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Afternoon news: on Tavares, ‘close to the NHL’ prospects, signage and…signage

Of Red Wings-related note this afternoon:

1. NHL.com's Dan Rosen offered a thoughtful rebuttal to a fan question regarding John Tavares and the Red Wings:

With the potential cap relief by 2018-19, pending trades and miscellaneous contracts, what are the odds of John Tavares landing with the Detroit Red Wings, assuming he doesn't re-sign with the New York Islanders? -- @HanzeKopitar

I think Tavares is going to re-sign with the Islanders, so this very well may be a moot point. However, I'll entertain your question just in case.

The odds are fair that the Red Wings will legitimately be in the market for Tavares, but it'll take some work to free up the money to sign him and keep a winning roster intact around him. He's not signing if the Red Wings look like they're going to have to rebuild; if he leaves the Islanders he'll want to go somewhere to win immediately.

As for the Red Wings and the NHL salary cap, the significant charges I could see coming off next season are that of defenseman Mike Green ($6 million), goaltender Petr Mrazek ($4 million) and forward Riley Sheahan ($2.075 million). The Red Wings must decide on a No. 1 goaltender between Mrazek and Jimmy Howard ($5.291 million) and move on from the other. That would free up some space. However, the Red Wings will need to give new contracts to forwards Dylan Larkin and Anthony Mantha. The Red Wings might be able to create a bit more cap space through trades, LTIR placements and buyouts.

So, Detroit is a realistic candidate, but I think Tavares will sign an eight-year contract with the Islanders, and the rest of the NHL will be disappointed.

2. Winging It in Motown's Michelle Thomas penned a list of the five Wings prospects closest to playing in the NHL for the Athletic:

Tyler Bertuzzi

Full time NHL projection: 2017-18
Position: Winger
Age: 22
Vitals: 6-foot-1, 194 pounds

Bertuzzi is ready for the NHL now. There’s still plenty for him to learn and improve about his game, and he’ll benefit most from continuing that process with the Red Wings. In his second full season with the Griffins, Bertuzzi increased his production slightly, reduced his penalty minutes drastically, and earned a significantly larger role on the team. He was named MVP of the Calder Cup playoffs. Bertuzzi tends to raise his game on the biggest stages. He plays with energy, tenacity, aggressiveness, and seems to feed off of making the opposition want to punch him. Bertuzzi's proven himself to be an excellent playmaker in the AHL and has a knack for entering the offensive zone with the puck. His work ethic, fearlessness, and ability to get under people’s skin are all qualities the Red Wings are looking for. Bertuzzi brings all that plus the valuable offense that the “pest” and “grit” players often lack.

She continues (paywall)

3. According to WXYZ's Max White, Little Caesars Arena's putting on some finishing details:

4. And if you are interested, Detroit City Sports is holding an autograph signing in which Dylan Larkin and Zach Werenski are co-signing on Wednesday, August 23rd.

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I would love to see Kenny’s power-point presentation to make a pitch for Tavares. Haha. Let’s see:

-Our current roster sucks.
-Adding you won’t make a huge difference.
-Our pipeline is nothing special
-Many of our contracts have NMCs and NTCs so our only legit strategy is to patiently wait for these stupid deals to expire
-But we have a new building and we can offer free pizza for life!

It’s basically the same situation as Stamkos. There is literally ZERO reason for Tavares to even answer the phone. He’s better off signing a 7-year deal somewhere, and then coming to Detroit in year 8 when Kenny’s clusterf^&* might be cleaned up.

Posted by fatsavage on 08/09/17 at 12:27 PM ET

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A lot of those NTC’s (we don’t have many NMC’s to my knowledge) have windows of opportunity.

Posted by DieByTheWing on 08/09/17 at 01:15 PM ET

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A lot of those NTC’s (we don’t have many NMC’s to my knowledge) have windows of opportunity.

Posted by DieByTheWing on 08/09/17 at 02:15 PM ET

True. Most are NTCs.Only Nielsen is NMC. And many have windows of opportunity, but the contracts themselves basically negate that window. Like getting a window to trade Abby or Ericsson is meaningless. Nobody wants them unless you are offering good quality assets as sweeteners.

I’m pretty certain Tavares and his agent will realize that there is virtually no quick fix to this roster mess. If you want to escape Abby and Helm and Ericsson and friends then you will have to piss away assets like AA, Jensen, good prospects and coveted draft picks to do so. The solution is patience. So why would Tavares even consider that? Exact same reason why Stamkos never answered the phone. We’re literally the last place guys like this will consider right now.

