July 1997. Before that, he spent 15 years working his way up from scout to director of amateur scouting to assistant general manager.

Holland will hold dual citizenship, just like former Wings captain Steve Yzerman and longtime goalie Chris Osgood, both of whom also were born in Canada. And Swedish-born forward Tomas Holmstrom is seeking a green card.

Update: Here’s MLive’s Ansar Khan’s report, if you will..

“The United States has really provided me the opportunity to pursue my dreams and for my children, this is home to them,’’ Holland said. “It was just natural for us to become citizens so we can vote and become Americans.’‘

Holland, 55, is a native of Vernon, British Columbia.

His wife, Cindi, and youngest daughter, Rachel, also became U.S. Citizens today. His youngest son, Greg, is going through the process and could be approved any day. His oldest son, Brad, isn’t able to be sponsored by the family but wants to go through the process. His oldest daughter, Julie, was born in the U.S.

“It’s an exciting day for our family,’’ Holland said. “When I became an assistant manager here (in 1995), it became clear I wanted to carve out a career in the National Hockey League and in the United States.’‘

And here’s what Holland had to say to the Macomb Daily’s Chuck Pleiness:

“It’s an exciting day for our family,” said Holland, who will hold a dual citizenship. “The United States has really provided me the opportunity to pursue my dreams and my children. This is home to them. It was just natural for us to become citizens so we can vote and become Americans.”

Holland’s youngest son, Greg, is in the process of becoming a citizen as well.

“Hopefully he’s not too far behind,” Holland said. “The oldest one I waited to long and we weren’t able to sponsor him. He does want to follow with the rest of the family though.”

Brad, 30, is the oldest son. Julie, 28, was born in Binghamton, New York so she’s been an American since her birth.

“The kids went to grade school here and to university so it’s become home,” Holland said.

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MsRedWinger's avatar

Geez, George, when I saw the headline I thought maybe he met with Ozzie!

But that is an interesting bit of information.  Thanks.

cool smile

Posted by MsRedWinger from the State where Tigers roam in the Spring on 07/12/11 at 06:31 PM ET

SYF's avatar

Congrats, Mr. Holland.  Well-deserved.

Posted by SYF from A tall cool pint of Guinness on 07/12/11 at 09:47 PM ET

Wings_Fan_In_KC's avatar

Kahn is a f*cking dumbass.  When a Canadian citizen becomes a naturalized US citizen, they HAVE to renounce any and all ties to their previous country as part of the oath.  I’ve sat through several ceremonies (my wife, my parents-in-law, my sister-in-law) and it’s the same every time.  When one renounces their Canadian citizenship as REQUIRED to do, they DO NOT then hold dual citizenship (at least in the USA) is a myth perpetuated by idiots who know nothing about the process and just repeat the misinformation. 

If a US citizen goes to Canada and applies for citzenship, I am not sure if they are required to renounce the US.  In that case it may be possible to hold “dual citizenship” but it is not in the cases of Stevie Y or Osgood, or Brendan Shanahan who was also naturalized a few years ago.

Posted by Wings_Fan_In_KC from ...somewhere southwest of The Motor City... on 07/14/11 at 12:52 AM ET

AndrewFromAnnArbor's avatar

they DO NOT then hold dual citizenship (at least in the USA) is a myth perpetuated by idiots who know nothing about the process and just repeat the misinformation.

As a dual national myself, I think you may want to read up on the difference between the letter of the law, the actual law, and State Department policy before you go calling anyone an idiot or f*cking dumbass:


And if you don’t want to trawl through it, here’s the gist—in order for that oath you’ve seen newly-minted US nationals take have any more than symbolic value, then the State Department would have to require a signed and notarized document in which the applicant has renounced previous citizenship to the relevant authorities in his/her previous country.  Since the State Department does NOT require such a document, and has no authority to strip Ken Holland of his Canadian citizenship, the oath is nothing more than mere words, and for the State Department to claim now or in the future that he is in fact not a Canadian national, they would have to prove in court that he took the oath WITH INTENT to relinquish his previous citizenship.  As any of the lawyers here can tell you, proving intent before a jury is pretty damn tough even when an actual crime has been committed.  The worst the State Department could do is strip Ken of his American citizenship, but again, they’d have to go through a rigorous procedure in court and cause themselves massive headaches with other naturalized Americans.  And, if like me, he could produce a signed and notarized statement that when he took the oath to take a new nationality, it was not his intent to relinquish his previous nationality, any court, whether north or south of the 49th Parallel, would have a hard time proving anything beyond what the document says.  Have the naturalized Canadians that you know actually officially renounced their Canadian nationality to the CIC (Citizenship and Immigration Canada), signing documents to that effect?  If not, they’re probably still Canadian nationals as well as American nationals.  If Holland, Yzerman, Shanahan, and Osgood never took that extra step, the same probably applies to them as well.

However, technically speaking, the term ‘dual national’ is a misnomer at best—there is no such codified law covering multiple nationality anywhere on most law books, and certainly not in the US.  It’s simple—Canada claims him as a citizen, as does the USA.  When he’s in the USA, he’s recognized as a US citizen, not as a foreign (Canadian) national.  When he’s in Canada, he’s recognized as a Canadian, not as a foreign (USA) national.

In any case, law aside, congratulations to Kenny, and frankly, as Americans, we’re privileged to welcome someone like him to our ranks.

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 07/14/11 at 07:30 AM ET

AndrewFromAnnArbor's avatar

Additionally, it would appear that CIC have no beef with Holland, Osgood, Shanahan, Yzerman, or any of the naturalized Americans you know taking that oath, as long as they took it after 1977:


So they’re still Canadian nationals (granted, it’s only a quick Googling, but it appears pretty conclusive), unless they went to the trouble of actually relinquishing their citizenship to CIC.

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 07/14/11 at 07:53 AM ET

AndrewFromAnnArbor's avatar

(Never argue with a guy whose avatar is a coat full of passports…)

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 07/14/11 at 07:54 AM ET

Wings_Fan_In_KC's avatar

Sprit of the law is where I was headed.  If you want to go all “laywer” and start citing legal passages and codes, anyone can find loopholes.

Kahn’s still a f*cking idiot.

Posted by Wings_Fan_In_KC from ...somewhere southwest of The Motor City... on 07/15/11 at 12:19 AM ET

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