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Happy we have another day to complain and speculate day!

Updated 3x with a Chris Osgood interview and Tomas Tatar revealing that he's heading to the World Championships at 3:50 PM: I'd been assuming all along that the Red Wings would just want to get their locker room clean-out done and over with, as they have in past seasons, so I've written three very lengthy and comprehensive entries attempting to frame the next steps as Red Wings fans prepare for the longest offseason in a long time.

I tried to channel a few slow days due to a stomach virus and no sleep last night into preparing for an onslaught of Wings news from the people whose opinions tend to determine the course of April, May, June, July and August in the Red Wings coach, GM and players...

But I've been out of the media loop in terms of the particulars of said clean-out day--I will explain this to you in more detail and perhaps ask for your support in a certain initiative to change the terms of engagement, but this is not the week to engage in such an endeavor--and a kind-hearted soul informed me that the Wings will in fact meet the media for the final formal time tomorrow at Joe Loius Arena, not today.

That gives you and me another day to speculate and ponder what the Wings should do next, and while I apologize for getting your hopes up, that's what happens when you aren't invited to the party (or wake, as it were), and I still hope that the work I've put in over the last 13 hours has helped you understand how the offseason process unfolds and offers some expectation-grounding as to the possible shapes of the Wings' offseason plans.

In terms of stuff that's popped up since I wrote my last entry, WDFN's Matt Sheppard spoke with MLive's Ansar Khan about the offseason to come...

And Sheppard himself weighed in with his take on what's necessary for the Wings to rediscover their form (and boy howdy, if the sports talk radio crowd's talking about trading Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Kronwall, I think I'm gonna stick to NPR this afternoon and avoid a certain Flagship Station at all costs)...

They want to give contracts to Danny DeKeyser, Riley Sheahan and Tomas Tatar, who are all restricted free agents. That would mean 15 (including Jordin Tootoo) forwards and six defensemen. We know the salary cap will go up, but there aren't many free agent forwards worth signing.

We also know that Mike Babcock wants at least one right handed shot on defense. That right-handed trigger might come from Ryan Sproul or Alexey Marchenko from Grand Rapids, or maybe a guy like Dan Boyle (37-years-old), Derek Morris (35) or Matt Niskanen (27) via free agency.

I just don't see Morris as a top-four guy anymore. More like a right-handed Kyle Quincey.

This means tough choices for Ken Holland, but it also means he might have to get creative, trading what is viewed as a valuable commodity for a proven need. The Bruins did it this past off-season, trading Tyler Seguin and Rich Peverley for Loui Eriksson (among others). It has worked out because the B's won the President's Trophy and should represent the Eastern Conference in the Stanley Cup Finals.

That's where I go: Huh? I get that the Wings have a wealth of blueline prospects and some intriguing forwards, but if we're talking trades, other teams are going to want the Nyquists, Sheahans, Jurcos, Tatars, DeKeysers and Smiths, not the Helms, Abdelkaders, Millers, Glendenings, Lashoffs, Kindls (or Franzens).

Rather than the Red Wings setting the standard, maybe the Bruins are the blue print, not as much for their style, but for their willingness to make moves and shake up a roster.

The Wings would argue that adding a player or two might make a bigger impact than making a possibly future-mortgaging trade for the sake of a shake-up, and if you've checked Holland's trade record of late...

I'd be more than happy if the team pursued one offensive defenseman, possibly one goal-scoring forward, and then made room for the Manthas, Ouellets, Sprouls, Marchenkos, Backmans, Mrazeks and even the Callahans, Ferraros and Almquists to make hard pushes for roster spots next fall.

For clarification's sake?

Today is FOR complaining and speculation. We're frustrated fans and we've got to get it out sometime. Let it roll out today. No big whoop, it's time.

 

Update: From my email inbox...

*** MEDIA ADVISORY ***
RED WINGS LOCKER CLEANOUT AND FINAL MEDIA AVAILABILITY SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY, APRIL 29 AT NOON

Detroit, MI… The 2013-14 Detroit Red Wings will gather for the final time this season on Tuesday, April 29 for the annual team photo and locker clean out at Joe Louis Arena. The team photo takes place at noon and is closed to the media and public. Players and coaches will be available to speak with the media in the team dressing room at the completion of the team photo.