Posted by fatsavage on 08/09/17 at 01:24 PM ET

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With the potential cap relief by 2018-19,

 

Rosen needs a slap on the back of the head.  Potential Cap relief, 2018-19, sounds like a fairy tale

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 08/09/17 at 01:32 PM ET

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A lot of those NTC’s (we don’t have many NMC’s to my knowledge) have windows of opportunity.

And every single one of them was given out by a GM who is wildly in love with his drafted and developed mediocrity.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 08/09/17 at 01:50 PM ET

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Posted by fatsavage on 08/09/17 at 01:27 PM ET

On the other hand, those teams currently with double-digit cap space for 2017-18 are, wait for it…

Boston Bruins
Florida Panthers
Colorado Avalanche
Columbus Blue Jackets
Edmonton Oilers
Carolina Hurricanes
New Jersey Devils
Arizona Coyotes


Of those teams, FLA and EDM are, to my mind, the only “we could be champions with Tavares added” candidates.  Where is Tavares going to go that he can fit?

Posted by MoreShoot on 08/09/17 at 02:28 PM ET

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On the other hand, those teams currently with double-digit cap space for 2017-18 are, wait for it…

Boston Bruins
Florida Panthers
Colorado Avalanche
Columbus Blue Jackets
Edmonton Oilers
Carolina Hurricanes
New Jersey Devils
Arizona Coyotes


Of those teams, FLA and EDM are, to my mind, the only “we could be champions with Tavares added” candidates.  Where is Tavares going to go that he can fit?

Posted by MoreShoot on 08/09/17 at 03:28 PM ET

Umm, Tavares is playing in NYI this year. Teams with cap space right now don’t matter. Next summer, when he’s a UFA (that’s what we’re talking about here) a large number of teams will have cap space to add him. Look no further than his hometown Toronto. How about St.Louis walking away from Statsny and using that money for Tavares? How about NYR walking away from Nash and signing Tavares instead? Philly has bad contracts coming off the books. What about San Jose taking Thornton’s $8M and allocating to Tavares? Or how about the most likely scenario…he re-signs in NYI before he even becomes a UFA.

Posted by fatsavage on 08/09/17 at 02:36 PM ET

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The reason I think Tavares might consider us is Nielsen. Also centering Mantha and AA (or Tatar) might be interesting for Tavares. Islanders do not even know yet where they will play the season after that, so while I also think he will still resign with the Islanders, there is a chance he won’t. Let’s put it this way, there is a much bigger chance Tavares becomes UFA in 2018 than Doughtly becomes UFA in 2019.

Posted by VPalmer on 08/09/17 at 02:40 PM ET

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he re-signs in NYI before he even becomes a UFA.

I don’t believe that.  NYI are trending down, not up.

much bigger chance Tavares becomes UFA in 2018 than Doughtly becomes UFA in 2019.

I don’t believe that, either.  Snow isn’t losing him for nothing.

Posted by MoreShoot on 08/09/17 at 02:43 PM ET

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Snow isn’t losing him for nothing.

That doesn’t necessarily mean he isn’t going to end up a UFA.

Snow could trade him, but that doesn’t mean he’ll sign with whoever trades for him.

Of those teams, FLA and EDM are, to my mind, the only “we could be champions with Tavares added” candidates.  Where is Tavares going to go that he can fit?

Sharks will have nearly $20M.
Buffalo could have over $15M, same with Montreal.
Calgary will have more than $10M.

Maybe not necessarily “we could be champions”, but almost unquestionably all teams with better immediate futures than Detroit.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 08/09/17 at 03:05 PM ET

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Maybe not necessarily “we could be champions”, but almost unquestionably all teams with better immediate futures than Detroit.

Sadly 90% of the teams now have better immediate future than us. It will be interesting if Tavares becomes UFA and we will have a new GM next summer. As long as we are dreaming…

Posted by VPalmer on 08/09/17 at 03:11 PM ET

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San Jose Sharks make the most sense for everyone involved unless there’s a tax issue, cap space, immediate chance to win, far away from the East, and gets to play head to head with McDavid,

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 08/09/17 at 03:31 PM ET

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Wherever he ends up, it will be with a 7 or 8 year deal, probably around Jamie Benn type numbers, so that would put him around 9-10 mil a year. 

Not going to be a ton of teams able to afford that, but someone will be lucky.  He’s said before he likes the Islanders, so I really wouldn’t be surprised to see him stay, but for his own sake I wish he’d leave.

