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Airport shenanigans as the Red Wings and everyone else continue to wait for Suter and Parise

Updated 8x at 1:45 PM: the Wings have officially signed Max Nicastro and Marek Tvrdon: What a mess. Yahoo Sports’ Nicholas J. Cotsonika has the news scoop of the day thus far: a gentleman named Brian Idalski spotted Red Wings coach Mike Babcock at the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport,* most likely catching a connecting flight from Detroit to Saskatoo (I’ve flown to Winnipeg many times through the U.S., and flights to Winnipeg, Calgary, Saskatoon, Edmonton, etc. originate from MSP), but that’s got the hockey world buzzing given that free agency has ground to a halt—and ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun will explain why that is:

The wait continued Tuesday morning as Zach Parise and Ryan Suter contemplated the biggest decisions of their hockey lives.

Parise was slated to fly back to his native Minnesota on Tuesday and it wasn’t clear when he’d have a decision made, although a source close to him thought sometime Tuesday was a probability. Likewise, Suter remained undecided.

“When a young man is asked to commit for 13 years, why is it considered extraordinary to take a few days to make a decision? A deal will happen when it happens,” Suter’s agent Neil Sheehy told ESPN.com via email Tuesday morning.

While the hockey world waits on Paris and Suter, other UFAs also wait. Matt Carle is the top UFA defenseman after Suter and you have to think it won’t take long after Suter signs for Carle to also agree to terms with one of the teams that swung and missed on Suter.

I like Carle a lot as a player. It’s going to be a terrific consolation prize for a Suter suitor. And so, the Carle camp sits and waits.

“Patience is a critical component of this process and we have plenty of it,” Carle’s agent Kurt Overhardt told ESPN.com via email Tuesday morning.

Given the gabba about the Wings possibly being in the Rick Nash sweepstakes, this is a refreshing note…

A source close to the Rick Nash situation told ESPN.com Tuesday morning there is still nothing imminent on the trade front. Of course, Parise still hadn’t signed yet either, which is the moment the Blue Jackets were waiting to get the ball seriously going again on that front. The suitors I think remain the Rangers and Sharks and potentially the Hurricanes. Carolina is not on Nash’s “list” but the ‘Canes would love to get Nash and they’re hoping he’ll change his mind. If I’m Rick Nash, I give Carolina some thought. The Canes are a team on the rise with good young talent and, of course, the recent Jordan Staal acquisition.

LeBrun says that the Ducks want a 2nd line center in exchange for Bobby Ryan, so no, Wings fans, that’s not going to happen. The Wings value Valtteri Filppula’s versatility much more than you might think…

And in his insider-only blog, ESPN’s Craig Custance explains one of the reasons why Suter and Parise are taking their time:

The interest in Suter and Parise has been every bit as widespread as expected. Part of it is because they’re great players but there may be an attempt among the general managers in the league to get one last star player locked into a cap-friendly contract before the rules are rewritten. Some people expect that the next CBA will come with limits on contract length although Kelly believes that won’t be the case. He sees other limitations coming.

“The next CBA is definitely going to put some kind of control on it,” he said. “They’ll deal with the heavy front-end loading that’s going on. There will be some type of formula that says there can’t be much more than a certain percentage increase and decreased from one year or the next in the body of the contract.” The bottom line? “I know the owners would love to cap it at five or six years,” he said. “I know the union will resist that.”


Update: From the AP’s Larry Lage, via the Detroit News:

Ryan Suter and Zach Parise are in Day 3 of NHL free agency with some wondering why they haven’t made a decision on where to play. The Red Wings are pursuing both players.

Suter’s agent, Neil Sheehy, has heard enough. He tells The Associated Press: “When a young man is asked to commit for 13 years, why is it considered extraordinary to take a few days to make a decision? A deal will happen when it happens.”

Parise told reporters on Monday that he was getting closer to a decision, saying he hadn’t set deadlines.

The two free agents are both 27.

*For the record, Babcock is also doing a book tour for Leave No Doubt in Western Canada, so he’s got a good reason to go home.


Update #0.5: According to DetroitRedWings.com’s Bill Roose, Jonas Gustavsson is at the Joe today.

Update #1: From The Free Press’s Helene St. James, via RedWingsFeed:

Ryan Suter and Zach Parise are in Day 3 of NHL free agency with some wondering why they haven’t made a decision on where to play.