Update #2: Chris Osgood appeared on Detroit Sports 105.1 FM earlier this afternoon...

And MLive's Brendan Savage took note of a few more of Babcock's post-Game 5 remarks:

"I just think kids in general aren't very successful at playoff time unless they're one of three on a line or they're the sixth D man," Babcock said. "When you're counting on them, I think it's hard for them. When you can surround them with a bunch of veterans to look after them it's a totally different thing. When you're counting them, they get here and they find out there's no space and they wonder what's going on. Instead of just fighting through it they start thinking too much and now they're slow and now they don't do what they normally do. I thought that was for sure for our guys."

Nyquist, Tatar and Jurco combined for no points against the Bruins while Glendening had the lone goal for the youngsters, scoring in a 4-1 Game 2 loss when the puck deflected off his body.

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Babcock also pointed out that it's not unusual for youngsters to struggle in the playoffs. Pavel Datsyuk, for instance, had three goals in his first 42 playoff games over four seasons and was blanked in the postseason for three straight years. But in the last eight seasons, Datsyuk has 36 goals in 93 playoff games, including three of Detroit's six against Boston this year.

"Our back end has got to be better and we got to be able to score better up front," Babcock said. "That means the kids that scored during the regular season got to find a way to do it in playoffs. But it doesn't happen the first time. For Pavel it didn't happen the second time. You get some bitter disappointments. This is a disappointing day any way you look at it. But it was real good experience for our kids. We got lots of kids in this series. They were important parts of our team and they found out how hard it is."

Update #3: From Tomas Tatar's Facebook page:

We got eliminated from play off. It's too bad the series is over. We battled but just not enoght to beat bruins. Anyway with the all injuries what we had through all season we sticked together and made to the play off for 23rd straight year. That's pretty impressive. Tomorrow we are starting with medical test I hope everything will go well so I can join to team Slovakia.

The Slovak news agency SITA reports that the Slovaks also want to bring Tomas Jurco to the Worlds, but to use a technical term, "That Ain't Happenin.'"

It does appear that Gustav Nyquist and Jonas Gustavsson are at least "maybes" to play for Sweden at the Worlds, too.

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Figaro's avatar

Today is FOR complaining and speculation. We’re frustrated fans and we’ve got to get it out sometime. Let it roll out today. No big whoop, it’s time.

My feet hurt and I haven’t even started work yet, then I have to go to orchestra rehearsal right afterwards and I still haven’t watched last night’s Game of Thrones episode yet so that probably won’t happen for another couple of days…

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 04/28/14 at 12:26 PM ET

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George, good article. Please get some rest and recuperation time.  Training camp comes fast.

I think the Seguin trade by the Bruins was to alleviate some cap pressure and rid themselves of someone who they did not think brought their desired compete level.  Zetterberg, Datsyuk, and Kronwall are the veteran leadership this organization has always seemed to have in place to pass the baton at the appropriate time.  I would be hard pressed to think they would be part of any serious trade talk.

Posted by Colquhoun on 04/28/14 at 12:29 PM ET

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other teams are going to want the Nyquists, Sheahans, Jurcos, Tatars, DeKeysers and Smiths, not the Helms, Abdelkaders, Millers, Glendenings, Lashoffs, Kindls (or Franzens).

You could repeat this a thousand times and I don’t think fans would get it. Even after the Legwand trade some fans were mad we didn’t give them Ferarro instead of Jarkrok… like that’s how it works. The fact is all these cries for trading for a top-2 dman would be dampened quickly if people knew what the actual asking prices are. I mean I’d take Ehroff but I would not give up Tatar, Sproul and a first for him (or whatever absurd asking price there is). Trades are a tough route and make more sense for a team on the cusp that’s “going for it” like the bruins than a team still sorting out what it has like the Wings. There’s no easy solutions.  We lost out on that already as his name was Suter.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 04/28/14 at 12:32 PM ET

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Oh well, I didn’t specify a subject. Carry on, then.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/28/14 at 12:33 PM ET

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We had this same discussion earlier this season with people not understanding why we couldn’t just trade Sammy, Cleary, Quincy, and Bert when our struggles began.  If they’re dead-weight on a team starting a bunch of AHLers, they probably aren’t wanted on the other NHL rosters.

