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Ken Holland Will Not Lose Any Future Assets To Retain Players

from Ansar Khan of Mlive,

Red Wings general manager Ken Holland declined to comment Sunday on his protection list or explain his reason for exposing Mrazek, saying it does him no good since all the players will be back except one.

Holland confirmed he has no side deals in place with Vegas GM George McPhee, and it doesn't sound like he's inclined to do so.

"We had a tough year. We're trying to build our team," Holland said. "I'm not spending any future assets to hang onto players."

Leaving Mrazek exposed had more to do than with just his performance, but it still was the wrong decision from an asset management standpoint, if they lose him for nothing. Howard, who is 33 and has two years remaining on his contract at a $5.3 million cap hit, surely would not have been taken by Vegas. But the Golden Knights might roll the ice on Mrazek, either to keep or deal after the dust settles (teams losing a goalie to Vegas might look for a replacement).

It shows how far Mrazek has fallen from grace.

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damndog's avatar

Its truly mind numbing that Holland is still employed as a GM. Even the beat writers disagree with Howard being protected. You know shit is bad when the diggers see the light.

Posted by damndog from The Eastside of Detroit on 06/18/17 at 04:27 PM ET

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Here comes the media campaign to bash Mrazek’s character. Kid is ultra-competitive and has to sit silently while Holland and Blashill don’t actually operate a meritocracy. Pretty sure some of the kids like Mantha or AA, even a Tatar or Smith might sit around over a couple of beers and marvel at the stupid decisions this organization has made. I wonder if Smith ever talked shit about Kronwall being on the #1 PP despite no goals for 2 calendar years. I would. So Mrazek stormed off the ice when he expected to be named a starter. Big effen deal. I’m sure his teammates understood. At least it shows some fire. Instead we label the guy a cancer and are basically running him out of town now. The article clearly states that if Mrazek is NOT selected by Vegas we’ll be trying hard to trade him. Oh well. At this point I don’t give a shit about 2018. I hope a Howard-Coreau tandem leads to a bottom 5 finish, the end of Holland-Blashill, and the arrival of Dahlin. That’s basically the only excitement for 2018.

Posted by fatsavage on 06/18/17 at 04:42 PM ET

MOWingsfan19's avatar

Most of the contacts are unmoveable anyway.

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 06/18/17 at 05:07 PM ET

All American in MN's avatar

I guess my definition of a future asset is different than Ken’s.

Posted by All American in MN on 06/18/17 at 05:31 PM ET

Primis's avatar

Mrazek has yet to show he can bounce back.

In today’s NHL, flash-in-the-pan goalies are common.  There’s a little evidence Mrazek is among them, and that his flash has expired.  We don’t know yet though.

If Vegas wants to take a flyer, more power to them I guess.  There are a good 4 or 5 goalies I’d be eyeing first if I were them though (Subban in BOS especially).  If you believe MAF is a lock to go to Vegas, Fleury and Subban would be 2 of 3.  And then they’d look for someone that has experience still, but cheaper than Mrazek.

Cam Ward, at $3.3m for a year still, might be attractive as a bridge for them.  If Fleury gets hurt or falters, Ward could still step in.  Or Vegas may want to “starters” to split the load, knowing whoever is in goal will face heavy workloads.

I don’t see a ton of scenarios where Vegas takes Mrazek and passes up one of the other exposed players.  There’s only 3 goalie slots.

Posted by Primis on 06/18/17 at 06:06 PM ET

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“I guess my definition of a future asset is different than Ken’s.
Posted by All American in MN on 06/18/17 “

This!

Posted by damndog from The Eastside of Detroit on 06/18/17 at 06:13 PM ET

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Primis, if everything what you say regarding Mrazek not showing he can bounce back is true, still does not make sense to protect a goalie Vegas will not take in 99.9% of cases.

Posted by VPalmer on 06/18/17 at 06:32 PM ET

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For the record, Holland exposed several “future assets”—Mrazek, Sheahan, Nosek, and Ouellet—in order to protect players who won’t be taken (Abdelkader, Howard, probably DeKeyser).

Posted by captaineclectic on 06/18/17 at 06:39 PM ET

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Posted by Primis on 06/18/17 at 07:06 PM ET

This.

Primis, if everything what you say regarding Mrazek not showing he can bounce back is true,
still does not make sense to protect a goalie Vegas will not take in 99.9% of cases.

How does it not make sense?  If it’s true, and Holland doesn’t trust Mrazek to bounce back then what possible reason would have for protecting him?

