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Ken Holland appears on TSN 1050

Red Wings GM Ken Holland appeared on TSN 1050's Leafs Lunch on Friday, suggesting that the Red Wings will spend the next 10-15 games evaluating whether the team can make a playoff push, or whether the Wings will have to move into "sell" mode. At this point, Holland does not feel that the Wings are "out of the hunt" completely...

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At this point, Holland does not feel that the Wings are “out of the hunt” completely…

He’s right, the Wings are only five points behind the Bruins. Never mind that the Bruins have two games in hand, that doesn’t matter.

As long as the Wings can win one out of every 12 or 13 games, they’ll be fine!

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 12/15/17 at 02:14 PM ET

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His firing won’t come soon enough.

Half the league has a negative goal differential so yeah technically even bad teams have still the playoff pipe dream this time of year. The salary cap, bettman, radical rules have ruined this league and yes to many effing teams in the league= pure greed.
Trade Green you idiot for some draft picks.

Posted by Slumpy from Under My Wheels on 12/15/17 at 02:18 PM ET

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He is delusional.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 12/15/17 at 02:25 PM ET

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The last time I checked, in order to be a seller, you have to have a buyer. Unless he decides to hold a fire sale, you have to ask what Holland would be willing to deal outside of Mike Green that would bring much in return?

Posted by WingDingy on 12/15/17 at 02:30 PM ET

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This guy is a complete moron. How can you compare points while ignoring games in hand?

Here’s the simple reality…Boston is 5 games over .500, while we are 2 games under .500. They have a +2 goal differential while we are minus 19. That is not being in the mix. That’s already a wide chasm. Tampa is +42 in case anyone actually remembers what it’s like to have any possibility to win a Stanley Cup.

I also like his comment about needing 90-95 points to make the playoffs. Haha. Last year the wild card teams in the East had 102 and 95 points. The year before was 100 and 96 points. And the year before that was 99 and 98 points. But somehow 90-95 points should get it done? The sad thing is this took me 2 minutes to look up, whereas I doubt he’s even invested 2 minutes of his time to fact-check. He probably remembers the days when we didn’t have loser points and 90-95 was a solid season. He’s clueless.

Posted by fatsavage on 12/15/17 at 02:35 PM ET

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For most of the guys he should be trying to trade it really doesn’t matter what the return is. The return is salary cap space and flexibility immediately and in the future.  A team that didn’t make the playoffs last year and isn’t going to make it this year should not be in a position where they will struggle to sign their young players.  Trying to trade Mrazek, who COULD be the goalie of the future and not Howard makes no sense. 

Trade 8, 43, 35, 25 for sure.  No matter what the return is.

Posted by jb61973 on 12/15/17 at 03:06 PM ET

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Trying to trade Mrazek, who COULD be the goalie of the future and not Howard makes no sense. 

Keeping the demonstrably and consistently worse of two goalies is exactly the type of thing Ken Holland should be fired for, on the spot, if he does it.

Trying to trade Mrazek, who has had chance after chance to stake his claim as the goalie of the future because he is not consistent enough to be a backup, much less a starter, is an absolute must.

The other must is trading Green.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 12/15/17 at 03:09 PM ET

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By the way, I could not disagree with Slumpy more on one point.  The game has never been better than it is now.  The speed and skill that the game is played with now is amazing.  It’s so nice to not have the clutching and grabbing that ruled in the 90s and 2000s.  It’s so nice to not have to watch guys who can barely skate getting 10 to 15 minutes a nice to be “enforcers”.

Posted by jb61973 on 12/15/17 at 03:10 PM ET

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Yeah, trade the 25 year old guy who has been worse at times but also better at times, including when he took the job from Howard a couple of years ago. Keep the guy who was in Grand Rapids when he was the same age as Mrazek. 

What you propose makes no sense.

Posted by jb61973 on 12/15/17 at 03:21 PM ET

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What are the chances of Howard ever winning another playoff series with this franchise? ZERO.

What are Mrazek’s chances? Greater than zero.

But the liklihood is that neither guy can succeed here. So I’d look to move whoever yields the best return. Since Mrazek is essentially a rental, with an interesting option to qualify him if he really impresses…then Mrazek is the guy with much more value right now. Howard has zero value, not to mention his NTC piece of candy.

