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Ken Holland appears on the NHL on Sirius XM Radio with ‘Simmer and Stellick’

Red Wings GM Ken Holland appeared on Sirius XM's NHL Network Radio channel, speaking with Simmer and Stellick regarding the Wings' struggles over the course of a 15-minute interview this morning:

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I was listening live.  From his tone, it almost sounded like he just got fired.  He was really really down.

He also reiterated his uber-conservatism for how he’s going to handle the team.  When asked about whether a top pair defensemen was available via trade and who on his team would constitute the untradables, he says that that’s an after-the-season question.  When he was discussing how he’s going to prepare the team for the expansion draft, he says that he expects there to be some player movement after the season but prior to the expansion draft (which to me sounded like no proactive behavior during the season).

Nothing new, but no reason for any optimism here either.  He pointed out that that the Manthas, Athanasious, Larkins, Mrazeks, etc. have a few more years to get to the point where Zetterberg and Datsyuk showed their talent ceilings.  He iterated that Green is a top-15 defensemen (at least in scoring) in the league this year.  When pushed for why his team isn’t winning at home, isn’t scoring, he was flummoxed.

Another stretch of non-competitive games and I think even KH is going to give up on any dreams of keeping the precious streak alive.

Posted by The Meal from Longmont, CO on 12/16/16 at 12:18 PM ET

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Posted by The Meal from Longmont, CO on 12/16/16 at 12:18 PM ET

He is in full wait and see mode. He didn’t even mention “kicking tires” ??

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Posted by ilovehomers on 12/16/16 at 12:21 PM ET

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Life was so much easier when you inherit a foundation of hall of famers and hockey intellectuals and then lose them.  The Emperor wears no clothes.

Posted by bababooey on 12/16/16 at 12:27 PM ET

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What’s the point in kicking tires when there’s no engine in the car?

Posted by AZWinger on 12/16/16 at 12:32 PM ET

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This this current management group of late has been, to quote Jimmy Devallano, “... very, very, very disappointing.”

Posted by The_Firebird on 12/16/16 at 12:58 PM ET

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From his tone, it almost sounded like he just got fired.

dont tease

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 12/16/16 at 01:36 PM ET

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“You need stars”

That’s a great point, Kenneth! 

Who could’ve imagined that when you replace Marian Hossa with Jason Williams, Brian Rafalski with Ian White, Nick Lidstrom with Carlo Colaiacovo, and Pavel Datsyuk with Frans Nielsen, you wind up with a team without stars?  Who could’ve thought that if you use more than 20% of your salary cap on Darren Helm, Justin Abdelkader, Riley Sheahan, and Jonathan Ericsson, you won’t have the cap space to add stars?

This ship is sinking because for seven years Ken Holland has tried to patch every hole in the hull with a gorram bandaid.

For those who think Holland is “loyal”, consider that Zetterberg signed his extension in 2009, and, but for a couple draft picks that have turned out ok, and maybe Mike Green, has not seen a single significant step taken to make this team compete for another Cup in the intervening period.  Not one.  He will retire with one Cup despite giving his entire career to this team, and will likely miss the Hall of Fame.

That’s what Holland’s “loyalty” looks like.

And there is zero accountability here.  None.

 

Posted by captaineclectic on 12/16/16 at 02:08 PM ET

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The only thing I don’t agree with all this is this sense that he could have done much different.  Some of the posters here wish they would have blown it up years ago, and that’s really the only thing I can see that would have been different.  Other than that, it’s inferred he’s messed up the team with contracts (many of which were only recently, and I also disagree wtih in general), and missed out on all these stars, great free agency signings, great trades, that put them in this predicament.  Yes, they replaced those former/current stars with not stars, but what would you suggest could have been different?  Star players RARELY get traded, and he kept the team competitive into the declining years of our stars….. other than a few trades that 29 other teams missed out on those players…. and a few stars that made it to free agency like Suter and Parise…. I guess I don’t see how this could have been avoided without mroe luck in the draft.  Short of tearing it down, I think he did an ok job “attempting” to remain relevant.  It was clear a year ago it hadn’t worked, so where I disagree is that we are still trying to do that.  I think it was debatable to blow it up a few years ago…. it is no longer debatable.  To think this team is turning things around without some high picks, is fairly low percentage i think at this point.