Suter’s agent, Neil Sheehy, has heard enough. He tells The Associated Press: “When a young man is asked to commit for 13 years, why is it considered extraordinary to take a few days to make a decision? A deal will happen when it happens.”

Parise told reporters on Monday that he was getting closer to a decision, saying he hadn’t set deadlines.

And from HSJ on Twitter:

Ryan Suter agent Neil Sheehy tells Free Press: “A decision is forthcoming but…. everything needs to be considered carefully.”

And from the Wings:

Monster is here, and we think he looks good in the winged wheel. http://pic.twitter.com/CMMD2O7Q

Argh, image too big!

Update #2: If you are interested, the Calgary Herald’s Scott Cruickshank penned an article about Jiri Hudler signing with the Flames…

“We went hard at this,” said [Calgary Flames GM Jay] Feaster. “It wasn’t one of those (situations) where we’re saying, ‘Let’s see if we can low-ball this, offer-wise, and see what happens.’ We came right out of the box with our offer.”

When the free-agent market opened Sunday at 10 a.m., local time, Feaster got on the phone to agent Petr Svoboda. They talked throughout the day, then again at 9:30 p.m.

“And I have to think I was one of Petr’s first phone calls (Monday) morning,” said Feaster. “And I know Petr was tired of hearing from me. It took more time than we would have liked, but we understood it. Because, obviously, we weren’t the only team making offers.”

But, getting an assist from former Flames forward Todd Bertuzzi, Feaster did get his man.

“I talked to Bert for a bit,” said Hudler. “He told me a lot of great things about Calgary, about the organization, about all the people working for it.”

Last season — playing alongside centre Henrik Zetterberg and left-winger Valtteri Filppula — had been interesting for Hudler. He scored 23 of his 25 goals at even strength, but was plus-25 at home, minus-15 on the road. No matter. The Flames plan to use Hudler lots — and everywhere. On the power play. On the penalty kill. But it should be noted that he spent 53 seconds — total — on the ice last season in shorthanded situations. Perhaps now that he doesn’t have to toil behind high-wattage gents such as Pavel Datsyuk and Zetterberg, Hudler may show a burst of productivity. Right?

“It’s one of the problems, particularly in a Canadian market, oftentimes if you say something like that . . . everybody has these wild expectations and I don’t think it’s fair to the player,” said Feaster. “I’ve thought about it in the same context as when Rick Dudley was the general manager in Tampa. He acquired Freddy Modin, in his prime, from Toronto. Freddy was playing there in a third-line role. Ultimately, he came to Tampa and he was a top-line guy and scored 30 goals multiple times. I’m not comparing (the wingers) — but (Hudler) is going to have even more opportunity to flourish in our organization.

As did the Calgary Herald’s George Johnson:

Michael Cammalleri. Lee Stempniak. Sven Baertschi. Alex Tanguay. Roman Cervenka. Matt Stajan. Blake Comeau. And now Jiri Hudler.

So, how’s it hanging, guys? Monday, the Calgary Flames added skill. And they got smaller. Geez, you won’t find this many hobbits residing in the Shire and Bag End.

The signing of Hudler, late of the Detroit Red Wings, is being advertised as a coup for the three-time playoff outsiders. How significant, naturally, is up to Jiri Hudler. Right now, the Flames look as soft as a baby’s bum, as Augusta greens after a healthy rain, up front. As is, they might have to hire a cut man, a la Angelo Dundee, to work poor Tim Jackman’s corner.

“In terms of the size, I mean . . . we really feel that we have to up our skill level,’’ explained general manager Jay Feaster during Monday’s conference call introducing the new four-year, $16-million Flame. “To the extent that you can upgrade your skill and if you can do with a guy seven feet tall, that’s great. But more than worrying about how big we are, how tall we are, what our size measurement is, we want skilled players. We feel that skilled players, and particularly a player as dynamic as Jiri is, creates space. That’s one of the thing we talked about with Cervenka. He’s able to play in traffic and he does create space for himself. We recognize it’s not an overly intimidating group physically, but we’re not concerned about the size.’’
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Hudler has always been a bit of an enigma. Surrounded, his supporters might say limited, by the vast talent pool in HockeyTown, this represents his chance for additional minutes, increased responsibility. He had the highest goal total of his NHL career, 25, last season. Not exactly Mike Bossy-like, but enough to tempt Calgary.With us, in an expanded role, we’re expecting him to get better and better,’’ enthuses Hartley, who certainly doesn’t lack for enthusiasm. “At 28 years old, you reach your full potential. Maturity-wise, you’re much smarter than you were at 21, 22, 23. I feel like we’re getting the prime of Jiri Hudler and it’s up to us to maximize it.’’

