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Discussing ‘the case’ for Stamkos to sign with the Wings

ESPN's Craig Custance penned an Insider-only entry in which he examined Steven Stamkos' "fit" with the Lightning, Canadiens, Leafs, Sabres and Red Wings, and here's his case "for" Detroit (I can't share the "against" as well):

The case for: This is a franchise with a long history of winning, and Stamkos would be continuing a long line of superstars -- including his current GM in Yzerman. With Pavel Datsyuk's return to Russia and the trade with the Coyotes, Detroit now has the necessary salary cap space to take a serious run at Stamkos.

They have a need at center with Datsyuk gone, and Stamkos would plug right in to a talented forward group that would include youngster Dylan Larkin and veteran Henrik Zetterberg.

Like the Sabres, the Red Wings offer the ability to play close to home without all the pressure that comes with it. The Red Wings have an owner in Mike Illitch who has been aggressive and successful -- both with his hockey and baseball teams -- of landing the big star in free agency, although more of his recent successes have come on the baseball side.

The Red Wings' playoff streak should give Stamkos confidence that if he joins the Red Wings, he’s joining a franchise that will always be in the hunt for a Stanley Cup.

Red Wings GM Ken Holland wasn’t as pointed as [Sabres GM Tim] Murray was when addressing his offseason goals, simply saying that he hoped to use the Datsyuk salary cap space to add a forward to help replace Datsyuk. There aren’t many on the market with that ability.

When asked specifically what he wanted to do with the cap space, Holland answered: “Hopefully, spend it.”
Would he spend it in free agency or via trade?

“I would do either,” he said. “Whatever makes sense.”

According to an NHL source on Tuesday, the Red Wings have reached out to Newport regarding Stamkos already, which should come as no surprise.

Custance continues, noting that the Wings have their first-round-fodder and in-progress defensive issues weighing against them...

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He’s not a Red Wing, I can almost gurantee it. Just don’t see anything that TOR can’t beat us in.

Posted by Pasha1277 on 06/28/16 at 11:56 AM ET

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12 million per year is 15% of the cap for one player.  An 8-year deal would take Stamkos to 34.  Years six, seven and eight will be Ugly, no Thanks.

Posted by Billyhendoe on 06/28/16 at 12:02 PM ET

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Any idea on when KH is planning to meet with Stamkos or his representatives?

Posted by VPalmer on 06/28/16 at 12:06 PM ET

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Can’t be an 8 yr. deal unless he signs with Tampa prior to July 1 and then is traded to Det.  As a UFA he can only sign a 7 yr. deal.  This team needs Stamkos badly (forget the awful D for a minute) and I’d gladly tie up $10.5-11M of cap space for 7 yrs. in a player that has the legit potential to score as many goals as POINTS produced by the team’s leading score last year (50).

Posted by Uncle Rico on 06/28/16 at 12:06 PM ET

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I do know that KH has already spoken with Newport Sports and will speak with them again today…

An here’s the “Against”:

The case against: The Red Wings have a long, rich history of playoff success. Their recent success isn’t so rich.

Detroit has been stuck in the first or second round of the playoffs the last several years, and the Red Wings haven’t been a team that you can consider a serious Stanley Cup contender in recent seasons, frustrating both the local fan base and front office.

Stamkos would certainly go a long way in easing the pain that comes with Datsyuk’s departure, but he doesn’t necessarily fill Detroit’s biggest need, which is on defense.

The Red Wings have to get younger and more mobile on defense, and most of their best young players are at forward. So even if they land Stamkos, Holland has work to do to mold this team into a Stanley Cup-caliber group.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 06/28/16 at 12:14 PM ET

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Stamkos would certainly go a long way in easing the pain that comes with Datsyuk’s departure, but he doesn’t necessarily fill Detroit’s biggest need, which is on defense.

If we sign Stamkos or some other free agent forward or two, it will make easier to trade for a dman.
I do not see Stamkos coming here, but he should be the first target and then plan B: Okposo and Brouwer. (if they cost less than Backes and Ladd). Or plan C: if we do not sign Stamkos, do nothing and play the kids.
Do not want KH panicking and after losing on Stamkos, Lucic, Okposo, etc, signing Backes to some ridiculous deal because he is the only one left on the board.

