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Ken Holland On The Trade Deadline

from Ansar Khan of Mlive,

A source said they also have interest in defenseman Andrew MacDonald of the New York Islanders, who leads the NHL in blocked shots. He is certain to be dealt as a rental; he’s in the last year of a deal earning just $550,000.

“We’re set in goal,” Holland said. “With the development of (Tomas) Jurco, (Gustav) Nyquist, (Tomas) Tatar, (Riley) Sheahan, -- if you have a healthy (Johan) Franzen, (Pavel) Datsyuk, we expect to get (Stephen) Weiss back next week – we feel up front (they’re set).

“Tonight (at Montreal) we’re going to sit out veteran players who could play in the NHL. I don’t know that I can make a deal that there’s many players out there that are better than those forwards.”

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added 1:58pm, via Anthony French of the Detroit Free Press,

“He’s good to go,” general manager Ken Holland said this morning.

Datsyuk, 35, has been battling a left knee issue that kept him out of action with the Wings for more than a month before the Olympics but didn’t keep him from starring for the home team in Sochi. He tallied six points — including three goals — in five games.

“He was very good,” Holland said. “I thought he was very good. I think the issue he’s got is something he’s just going to have to play through.”

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FYI, reports are the Islanders want a 1st round pick plus more for MacDonald.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/26/14 at 02:55 PM ET

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“Tonight (at Montreal) we’re going to sit out veteran players who could play in the NHL. I don’t know that I can make a deal that there’s many players out there that are better than those forwards.”

And that’s YOUR fault, Ken.  YOU were the only one that HAD to have those veteran forwards you are now sitting and can’t move.

Posted by Primis on 02/26/14 at 02:57 PM ET

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FYI, reports are the Islanders want a 1st round pick plus more for MacDonald.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/26/14 at 01:55 PM ET

Garth Snow also wants compensation for Tavares so…. he’s a moron.

Posted by Primis on 02/26/14 at 02:58 PM ET

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And that’s YOUR fault, Ken.  YOU were the only one that HAD to have those veteran forwards you are now sitting and can’t move.

I’m not sure he cares. I think he likes he can bring in a Bert or Eaves if needed. He might regret Tootoo and Sammy but they aren’t up here anyways.

They need help on D for sure. If they want a #1 for MacDonald no thanks. I bet they get it though. That cap hit for him? People will be falling all over themselves to call Garth “Who’s gonna pay for tickets now?” Snow.

Posted by tmoore4075 on 02/26/14 at 03:01 PM ET

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Well, Wings have a history of trading away first round picks if they don’t get the player they initially wanted or they don’t think the draft is going to be all that deep as it was last summer when they drafted for Anthony Mantha - and they drafted down to get him.

Posted by SYF from Zata's Epic Viking Beard on 02/26/14 at 03:04 PM ET

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Here’s my question, why can’t Holland make a meaningful trade, and why shouldn’t we expect one?  Be freaking creative for a change. 

This team has an absolute logjam of young NHL Dman, and a crop behind them as well.  He has more centers available over the next 3-4 years than he can possibly play when healthy, and he has a ton of capspace next season to use when these slugs he signed leave, and I would expect him to pick up some kind of free agent of some impact further pushing starting rosters spots down.  So why not package up some existing youth and prospects for a true #2 dman or top end forward?  I’m not advocating a fire sale, and overpaying for a rental, I’m talking about a deal to bring a quality top tier talent that would be under our control for a few years, using a handful of budding talent we have too much of.

The one thing we should understand is that NHL GMs are dumb folk at times, let’s take advantage of that for a change.

Posted by MurrayChadwick on 02/26/14 at 03:09 PM ET

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MacDonald is a good defenseman who is going to get severely overpaid in free agency this summer. He’d be a fine fit for the Wings but one drawback is he’s another god damn left handed shot.

Posted by SK77 on 02/26/14 at 03:11 PM ET

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Holland did give up a 1st rounder for Quincey
Just sayin’

Posted by George0211 on 02/26/14 at 03:17 PM ET

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I doubt Ken deals this year’s first round pick. I am pretty sure it won’t get dealt, unless he gets a major player. With the prospect of getting into the lottery, I think he sees serious value in that thing. Could be the Wings’ highest pick in 20 years. How is this year’s draft class, overall? Anyone know? Is it deep on high-end talent?

Regarding McDonald, that first round pick + ...what about some good prospects instead?

