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Holland On Trades And Buyouts

from Gregg Krupa of the Detroit News,

Holland said he is open to a trade, but many teams are in pursuit of highly ranked, offensive defensemen and not many are available.

He also said that while a buyout remains a possibility, he would prefer not to do one.

“When you start buying out people, you have a bunch of money tied up and you can’t put the player on the ice,” Holland said.

“How much better is the player you bring in? If he is only marginally better than the one you buy out, with the cost of the buyout, you’re not ahead of the game.”...

If in September or the first few months of the season the young ones prove their NHL worth, the Red Wings may be in a position to work a trade.

“We’ve tried to collect a lot of players so we have lots of depth,” Holland said. “If this player or that one does not work out, we have fallback positions.

“And if you have that and all of a sudden if something comes available, we are all in.

“If all those things look good on September 29, now we’re in a position to do something.”

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In other words, trading is hard.

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 07/25/16 at 07:49 PM ET

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Barf

Posted by Wings_in_NYC on 07/25/16 at 08:51 PM ET

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“We’ve tried to collect a lot of players so we have lots of depth,” Holland said. “If this player or that one does not work out, we have fallback positions.

This from (supposedly) one of the best GMs in the NHL? Hahahahahaha
Sad actually

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/25/16 at 09:01 PM ET

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Guys, it’s been obvious for awhile that there won’t be a trade.  This is our team.  Holland will do nothing. 

Like every summer, really.

Posted by captaineclectic on 07/25/16 at 09:07 PM ET

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http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/41032-Campbell-Brent-Burns-trade-moves-Sharks-closer-to-Stanley-Cup.html

ST. PAUL – The moment Mike Babcock learned the San Jose Sharks had acquired defenseman Brent Burns, he instantly got the look of a guy who’s team just let one get away.

His Red Wings are looking for a defenseman to replace the retired Brian Rafalski, but it was the playoff rival Sharks who pried the talented Burns away from the Minnesota Wild in a blockbuster trade.

“They just hit a home run,” Babcock said of the Sharks. “That’s a gold medal pick. I’m pissed off.”

That was five years ago. And here we are, still waiting on That Trade for That Defenseman.

THREE CHEERS FOR INCOMPETENCE!

Posted by Dont Toews Me Bro on 07/25/16 at 09:42 PM ET

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Jebus.

Delusion and apathy.

Posted by Mistercristo from Cameron Frye's garage, circa 1987 on 07/25/16 at 09:48 PM ET

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Which part, the general manager actually suggesting that he may—may—make some sort of trade in September, for the first time in what seems like forever, or the self-flagellation in the comments section?

Folks, I know that Kenny’s done nothing to earn fan confidence here, but even when he says something remotely positive, it’s woe and doom.

I don’t even want to post this comment because we’re a shoot-the-messenger bunch.

All is not lost. Eventually the man says he may have to make an actual trade, and a blind man has been known to hit the side of a barn when given enough paint and a brush.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/25/16 at 10:04 PM ET

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Oh how I wish I had some of the old WDFN drops Art Regner used to play. There is a great clip of Jimmy D that would be perfect to pist in response to Kenny’s statement.


Jimmy Devalono….“I’m flabbergasted! ....”

Art Regner,  are you out there????

Posted by Down River Dan on 07/25/16 at 11:14 PM ET

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Art works for WDET, the public radio station in Detroit, and he will moonlight on WDFN’s Matt Sheppard show from time to time, but as you all know, sports talk radio in Detroit ain’t what it used to be…

That’s another lament for another day.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/25/16 at 11:36 PM ET

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I don’t see any positivity here at all, just the first of three conversations about how we’re not making a trade.  It’s the same script from the 2014 offseason. 

1)  Holland no longer pretends to be pursuing a trade—now he is “open” to one.  A few weeks ago he was pursuing a trade, but it didn’t fall into place easily, so he’s back to “we like our team” mode.

2)  Remember, “many teams are in pursuit of highly ranked, offensive defensemen and not many are available”—i.e., trades are hard, never mind that we have the 30th most out of 30 teams in the cap era, by a laughably huge margin, suggesting that they’re particularly hard for us, but, heaven forbid anyone infer anything about Ken Holland from that;

3)  “If in September…” this is the annual “we’ll make a trade after free agency” which always turns into “the rest of July and August are a dead period, so that ‘after free agency’ trade will be a training camp trade”;—are we supposed to pretend we don’t notice this line?  It’s used every year;

4)  “...or the first few months of the season”—the acknowledgement that of course there will be no training camp trade.  The trade will come at the deadline or not at all, and it will be margin-tinkering.