Posted by Figaro from Los Alamos, NM on 04/28/14 at 12:34 PM ET

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How about throwing Howard, Franzen, Anderson and Kindl out the window and see if it sticks to anything. shut eye

Posted by leftwing on 04/28/14 at 12:47 PM ET

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Yet meanwhile erats are going one way and legwands.  Best GM in sports can’t make a move without overpaying.  I love as other teams trade players and movebon when the fit isn’t there Detroit is trying to convince us there’s no way to make a deal that makes us better. Ever.  And I’m stupid for believing kh is better than that. 

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 04/28/14 at 12:54 PM ET

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How about throwing Howard, Franzen, Anderson and Kindl out the window and see if it sticks to anything.

Posted by leftwing on 04/28/14 at 01:47 PM ET

Wow….seven months ago that first one would have been blasphemy

Posted by 42jeff from The greater Howard City, MI metroplex on 04/28/14 at 01:01 PM ET

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I don’t get why everyone thinks Kenny has to make a huge deal. Move Kindl and Lashoff for picks or for maybe a grinder to compete for a spot on the fourth line. They need to get a few different elements on this team and not all of them are top six forwards and top 3 defenseman. They really need to make space for the young defenseman that are about to be 10 deep in Grand Rapids. They also should be trimming failed experiments where ever they can.

The Wings have always liked to have veteran defensive defensemen with grit on the 5-6 pairing. Whether it was Lilia or Salei, those guys always brought a bit of grit on the back end. I think they believed Lashoff could be that guy, but his reluctance to be physical against the Bruins has to make them rethink that. In any case, he’s not good enough to be a top 6 defenseman.

I just hope Holland doesn’t come to camp with 18 or 19 forwards again or whatever it was. The team looked all disorganized in the pre season and started out looked confused despite their early good record. A lot of the guys looked like they didn’t have enough ‘camp.’

Posted by RW19 on 04/28/14 at 01:06 PM ET

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Holland will sign Morris or Zidlicky to a 3-year deal, he’ll go hard for Iginla who will sign elsewhere leaving him to sign Jagr one year too late. Jagr will break down and miss 20-30 games. Bank on it.

Oh and for good measure he’ll flip Kindl and a prospect for Hudler.

Posted by godblender on 04/28/14 at 01:07 PM ET

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other teams are going to want the Nyquists, Sheahans, Jurcos, Tatars, DeKeysers and Smiths, not the Helms, Abdelkaders, Millers, Glendenings, Lashoffs, Kindls (or Franzens).

Yes, and that’s where a thing called negotiation steps in.  Any GM with an asset that is desirable would be a fool to not ask for the moon initially.  It is the opposing GM’s responsibility to make a counter offer and find some way to get what he wants and not give up the farm in doing so.

I don’t blame Holland too much for giving up a lot to get Legwand because he was dealing for a place of weakness, both in that he needed an NHL centre and he had very, very little time to get a deal done.

But in the off-season everyone is an equal and everyone can look at their wants and needs more objectively and dispassionately than they can in the midst of a season.  Thus, there is more room for some give and take, for teams to take a chance, for someone to say “Yeah, Franzen is inconsistent but he’s shown that he can produce, hey look at how Filppula has blossomed this year, maybe Franzen just needs a change of scenery to get back to the kind of player the Wings throught he would be when they signed him to that deal, and even if he doesn’t become a dominant player, $4M for what he does produce isn’t terrible.”

Posted by Garth on 04/28/14 at 01:12 PM ET

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Trading away Datsyuk and Zetterberg would probably be reason enough for a lot of fans to move on to rooting for another team. Tatar and Glendening and etc were fun to watch during the regular season, but completely ineffective come play off time, and they look like children on the ice compared to players on other teams. I like Tatar. First time he was called up I thought “this kid’s got a future”. But it doesn’t look like his future will include winning a Stanley Cup. At least not if he is playing on a team with a bunch of other small and inexperienced guys - such as the team Bab’s brought into the playoffs was. I think the Wings can afford to get rid of Tatar and another young forward. The team won’t have success anytime soon with all young, small, and inexperienced guys, and it truly is a rebuilding period if we are sticking with those young guys. I also doubt Alfie (who wants to win the cup) will come back for another year if the Wings management decides to go with all the young guys. He wants the cup if he plays another year. He doesn’t want another year of babysitting.