Posted by DieByTheWing on 12/16/16 at 03:26 PM ET

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We’ve been through this.  I can point out 20 things he could’ve done differently, and MurrayChadwick or someone will just say that’s “hindsight.” 

I mean, anyone can say star players (or star defensemen) are rarely traded but like 10 top-pairing defensemen were traded since Rafalski left—we just didn’t make the moves.  We missed Burns, infuriating Babcock, missed Yandle (twice, right?), missed Boychuk, etc. 

The point is, he’s failed.  He hasn’t made moves that would’ve helped and the moves he did make didn’t help.  Many of the draft picks he’s held on to turned into players we lost on waivers or will lose soon enough. 

Too conservative.  Too ineffective.  Too bad.

Posted by captaineclectic on 12/16/16 at 03:32 PM ET

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See I disagree… those guys are complimentary… lots of people didn’t even want Yandle…. and on top of it, he was traded for Duclair,,...so you can only imagine it would have been like AA or worse to get him…. would you do that deal? I wouldn’t.

Burns is the only one, and he’s only recently become in the last 2 years what he is…before that, they couldnt’ even decide if he should be a forward or a D man…. but again, if you can count on one hand, hell, I’ll give you 2 hands, the guys we “should” have got, every other team wanted those guys in general…. so I don’t think it’s ON Holland or he’s sh*t because he couldn’t get him…. lets try and be realistic. 

Boychuck and Leddy?  Sure, I would have liked those guys…. but if you think we’re a much different team with those guys than we currently are, I’m not sure we agree.  Maybe we’d make the playoffs for one more year but we’d still be miles away from being a contender.

Its only my opinion, but I think you had two alternatives…do what Holland has been trying to do…or blow it up 4 years ago give or take.  In hindsight, or of perhaps differing opinions or perceived belief of what COULD have been done, then sure, you could have altered course slightly over the last 4 years, but hardly any of it would have drastically changed the result we have now. 

Is the cap a problem… yes and no…. it’s definitely crappy, but again, unless you have a different use for the money, ti really doesn’t matter all that much.  My only thought here was it would have been better to do what financially well off losing teams do, and take crappy bloated contracts for prospects, nstead of signing our own crappy bloated contracts.  But even there… we might have a Teravainen or something…but even those trades have been far and few, or we would have more midling prospects like we do now already.

Posted by DieByTheWing on 12/16/16 at 03:38 PM ET

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They can get rid of Holland tomorrow, I don’t really care… it’s probably time for a new vision and new voice… but I certainly don’t agree he’s a crappy gm or incompetent like so many suggest.  He tried something, and it hasn’t worked.  Now, the fact he keeps trying it…. is a bit disconcerting, but I can also see the reasons he doesn’t.  But how much is Blash, and how much is talent… I truly believe a lot of this is on Blash or players not listening to him or what not…. but it is VERY hard to watch the wnigs play right now, and it would be worth it to start making changes just because that.

Posted by DieByTheWing on 12/16/16 at 03:41 PM ET

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Life was so much easier when you inherit a foundation of hall of famers and hockey intellectuals and then lose them.  The Emperor wears no clothes.

Posted by bababooey on 12/16/16 at 12:27 PM ET

Amen!

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 12/16/16 at 04:00 PM ET

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Holland is probably coming to the realization that he HAS to fire Blashill soon to get the heat off him. He should have done it after the Arizona game and now he’ll probably wait for the end of the road trip. There just aren’t many cards left to play for him.

Posted by evileye on 12/16/16 at 04:52 PM ET

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Holland chose Franzen over Hossa.  That’s all I need to know.

Posted by WingDingy on 12/16/16 at 07:16 PM ET

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KH would regain some of my respect if he fired Blashill while there is still a reasonable chance that the team can get back in the race. If he waits till the next road trip is over, it will be way too late.
The team is not playing for Blashill….that’s a fact. The older vets are not pulling their weight….that’s a fact. Z is trying but is not the player he was and is not the kind of captain this team needs right now.
Kronwall is hobbled and will never get back to being a complete reliable D man.

Posted by NewfieWing on 12/17/16 at 12:30 PM ET

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