Posted by TreKronor on 08/09/17 at 04:30 PM ET

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Whatever shot we had at signing Tavares when he became free is already gone.  Tavares is not going to join a geriatric team that’s just gone through an (at least) five-year decline.  Perhaps if we’d been more aggressive with our rebuild and were already on the upswing, we’d have a chance, but we weren’t, and we aren’t.

Start dreaming about the guys who become UFAs in 2019 or 2020.  And if you want your dreams to come true, focus on guys who are expensive but old, small, slow, or terrible.

Posted by captaineclectic on 08/09/17 at 06:58 PM ET

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The reason I think Tavares might consider us is Nielsen.

It’s possible, but like many posters have stated If Tavares leave the Islanders it will more likely be a team with a shot at the Cup. The Red Wings aren’t that team. tongue laugh

Posted by bigfrog on 08/09/17 at 07:33 PM ET

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The odds are fair that the Red Wings will legitimately be in the market for Tavares, but it’ll take some work to free up the money to sign him and keep a winning roster intact around him.

Holland is unable to do that.

He’s not signing if the Red Wings look like they’re going to have to rebuild; if he leaves the Islanders he’ll want to go somewhere to win immediately.

The Wings are not going to be in a position to win immediately for quite a while so that makes this quote ludicrous:

So, Detroit is a realistic candidate

 

 

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 08/10/17 at 07:12 AM ET

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I think Detroit would be a realistic candidate other than one factor, and unfortunately it’s a huge one.  With Tavares up front, our forwards are quite good, questionable contracts aside.  But, we don’t have a good enough D.  I think if Larkin and Mantha, and other prospects continue to grow, our forwards with Tavares would be formidable.  But our D is just so bad with no positive outlook that other teams would surely be a far more desirable situation.  The winged wheel still has some allure and knowing you have ownership that will do what it takes is sill a huge draw.  That being said, I think he stays in NYI.  If he did become a FA, Det is not at the top of that list unless we somehow trip over a top pairing D.

Posted by DieByTheWing on 08/10/17 at 07:34 AM ET

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I think there’s a clear solution here: Get Tavares to transition to a defenseman.  Win win win, right?

Posted by TreKronor on 08/10/17 at 08:11 AM ET

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Posted by TreKronor on 08/10/17 at 09:11 AM

Brilliant!

Posted by DieByTheWing on 08/10/17 at 10:24 AM ET

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I think there’s a clear solution here: Get Tavares to transition to a defenseman.  Win win win, right?

Posted by TreKronor on 08/10/17 at 09:11 AM ET

We have Witkowski. I’m pretty sure when someone told Kenny that Witkowski could play forward or defense he got really excited. This is my cap solution. Who needs to carry a full roster of 23 guys when we have someone that can wear both hats. This is brilliant. I can just use 22 guys now. Why didn’t I think of this before Draper?

Posted by fatsavage on 08/10/17 at 11:12 AM ET

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I think there’s a clear solution here: Get Tavares to transition to a defenseman.  Win win win, right?

Posted by TreKronor on 08/10/17 at 09:11 AM ET

even better if he’s a righty. if not, it’s just another transition.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 08/10/17 at 11:38 AM ET

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Posted by fatsavage on 08/10/17 at 12:12 PM ET

you forgot about Sergie playing D. and playing it brilliantly.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 08/10/17 at 11:39 AM ET

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Posted by fatsavage on 08/10/17 at 12:12 PM ET

you forgot about Sergie playing D. and playing it brilliantly.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 08/10/17 at 12:39 PM ET

I didn’t forget. So did Dandenault. Both examples are irrelevant since the topic is about managing the cap. My point is, Kenny likely views Witkowski’s flexibility as an incredible asset to the organization. We can carry 22 guys rather than 23 to help him solve his self-inflicted cap woes.

P.S. It’s Sergei, not Sergie.

Posted by fatsavage on 08/10/17 at 12:42 PM ET

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P.S. It’s Sergei, not Sergie.

Posted by fatsavage on 08/10/17 at 01:42 PM ET

what ever….....

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 08/10/17 at 02:31 PM ET

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you forgot about Sergie playing D. and playing it brilliantly.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 08/10/17 at 12:39 PM ET

Fake news. He didn’t play it brilliantly. He played it because Bowman was pissed at him and he was medium at best. That being said he would be our #1 Dman on this roster.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 08/10/17 at 02:35 PM ET

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