Also, let’s put Glendening where he belongs for now - in GR - and give an experienced player who plays the same style of game AND can actually be effective at it a chance - and that player is Tootoo. Not having him in the lineup nightly and making him a healthy scratch after allowing him to play one or two games in which he was effective was some of Bab’s biggest mistakes. Especially when Bab’s never once scratched Franzen during the regular season despite Franzen needing to be sat to let him know if he isn’t going to give it all, he’s not going to play. And that’s because Bab’s plays favorites for no good reason.

And speaking of Bab’s, could we PLEASE end our love affair with him and admit that while he is a good coach, he’s not great, he doesn’t get the most out of the players, and he’s not a coach of the year candidate to much of anyone other than Red Wings media. Yes he can coach a team of all stars and future hall of fame players to win gold medals. Big effin deal. What NHL coach couldn’t have done the same? The Wings need a coach who doesn’t play favorites and can get the most out of the players each and every game, and for the entire 60 minutes of the game. A coach like Bowman. And that coach is Trotz. Yes I know Trotz never won the cup with Nashville. But he made that team that was usually full of mostly unknown players a competitive team full of players who gave 110% every shift of every game, and not just when they felt like it. And if they didn’t, those players would be scratched for a game or two to send a message. Remember when the Red Wings had a coach who did that? His name was Scotty Bowman, It’s time we tell Bab’s thanks, then show him the door.

Posted by Howdy Gordie on 04/28/14 at 01:17 PM ET

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Yes he can coach a team of all stars and future hall of fame players to win… Big effin deal… What NHL coach couldn’t have done the same?

The Wings need a coach who doesn’t play favorites and can get the most out of the players each and every game, and for the entire 60 minutes of the game. A coach like Bowman.

Oh yeah Bowman…you mean the guy who coached a bunch of all-stars and future hall of famers? Psssh. Big effin deal, eh? I guess Bowman was overrated after all based on your assessment.

And speaking of Bab’s, could we PLEASE end our love affair with him and admit that while he is a good coach, he’s not great, he doesn’t get the most out of the players, and he’s not a coach of the year candidate to much of anyone other than Red Wings media.

Go back to Mlive. Jackass.

Posted by godblender on 04/28/14 at 01:25 PM ET

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Posted by Howdy Gordie on 04/28/14 at 02:17 PM ET

God, you’re a veritable quote machine of horseshit.

Posted by SK77 on 04/28/14 at 01:32 PM ET

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Thus, there is more room for some give and take, for teams to take a chance, for someone to say “Yeah, Franzen is inconsistent but he’s shown that he can produce, hey look at how Filppula has blossomed this year, maybe Franzen just needs a change of scenery to get back to the kind of player the Wings throught he would be when they signed him to that deal, and even if he doesn’t become a dominant player, $4M for what he does produce isn’t terrible.”

You just described exactly how a trade for Franzen will go. This is exactly why Franzen has good value as a trade and all this ‘compliance buy-out’ talk is ridiculous. His stats for his cap hit ARE VERY GOOD. Sure, we all hate how he compiles those stats in fits and starts, but the raw numbers are appealing and the potential upside (for the optimists out there) are very enticing.

My issue w/ Franzen has never been about his raw stats. It’s that I think his style of play - floating around like a butterfly 3/4 of the season and turning it on the other 20 games - is a drain on the team. I’d easily give up 5-10 pts a season to replace Franzen with a player that showed up every shift.

Posted by awould on 04/28/14 at 01:33 PM ET

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Wow….seven months ago that first one would have been blasphemy

And 7 months ago they would have got a good return for nr.4 LOL

I’m maybe the only one who likes all 4 of them. If Gus resigns and shares the net with Razor, then I see Howard, Franzen, Anderson and Kindl all replaceable by players already in the system. That’s 4 very tradable players a few teams wouldn’t mind having.

I think Quincy will sign with the Avs, so we will need to fill that spot. Keep Lashoff only as a 7th D man. You won’t get nothing for him and he’s great for depth.

You don’t know how things will turn out. I remember being upset Holland didn’t sign Clarkson last summer shock

Posted by leftwing on 04/28/14 at 01:34 PM ET

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I don’t get why everyone thinks Kenny has to make a huge deal. Move Kindl and Lashoff for picks or for maybe a grinder to compete for a spot on the fourth line.