Posted by VPalmer on 06/28/16 at 12:24 PM ET

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I do know that KH has already spoken with Newport Sports and will speak with them again today…

thanks

Posted by VPalmer on 06/28/16 at 12:24 PM ET

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I feel like Holland is going to spend the money regardless…which scares me. I think stamkos is a pipe dream but I hope and hope I am wrong.
The rest of the free agents interest me in the short term but no way any of them take a short contract probably.  offer sheet Seth Jones! At a min we will put Columbus in a world of hurt.

Posted by DieByTheWing on 06/28/16 at 12:35 PM ET

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no matter who the player i cringe at 7 yr deals. not many teams can boast it worked the full 7+ years and then the logjam at the end creates chaos for the organ-i-zation. 8.5 at 6 or bye bye

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 06/28/16 at 12:37 PM ET

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then he can play his last year farewell tour back in tampa. Or he will go to Toronna like i said several months ago along with big Ricky from the Rangers(as u know big mike loves the guy).

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 06/28/16 at 12:39 PM ET

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not many teams can boast it worked the full 7+ years and then the logjam at the end creates chaos for the organ-i-zation.

Not a single team can boast that they’ve had a player play his entire 7-year contract, since this deal is a relatively new one, with the last changes to the CBA.

Not to mention that even though it’s a “long” deal, Stamkos will still only be 33 when it expires.  It’s not like anyone is signing him until he’s 40+.

Posted by Garth on 06/28/16 at 12:41 PM ET

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If I had to choose a similar deal between Detroit and staying in Tampa - I’d stay in tampa.  The playoff streak is so overblown at this point.  Tampa is on the door step of another finals appearance.  He already has the players around him there.  If he comes to Detroit, he’d eat up the rest of the cap space KH would need to fill out the roster around him to make them a legit contender.  Not that it can’t be done,  via trade, but it would take some magic work and KH hasn’t had too much in his pocket as of late. 

He’ll either be in Toronto or Tampa.  The rangers are somewhat of a mess right now and are in a weird rebuild mode.  Buffalo has the resources and has some decent talent obviously, but they haven’t proven anything.  Toronto is Toronto but with Matthews and Babcock and Big Lou at the helm, I can’t see them struggling at all for very long if Stamkos signs.

Posted by PMP5030 on 06/28/16 at 12:48 PM ET

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-Zetterberg and Franzen signed deals that take them to age 40
-Abdelkader is singed until age 36
-Datsyuk was signed through age 38

These guys were all older than Stamkos when they signed their deals and NONE of them ever scored like Stamkos does. I just can’t figure how a 7-8 year deal for an elite 26-year old goal scorer is a bad move for an organization that can afford it.

Posted by godblender on 06/28/16 at 12:58 PM ET

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Posted by PMP5030 on 06/28/16 at 12:48 PM ET

If he’s choosing his best Cup shot, Tampa is the best option. 

If its monetary Buffalo and Detroit are the best options. For tampa to pay him max impacts the roster around him eventually. 

If its hometown Toronto (and their killer tax rate) is the option.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Window Seat on the Captain's Ship on 06/28/16 at 01:06 PM ET

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First of all, sources say we can only sign a UFA for 6 years max.  We will sign him for the 6yr @ 9 mill per.  He will come here and win a Stanley Cup with Detroit.  He knows Detroit and loves it!

Posted by jhpcarrier97 on 06/28/16 at 01:11 PM ET

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First of all, sources say we can only sign a UFA for 6 years max.

Not sure what your sources are, but the max is seven years, not six.

Posted by Garth on 06/28/16 at 01:14 PM ET

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Stamkos will still only be 33 when it expires.  It’s not like anyone is signing him until he’s 40+.

Posted by Garth on 06/28/16 at 12:41 PM ET

Yeah, I don’t get these complaints about a 7 year deal either. He is 26, he is young. A 7 year deal is nothing, assuming he stays healthy, even at the end of that contract, he should still be a force.

Posted by George0211 on 06/28/16 at 01:23 PM ET

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I just can’t figure how a 7-8 year deal for an elite 26-year old goal scorer is a bad move for an organization that can afford it.

Posted by godblender on 06/28/16 at 12:58 PM ET

Exactly the point!! He is still a young gun. Offer 7 X $10 or $11M or you are not invited to the party.  Laffs will offer 30% of the Cap then suck when they have no $$ to sign all of their young talent after RFA.