 

Update #3: The Free Press’s St. James tweaked her story:

The agent for unrestricted free agent defenseman Ryan Suter—a top target of the Detroit Red Wings—said his client is making progress but won’t be rushed. Neil Sheehy told the Free Press “a decision is forthcoming” but wouldn’t say whether it will come today.

“For a young man who is looking to commit to 13 years, I find it strange that people expect him to make a decision within hours or days. Everything needs to be carefully considered. Today is another day—really, there is nothing else I can say.”

The Wings badly want to add Suter, 27, after losing Nicklas Lidstrom to retirement and Brad Stuart to the San Jose Sharks. Both were top-four defensemen, and Suter would go a long way toward ameliorating the losses, as he’s a headsy puck mover who can join the rush and really help with the Wings’ transition game.

The Wings have staunch competition for his services, including from Philadelphia and Minnesota.

The Wings also made an offer Sunday to forward Zach Parise, 27, joining Minnesota, Pittsburgh and Chicago, among others.


Update #3.5: Here’s a programming note from Bill Roose...

New #RedWings goalie Jonas Gustavsson sports a Winged Wheel jersey this morning at JLA. A Wheel Deal blog to come. http://twitpic.com/a3he4p

And Red Wings TV’s Will Posthumus promises a video interview with “The Monster” later today:

Red Wings TV exclusive interview with new @DetroitRedWings goaltender Jonas Gustavsson will be up shortly! #monster


Update #4: From Wings prospect Jake Paterson:

live chat goes today at 1pm with James Jahnke of the Detroit Free Press for all who want to tune in #QandA #wings

The chat will take place here.

 

Update #5: We all knew this happened a while ago, but the Detroit News’s Ted Kulfan is confirming the following:

Red wings sign former draft picks Max Nicastro and Marek Tvrdon

And, from Dmitry Chesnokov, via RWF:

Pavel Datsyuk brought the IIHF World Championship trophy to his home town; reportedly “half the city” came to greet him pic.twitter.com/4dYhPK1g


Update #5.5: The Wings are now confriming the Nicastro and Tvrdon signings:

Wings ink a Forward and a Defenseman!! Max Nicastro & Marek Tvrdon are signed to entry level deals. (come on, at least it’s something!)


Update #6: If you are interested, Yahoo Sports’ Greg “Puck Daddy” Wyshynski spoke to WBBL’s Bakita and Bentley this morning…

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And MLive’s Ansar Khan conducted two interviews yesterday, first with WDFN’s Matt Sheppard:

And then with WBBL’s Hugh Simonson:

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Update #7: MLive’s Ansar Khan is confirming the Tvrdon and Nicastro signings:

The Detroit Red Wings have signed a pair of prospects, defenseman Max Nicastro (two years) and left wing Marek Tvrdon (three years), to entry-level contracts.

The club selected Nicastro in the third round (91st) overall in 2008. The 22-year-old is a big, stay-at-home defenseman (6-foot-3, 215).

“He has good size, a big, strong guy, physical,’’ Red Wings assistant general manager Jim Nill said recently. “He can shoot the puck. He’s a strong skater.’‘

Nicastro had 11 goals and 22 assists in 102 games over three seasons at Boston University.

Authorities earlier this month dropped rape charges against Nicastro.

Tvrdon, whom the club selected in the fourth round in 2011 (115th overall), is a good-sized forward from Slovakia who had 31 goals, 74 points and 62 penalty minutes in 60 games for the Vancouver Giants (WHL) this past season.

Both will begin their pro careers with the Grand Rapids Griffins this upcoming season.

Update #7.5: Here’s the Wings’ press release on Nicastro and Tvrdon:

RED WINGS SIGN PROSPECTS MAREK TVRDON AND MAX NICASTRO TO ENTRY-LEVEL CONTRACTS

… Both Players set to Appear at Detroit ’s 2012 Development Camp in Traverse City …

Detroit, MI…The Detroit Red Wings today announced that forward Marek Tvrdon and defenseman Max Nicastro have both signed entry-level contracts with the team. In accordance with club policy, no further details regarding these deals will be disclosed.