The next conversation will be about how for young players (Athanasiou, Mantha) it’s better to play 20 minutes in Grand Rapids than six minutes on the fourth line. 

Even though we very nearly missed the playoffs in 2014 because of this exact combination of oversigning geriatric forwards, ignoring the blueline, and burying our promising young players, Holland apparently learned nothing. 

Posted by captaineclectic on 07/26/16 at 05:33 AM ET

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Folks, I know that Kenny’s done nothing to earn fan confidence here, but even when he says something remotely positive, it’s woe and doom.

I like you, George. I respect you. I appreciate the work you do. We wouldn’t have this forum of discussion without you. We wouldn’t have a lot of things without you.

That being said…

Come on, man!

Holland’s not saying something positive or progressive or promising here. He’s saying the same thing he’s been saying for the past half-decade, if not longer. It’s become clockwork; you could set your watch to his comments about [insert topic of choice]. He’s managing expectations. He’s setting the bar low for himself. He’s rationalizing. He’s making excuses. He’s being Ken Holland, saying Ken Holland things, doing Ken Holland things. He’s maintaining the status quo.

If Mike Babcock can say—to the press—that he’s steaming mad that we didn’t get Brent Burns, we can say—a whole five years later—that we’re steaming mad that the song remains the same. Sure, a blind squirrel can find a nut. But this team shouldn’t be run by a blind squirrel.

The system is broken. This team hasn’t won anything in years. Death to the status quo. Enough of this well-my-job’s-real-hard-because-there’s-29-other-people-who-want-the-same-thing-and-everyone-wants-Dylan-Larkin-and-I’m-just-trying-to-do-the-best-I-can-in-the-absence-of-a-hockey-store routine. Shit or get off the pot, Kenneth.

Posted by Dont Toews Me Bro on 07/26/16 at 05:35 AM ET

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Which part, the general manager actually suggesting that he may—may—make some sort of trade in September, for the first time in what seems like forever, or the self-flagellation in the comments section?

George, the guy has done nothing in nearly a decade to increase the chances of the Wings winning a Cup. He’s made fewer trades than literally any GM in the league. The UFAs he’s signed, when he’s able to sign any, have been second tier at best.

He’s re-signed current players to contracts widely scorned by not just us, but actual media and “experts” outside of Holland’s communication strategy working group (the diggers).

The best coach in hockey left because Holland couldn’t keep the cupboards even half-full.

Three of the best players of our generation had some of their best years wasted because Holland preferred stagnancy.  Maybe “preferred” isn’t the right term and maybe we can point to other factors other than Holland’s apathy as reasons big-name UFAs don’t come here anymore.  But the fact remains: his job is to keep this team competitive, highly competitive. It’s his job. 

He hasn’t done that. He’s not even mediocre. I’m tired of the hand-wringing and consternation over daring to voice our disgust with what he’s not done.

Jim Nill should be running this team. Steve Yzerman would be running this team if not for Holland’s refusal to allow it.  Now here’s what we have: Holland for a few more years then one of his passive lackeys (Ryan Martin, I suppose) as heir apparent.

His quotes reek of alibi. His sad-clown, “trades are hard” shrugs of the shoulders and “we kicked the tires” BS are the standard. 

Is that self-flagellation? If you say so. Call it what you want, but this team is not exceptional anymore. That blue line is far from it.  And only one person can and should be blamed.

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 07/26/16 at 05:35 AM ET

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all of a sudden if something comes available, we are all in.

Kind of like, if you’re at a gas station, and Marian Hossa’s agent calls and puts him in your lap, then you have to, kind of, act. Kind of like that.

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 07/26/16 at 05:42 AM ET

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(And, for the record, I would not be ok with Cam Fowler. He’s an overrated second-pairing defenseman. He wouldn’t be a meaningful improvement. We lost Rafalski and Lidstrom and we’ve done a whole lot of nothing to even begin to adequately address the resulting craters in our depth chart. Though, I did and do like the Mike Green signing.)