First of all, sources say we can only sign a UFA for 6 years max.

Are you talking about the Wings specifically, if so I haven’t heard that.

The Max is 7yrs for all Teams except Tampa who can sign Stamkos to 8 yrs

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 06/28/16 at 01:27 PM ET

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First of all, sources say we can only sign a UFA for 6 years max.

Posted by jhpcarrier97 on 06/28/16 at 01:11 PM ET

What sources? Please cite your source or stand by your knowledge. Thank you.

Not sure what your sources are, but the max is seven years, not six.

Posted by Garth on 06/28/16 at 01:14 PM ET

Here is my source after a quick Google search:

From Yahoo! Sports:

The NHL won limits on player contract length. The longest term for a player a team is re-signing in eight years; the longest term for a free-agent moving from team to team is seven years.

Posted by Bradley97 on 06/28/16 at 01:33 PM ET

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Exactly the point!! He is still a young gun. Offer 7 X $10 or $11M or you are not invited to the party. Laffs will offer 30% of the Cap then suck when they have no $$ to sign all of their young talent after RFA.

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 06/28/16 at 01:27 PM ET

Hard to see how the Leafs will offer 30% of the cap when the max is 20%.

Posted by Bradley97 on 06/28/16 at 01:40 PM ET

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Posted by Bradley97 on 06/28/16 at 01:40 PM ET

You are obviously correct!

Damn, a typo after Garth updated me on the 20% of the Cap Max.  This Max Salary is getting embarrassing, I will start to review my comments b4 submitting!

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 06/28/16 at 02:21 PM ET

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Damn, a typo after Garth updated me on the 20% of the Cap Max.  This Max Salary is getting embarrassing, I will start to review my comments b4 submitting!

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 06/28/16 at 02:21 PM ET

I preview and correct a number of times before posting and still occasionally make embarrassing mistakes. For example, though nobody pointed it out, in the previous Stamkos thread I mistakenly wrote that TB made the SCF without him, but they only made the ECF. How TB could make the SCF after Pittsburgh defeated them is a question for the ages!  raspberry

Posted by Bradley97 on 06/28/16 at 02:25 PM ET

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Two words I don’t think are being mentioned nearly enough in this discussion.

Blood. Clots.

Posted by dougie on 06/28/16 at 03:08 PM ET

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Red Wings haven’t been a team that you can consider a serious Stanley Cup contender in recent seasons, frustrating both the local fan base and front office.

It’s frustrated the front office? Really? Maybe after this season but the previous seasons 6 their (Holland’s, and that’s all that matters apparently) only goal was to make the playoffs because “once you’re in anything can happen”.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 06/28/16 at 03:17 PM ET

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7 years for Stamkos is perfectly fine. Anyone offering less is out of the conversation. The biggest concern is probably the blood clot but if that’s a problem he just heads to LTIR and money is returned to cap each year.

However, I wouldn’t expect him to be a 50 goal scorer. Those are pretty much gone, mostly due to shot blocking. If Stamkos can score close to 40 goals, signing him is a major success. If he gets 30-35, its not too bad. Anything less would be a failure. Obviously expectations should be lower as he ages.

It is VERY rare for a commodity like him to hit the open market. I still expect he returns to Tampa. If the Wings want a chance they cannot play games with their offers. I’d be bold. Let him know they aren’t kidding about to desire to get him. $11M isn’t a crazy offer.

Posted by evileye on 06/28/16 at 03:43 PM ET

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Stamkos to his agent Don Meehan:  Can you find out what Detroit is planning for their D?
Meehan to Stamkos:  Holland said “We like our D, we have the best 67 D in the league, in fact avery one of our guys except Danny is a great 6,7 guy”

Stamkos:  So we should look for a team closer to a contender right?
Meehan” Yes, we can get paid, get the term and find a team with a better balance to build around.  Although Detroit used to be excellent.  Lets go to Chicago….......

Posted by pondrockit on 06/28/16 at 05:29 PM ET

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If I was him and wanted out of TB, I would go to Butfalo. I think they are closer to winning. Their owner will spend just as much as TB, Detroit,or Toronto. I think they have better young players as well.

Posted by easmus on 06/28/16 at 06:23 PM ET

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