Like we need more guys to compete against each other. There is healthy competition and competition where you are constantly unsure about your future and for that doubting yourself. Draft picks for those two, since drafting seems as he only thing that management succeeds in.

Somehow I am not angry, just thinking about what a freaking clusterfuch of a year Pavel had. Concussion because an opposing player was to slow and elbowed him back 10 years. Then his knee starts jerking up, short before he should lead his home country to the olympic gold at home with his daughter, family, friends. In the same time his best chance for success in the NHL goes down with Z. See your team struggling and being sidelined as a pro is like watching your dearest picture break over and over again. I have no reason to be angry. Looking forwards to next year, with the same group minus injuries, refs and dead weight.

Posted by Joe Z. from Austria on 04/28/14 at 01:40 PM ET

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My issue w/ Franzen has never been about his raw stats. It’s that I think his style of play - floating around like a butterfly 3/4 of the season and turning it on the other 20 games - is a drain on the team. I’d easily give up 5-10 pts a season to replace Franzen with a player that showed up every shift.

Posted by awould on 04/28/14 at 02:33 PM ET

It works for Ovechkin wink

Posted by Joe Z. from Austria on 04/28/14 at 01:47 PM ET

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Really interesting to see how Weiss pans out.  I wonder if the Wings just use a traditional buyout on him.  His injuries seem to have pretty much robbed him of any effectiveness he might have once had.

I think injuries are what did in Detroit this year, as they did last year as well.  Even as players came back in the playoffs, they lacked the cohesion necessary as a team to challenge a Bruins team that has sported a very consistent lineup for the past few years.

I think Quincy is worth resigning for the 3rd defensive pair, though likely not at the cost he’ll be demanding, leaving Kronner, Ericsson, DD, and Smith in the top 4. The Kindl/Lashoff pairing was horrendous.  I’d even go as far as say bring 2 GR D up for the 3rd pair and let Quincy take his payday somewhere else. This really isn’t a bad defense though each pair will need a stay at home D (Ericsson/DD).

I say let all of the UFA vets walk, none of them bring enough to Detroit.  Alfie (injury prone), Cleary (slow/injury prone), Bertuzzi (too slow), Samuelsson (erm…), Legwand (erm…).  Alfie was a good even great player, and might be worth having for another season, but I can’t help but feel the issue even in the playoffs was lack of cohesion as a team; Detroit will not maintain its playoff success with an ever-changing lineup.

Nyquist Z Franzen
Dats Weiss Tatar
Jurco Helm Abby
Glendening/Shaehan/Miller

Kronwall/Ericsson
DD/Smith (possibly trade DD for Ericsson)
Quincey/Sproul/Ouellet

Howard/Mrazek (50-30 starts, let Monster walk)

Bury Lashoff/Andersson/Tootoo
Free Buyout Kindl (if eligible, if not bury him and buyout Tootoo)

Now, Weiss might find himself buried or traded to a very very desperate team if they can get scoring support via Free Agency or trade.

Not sure what is going to be available on Defense for trade/UFA but I doubt it will be better than what Detroit has.

I think with this lineup healthy Detroit is a top 10 team, but that’s purely based on Datsyuk/Z and the team staying healthy.  The rest of the team is too small and lacks the scoring touch needed in order to make Detroit a better team. 

And last, I think 90% of practices should just be hitting the net with the puck.  I’ll call it the Samuelsson curse.

Posted by neffernin on 04/28/14 at 01:48 PM ET

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I also think they made a big mistake by not playing Tootoo. Not much talent but his heart and drive would have gave them a much needed spark and would have rubbed off on the kids. I think Babcock failed big time by not using him…...at least he could have locked Franzen in a room and made him watch Tootoo videos for a few hours.