Posted by Dont Toews Me Bro on 07/26/16 at 05:42 AM ET

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Posted by Dont Toews Me Bro on 07/25/16 at 10:42 PM ET

Give Ken some credit on the Burns trade.  Back in 2011 we didn’t have any stud talent in our system like Devin Setoguchi.  He is truly one of the above-average players on HC Davos these days.

Posted by captaineclectic on 07/26/16 at 05:43 AM ET

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Think about it—that is a trade Holland would never have made.  Because Devin was a 24 year old who’d scored 20 goals once, and was six foot, 200 pounds, so he’s a guy who’d be in the NHL for 10-15 more years and thus “untouchable.”

Trades are hard.  They’re impossible when you overvalue your own assets and are paralyzed by fear of a mistake.

Posted by captaineclectic on 07/26/16 at 05:47 AM ET

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Give Ken some credit on the Burns trade.  Back in 2011 we didn’t have any stud talent in our system like Devin Setoguchi.  He is truly one of the above-average players on HC Davos these days.

True story.

Posted by Dont Toews Me Bro on 07/26/16 at 05:48 AM ET

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tough to argue w any of this. it’s just a good thing we’ve got mediocre forward depth. it’s clear that other GMs are salivating at taking 2 or 3 nonsense deals off our hands for a top pairing D, right?

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 07/26/16 at 05:49 AM ET

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No Holland fan, but I will say one thing.

No trade is probably better than a bad trade.

Who here has any faith in Kenny making a good trade?

Posted by Matt_in_MI on 07/26/16 at 06:37 AM ET

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Posted by Matt_in_MI on 07/26/16 at 07:37 AM ET

Well, what’s the logical conclusion of that thought?

Posted by captaineclectic on 07/26/16 at 07:11 AM ET

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Well, what’s the logical conclusion of that thought?

Posted by captaineclectic on 07/26/16 at 08:11 AM ET

We’re F%#@#‘d

Posted by Matt_in_MI on 07/26/16 at 07:19 AM ET

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No Holland fan, but I will say one thing.

No trade is probably better than a bad trade.

Who here has any faith in Kenny making a good trade?

Posted by Matt_in_MI on 07/26/16 at 07:37 AM ET

Then he should be FIRED

I don’t see any positivity here at all, just the first of three conversations about how we’re not making a trade.  It’s the same script from the 2014 offseason.

1)  Holland no longer pretends to be pursuing a trade—now he is “open” to one.  A few weeks ago he was pursuing a trade, but it didn’t fall into place easily, so he’s back to “we like our team” mode.

2)  Remember, “many teams are in pursuit of highly ranked, offensive defensemen and not many are available”—i.e., trades are hard, never mind that we have the 30th most out of 30 teams in the cap era, by a laughably huge margin, suggesting that they’re particularly hard for us, but, heaven forbid anyone infer anything about Ken Holland from that;

3)  “If in September…” this is the annual “we’ll make a trade after free agency” which always turns into “the rest of July and August are a dead period, so that ‘after free agency’ trade will be a training camp trade”;—are we supposed to pretend we don’t notice this line?  It’s used every year;

4)  “...or the first few months of the season”—the acknowledgement that of course there will be no training camp trade.  The trade will come at the deadline or not at all, and it will be margin-tinkering.

The next conversation will be about how for young players (Athanasiou, Mantha) it’s better to play 20 minutes in Grand Rapids than six minutes on the fourth line.

Even though we very nearly missed the playoffs in 2014 because of this exact combination of oversigning geriatric forwards, ignoring the blueline, and burying our promising young players, Holland apparently learned nothing.

Posted by captaineclectic on 07/26/16 at 06:33 AM ET

^^^ George, this is EXACTLY why we’re upset. It’s the same damn thing every year:
1. Acknowledge rather glaring defensive problems.
2. Say that you’re pursuing a trade.
3. “Trades are Hard” phase - reduce to Open to Trade Status.
4. Realize it takes talent to get talent, tell the fans you’re gonna go through camp and reassess things, maybe “pursue” a trade again.
5. “We Like our Team” phase - Somehow, magically, those same defensive problems are now resolved with NOTHING being done. Start saying that this is how we’ll start the season, and that “we like our team” and the fans should too.
6. When the season starts and the defensive dumpster fire resumes, start talking about a trade again around the all-star break.
7. Either make or don’t a trade for a washed up, marginal player who’s probably in his mid-late 30s with one year left on his contract that his original team was looking to dump anyway. (It’s funny because Kenny actually makes the rest of the league a little better with these trades).
8. Skate into the playoffs backwards, on fire, and battered.
9. Lose in the first round in 5 games twice out of the last 3 seasons.
10. Rinse, repeat.