Selected by Detroit in the fourth round (115th overall) of the 2011 NHL Entry Draft, Tvrdon has spent the last two seasons with the Vancouver Giants (WHL) where he has recorded 85 points (37G-48A) in 72 games played. In six playoff games with the Giants last season, Tvrdon tallied 3G-3A-6P. Tvrdon, 19, was selected by Vancouver in the opening round (13th overall) of the 2010 CHL Import Draft after registering 45GP-25G-31A-56P with his hometown HC Nitra in Slovakia ’s top junior league in 2009-10. The 6’2”, 212-lb. winger represented his country at the 2012 IIHF World Junior Championships (6GP-3G-1A-4P) as well as the 2010 IIHF U-18 Championships (6G-3G-1A-4P).

Detroit’s second pick (third round, 91st overall) at the 2008 NHL Entry Draft, Nicastro has spent the last three years at Boston University (NCAA). The 22-year-old native of Thousand Oaks , CA registered 33 points (11G-22A) in 102 appearances with the Terriers. Prior to enrolling at BU, Nicastro was a member of the USHL’s Chicago Steel where he registered 115GP-15G-36A-51P-162PIM over the course of two seasons. The 6’3”, 210-lb. blue-liner won Gold with Team U.S.A. at the 2008 World Junior ‘A’ Challenge in central Alberta and as a member of the American U-17 Select Team at the 2006 Three Nations Tournament in upstate New York .

Tvrdon and Nicastro will join 39 of their fellow aspiring NHLers at the 2012 edition of Detroit Red Wings Development Camp, scheduled to take place from July 7-13 at Traverse City’s Centre Ice Arena. More information on this event can be obtained by visiting http://www.centreice.org

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Update #8: The Macomb Daily’s Chuck Pleiness updates the Joey MacDonald trade issue:

There has been speculation since the Wings signed Jonas Gustavsson that Joey MacDonald wants out of Detroit.

The one thing Wings GM Ken Holland knows for sure is that MacDonald doesn’t want to be in the American Hockey League.

“His agent called and wanted to know what was the plan for him,” Holland said. “He doesn’t want to be in the AHL. If we can find Joey an opportunity in the NHL, we will.”

MacDonald’s season ended after a back injury, which won’t need surgery.

MacDonald, 32, has one year remaining on his one-way contract at $550,000, which means he’ll get paid the same amount of money if he’s in the NHL or minors.

The Wings would have a hard time trying to deal MacDonald because if they tried sending him to the minors he would have to clear waivers and any team could claim him. Plus, not many teams are looking for goalies.>

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Vladimir16's avatar

Why would Babs be heading to Saskatoon? It’s not like his job is done for the summer and he’s headed home for some R&R

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/03/12 at 01:30 PM ET

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What’s refreshing about that Nash note?  Considering the Wings will have not improved one bit without Parise and/or Suter, I find it disturbing that the Wings aren’t in on Nash.

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 07/03/12 at 01:30 PM ET

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Hmmm, his agent says he is making a decision for the next 13 years. Which team has offered him a 13 year contract?  (or is he just implying that where he signs will likely be where he stayts?)

Posted by gusoline on 07/03/12 at 01:32 PM ET

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Posted by gusoline on 07/03/12 at 11:32 AM ET


I’m guessing at least one team offered up a 13-year deal.

Posted by Itrusteddrrahmani from Nyc by way of A2 on 07/03/12 at 01:33 PM ET

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Ken Holland’s job of the day: Convincing Anaheim that Emmerton and Abdelkader are both future 2nd line Centers

Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 07/03/12 at 01:35 PM ET

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Franzen ‘can’ play center.  smile

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 07/03/12 at 01:36 PM ET

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What about Jagr. I hope to hell we don’t go after him, but are we?

Posted by Itrusteddrrahmani from Nyc by way of A2 on 07/03/12 at 01:37 PM ET

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I find it disturbing that the Wings aren’t in on Nash.

The statement doesnt mean they aren’t trying.  Both Nash and CBJ also have to be in on Det.  And, its all just speculation anyway.

Posted by jwad on 07/03/12 at 01:38 PM ET

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Franzen ‘can’ play center. 
Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 07/03/12 at 11:36 AM ET

NICE!

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/03/12 at 01:39 PM ET

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I have no trouble believing a team offered him 13 years.  My question is - which team.  From the way the statement is worded it sounds like he is pondering whether or not to accept that offer.