Posted by leftwing on 04/28/14 at 01:50 PM ET

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Well, Kenny could extend Howie’s and Errorsson’s contracts for another 5 years on top of the five he already has them under at the gross 5.2 and 4.2 per season rate, sigh.
Legwand was a fan deadline trade. Kenny went right back to bed after hanging up the phone. The local boy Legwand I don’t think he will get signed here because defensively he is horrible and at his age he won’t get any better but it was a nice homecoming at least for awhile like the Modano one, remember that?
I predict next he’ll trade for Gleason who’s best years are probably behind him but at least he’s from Detroit area and fans will be happy for awhile maybe forget the team is perennial 8th seeders.
If Alfie doesn’t come back and Weiss turns out a bust here the Wings are in serious trouble.
Sign Jagr all will be forgotten surely.

vampire

Posted by Slumpy from Detroit on 04/28/14 at 01:55 PM ET

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Also, let’s put Glendening where he belongs for now - in GR - and give an experienced player who plays the same style of game AND can actually be effective at it a chance - and that player is Tootoo.

He had 42 games last year and 11 this year to show he could do it… and never did.  He can’t be effective at it:  that’s why an AHLer walked in and took his job away, and it’s why Tootoo is in the AHL now himself.

So let’s put this stupid idea where it belongs:  Tootoo is not a viable NHL option for a decent NHL team.

Posted by Primis on 04/28/14 at 01:56 PM ET

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Posted by Howdy Gordie on 04/28/14 at 02:17 PM ET

Go back to Mlive. Jackass.
Posted by godblender on 04/28/14 at 02:25 PM ET

Posted by Howdy Gordie on 04/28/14 at 02:17 PM ET
God, you’re a veritable quote machine of horseshit.
Posted by SK77 on 04/28/14 at 02:32 PM ET

I was going to nominate that POS post as early candidate for worst post of the off-season as soon as I read the “play Tootoo” part, but I see you guys already beat me to it.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 04/28/14 at 02:13 PM ET

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I’d love to see Glendening, Tootoo and Helm on the same line

Posted by leftwing on 04/28/14 at 02:15 PM ET

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Go back to Mlive. Jackass.
Posted by godblender on 04/28/14 at 02:25 PM ET

Posted by Howdy Gordie on 04/28/14 at 02:17 PM ET
God, you’re a veritable quote machine of horseshit.
Posted by SK77 on 04/28/14 at 02:32 PM ET

I was going to nominate that POS post as early candidate for worst post of the off-season as soon as I read the “play Tootoo” part, but I see you guys already beat me to it.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 04/28/14 at 03:13 PM ET

Great minds hate alike?

Posted by SK77 on 04/28/14 at 02:20 PM ET

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I’d love to see Glendening, Tootoo and Helm on the same line

Posted by leftwing on 04/28/14 at 03:15 PM ET

Rather see Tootoo with Helm and Abdelkader/Miller, and let Glendening go back to Grand Rapids (or somewhere else).

Posted by RedMenace from the Church of Jesus Lashoff on 04/28/14 at 02:27 PM ET

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Glendening would have to clear waivers to go to Grand Rapids, and he would not clear.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/28/14 at 02:32 PM ET

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What about goaltending? Ryan Miller is going to be a free agent and unlikely to re-sign with St. Louis. He’s from Michigan and his brother is on the team, those might be an extra incentive to sign with the Wings. Leave Mrazek in GR for another season, possibly re-sign Gus (he’ll probably want more than one year though), and trade Howard for.. something.

Posted by ryan-o on 04/28/14 at 02:33 PM ET

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Glendening would have to clear waivers to go to Grand Rapids, and he would not clear.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/28/14 at 03:32 PM ET

Yeah, and that’s the problem with Glendening.

 

Posted by RedMenace from the Church of Jesus Lashoff on 04/28/14 at 02:39 PM ET

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As easy as it is to joke about Datsyuk going in for surgery to have 230 pounds of dead tissue removed, it is highly unlikely Detroit will buy out Franzen, or move him.  At under $4M / yr that is a middling salary these days, for a middling forward with a good shot if left alone in the high slot.  The trouble is that doesn’t happen often, and even less against a good playoff team (Boston).

Franzen will stay because the cap hit is not debilitating for 20 goals.  Not that that is thrilling to me, watching his lame stick work losing the puck frequently.

And stop bringing up Tootoo please, he will only see ice time in Detroit again if injuries go horribly wrong to a lot of forwards.  Detroit has had trouble scoring in probably every playoff since Hossa +1, I guess 2010 - 2014.  I like the guy, but geezo.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 04/28/14 at 02:51 PM ET

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I’d love to see Glendening, Tootoo and Helm on the same line

I’d love to see Tootoo anywhere but in this organization.

