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As the Red Wings find themselves among a crowd of Doan/Semin bidders, ‘the program’ > $$$

Via RedWingsFeed, with the Caroina Hurricanes GM Jim Rutherford confirming that the Red Wings are anything but alone in the, “If Shane Doan doesn’t sign here, we’re interested in Alex Semin” sweepstakes, and the news that Doan visited the Rangers and Flyers (per Yahoo Sports’ Sean Leahy) isn’t exactly super fantastic, either…

But with a boatload of CBA uncertainty and one restricted free agent to re-sign in Justin Abdelkader, the Macomb Daily’s Chuck Pleiness doesn’t believe that the Wings will waste their cap space by simply trying to out-spend their rivals in attempts to bring a 20-plus goal-scorer to Detroit:

The Wings still need a top-six forward and a top-four defensemen, which there are none left on the open market and therefore a trade may need to be made in order to fill that void.

If Doan decides to remain in Phoenix or chooses another destination to finish his career, Detroit could still make a pitch for Alexander Semin, who remains unsigned three weeks since free agency started.Semin, who has averaged 31 goals over the past six season with the Washington Capitals, would like a long-team deal from a team, but may have to accept something short term, since there is a huge question mark about his commitment.

Former NHL coach Marc Crawford said Semin falls into a category of “complete loser” and has “no character,” while analyst Pierre McGuire continued to pile on, calling the Russian the “ultimate coach killer.”

But the line seems to be forming for Semin, starting with Carolina. Hurricanes GM Jim Rutherford told the News and Observer that they have expressed interest in Semin, but added they “wouldn’t want to get locked in to anything, because (they’ve) heard all the stories about him.”

Semin, who scored just seven more goals (21) last season than Detroit’s Drew Miller and $5 million more in salary, appears he wants to stay in the NHL or he would have probably taken a more lucrative deal to play in the KHL.

Once Doan finally makes his decision the offers for Semin should start rolling in no matter his reputation and it could begin a bidding war. And if the past practices mean anything, the Wings won’t overpay for a player no matter what.

I hate to use the line because it even annoys me at this point, but as the Wings continue to aggressively pursue every option to improve their team, they’ve still got to sell their “program” to players instead of tossing $6 or $7 million at a player simply because someone else is bidding for said player.

It makes me cringe to say that, mind you, but it’s the truth.

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I can’t wait to be the second choice for doan after he signs somewhere else. And it’s gonna be twice as sweet to be Semins second choice after he immediately signs somewhere after doan goes. Then we can all pat ourselves on the asses and talk about how we were among the finalists to land both! What a great offseason! We ALMOST had a lot of great players!!

Posted by NHLrick on 07/21/12 at 11:13 PM ET

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Oh well, at least I’m cooking a turducken with a frosty beverage on a sunny day.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 07/21/12 at 11:20 PM ET

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I think that if Detroit had anywhere near as much interest in Semin as the media and fans have, he would have been signed already.  I think they realize that simply playing with Pavel Datsyuk isn’t enough for someone who doesn’t care to grow a heart, and they don’t want to have two natural goal scorers who are only going to play when they want to because what happens if Franzen and Semin become friends and decide to take an extended vacation together in the middle of the season.

Posted by Garth on 07/21/12 at 11:31 PM ET

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Hurricanes GM Jim Rutherford told the News and Observer that they have expressed interest in Semin, but added they “wouldn’t want to get locked in to anything, because (they’ve) heard all the stories about him.”

Wow, wouldn’t I love to sign there if I was Semin? Way to tip-toe through the tulips there, Rutherford.

Posted by Mr. Fnytelhatt on 07/21/12 at 11:35 PM ET

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He might have the best shot in the league.  Is that really not worth taking a chance on?  It’s not like you can bank saved cap-space…

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 07/21/12 at 11:37 PM ET

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If the Wings can get Semin for two years I say take the chance no matter what Doan ends up doing. 

And it’s not been a very good off season no matter what happens with these two.

Posted by HockeyFanOhio from Central Ohio on 07/21/12 at 11:48 PM ET

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I hate to use the line because it even annoys me at this point, but as the Wings continue to aggressively pursue every option to improve their team, they’ve still got to sell their “program” to players instead of tossing $6 or $7 million at a player simply because someone else is bidding for said player.


This doesn’t really make sense though.  You have to toss money at someone.  That’s the only way you can sign players, or else you can trade for one.  Problem is that every and any player who’s been a free agent or available through a trade [of the ilk who can IMPROVE your team] costs more than the Wings (according to the media and some bloggers wink).

All that cap space doesn’t mean much if you don’t use it.

Posted by snafu from North America on 07/22/12 at 12:08 AM ET

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—- should read “costs more than the Wings want to spend”.