Posted by gusoline on 07/03/12 at 01:41 PM ET

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I agree George, what is so refreshing to ehar the Wings are not in on Nash?  And if not, I would expect them to be right in Murray’s face when the subject of Ryan comes up.  If you’re not named Zetterberg, Daysuk Kronwall or Smith best be ready to hear your name tossed around in trade rumors.

Posted by booyah! from chicago on 07/03/12 at 01:41 PM ET

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If you’re not named Zetterberg, Daysuk Kronwall or Smith best be ready to hear your name tossed around in trade rumors.
Posted by booyah! from chicago on 07/03/12 at 11:41 AM ET

Yep and according to Capgeek there’s a few w/ a no trade clause so I assume (yeah I know all about making assumptions) this would be their untouchable list:

Datsyuk
Zetterberg
Samuelsson
Cleary
Bertuzzi
Kronwall
Ericsson
I’ll even throw Franzen in because I don’t think anybody would touch that contract

Everyone else is fair game… except maybe Helm…. and Smith….

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/03/12 at 01:49 PM ET

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You know what’s disturbing about Nash? The asking price. As long as you’re prepared to give up Nyquist, Smith, Abby and a 1st then that deal is likely done yesterday. Anybody feel like giving up our two best and most NHL ready prospects when Semin would cost nothing but money? Semin is no Nash, but the dude could score 30+ goals in his sleep on Pavs line.

Posted by cainer4wingsglory on 07/03/12 at 01:50 PM ET

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Posted by Vladimir16 on 07/03/12 at 11:49 AM ET

Cleary’s NTC has expired, and Bertuzzi’s and Ericsson’s are “modified” so technically they aren’t untouchable.

And I would argue that while Franzen’s contract is long, the cap hit is low, so I bet there would be plenty of teams interested should he become available.

Posted by Garth on 07/03/12 at 01:56 PM ET

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Cleary’s NTC has expired, and Bertuzzi’s and Ericsson’s are “modified” so technically they aren’t untouchable.

And I would argue that while Franzen’s contract is long, the cap hit is low, so I bet there would be plenty of teams interested should he become available.

Posted by Garth on 07/03/12 at 11:56 AM ET

You just made my day!

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/03/12 at 02:00 PM ET

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Suter’s agent, Neil Sheehy, has heard enough. He tells The Associated Press: “When a young man is asked to commit for 13 years, why is it considered extraordinary to take a few days to make a decision? A deal will happen when it happens.”

So that the endless chatter about where they’re signing for life is over and done with and the rest of the league’s GMs can get going with their rosters for training camp…dipshit.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 07/03/12 at 02:02 PM ET

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What’s refreshing about that Nash note?  Considering the Wings will have not improved one bit without Parise and/or Suter, I find it disturbing that the Wings aren’t in on Nash.
Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 07/03/12 at 11:30 AM ET

CBus is asking way too much, and that’s to send him to a team in the east (NYR IIRC). The asking price to send him to the Wings would be beyond Obscene.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 07/03/12 at 02:03 PM ET

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Every team in the leafue would be interested in Franzen (and that contract).  His contract is among the most friendly to the team and cap in the league.  (Which is why he won’t be traded, IMO.)

Posted by BobaFett from Las Vegas on 07/03/12 at 02:03 PM ET

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Posted by Vladimir16 on 07/03/12 at 12:00 PM ET

The unfortunate thing is that, no-trade or not, Bertuzzi is untouchable because…well…who the hell wants him?

Posted by Garth on 07/03/12 at 02:03 PM ET

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Considering the Wings will have not improved one bit without Parise and/or Suter

And if they end up not getting either then throw half the team at Columbus to get Nash then they won’t improve either.

Posted by Garth on 07/03/12 at 02:05 PM ET

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Posted by BobaFett from Las Vegas on 07/03/12 at 12:03 PM ET

The thing is, if Franzen ever fulfills his potential then it will be a great contract, but for a guy who doesn’t score 30 goals and takes every second game off, it’s not a great contract.  There will be plenty of teams who, like Calgary with Hudler, would think that Franzen will obviously flourish in their environment like he hasn’t done in Detroit, so it’s an attractive contract.  It also means that Detroit can get better return for him, since they know that he doesn’t play every game and probably won’t ever fulfill his potential.

Get rid of it now while it’s still got great value, don’t wait till he’s a 37-year old never-scored-40 hasbeen.

