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Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt

If you thought that NHL disciplinarian Brendan Shanahan would at least take his playoff lumps without insisting on delivering the self-aggrandizing interviews which his predecessor, Colin Campbell, chose to engage in after the fact to insist that he was in fact doling out only mildly-biased discipline, well…USA Today’s Kevin Allen allowed Shanahan to essentially go a #Webering:

“I asked (everyone),” Shanahan told USA TODAY Sports, “Did you ever sit in a dressing room in the playoffs, and say, ‘I was going to play this one straight tonight, but Shea Weber didn’t get suspended so I’m going to go to a completely different planet and go off the rails?’”

Shanahan, in his first season as the NHL’s supplemental discipline guru, doesn’t believe there is any link between his Weber decision and the wild first round that has resulted in him handing out nine suspensions, including a 25-game suspension to the Phoenix Coyotes’ Raffi Torres on Saturday.

“It’s a convenient theory after the fact,” Shanahan said. “We don’t think people are way off base to think it should have been a one-game suspension because we considered that.”

Continued, at some length, including this gem describing his decision to fine Weber $2,500 because Red Wings forward Henrik Zetterberg did not sustain a concussion:

“If you look at analogies from society’s legal system, there are penalties for conspiracy to commit murder that aren’t as severe as the penalties for murder,” Shanahan said.

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phillyphever's avatar

Oh give it up guys. You still would have lost even if Weber was suspended.

Posted by phillyphever on 04/23/12 at 10:22 PM ET

bezukov's avatar

Jesus Brendan,

Please quit this job so I can go back to liking you.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 04/23/12 at 10:23 PM ET

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Oh give it up guys. You still would have lost even if Weber was suspended.

Posted by phillyphever on 04/23/12 at 08:22 PM ET

Is that really what you think this all about?  Get a life.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 04/23/12 at 10:26 PM ET

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Of course the Wings still would have lost, even if Shanahan had suspended him for the series or some bizarre and equally silly number of games. I don’t have any doubt about that.

This isn’t about Weber or the Wings. It’s about the concept that Shanahans decision to go from someone in charge of what is supposedly the “department of player safety” to “the department of cleaning up messes once they’ve occurred” in the playoffs has yielded unnecessary injuries. Shanahan was suspending people based upon intent early in the regular season, and that disappeared. I don’t understand why, and especially given Shanahan’s willingness to change his job description based upon the time of year that he’s working, I don’t understand why he should suddenly be given pats on the back for defending his actions.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 04/23/12 at 10:33 PM ET

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“This isn’t about Weber or the Wings. It’s about the concept that Shanahans decision to go from someone in charge of what is supposedly the “department of player safety” to “the department of cleaning up messes once they’ve occurred” in the playoffs has yielded unnecessary injuries. Shanahan was suspending people based upon intent early in the regular season, and that disappeared. I don’t understand why, and especially given Shanahan’s willingness to change his job description based upon the time of year that he’s working, I don’t understand why he should suddenly be given pats on the back for defending his actions.”

It’s a hard job. I doubt anyone would have come in and made everyone happy. It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t job. All I can say is that at least Campbell isn’t making those suspension calls, otherwise Torres might have gotten off scott-free.

Posted by phillyphever on 04/23/12 at 10:36 PM ET

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That’s funny, because actually a lot of penalties for attempted murder are exactly the same as penalties for successful murder.  You don’t always get a pass for failing.  But it does bring up precisely the thing that makes the job so hard- he’s trying to be a civil and criminal court at the same time.  Maybe the NHL needs one bureau to determine fines for harm caused, and a separate suspension bureau for breaking the rules that exist to keep you from causing that harm.