Posted by snafu from North America on 07/22/12 at 12:09 AM ET

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I hope they don’t make any more moves this summer… I really want them to take this team into the regular season.  Wings do the best when they’re “underdogs” and have that chip on their shoulder while also having enough umph in the line-up to keep everyone’s motor running.  This is a VERY blue-collar looking team, and I love that.  I say roll with it.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/22/12 at 12:44 AM ET

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What about an incentive laden contract for Semin. $3.5 million base salary, with a million bonus at 30 goals, 1/2 million at 35 and another million at 45, and what the hell, another million at 55.
Also, why is noone excited that at least Nashville is going to be remarkably easier to play against this year. Just stealing Tootoo makes them easier to play against, but take away Suter and potentially Weber and they are much easier to beat for sure. Lidstrom+Stuart < Weber+Suter. When Nash gets traded out of the Central that will be a lot of elite talent to leave a single division in one summer.

Posted by Datsyuk4Captain from Denton on 07/22/12 at 12:59 AM ET

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I totally agree with hockeytownoverhaul..let’s roll with it… Let’s Go Red Wings.!!

Posted by Gary A$$ SUCK !! from Fort Myers, Florida on 07/22/12 at 01:07 AM ET

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All the Semin bashing cracks me up.  He’s made out to be the scum of the earth, and the funny thing is all the people talking the most about him have never coached him or played with him.  It’s all what they’ve heard.  The guy played on the same team his entire career, so if he was really that bad of a teammate and human being why didn’t Washington get rid of him years ago?  Truth is he’s not the only player on the recent Caps team to be known as a coach killer.  That entire team had maturity issues for years.  When Ovechkin is your leader what exactly do you expect from the rest of the team.  The reason Semin could thrive in Detroit is because there are actual leaders in the locker room.  I’m not pretending to know that it will all work out, but lets not pretend to know Semin will automatically be a cancer either.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 07/22/12 at 01:26 AM ET

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It would be great if the Wings could get Doan. But this waiting game is getting old quick. First Parise and that other joker, now Doan. How badly do the Wings really need a player like Doan? The Wings are in need someone to replace Brad Stuart. (Lidstrom is irreplaceable.) Doan is not that player. And neither is Semin. But at least Semin isn’t holding things up. I say screw Doan and sign Semin for one year. Two years if that’s what it takes for him to sign. If it doesn’t work out it doesn’t work out. The Wings need defense. Not offense. I don’t understand why Red Wing management is getting caught up in this waiting game again for a player that will not fill the hole created when Lidstrom retired and Stuart was dealt.

Posted by John from Michigan on 07/22/12 at 01:55 AM ET

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Breaking News—-> NHL team doctors have just discovered that all top level, NHL FA’s and UFA’s have a unique ANTI-RED WINGS gene. Or, the Wings don’t have the “magic password,” therein preventing Weber and his ilk from meaningful dialogue, any dialogue (Howson) or field trips to Detroit.  Above everything else that has transpired in the last 2 months, the BIGGEST story is the Wings being shutout of this year’s entire free agency process.  I expect Rod Serling to give the next presser.  This is the Twilight Zone.

Posted by beelza on 07/22/12 at 05:23 AM ET

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Bashing Semin and Ovie is just as ridiculous as when these analyst used to bash Yzerman (and for those in their early to mid 20’s-it used to happen frequently) and point to the late 80’s when Stevie Wonder used to put up Ovie numbers and fail in the playoffs ...remember Don Cherry coming out and interrupting the reading of the top 75 players in 1992 to celebrate the NHL’s 75th with where’s Yzerman? you people do a hatchet job comments?

The Wings would be lucky to get Semin…

KH obviously thinks the cap is going down enough he will be able to pilfer other team’s rosters…it’s a risky strategy for a team accustomed to success. But so is signing a 35yr old that plays a physical game.

Posted by dca from in Mich on 07/22/12 at 06:52 AM ET

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I don’t understand why Red Wing management is getting caught up in this waiting game again for a player that will not fill the hole created when Lidstrom retired and Stuart was dealt.

Posted by John from Michigan on 07/21/12 at 11:55 PM ET

Not arguing there’s a sudden and significant drop off of NHL talent on the Blue Line, but Detroit has more than one hole to fill. Trying to fill the offensive holes does not preclude filling the defensive set. They are not exclusive.

Scoring one or two goals per playoff game leads to first and second round exits.  Doan’s offensive numbers decreased because the entire team had little offensive ability.  He can score the tough goals needed in the playoffs, beefing up the offensive punch and making the Wings difficult to defend on whatever second or third line combination you put him on while the top 3 or 6 are wearing out the top 4 defenders.  $7M, no, but in this off season maybe even as much as $6 or $5.5M for a career character and heart player with offensive ability and unquestioned lockerroom and on-ice lead by example play.  I don’t know if there’s anything to that 4/$30M rumor that came out right after July 1, but if the Wings don’t offer $5.5-$6.0 they will not even be considered as serious suitors.