Posted by VitoLambruski on 02/26/14 at 03:18 PM ET

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I think I will let the words once spoken by a member of the Hockey Hall of Fame express my opinion on this topic.

“As long as Jimmy Devellano is the general manager of the Detroit Red Wings, we will NOT trade a draft choice.”

Posted by Down River Dan on 02/26/14 at 03:23 PM ET

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Here’s my question, why can’t Holland make a meaningful trade, and why shouldn’t we expect one?  Be freaking creative for a change. 

Posted by MurrayChadwick on 02/26/14 at 02:09 PM ET

I’d bet, if you looked at the trade deadline deals vs. offseason deals, that the offseason deals routinely have lower price tags, relatively speaking. Now, that’s a very difficult thing to quantify, because it is very difficult to look back at a trade and asset it as it was assessed at the time of the trade. Hindsight is 20/20 and what would appear to be a reasonable trade at the time may look foolish now. Anyways, the time for making a “hockey trade” is probably better off in the offseason. That’s why your statement is difficult to get behind.

Posted by VitoLambruski on 02/26/14 at 03:26 PM ET

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DETROIT – The Detroit Red Wings today assigned defenseman Ryan Sproul to the AHL’s Grand Rapids Griffins. Additionally, Detroit removed right wing Johan Franzen from injured reserve. Franzen is expected to return to the lineup as the Red Wings take on the Montreal Canadiens tonight at 7:30 p.m.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/26/14 at 04:24 PM ET

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I like our team.  Plus, don’t forget, getting Zetterberg and Krupp back (no puns intended) will be our deadline moves.

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 02/26/14 at 04:28 PM ET

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So why not package up some existing youth and prospects for a true #2 dman or top end forward?  I’m not advocating a fire sale, and overpaying for a rental, I’m talking about a deal to bring a quality top tier talent that would be under our control for a few years, using a handful of budding talent we have too much of.

The one thing we should understand is that NHL GMs are dumb folk at times, let’s take advantage of that for a change.

Posted by MurrayChadwick on 02/26/14 at 02:09 PM ET

Who is on the market as a legit #2 d-man?  The guys even rumored to be out there all are questionable as to how valuable they’d actually be to the Wings.

And Ken Holland has been the Dumb Folk in moves as of late.  The dumb signings, the dumb Quincey trade…

Posted by Primis on 02/26/14 at 05:12 PM ET

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Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 02/26/14 at 03:28 PM ET

Good to see you, MC. Hope all is well for you on your end. smile

I’m just happy Hockey is back. Go WINGS!

Posted by RorSchach from Datsberg on 02/26/14 at 05:33 PM ET

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1. Stamkos is the far better player.
2. It should have been Giroux and Couture, had he been healthy, over St. Louis.  I am judging solely on who was already selected, talent margin between the players, ability to play 5-on-5, PK, PP, center and right (Giroux) or left (Couture) wing, and the desire to have the 13th forward, who dressed at the Olympics, be able to take faceoffs in case of injury without messing up the other forward lines. 

Giroux or Couture could have stepped right in on any line, had there been an injury, while St. Louis could only play 1 position and wouldn’t kill penalties.

Those guys deserved it over Marty.  Politics and his request for a trade got St. Louis on that team, no question about it.  Fortunately, that team was so good it didn’t matter.  Nice to see him get carried off with the gold, though.

Posted by jkm2011 on 02/26/14 at 05:39 PM ET

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And Ken Holland has been the Dumb Folk in moves as of late.  The dumb signings, the dumb Quincey trade…

Posted by Primis on 02/26/14 at 04:12 PM ET

I mainly blame Holland for not throwing EVERYTHING he had, even 8.5mil a season for Ryan Suter when he had the chance. I think Holland was trying to acquire both Parise and Suter, but Holland should have known our D was going down hill…

Posted by Pasha1277 on 02/26/14 at 05:53 PM ET

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Posted by jkm2011 on 02/26/14 at 04:39 PM ET

Stamkos is irrelevant.  He was injured and didn’t play.  Not to mention that nobody is suggesting St Louis should’ve been chosen over Stamkos.

St Louis plays 9 seconds per game more on the PK than Giroux and 2 seconds per game less than Couture.  Do you really want to pretend that’s significant?