Posted by petshark from Nor Cal, and on Twitter @petshark47 on 04/23/12 at 11:47 PM ET

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Posted by petshark from Nor Cal, and on Twitter @petshark47 on 04/23/12 at 09:47 PM ET

This is why the NHL needs a pre-determined “sentencing schedule.”  Everyone would do a lot better without all the damned grey area.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 04/24/12 at 12:16 AM ET

awould's avatar

Not suspending a player for intentionally grabbing a guys head with both hands and slamming it into the glass is indefensible no matter who the players are or what time of year it is. Whether the player is injured shouldn’t even be a factor. I don’t think it should ever be a factor. In my opinion, Torres deserved a lengthy suspension because he was a serial offender, not because Hossa was seriously injured.

What Weber did could have seriously injured Zetterberg. 99 times out of 100 it probably wouldn’t though. What Torres did actually did cause injury, and probably would 3 times out of 10 maybe. The difference is that the Torres hit was at least a hockey play that crossed the line. What Weber did was literally just assault another player, intending to cause injury. Not suspending that type of play sets a terrible precedent.

Shanahan has no credibility anymore. Yes, some of the calls he has to make are tough but Shea Weber was not one of them. That should’ve been the easiest suspension he ever had to call.

Posted by awould on 04/24/12 at 01:13 AM ET

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Its clear after that interview that the NHL head disciplinarian should not be an ex-player. Its disturbing that under his reign, head shots continue,  penalties in general are way down and scoring is at dead puck levels. I had such hope when he took the job but now it feels like a lump of coal in my stocking on christmas morning. My fault for expecting the NHL to be anything more than the Mickey Mouse league its been since Bettman took the job. He will retire someday, I hope I live that long.

Posted by Patrick Oneill from Yonkers NY on 04/24/12 at 01:33 AM ET

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“It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t job. “

Thanks for that insight, Phillyphever, but it seems like you’re ignoring the overwhelming consensus that Weber should have been suspended.  Hell, many Nashville fans did.  It was kind of a national joke that he wasn’t on most website/tv/radio outlets.  So what’s your dog in this fight?

You don’t have to please everyone, but if the vast majority of people with eyes think you made a bad call, you probably did.  There’s nothing wrong with pointing that out.

Posted by exiledinLA on 04/24/12 at 01:50 AM ET

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Posted by awould on 04/23/12 at 11:13 PM ET

Very well said.  Nothing I can add to that.

Posted by WestWing from Portland, Oregon on 04/24/12 at 01:53 AM ET

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Not suspending a player for intentionally grabbing a guys head with both hands and slamming it into the glass is indefensible no matter who the players are or what time of year it is. Whether the player is injured shouldn’t even be a factor. I don’t think it should ever be a factor. In my opinion, Torres deserved a lengthy suspension because he was a serial offender, not because Hossa was seriously injured.

What Weber did could have seriously injured Zetterberg. 99 times out of 100 it probably wouldn’t though. What Torres did actually did cause injury, and probably would 3 times out of 10 maybe. The difference is that the Torres hit was at least a hockey play that crossed the line. What Weber did was literally just assault another player, intending to cause injury. Not suspending that type of play sets a terrible precedent.

Shanahan has no credibility anymore. Yes, some of the calls he has to make are tough but Shea Weber was not one of them. That should’ve been the easiest suspension he ever had to call.

Posted by awould on 04/23/12 at 11:13 PM ET

Exactly what I was thinking, just worded a lot better than I could have. It still boggles my mind that the league suspends based on injury and not the fact that the play is dangerous. It makes about as much sense as Shanahan’s legal comparison…

Posted by Iggy_Rules on 04/24/12 at 02:41 AM ET

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Shanahan could calm all this crap down by simply owning up to making a mistake by not nailing Weber for a game or two.  That would be the mature and responsible thing to do.

Doc

Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 04/24/12 at 02:53 AM ET

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Reminder:

The Trolls dont feed them

-Yoda

Posted by Lucce from Kingdom of Zweden on 04/24/12 at 03:48 AM ET

phillyphever's avatar

Man, talk about some crybabies on here.

Posted by phillyphever on 04/24/12 at 05:04 PM ET

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