Posted by fatsavage on 12/15/17 at 03:36 PM ET

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That’s a reasonable counterpoint Fatsavage. I think the Wings have driven Mrazek’s trade value down to basically zero anyway.  I would guess that Edmonton, a team that thinks it can compete for a cup this year or next, would rather have Howard. 

Posted by jb61973 on 12/15/17 at 03:41 PM ET

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They’re not completely dead;  only mostly dead.  There’s a big difference.

Posted by duhduhduh on 12/15/17 at 03:47 PM ET

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Chris Nichols of FanRag recapped the McKenzie talk on the Wings…

Now, Dylan Larkin is nailed down. He’s not going anywhere. He’s a fixture on that team.

“I don’t anticipate – it’s hard to know – we’ll get into the Henrik Zetterberg debate at some point, but with his contract and what have you and him being a seminal figure in Red Wing history, I don’t think that’s going to be something that necessarily happens.

“I don’t think he wants to wants to trade Anthony Mantha or Andreas Athanasiou because they’re young players and they’re good players, and they’re maybe not as good on some nights as you’d want them to be on a consistent basis, but they’re part of what they’re building there. No player is untouchable outside of Larkin, but you’d have to get an offer that would absolutely blow you away for those players, and I’m sure they’re worth more to Detroit than they are to anybody else…

“So what you’re really left with is there are some guys there that are on contracts that there is value for, whether it’s Tatar, whether it’s Nyquist. And yeah, they’ve got term left, but they’re 40-50 point hockey players who could help the right team under the right set of circumstances.

“But the real plum, if you will, as a rental – because he’s on an expiring contract – is defenseman Mike Green.”

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 12/15/17 at 04:02 PM ET

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Trade 8, 43, 35, 25 for sure.  No matter what the return is.

To trade 8 and 43, you would need to add a prospect or two or draft picks.

Posted by VPalmer on 12/15/17 at 04:04 PM ET

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True.  My point was that those are the guys he should be TRYING to trade.  And if it takes one of the 10 third round picks to get rid of one those contracts, then I think it’s worth it.  Abdelkader’s contract is an abomination.

Posted by jb61973 on 12/15/17 at 04:06 PM ET

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including when he took the job from Howard a couple of years ago.

So two years ago, Mrazek took the job from Howie. And Mrazek has done exactly what since then?

Posted by ilovehomers on 12/15/17 at 04:11 PM ET

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“Since that date, Mrazek is 26-32-11, with a 3.20 goals-against average and .897 save percentage.”

Petr went into last season, or the one before, as the undisputed #1 franchise goalie and played himself out of it.

His save percentage over the last season’s worth of games has not been acceptable since the 1990 season when Eddie Belfour started breaking the .900 mark.

Admittedly his games of late have been broken up without much chance of establishing consistency, but that is what goalies must be able to do when thrown into the rotation.

Teams have been passing on him so that should be another indication of his perceived value league wide by numerous scouts.

Posted by RWBill on 12/15/17 at 04:21 PM ET

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Well, He has struggled no doubt.  Then again, Howard hasn’t been consistently good either.  And Howard was in Grand Rapids when he was Mrazek’s age.  so, see there is a chance that Mrazek can grow into a better goalie than Howard IN THE FUTURE.  He’s already about equal. Howard is often better than Mrazek right now, but how good will he be when the Wings are contenders again?

Posted by jb61973 on 12/15/17 at 04:22 PM ET

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Can we just hold off on all the trade talk please? I might even just take my rotary phone off the hook for a little while. I need 10 or 15 more games to see what this team is made of. I guess this latest 1-5-5 run wasn’t enough evidence for me to see that we’re a terrible team. You can’t overreact especially since the PROCESS has been so good. But yeah, if we can play above .500 hockey for the next 10-15 games then we feel like we’re right back in the mix. This way, we can be playing meaningful games in March (not May-June), but March. We’re aiming for that 90-95 point range, even though over the last 3 years the average wildcard team has had 98.33 points. But who’s counting right.

So yeah. No trades for the next 10-15 games guys. If we go 1-13-1 over that span, then yeah, I’m going to kick some tires with Mike Green.