Glendening would have to clear waivers to go to Grand Rapids, and he would not clear.

Fourth liners with no finish who can’t win a third of their faceoffs aren’t exactly a hot commodity, and even if he was claimed he’s the very definition of replaceable.

Posted by Garth on 04/28/14 at 02:53 PM ET

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it is highly unlikely Detroit will buy out Franzen, or move him.

I agree with the first part, maybe not the second part though.  If Babcock really is fed up with him, I can’t see why Holland would refuse to move him, no matter the cap hit.  He re-signed one of the most replaceable players in the league simply because Babcock loves him, why wouldn’t he try to move a moveable commodity if he trusts his coach?

Posted by Garth on 04/28/14 at 02:55 PM ET

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Thanks George for gutting it out and putting up a place for us to throw crap against the wall…..

Did I hear Babcock correctly in his post game session, talking about 4 young defenseman who could move up and play, but “you can’t do them all at once,”  and that included Mattias Backman? with just North American experience of 2 regular season games in GR and now 2 playoff games, 6-2 170 from Linkoping?

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 04/28/14 at 02:57 PM ET

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hahahahaha

fire Babcock!!!!!

add a fighter!!!!

I love this time of year!

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 04/28/14 at 02:57 PM ET

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or move him.

I agree with the first part, maybe not the second part though.
Posted by Garth on 04/28/14 at 03:55 PM ET

That’s right.  Moving Franzen is much more likely than using the remaining franchise compliance buy out.  Someone (other GM/coach) would really have to see or remember a lot of good in him to part with assets for him.

Posted by RWBill from Brush Street cruising with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 04/28/14 at 03:01 PM ET

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Watch Mantha continue his goal scoring in AHL hockey, then get called up 20-30 games in and be that “Scoring winger” thats needed.

We can all dream.

Posted by neffernin on 04/28/14 at 03:05 PM ET

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Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 04/28/14 at 03:51 PM ET

I totally agree about Franzen’s captootoohit, as well as the amount of potootooints he brings to the table… however, I’m tootootally over his lack of effort 75% of the time, and his rostootooter spot could be filled by someone who gives 100% every night. I mean, can you imagine what an actual power forward for $2tootoom more would do in his place?

I’d love to see Tootoo anywhere but in this organization.

Posted by Garth on 04/28/14 at 03:53 PM ET

And that’s a perfectly fine for you guys to think… we’ll just have to disagree and move on.

 

 

Posted by RedMenace from the Church of Jesus Lashoff on 04/28/14 at 03:07 PM ET

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And that’s a perfectly fine for you guys to think… we’ll just have to disagree and move on.

Posted by RedMenace from the Church of Jesus Lashoff on 04/28/14 at 04:07 PM ET

I’m worried that all the Microsoft Word web stuff you did has negatively impacted your brain’s cognitive skills wink

Posted by SK77 on 04/28/14 at 03:32 PM ET

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I know my fantasy line of Glendening, Helm and Tootoo isn’t really worth a hoot. It’s only for the entertainment. The chaos it would cause. Put them out against Crosby and tape uncle Mike having a fit on the bench. You can drive everyone nuts, even by just talking about it. Sorry.

I think the Olympics really hurt. Physically and mentally. How many of our guys were over there and how many were gassed when they got back? As bad as it looks today, having a short playoff run and a long summer will help a lot next year.

Posted by leftwing on 04/28/14 at 03:46 PM ET

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Franzen isn’t going anywhere. We’re all looking for someone to blame, but the reality is Boston is a better, deeper team than we are right now. Plain and simple.

Now, maybe with a healthy squad, and the time to gel into a cohesive unit, it would have been a different story. But alas…

I’m excited to see who makes the squad out of training camp, especially the young d-men. Free agency wise, no one really stands out, except for Vanek. I wouldn’t be opposed to Kenny making a big trade to get a bona-fide number 1 or 2 d-man, including shipping something valuable now to do so. We need to solidify our D, then the rest falls into place, in my opinion.

Oh and we gotta let the Monster walk. He played great but he deserves more $$$/starting role and we need to see what we have in Mrazek in a backup role.

Posted by babymachine from Portland, Oregon by way of Macomb, Michigan on 04/28/14 at 03:57 PM ET

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