Posted by Garth on 07/03/12 at 02:08 PM ET

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Every team in the leafue would be interested in Franzen (and that contract).  His contract is among the most friendly to the team and cap in the league.  (Which is why he won’t be traded, IMO.)

Posted by BobaFett from Las Vegas on 07/03/12 at 12:03 PM ET

I didn’t realize this, so…

Get rid of it now while it’s still got great value, don’t wait till he’s a 37-year old never-scored-40 hasbeen.
Posted by Garth on 07/03/12 at 12:08 PM ET

This ^^^^

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/03/12 at 02:14 PM ET

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Babcock has a book tour scheduled for this July, and he made his pitch to Parise, or tried to, anyway, on Sunday. He needs to get back to Western Canada.

I don’t imagine that Franzen would be moved…

And the “refreshing” part of the Nash news involves the fact that the Blue Jackets were asking the New York Rangers for 2 top-six forwards, a top-six defenseman, three top prospects and 2 or 3 first-round draft picks, all for one player who may or may not live up to his billing. That’s an insane amount of assets to give up for one player, and the price for the Wings is likely to be even higher.

Regardless of how appealing Nash may be, it doesn’t make much sense to sell the stable and all the studs in it to buy one racehorse.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/03/12 at 02:20 PM ET

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Babcock has a book tour scheduled for this July, and he made his pitch to Parise, or tried to, anyway, on Sunday. He needs to get back to Western Canada.

It’s pure speculation that Babcock needs to get back to Western Canada. It would be quite the coincidence if Babcock is in Minnesota on the same day that Parise is heading back.

And the “refreshing” part of the Nash news involves the fact that the Blue Jackets were asking the New York Rangers for 2 top-six forwards, a top-six defenseman, three top prospects and 2 or 3 first-round draft picks, all for one player who may or may not live up to his billing. That’s an insane amount of assets to give up for one player, and the price for the Wings is likely to be even higher.

There’s no way in hell they get a package close to that from any team. We all know that. The price will be high, but if they can’t get Parise or Semin, it’s probably worth it.

Posted by Rice on 07/03/12 at 02:25 PM ET

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To add to my above post, the Jackets don’t have much leverage. There’s a set amount of teams they can trade with and Nash wants out. Do you realistically think it would take Filppula, Franzen, Ericsson, Nyquist, Smith, Jurco, and 2-3 firsts for him? No chance.

Posted by Rice on 07/03/12 at 02:29 PM ET

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What will it take to get Bobby Ryan compared to getting Nash?

Posted by Lord QWZ from Lansing on 07/03/12 at 02:32 PM ET

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What will it take to get Bobby Ryan compared to getting Nash?
Posted by Lord QWZ from Lansing on 07/03/12 at 12:32 PM ET

Good question. Me thinks if a big trade is gonna happen that’s who we’re targeting.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/03/12 at 02:39 PM ET

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So is it true Babs was in the baggage claim area wearing a chauffer’s hat with a cardboard sign with “Zach Parise” scribbled in magic marker?  Ingenious.

Posted by Colquohoun on 07/03/12 at 02:41 PM ET

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I’m hearing all sorts of crazy things about what Babs is doing, whether he’s going to visit Parise, Suter, etc. Who knows. My best guess is that he’s heading back to Saskatchewan.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/03/12 at 02:42 PM ET

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Suter’s Cow says MOO!

http://twitter.com/#!/@RyanSutersCow

Posted by PuckMucker from Detroit on 07/03/12 at 02:42 PM ET

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HUDLER ON THE PENALTY KILL????


haahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahhahhahhaha

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 07/03/12 at 02:45 PM ET

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So is it true Babs was in the baggage claim area wearing a chauffer’s hat with a cardboard sign with “Zach Parise” scribbled in magic marker?  Ingenious.

Posted by Colquohoun on 07/03/12 at 12:41 PM ET

Win

Posted by RyanVM from Philly on 07/03/12 at 02:49 PM ET

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And the “refreshing” part of the Nash news involves the fact that the Blue Jackets were asking the New York Rangers for 2 top-six forwards, a top-six defenseman, three top prospects and 2 or 3 first-round draft picks, all for one player who may or may not live up to his billing. That’s an insane amount of assets to give up for one player, and the price for the Wings is likely to be even higher.