Good point about Couture and Giroux being able to play centre, because as we all know it was a huge disadvantage for Team Canada to only have eight centres on the team.  Maybe if they had brought Giroux or Couture they would’ve been awarded a slightly larger gold medal instead of the normal-sized one they earned.

Posted by Garth on 02/26/14 at 06:11 PM ET

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Hey Vito,  Brad Stuart.  Just saying.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 02/26/14 at 07:51 PM ET

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This team has an absolute logjam of young NHL Dman, and a crop behind them as well.  He has more centers available over the next 3-4 years than he can possibly play when healthy, and he has a ton of capspace next season to use when these slugs he signed leave, and I would expect him to pick up some kind of free agent of some impact further pushing starting rosters spots down.  So why not package up some existing youth and prospects for a true #2 dman or top end forward?  I’m not advocating a fire sale, and overpaying for a rental, I’m talking about a deal to bring a quality top tier talent that would be under our control for a few years, using a handful of budding talent we have too much of.

Excellent post. Holland has young players to deal before the trade deadline since Zetterberg is on LTIR, and he also has the Cap space. He can deal before the deadline and/or this summer.

Posted by bigfrog on 02/26/14 at 08:24 PM ET

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I like our team.  Plus, don’t forget, getting Zetterberg and Krupp back (no puns intended) will be our deadline moves.

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 02/26/14 at 03:28 PM ET


grin

Posted by stonehands-78 from the beginning ... a WingsFan, on 02/26/14 at 08:49 PM ET

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At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I

1) agree that, given what’s likely out there, Holland should not move the 1st rounder (or Anthony Mantha); and I

2) think that there are guys available for second-round picks or lower and/or non-top-prospects who could contribute to our defense, both now and in 2014-2015.  It’s not as though we need a Shea Weber here.  To be a material upgrade one only has to be a better fit for present needs than Quincey, Smith, or Kindl which is not an insuperable bar.  (I have no quarrel with Lashoff who I think is a good player for his salary—I just think that makes him tradeable.)

Any deal that involved moving Kindl or Lashoff off the roster, along with a pick or prospect (not Mantha, not currently on roster), and gets in return someone who BOTH

1) Is under contract or likely to resign with us to take Quincey’s spot next season AND EITHER

a)  Can produce on the power play where Kindl and Smith cannot, OR

b) Can, paired with Smith (or Kindl, or, hypothetically, Sproul/Ouellett/Almqvist) provide sufficiently conservative, stay-at-home play to trust the pairing for 20 minutes a night without racking up ugly minus numbers or possession numbers and without requiring zone start sheltering and play against only sub-par competition

is a good deal.  I don’t know how many of these guys there are but I do not think it’s zero.

Posted by captaineclectic on 02/27/14 at 07:39 AM ET

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St. Louis was not going to play on the PK for Team Canada, regardless of his numbers for Tampa.  Giroux or Couture would have.  A team can never have enough centers, Babcock knows that better than anyone. 

Tavares was hurt, Duchene stepped in.  OK, that’s fine, but there wasn’t another center who could have stepped in if another injury would have happened without disrupting the other lines.  That was the point, not how many centers were on Canada. 

Would you want to move Benn off the dominant Getzlaf line?  Or take Canada’s best defensive forward off of the otherwise weak defensively Crosby line?  Would you want to move Sharp to center instead of where he’s much more valuable, on the wing?  Would you want to break up the best line of the tournament in Marleau-Toews-Carter?  None of these were good choices for Babs.

The point was line disruption, chemistry disruption, something you don’t want to happen in the medal round.  St. Louis was not the right fit for that team no matter how you slice it and wouldn’t have been there if not for Yzerman.

Posted by jkm2011 on 02/27/14 at 09:19 AM ET

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St. Louis was not going to play on the PK for Team Canada, regardless of his numbers for Tampa.  Giroux or Couture would have.

Oh would they have?  And how, dear sir, do you suggest that you could possibly ever know that?

I mean, the fact that they were left off the team and weren’t even the first players considered for injury replacement, how can you even pretend to think they would be playing on special teams?

Your argument is so baseless and full of sh*t, it’s almost unbelievable that you think it holds any water.

Posted by Garth on 02/27/14 at 09:47 AM ET

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It should have been ... Couture ... (Couture) ...Couture

This is a lot of hand-wringing over Couture, who was injured.  It’s extremely likely he’d have been on the team if healthy.

Posted by captaineclectic on 02/27/14 at 03:23 PM ET

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