Semin’s 31 goals could put any perceived or actual lockerroom cancer into remission, and true that there has been something amiss with the Caps for several years regardless of their significant talent level, if Semin is blamed he’s certainly not the only one.

Nevertheless, virtually every club believes there is something of a risk to Semin, otherwise he would be signed by now.  In this talent-shallow summer and crazy salaries, why else aren’t there a line of offers to lock up a rare 27-something year old 30 goal scorer for 10 years at $6-7M?  That appears to be a bargain, so why hasn’t it been done?  If 8-16 clubs have interest in a 35 year old Doan, all of them know there’s a 75% chance he’ll stay in Phoenix, so why not just grab Semin before your competitor does?

Players talk, coaches and GMs talk amongst themselves in the off season on fishing boats, golfing, at the face off circle waiting for the TV time out to finish.  There is some significant stench to Semin, I don’t claim to know what it is, or whether justified, but regardless, it is obviously believed on a wide scale by those who matter.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/22/12 at 12:52 PM ET

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I would hope Red Wings are a lot smarter than to listen to known Russian player haters like Crawford and midget Pierre. Semin is at the same talent level as Crosby and Ovechkin, and is probably motivated to prove the haters wrong. Why not offer a 2 year deal at 6-7 mil and possibly have a 40 goal scorer.

Posted by George0211 on 07/22/12 at 01:00 PM ET

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Why not offer a 2 year deal at 6-7 mil and possibly have a 40 goal scorer.

Posted by George0211 on 07/22/12 at 11:00 AM ET

That is a good question.  Why hasn’t that been done by just one of a high number of teams who need and can afford an elite scoring forward?

With all the whacked and overpriced signings that we’ve seen for far less talent, why has no one locked up Semin?

Collusion?  Severe distrust of the player?  It is peculiar.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 07/22/12 at 01:51 PM ET

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All the Semin bashing cracks me up.

What cracks me up is the amount of fans who think they know more than the 30 GMs in the NHL who aren’t in any kind of rush to sign Semin.

It couldn’t possibly be that GMs talk to each other and also talk to their coaches and players -who, by the way, also talk to their counterparts all over the league- and as a result aren’t simply relying on the opinions of the likes of Crawford and McGuire -who, by the way, get their info from players, agents, coaches and GMs that they talk to- when deciding who they’re going to pursue.

Sometimes, just sometimes, people actually earn their reputations.

Posted by Garth on 07/22/12 at 03:13 PM ET

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That is a good question.  Why hasn’t that been done by just one of a high number of teams who need and can afford an elite scoring forward?

With all the whacked and overpriced signings that we’ve seen for far less talent, why has no one locked up Semin?

Collusion?  Severe distrust of the player?  It is peculiar.

Posted by RWBill from hiding indoors from Virginia heat. on 07/22/12 at 11:51 AM ET

How do you know that some teams didn’t contact him? Maybe Semin only wants to go to certain teams. My point is that there is a bidding war now or will be soon for Doan, who at the end of all that might say “I’m re-signing with Phoenix anyway”. As soon as that’s over there is going to be a bidding war for Semin, so why not bypass all that and go after him now. I don’t know if any of you watched the worlds a couple months ago, but Semin looked great on the line with Pav, albeit only for a couple games.

Posted by George0211 on 07/23/12 at 09:19 AM ET

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As soon as that’s over there is going to be a bidding war for Semin

That’s what people were saying while the Suter/Parise sweepstakes was going on.  “As soon as Parise decides where he’s going Semin’s going to be snapped up ASAP.”

People need to stop pretending that anyone in the NHL thinks Semin is a priority signing.  He’s either going to go to a shitty team that needs to fill their cap or he’s likely going to have to take a discount on a one-year deal with a team he wants to play on if he wants to stay in the NHL.

I don’t know if any of you watched the worlds a couple months ago, but Semin looked great on the line with Pav, albeit only for a couple games.

I don’t know if you’ve watched his past two NHL seasons…

Posted by Garth on 07/23/12 at 01:03 PM ET

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hat’s what people were saying while the Suter/Parise sweepstakes was going on.  “As soon as Parise decides where he’s going Semin’s going to be snapped up ASAP.”

People need to stop pretending that anyone in the NHL thinks Semin is a priority signing.  He’s either going to go to a shitty team that needs to fill their cap or he’s likely going to have to take a discount on a one-year deal with a team he wants to play on if he wants to stay in the NHL.

And that was true until Doan became available, then everyone went after him. Never underestimate NHL GMs and owners overpaying players.

Posted by George0211 on 07/23/12 at 01:05 PM ET

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why doesn’t anyone mention detroit is now a small town and crime ridden?  Hockey players appear to be above average intelligence.  Can’t imagi ne a good reason why they would want to come to this city.  Even Shanihan chose to live across the River.

Posted by Joyce from livonia on 07/24/12 at 06:04 PM ET

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