Regardless of how appealing Nash may be, it doesn’t make much sense to sell the stable and all the studs in it to buy one racehorse.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 07/03/12 at 12:20 PM ET

By that logic he’s not going to NYR either.. or Philly.  By that logic he’s not moving because no one is giving up those kinds of assets for him.  Howson HAS TO TRADE HIM though.  So who has the leverage?  Do you go in to buy a car expecting to pay sticker price?  Be realistic about what it will take to move him.

3 Roster players, a high level prospect and maybe a draft pick.  Give them a top 6 CENTER which they would LOVE in Flip.  Throw in one of Miller of Eaves (rather keep miller) and Emmerton.  Also throw in Tatar and Joey Mac.  4 Roster players a top6 center for the Jackets, a couple character guys, Tatar could play in the NHL on most teams next year,  Eaves and Emmerton (Eaves has broke 20 goals before, used right could do it again I feel)  So that’s 2 20 goal scorers, an NHL ready prospect and Emmerton.  Throw in some picks and that’s not a bad haul for any team.  Especially one that’s going to be FORCED to trade him sooner or later.

I can tell you that NRY aren’t letting Kreider go and they’re still int he running, so how is Detroit not because we wont give up Smith?  And they wanted McDunaugh too.. that’s not happening obviously.  We’re in the hunt because the reasons you think we aren’t, no team would be.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/03/12 at 02:49 PM ET

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Babcock has a book tour scheduled for this July

If so, screw this guy.

Posted by Herm from the office on 07/03/12 at 02:52 PM ET

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Sorry AND a PROVEN backup goalie?  Might even steal the starting job down there.

5 potetential roster players spread out over the roster.  They’re getting a top tier 2-way center.  2-3 PK’ers.  a PP guy (potentially two in Eaves).  Gotta spend money to make money too George, can’t keep all the Wings we ever get as much as you’d like to.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/03/12 at 02:54 PM ET

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HockeytownOverhaul, I think you’re drastically over exaggerating the trade value of a guy who scored twenty goals SEVEN years ago, has only ever broken 30 points once (six years ago), and who missed SEVENTY GAMES due to a concussion last year. 

We all love Eaves but he has no value as a trade chip.

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 07/03/12 at 03:05 PM ET

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HockeytownOverhaul, I think you’re drastically over exaggerating the trade value of a guy who scored twenty goals SEVEN years ago, has only ever broken 30 points once (six years ago), and who missed SEVENTY GAMES due to a concussion last year. 

We all love Eaves but he has no value as a trade chip.


We have to trade him and get him out of Sammy’s line of fire.

Posted by Cal on 07/03/12 at 03:15 PM ET

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If we do trade him (and I really hope we do not), I wonder if we can keep his dog.

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 07/03/12 at 03:20 PM ET

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So Eaves is the breaking point for you then?  One of our best PK guys before getting injured?

Flip,Eaves, Emmerton, Tatar, MacDonald, 1st rounder.  And you think I’m overvaluing one of our top PK guys?  All for one player with a bad contract who they HAVE to trade.  ????

You think NYR are prepared to offer a deal better than that?

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/03/12 at 03:22 PM ET

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3 Roster players, a high level prospect and maybe a draft pick.  Give them a top 6 CENTER which they would LOVE in Flip.  Throw in one of Miller of Eaves (rather keep miller) and Emmerton.  Also throw in Tatar and Joey Mac.  4 Roster players a top6 center for the Jackets, a couple character guys, Tatar could play in the NHL on most teams next year,  Eaves and Emmerton (Eaves has broke 20 goals before, used right could do it again I feel)  So that’s 2 20 goal scorers, an NHL ready prospect and Emmerton.  Throw in some picks and that’s not a bad haul for any team.  Especially one that’s going to be FORCED to trade him sooner or later.

No way that would do it.  Eaves has hit 20 before and is still relatively young, but as of right now, he’s an injury prone checker.  Emmerton hasn’t proven much, has little potential and is probably waiver fodder in the fall.  Joey Mac is a decent team guy with some experience, but he’s never proven he can hold down a back up job at the NHL level.  He’s probably waiver fodder too.  Tater is the only thing in that package worth anything to Carolina.  Howson won’t get what he wants for Nash, but he can still get more then this, and if he has to, it looks like he’s willing to wait it out until Nash adds some teams to his list.

Posted by henrymalredo from Lansing on 07/03/12 at 03:23 PM ET

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