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Hotstove and Friedman report that the NHL’s new realingment plan would put the Red Wings in the East

George here...I was watching the Red Wings-Predators game when Paul informed me that the Satellite Hotstove crew on Hockey Night in Canada discussed realignment, and Elliotte Friedman, the Red Wings would find themselves in the Eastern Conference!

According to Friedman, the NHL's run the following four "conferences" by every NHl team, and will present the following plan to the GM's shortly--and we will post the video of the Hotstove discussion when it's available (Paul will, I'm watching the game)...

Division A: Detroit, Boston, Buffalo, Florida, Montreal, Ottawa, Tampa Bay, Toronto

Division B: Carolina, Columbus, New Jersey, New York Rangers, New York Islanders, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington;

Division C: Chicago, Colorado, Dallas, Minnesota, Nashville, St. Louis, Winnipeg;

Division D: Anaheim, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Phoenix, Los Angeles, San Jose.

This is all preliminary stuff, but that's apparently the NHL's plan...And the imbalanced conferences will probably include a "wild card" playoff play-in.

added 9:10pm,



added 10:13pm, Watch the video of the Hotstove discussion.

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Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

Lil Gary does nothing for DET.  It’ll never happen.

But it’s be awfully fuching sweet if it was to.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 02/23/13 at 10:08 PM ET

Guy Legend's avatar

So wings fans would rather be with Toronto and Buffalo rather than Chicago and St. Louis? Adios to some classic rivalries.

Posted by Guy Legend on 02/23/13 at 10:21 PM ET

calquake's avatar

Chicago yes, St. Louis?  Not so much.  Better yet would be Toronto and Chicago.  Nothing against the Blues but the rivalry runs deeper with Toronto and Chicago.

Posted by calquake from a.k.a. Uniquake, workin' on my manifesto on 02/23/13 at 10:26 PM ET

BrendonTO's avatar

So wings fans would rather be with Toronto and Buffalo rather than Chicago and St. Louis? Adios to some classic rivalries.
Posted by Guy Legend on 02/23/13 at 09:21 PM ET

Riiight…..because putting them with Toronto and Montreal would take away from us seeing classic rivalries. Good ole’ Blues fans, you guys really know your stuff!

Posted by BrendonTO on 02/23/13 at 10:30 PM ET

bezukov's avatar

So wings fans would rather be with Toronto and Buffalo rather than Chicago and St. Louis? Adios to some classic rivalries.

Posted by Guy Legend on 02/23/13 at 09:21 PM ET

I’ll take the classic rivalries with Montreal and Toronto over the Rent-a-Hawks and St. Lose any day.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 02/23/13 at 10:31 PM ET

Paul's avatar

So wings fans would rather be with Toronto and Buffalo rather than Chicago and St. Louis? Adios to some classic rivalries.

Posted by Guy Legend on 02/23/13 at 09:21 PM ET

Probably the right time for change. When playing a Western Conference team on the road, the only team in the same time zone is Columbus.  Wings fans have had their share of 10 and 10:30pm ET starts to last a lifetime.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/23/13 at 10:33 PM ET

Hootinani's avatar

No way B of Gs approve 4 original 6 teams in one division.  Other teams make big bucks off them coming to town

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 02/23/13 at 10:41 PM ET

Down River Dan's avatar

The only potential hole in this plan is the inevitably of a team back in Quebec City and another team in the greater Toronto area. The proposed new conferences already has 16 teams in the East and 14 in the West.

What happens when the coyotes get moved ?

Posted by Down River Dan on 02/23/13 at 10:46 PM ET

42jeff's avatar

Hell…put all SIX original teams in one division…..

Posted by 42jeff from The greater Howard City, MI metroplex on 02/23/13 at 10:54 PM ET

Paul's avatar

If you want to watch the Hotstove segment tonight, here it is.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/23/13 at 11:15 PM ET


What happens when the coyotes get moved ?

They move to Seattle!

Posted by timbits on 02/23/13 at 11:45 PM ET

cigar_nurse's avatar

4 original 6 teams in same division with a couple of Florida teams to go to in the teeth of a northern winter for a weather break? Sorry. Can’t see it happening.
Unless the NHL figures the Panthers and or Tampa relocate to Quebec or Toronto.  Then it looks very smart.

Posted by cigar_nurse from On The mend for next season Greenville Pylons on 02/24/13 at 12:31 AM ET

d ca's avatar

I think almost everyone would:

trade the rivalry with the Hawks (Wings W363-L275-T84 in the reg season and 35—39 in the playoffs) FOR the rivalry with the Leafs (Wings W275-L276-T93 reg season and 59-59 in the playoffs).

trade the rivalry with the Blues (118-117-37 and 24-16) FOR the rivalry with the Habs (201-271-96 and 29-33)

and get Boston, Buffalo, and Tampa (with Stamkos and Hedman for years). I may be a little biased towards Tampa b/c I have family in that area and this will increase the likelihood that I can see a Spring Training game in Lakeland plus catch a Wings game in Tampa when I visit.

But make no mistake about this: Gary won’t have a choice as the revenue generation and TV ratings for Detroit playing Toronto, NYR, Boston, Montreal, etc in prime time in both markets will far exceed any losses with Chicago and St. Louis.

Then there’s the whole higher gates with driving possibilities (Detroit, Toronto, Buffalo) and (Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal) and (Boston, Montreal, Ottawa).