Posted by Colin from Ken Holland's new yacht, "Incompetence" on 07/26/16 at 07:23 AM ET

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I’m actually happy with the forwards moving forward. I think we can have a pretty decent offense this year. I wonder if any of Oullett, Jensen, or Sproul can make an impact and possibly push an Ericsson down or out of the lineup.

I don’t expect KH to make a trade before the start of the season and personally I’d rather he avoid a Fowler. Barrie and Trouba would be my targets for improving the D but I just don’t see it happening.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 07/26/16 at 07:24 AM ET

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Everybody here knows the definition of insanity, right?

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/26/16 at 07:54 AM ET

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9. Lose in the first round in 5 games twice out of the last 3 seasons.

Posted by Colin on 07/26/16 at 08:23 AM ET

...and three times out of five.  Let’s not forget the 2012 disaster, where a President’s Trophy contender in the last year of one of our greatest players ever’s career careened off the rails following “we like our team” at the deadline.* 

As Babcock said, after our humiliating defeat at the hands of Nashville, the problem was that Nashville had seven top six forwards and we only had five. 

Six years later, we still don’t have six top six forwards, not really. 


*Yes, technically, we did make a trade—for Kyle Quincey, who was atrocious.  Speaking of Kyle, he must’ve signed some big expensive contract this offseason, because that’s how free agency works, right?  Mediocre players get long-term contracts?  So, where’d he sign?  What’s that?  Bueller?

Posted by captaineclectic on 07/26/16 at 08:20 AM ET

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My take is this, most of us have finally come to the realization that no trade will ever happen to fix the problem.  Not because those options aren’t available, but bc holland doesn’t have the stones to take the risk. That’s where the frustration is.  What was the ask for Myers again, something, something, plus Mantha?  Dealing Mantha was unthinkable to holland, well…  Worse, holland will continue to do whatever it takes to get to the playoffs knowing full well there is no way we get out of the first round. 

We actually had cap flexibility this offseason. But even that was wasted with the helm and Vanek deals.

I’m personally looking forward to the, ‘let’s see where this team stands at Thanksgiving before we make any decisions.’ 

This team doesn’t need to be gutted and lose its “winning culture”, but holland needs to accept what he has, suck for a few years and get some blue chip prospects and move forward with a new core.  That’s not happening; nor are trades to improve the d.  We are stuck in neutral.

Because of that, to me, the hope is gone.

Posted by All American in MN on 07/26/16 at 08:21 AM ET

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And also, CaptainE, you are on fire today! Great stuff.

One more thing, thanks for the hard work George!  None of this is directed at you.  We appreciate all the time and effort you put into keeping Wings related content (good, bad, and neutral) coming our way!

Posted by All American in MN on 07/26/16 at 08:26 AM ET

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Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/25/16 at 11:04 PM ET

Wasting your finger tip efforts George, your 110% right, there’s not a single thing wrong with what he said, frankly its what everyone else in the world of hockey is saying, but the crew here hates Holland, plain and simple, and any mention of his results in the same old cut and paste hate narrative from the same old posters.

Holland could be quoted at a Starbucks saying, well hot day, so I drink coffee iced, and it would illicit a page of negative feedback about his choice of light vs. dark brews, inability to find a good sweetener or use his reward points correctly.

Unfortunately, its just something your forum, and most Red Wing forums have turned into until the Wings draft and develop a top end blue line talent cause its not coming via trade or UFA there’s no magic Duncan Keith or Doughtery trees out there. You’ve been doing this long enough to know what the wings have, and when it might materialize, so get ready for a fun season of hate, cause haters gonna hate.

 

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 07/26/16 at 08:29 AM ET

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Let’s give Holland credit, impact defensemen are virtually never trades.  Since the Burns trade on June 24, 2011, no impact defensemen have been traded at all.

Well, I mean, Brian Campbell was traded later that same day.  But it’s just those two.

I mean, Christian Ehrhoff was traded three days later.  But that’s borderline.  And he was the last impact defenseman traded in 2011 unless you count 2011-vintage Tomas Kaberle.