We know through anecdotal evidence that Holland has tried to move one of his goalies several times. If nobody wants your goalies, you can’t force somebody into a trade, so the smart thing to do now is to protect the goalie you trust, because even if there’s a 99.9% chance he doesn’t get picked, what if he does get picked?  Then you’re stuck with the goalie you don’t trust and that you protected for reasons that don’t make any sense.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 06/18/17 at 06:42 PM ET

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KH trusts Howard or just likes him as a person more than Mrazek?
Both goalies have huge question marks, but I personally cannot see how expecting Howard to even come close to last season numbers and stay healthy is smart. Last season his numbers were way better than previous 8. You give Mrazek another year and then you can make a decision on him.

Posted by VPalmer on 06/18/17 at 06:58 PM ET

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We know through anecdotal evidence that Holland has tried to move one of his goalies several times. If nobody wants your goalies, you can’t force somebody into a trade…

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 06/18/17 at 07:42 PM ET

This is true. Kenny has been trying. But what we DON’T know is what he’s been asking for in return. This is the key. Based on his previous trades we can pretty safely infer that Kenny overvalues his players and likely asks for way more than they are worth. It took him 2 years of trying to trade Kindl before it finally sunk in that the return would be a 6th round pick and that’s ONLY if I eat salary. We also know that Phoenix just proved that a 35-year old Mike Smith can be moved despite the glut of decent UFAs available. Notice Phoenix was willing to eat some of SMith’s salary to make this happen. I wonder how Kenny would have reacted if the Flames offered a 3rd, conditionally raised to a 2nd if Kenny was willing to eat $1M on Howard? He’d probably hang up the phone and mutter something about a 2-time All-Star.

So yeah. Bottom line. I don’t care if Kenny says he’s been trying to trade a goalie. Until we know if he had a reasonable asking price then this is meaningless. If someone said they were trying for years to sell a 2009 Civic without any luck would you conclude it’s a piece of junk that nobody wants? Or would you suggest that my asking price of $150,000 is a tad too high?

Posted by fatsavage on 06/18/17 at 07:52 PM ET

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God people, they fired Bedard and hired Mrazek’s goalie coach from GR to give him every edge,  and Howard STILL was the goalie that bounced back instead and outplayed him.

DET went to some lengths to help Mrazek succeed, and he hasn’t yet.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Posted by Primis on 06/18/17 at 07:55 PM ET

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I wonder if Holland knows Las Vegas will not be choosing Peter. No need to make a deal. In which case they’d be more likely to “expose” petr to try to send him a message to wake up.

Posted by TreKronor on 06/18/17 at 08:37 PM ET

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I wonder if Holland knows Las Vegas will not be choosing Peter. No need to make a deal. In which case they’d be more likely to “expose” petr to try to send him a message to wake up.

Posted by TreKronor on 06/18/17 at 09:37 PM ET

For a guy with some fragile confidence that isn’t sure where he stands in the organization…wouldn’t protecting him be a public declaration re-confirming that we still see you as our goalie of the future? If I’m Mrazek, that would reassure me and motivate me. Leaving me unprotected just makes me more bitter at the stupidity and ongoing favouritism.

Posted by fatsavage on 06/18/17 at 08:55 PM ET

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He said that a few days ago, good job Khan.

Holland is in far over his head. Other teams are dealing with Vegas, they must be messed up.  Keep your old over paid turds, the KH way

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 06/18/17 at 08:56 PM ET

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Posted by Primis on 06/18/17 at 08:55 PM ET

Makes sense to me.  I think everyone was hoping Mrazek was the goalie of the future.  Doesn’t seem like he worked out now.  Time to move on.

Posted by bigdee89 from The Great White North Eh? on 06/18/17 at 09:00 PM ET

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I’m a pretty surprised how fast some are willing to give up on Mrazek.

It is possible that with Holland it is about personal trust.

It’s also worth remembering as I posted on the last long thread:
Holland at least says he’s trying to get back into the playoffs.
If he personally trusts Howard more to accomplish that then
that might be one of his main criteria.

Mrazek is still young and has had a down period after proving
spectacular and clutch not so long ago and at every level before.
For whatever reasons, maybe ones he is responsible for, the team
hasn’t appeared to support him much in public at least.

The ironic impact of hiring his goalie coach is still a mystery to me.

One other thought: a good manager understands what motivates different employees.
Not everyone is the same. If Howard were exposed and Holland had a respectful sit down with
him to explain why, I could see that lighting a fire under Jimmy. I’m not sure
Mrazek is the same way. Not so long ago confidence and resilience were two of his
greatest strengths.

Holland does seem to increasingly be in the a different league/world than most of his peers.

Posted by Lefty30 on 06/18/17 at 11:01 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Holland and Blashill don’t actually operate a meritocracy.
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Only in regards to goalie performance.

Posted by RWBill on 06/19/17 at 08:00 PM ET

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