Posted by d ca on 02/24/13 at 01:27 AM ET


If it ends the whining, I am all for these changes.

Posted by timbits on 02/24/13 at 01:42 AM ET

Chris in Hockey Hell's avatar

I love this. More games against Toronto and Montreal and no more Nashville. This sounds way to damn good to be true.

Posted by Chris in Hockey Hell from Ann Arbor, MI but LIVING in Columbia, TN on 02/24/13 at 01:46 AM ET

Bugsy's avatar

Division B has the least amount of travel, looks like.

A quick thought. When’s the last time a Boston-Detroit game wasn’t good? The last few I can remember were good games, despite contrasting styles.

Posted by Bugsy on 02/24/13 at 03:03 AM ET

Hockeytown Wax's avatar

List looks good except for Tampa & Florida.

If they can figure out an acceptable way to even out the playoff odds the theres a simple answer to the problem ...


Eliminate Florida & Tampa as teams ... hold a dispersion draft ... expand rosters by 1 player ... adjust the salary cap to allow for the extra player.

Its the hard way to do it but maybe thats how Detroit gets Fleischmann back ... lol

Posted by Hockeytown Wax from West Bloomfield, Mi. on 02/24/13 at 04:35 AM ET

Chet's avatar

indeed. tampa bay? florida? that’s nonsensical…

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 02/24/13 at 05:02 AM ET

Slumpy's avatar

Why don’t they just make Toronto go back into our division which would evenly spilt the Original 6 teams between the two conferences.
I miss playing the Habs and Leafs often like they did in the glorious pre-bettman NHL but the idea they have now of lumping most the Original 6 team in same division (conference whatever) is just asinine. That would eliminate the chance of ever seeing a Wings vs Habs SCF. I already gave up on ever seeing a Wings vs Leafs final in my lifetime lol but I do miss those crazy arse waffle chucking fans.
‘66 last year Wings played the Habs in SCF and ‘64 Wings against Leafs.

Wales, Campbell Conference names still in the trash can? Ah bettman is so good for our sport vampire

Posted by Slumpy from Under My Wheels on 02/24/13 at 09:20 AM ET

MsRedWinger's avatar

I love it and, selfishly, I love Tampa Bay and Florida also.  I live in Florida and it would be great to have the Wings come down here a few times a season.

Posted by MsRedWinger from the State where Tigers roam in the Spring on 02/24/13 at 11:12 AM ET

Hippy Dave's avatar

Sounds like fudgie heaven.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 02/24/13 at 12:26 PM ET

redxblack's avatar

If it ends the whining, I am all for these changes.

Posted by timbits on 02/24/13 at 12:42 AM ET

Let’s be real - NOTHING will EVER end the whining on any sports blog. EVER. It’s what the passionate but impotent do. We whine. Embrace it.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 02/24/13 at 01:21 PM ET


Embrace it.

As long as it is a new whine, not the same ol’ “we get screwed, we travel too much, the games are too late, we deserve more, it isn’t fair, Bettman hates us”... wah, wah, wah…

Posted by timbits on 02/24/13 at 01:46 PM ET

Figaro's avatar

The Panthers can’t exist much longer, that arena is empty for every game.  Surely they’ll move to Canada to tighten up the travel in this division.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 02/24/13 at 05:54 PM ET


Why don’t they just make Toronto go back into our division which would evenly spilt the Original 6 teams between the two conferences.

Because nobody is complaining about the original six being evenly split between the conferences.

Posted by Garth on 02/24/13 at 06:33 PM ET

d ca's avatar


The NHL won’t move Toronto back for similar reasons to why Detroit wants to leave (travel, time zone issues, TV contract issues) and you can add Canadian rivalries (most notably with the Habs).

Toronto drives the NHL revenue and the NHL will do nothing to harm that. By moving Detroit: the NHL hopes to drive revenue growth and sellouts at the Air Canada Center and JLA (not to mention the Big House). There is also the added bonus of seeing 4 or the Original 6 in the same ‘conference’/division.

The Panthers have the best lease terms in the NHL in terms of yearly costs and the most expensive penalty clause to break the 30 year lease.

They pay $3 million a year on bond debt and $500k for advertising costs: the county’s hotel taxes cover the remaining 10M. The team also pays 20% of its profits above $14 million.. An auditor found that the local/state government paid $90M so far for the arena and only received $331k in profit-sharing.  The Arena Operating Co., the Panthers’ sister company that runs the arena posted $117.4 million in profits during that same time. Sponsorships generated 24M in 2009.

So while the Panthers may be losing money the corporate parent is still making money:

The building was built with a mix of private/public bonds (mostly public) AND a developer that agreed to cover any cost overruns of $184.7M—which is probably why it was the fastest arena built in the NHL taking less than 2 years from when ground was broken until games being played there. It was designed as a true multipurpose arena hosting sports (hockey, basketball,boxing, circuses, ice shows, indoor soccer, gymnastics, and arena football), concerts, meetings, and conferences therefore making hockey even less important to the county’s overall plan. It has 4 levels that have concessions/food services (vs the traditional one level design) and generates money as a restaurant cluster during the week. That all adds up to the Panthers being able to lose money and the owner still making money off the total venture.

Posted by d ca on 02/24/13 at 06:47 PM ET

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