And that was an unusual year.  Why, since then, no significant defensemen have been traded other than Lubomir Vishnovsky, JayBouwmeester, Mark Streit, Nick Leddy, Johnny Boychuk, Tyler Myers, Braydon Coburn, Dougie Hamilton, Seth Jones, Dion Phaneuf, Keith Yandle, Shea Weber, and PK Subban.

So, obviously, it’s impossible to acquire a defenseman via trade.

Posted by captaineclectic on 07/26/16 at 08:40 AM ET

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Let me simplify Kenny’s words in my own way:

“If I make this comment on something, then I need to immediately make this comment to cover my ass on that comment. Then by covering my ass on that comment, I can move forward to make a comment slightly different than the previous comment I just made. And therefore by covering my ass on those comments by making another comment I can shift the light of the comment into another meaning of the comment. In doing so, my comment will blend into any comment and blanket the entire comment with a comment summing all my comments up.”

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 07/26/16 at 08:42 AM ET

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Wasting your finger tip efforts George, your 110% right, there’s not a single thing wrong with what he said, frankly its what everyone else in the world of hockey is saying, but the crew here hates Holland, plain and simple, and any mention of his results in the same old cut and paste hate narrative from the same old posters.

Yes. You’re right. Ken Holland has neither said nor done anything wrong, ever. Every team is in the exact same situation at all times. Every team’s GM does exactly the same thing in any and every given situation. Given this self-evident truth, Why should we single Ken Holland out???

Ken Holland is doing the best he can, just like any other GM!

He signs people!

And…he re-signs people!

And…he says some stuff!

And he says that same stuff again a couple months later.
And he says that same stuff again a couple months later.
And he says that same stuff again a couple months later.
And he says that same stuff again a couple months later.
And he says that same stuff again a couple months later.
And he says that same stuff again a couple months later.

WHY CAN’T THAT BE ENOUGH?!

WHY DO WE NEED TO STRIVE FOR EXCELLENCE AND SETTLE FOR NOTHING LESS?!

What the Holland haters don’t understand is that sometimes it takes the better part of a decade to swing an impact trade. What the Holland haters refuse to accept is that sometimes mediocrity is more than acceptable.

Clearly no fault lies with Ken Holland. It lies with us. We’re just spoiled Wings fans.

Let us bask in the majestic glow of Ken Holland’s golden, tire-shaped halo. You have shown us the light, Murray, and for that I sincerely think you. God bless.

Posted by Dont Toews Me Bro on 07/26/16 at 08:52 AM ET

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Posted by MurrayChadwick from Hey Hey Hockeyfart on 07/26/16 at 09:29 AM ET

You’ve said several times that Holland is just doing what Big Mike wants him to do. I’m not sure if I agree with that but who knows. Pure speculation on everybody’s part at this point. So the only true question is whether Holland is completely inept or being a good soldier matters not to us fans. We just want improvement. We want success. We want a team that at least acts like they give a flying *#$%@&. We don’t want another Detroit Lions. And why any Wings’ fan should be satisfied with this organization’s direction is beyond me. Because Ilitch does not do interviews we must attack the one that does. A lot of fans are done toeing the line.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/26/16 at 09:00 AM ET

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Posted by captaineclectic on 07/26/16 at 09:40 AM ET

Get out of here with your fancy stats and your calculators and your words and stuff! Worship Our Ken and Savior or be gone with you!

Posted by Dont Toews Me Bro on 07/26/16 at 09:07 AM ET

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Let’s give Holland credit, impact defensemen are virtually never trades.  Since the Burns trade on June 24, 2011, no impact defensemen have been traded at all.

Well, I mean, Brian Campbell was traded later that same day.  But it’s just those two.

I mean, Christian Ehrhoff was traded three days later.  But that’s borderline.  And he was the last impact defenseman traded in 2011 unless you count 2011-vintage Tomas Kaberle.

And that was an unusual year.  Why, since then, no significant defensemen have been traded other than Lubomir Vishnovsky, JayBouwmeester, Mark Streit, Nick Leddy, Johnny Boychuk, Tyler Myers, Braydon Coburn, Dougie Hamilton, Seth Jones, Dion Phaneuf, Keith Yandle, Shea Weber, and PK Subban.

So, obviously, it’s impossible to acquire a defenseman via trade.