Posted by fatsavage on 12/15/17 at 04:26 PM ET

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I don’t understand the infatuation with Petr.  Anticipating him as a goalie of the future is a declaration of hope not data.  If I recall correctly, even on the Czech natational team he was number 2.

Posted by Ventr on 12/15/17 at 04:27 PM ET

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Posted by ilovehomers on 12/15/17 at 03:11 PM ET

Played behind an increasingly shitty defense that has shown statistically to play better in front of Howard.

Posted by Colin from Ken Holland's new yacht, "Incompetence" on 12/15/17 at 04:27 PM ET

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Posted by Colin from Ken Holland’s new yacht, “Incompetence” on 12/15/17 at 03:27 PM ET

I did like you pulling that data from last year….any chance you have that for this year? smile

I mean, it wont mean much because Mrazek does get the shit starts or mop up duty, but still.

Posted by ilovehomers on 12/15/17 at 04:29 PM ET

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Posted by ilovehomers on 12/15/17 at 03:29 PM ET

I don’t, and I don’t believe Mrazek has had played in nearly enough of a sample size to make any conclusions from it.

Personally, I think the move starts with Howard for Halak, and sweeten the deal to get their first.

Posted by Colin from Ken Holland's new yacht, "Incompetence" on 12/15/17 at 04:34 PM ET

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I know it’s been all anti-mrazek from me today. And if you asked me 2-3 years ago, yeah, Howie should have been gone in favour of Mrazek.

After all of this, despite Colin’s point about the team in front of him, Razr wasn’t even average last year. Ventr brings up the national team. Solid point. Edmonton skipped out on him for some reason (reportedly).

Maybe he’s already been figured out. And I trust the organization from that stand point, because they don’t lose real impact players. They lose bottom tier players or borderline NHL players.

Posted by ilovehomers on 12/15/17 at 04:42 PM ET

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Nobody is convinced that Mrazek is the goalie of the future but he has a chance to be.  Howard is 33 years old!  He will not still be playing when the Wings can contend again.  Mrazek may not be a starting goalie in this league, but it makes no sense to cut ties with him and keep Howard and his terrible contract around.

Posted by jb61973 on 12/15/17 at 04:45 PM ET

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And I trust the organization from that stand point, because they don’t lose real impact players. They lose bottom tier players or borderline NHL players.

We’ll just have to wait and see. Mrazek could go elsewhere and find his game, or he could just be a career backup. We don’t know, at age 25. And we will find out when he is with another team.

Posted by Ilovekermit on 12/15/17 at 04:53 PM ET

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I also like his comment about needing 90-95 points to make the playoffs. Haha. Last year the wild card teams in the East had 102 and 95 points. The year before was 100 and 96 points. And the year before that was 99 and 98 points. But somehow 90-95 points should get it done?

To be fair, right now the team on pace for the 2nd wildcard (Rangers) are tracking for 93 points.  Of course, the Wings are on pace for 77.

To trade 8 and 43, you would need to add a prospect or two or draft picks.

^This.  The assets with some value are #14 & #21 (hopefully)

Posted by EthrDemon on 12/15/17 at 04:56 PM ET

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Good grief is it hard to listen to Holland talk. If you didn’t know he’s a “premier” general manager for a premier professional sports team you’d think he’s the captain of the local beer league hockey team talking aboot his team. Ooooffff…..

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 12/15/17 at 04:56 PM ET

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To be fair, right now the team on pace for the 2nd wildcard (Rangers) are tracking for 93 points.

THANK YOU.

Posted by ilovehomers on 12/15/17 at 04:57 PM ET

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To be fair, right now the team on pace for the 2nd wildcard (Rangers) are tracking for 93 points.

THANK YOU.

Posted by ilovehomers on 12/15/17 at 03:57 PM ET


buhhhhhhhtttttt…..FS said it was 102 points!!!!!!!

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 12/15/17 at 05:19 PM ET

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buhhhhhhhtttttt…..FS said it was 102 points!!!!!!!

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 12/15/17 at 04:19 PM ET

No, he didn’t.

Would you please stop trolling somebody who has repeatedly said he has you on ‘ignore’?

Thanks.

Posted by Steve in San Francisco on 12/15/17 at 10:41 PM ET

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