Posted by captaineclectic on 07/26/16 at 09:40 AM ET

I completely agree with this. There are other ways to build a contender besides sucking and getting a high draft pick. Some of those defensemen have not worked out for the teams they were traded too but that doesn’t mean you don’t even try and simply fall back on trades are hard. That stat that shows the lack of trades by Holland over the past decade was shocking to me. I didn’t realize how little movement he’s actually made to improve the team.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 07/26/16 at 09:12 AM ET

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We just want improvement. We want success. We want a team that at least acts like they give a flying *#$%@&.

+19

 

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 07/26/16 at 09:15 AM ET

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The Boychuk and Leddy deals were especially brutal. 

Another team in our conference added a true top pairing guy with a right-hand shot and a solid second pairing guy for a handful of non-first-round picks during the period Holland was allegedly “kicking tires” looking for exactly that thing.

Getting pantsed by Garth Freaking Snow?  When will this clownshow end?

Posted by captaineclectic on 07/26/16 at 09:21 AM ET

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Let’s give Holland credit, impact defensemen are virtually never trades.  Since the Burns trade on June 24, 2011, no impact defensemen have been traded at all.

Well, I mean, Brian Campbell was traded later that same day.  But it’s just those two.

I mean, Christian Ehrhoff was traded three days later.  But that’s borderline.  And he was the last impact defenseman traded in 2011 unless you count 2011-vintage Tomas Kaberle.

And that was an unusual year.  Why, since then, no significant defensemen have been traded other than Lubomir Vishnovsky, JayBouwmeester, Mark Streit, Nick Leddy, Johnny Boychuk, Tyler Myers, Braydon Coburn, Dougie Hamilton, Seth Jones, Dion Phaneuf, Keith Yandle, Shea Weber, and PK Subban.

So, obviously, it’s impossible to acquire a defenseman via trade.

Posted by captaineclectic on 07/26/16 at 09:40 AM ET

I see what you did there… And I like it.

Posted by Colin from Ken Holland's new yacht, "Incompetence" on 07/26/16 at 10:06 AM ET

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Posted by captaineclectic on 07/26/16 at 09:40 AM ET

In 2011 we had Lidstrom and a full cap so scratch the 1st 1/2 of your post.

The rest, I’m sorry who on that list is top end?

Webber and PK who were traded for each other?
Jones likely is, would you have traded Larkin for him?
Yandle is marginal, delivered nothing, left the rangers with nothing.
Boumeester? Their fans want to blow him out of town like us with Kronwall.
I’m not sure Johnny Boychuk is top end, but I sure as hell do like him.
Tyler Myers was trade for Evander Kane, we’ll see where he pans out.

Those players to date delivered their new team’s sweaty cups but nothing silver worth skating around with it over your head. They might one day, but haven’t yet.

Instead the teams led by homegrown drafted and developed bluelines time and time again, won cups.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 07/26/16 at 10:08 AM ET

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Yes. You’re right. Ken Holland has neither said nor done anything wrong, ever.
Posted by Dont Toews Me Bro on 07/26/16 at 09:52 AM ET

Is that what I said? Gee I thought I said…

(a) He summarized what he did in this off-season, and has said the same thing he’s repeated and is being repeated league wide,

(b) That and that no matter what he says about anything, the wings, the griffins, his morning cheerios results in 30-40 posts of bagging on him and recounting every move he’s made that hasn’t turned out, I’m suprised we haven’t spiraled to Cleary ref yet. 

(c) We aren’t trading for a top end dman to lead this team, it must be developed.

That’s what I said. I’ve never said I think Holland is a good GM, NEVER, I said I do not think he’s the scum of the earth most of you think he is.  I think he’s an average GM, as most are in this league.

 

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 07/26/16 at 10:16 AM ET

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Getting pantsed by Garth Freaking Snow?  When will this clownshow end?

Posted by captaineclectic on 07/26/16 at 10:21 AM E

Wow, I thought Peter Chiarelli made that trade, Holland must be able to matrix himself around the league. Your hate has no end my friend, no end. Print a nice big picture of Holland, take it to the paintball range and have a day, cap the night with a frosty beer, it will be ok, you’ll live.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 07/26/16 at 10:18 AM ET

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The Malik Report is a destination for all things Red Wings-related. I offer biased, perhaps unprofessional-at-times and verbose coverage of my favorite team, their prospects and developmental affiliates. I've joined the Kukla's Korner family with five years of blogging under my belt, and I hope you'll find almost everything you need to follow your Red Wings at a place where all opinions are created equal and we're all friends, talking about hockey and the team we love to follow.

 

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