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from Ansar Khan of Mlive,

Franzen was placed on short-term injured reserve (seven days minimum) and will miss at least a few more games.

“Any time it’s a head injury -- we’ve been through it a number of times -- they’re hard things,” coach Mike Babcock said. “Obviously, Mule thought he was ready and then found out he wasn’t.

“He’ll be out a few (games) for sure, anyways, and he continues to work with doctors at U-M; they’ll figure out when he’s available.”

General manager Ken Holland said Franzen made the trip to Philadelphia but did not feel well this morning.

“He’s been in constant communication with (the specialist),” Holland said. “He’s got to have a lot of days of being healthy before he plays.”

Tonight will be the first time that Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Franzen have been out for the same game.

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Primis's avatar

I don’t like being a Red Wings fan anymore.

I feel like if I keep following them, all the players are going to die, at this rate.

Posted by Primis on 01/28/14 at 02:26 PM ET

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I know this will be ridiculed, but it’s looking more and more like Franzen should be the final compliance buyout.

Posted by RedMenace from the Church of Jesus Lashoff on 01/28/14 at 02:33 PM ET

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Would love to know the truth about Franzen vs. Hossa.  If Hossa wanted to stay and Holland opted for theslightly younger Fanzen with a lower cap hit, obv. a huge mistake.  But I am not so sure Hossa wanted to stay in Detroit beyond the one year…

Posted by Uncle Rico on 01/28/14 at 02:40 PM ET

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I know this will be ridiculed, but it’s looking more and more like Franzen should be the final compliance buyout.

Posted by RedMenace from Team Slovaskimo Fighting Snipers on 01/28/14 at 01:33 PM ET

Can’t buy him out if he’s injured. Remember Sammy’s boob?

If this lingers, maybe Mule will do Kenny a solid and retire?  smile

Too soon in any case.

Would love to know the truth about Franzen vs. Hossa.

Posted by Uncle Rico on 01/28/14 at 01:40 PM ET

I’m fairly sure we already know the truth.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 01/28/14 at 03:31 PM ET

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Would love to know the truth about Franzen vs. Hossa.  If Hossa wanted to stay and Holland opted for theslightly younger Fanzen with a lower cap hit, obv. a huge mistake.  But I am not so sure Hossa wanted to stay in Detroit beyond the one year…

Posted by Uncle Rico on 01/28/14 at 01:40 PM ET

DING DING DING, we have a winner.

Hossa never intended to stay in DET.  He was never going to get the $$ and term he wanted, and he knew it.  Wings fans wanting to believe otherwise won’t change that.  It was a merc hire, through and through.  CHI could give him the $$$ and term.

The question never HAS been Hossa vs Franzen.  It realistically was Hossa vs Franzen + Someone Else (Fil?  Helm?  Abdelkader?), when it comes right down to cap hit and salary.

And despite what people will moan and whine and bellyacyhe, one Hossa would NOT make up for subtracting Franzen and say Abdelkader or Helm.  Not at all.

Posted by Primis on 01/28/14 at 03:35 PM ET

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Hossa never intended to stay in DET.  He was never going to get the $$ and term he wanted, and he knew it.  Wings fans wanting to believe otherwise won’t change that.

Agreed.  Now swing over to the other thread about Franzen being put on IR and echo that message, because people are starting to get all sorts of crazy thoughts about this.

Hey, you can’t hold a gun to a guy’s head and tell him to stay.  Hossa was pulling a Jagr and chasing money (except Hossa also wanted a Cup).  Chicago offered it to him, and they are going to be on the hook for his salary for a loooooooong time.  Good for them. 

 

Posted by TreKronor on 01/28/14 at 03:40 PM ET

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Can’t buy him out if he’s injured. Remember Sammy’s boob?

If this lingers, maybe Mule will do Kenny a solid and retire?

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 01/28/14 at 02:31 PM ET

Right, but if he says he’s healthy, allowing a buyout would be the most solid he could possibly do the team; retiring would put the Wings on the hook for the cap recapture penalty, correct?

If he took a year off, maybe played in Sweden or something, the Wings could then re-sign him to a more term-appropriate contract.

 

Posted by RedMenace from the Church of Jesus Lashoff on 01/28/14 at 04:05 PM ET

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I’m not sure Red. I figured if any of these long term guys signed before the CBA retired now, especially due to injury, the cap wouldn’t count but I could be wrong.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 01/28/14 at 04:14 PM ET

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I’m not sure Red. I figured if any of these long term guys signed before the CBA retired now, especially due to injury, the cap wouldn’t count but I could be wrong.

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 01/28/14 at 03:14 PM ET

Only 35+ contracts still count against the cap even if the player retired.

Posted by George0211 on 01/28/14 at 04:16 PM ET

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Only 35+ contracts still count against the cap even if the player retired.

The cap recapture amount would count against the cap.  At this point it would be pretty small ($1,037,879 per year for the remainder of his contract), but not insignificant.

Hossa never intended to stay in DET.  He was never going to get the $$ and term he wanted, and he knew it.

Bull.  If they had offered him what Chicago eventually gave him he would’ve re-signed in a heartbeat, but once they locked up Zetterberg and Franzen, the only way they would’ve been able to keep him would be if he took less than Franzen.

Detroit made the decision.

Chicago offered it to him, and they are going to be on the hook for his salary for a loooooooong time.  Good for them.

Poor guys.  On the hook for the salary of a great two-way forward and all they’ve got to show for it so far is two Stanley Cup rings.

I hope they don’t all collectively jump in front of a speeding train…

Posted by Garth on 01/28/14 at 04:37 PM ET

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Detroit made the decision.

How does one even know that.  Do you know Hossa well enough that you can have heart-to-heart discussions about this sort of thing? 

It takes two parties to sign a contract.  Detroit may have tendered him a fair and reasonable offer, we’ll never know.

Posted by TreKronor on 01/28/14 at 04:41 PM ET

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You need advanced degrees in Byzantine Treaties and Mathematics to understand this CBA BS.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 01/28/14 at 04:42 PM ET

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Hey, you can’t hold a gun to a guy’s head and tell him to stay.  Hossa was pulling a Jagr and chasing money (except Hossa also wanted a Cup).  Chicago offered it to him, and they are going to be on the hook for his salary for a loooooooong time.  Good for them. 

But apparently its ok for you to make suppositions will little to no knowledge of the situation?  Who knows what the truth is,but it was a matter of losing Franzen and hudler/helm/abbie to keep Hossa, Holland chose poorly.

Calling Hossa a merc might be a little bit of sour grapes.

Posted by Hootinani on 01/28/14 at 04:51 PM ET

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It takes two parties to sign a contract.  Detroit may have tendered him a fair and reasonable offer, we’ll never know.

I suspect D did make him a fair offer but his mind was made up.  Much as I believe Pittsburgh also probably offered and he spurned them to come to Detroit.

Posted by MoreShoot on 01/28/14 at 04:52 PM ET

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Doesn’t matter now anyhow.  I’m wondering if the front office is even considering a contingency if mule can’t come back.  Does this motivate Holland to get in the trade market?  Does he start wooing this years top ufas? Jurco gonna get penciled in?

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 01/28/14 at 06:30 PM ET

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Franzen’s 34 and signed for just under 4 mil through 2020. Holland has to be thinking about what to do with this guy. If he retires after he turns 35 they’re stuck with his cap hit and he isn’t the healthiest of players. Now people say you can’t try to move or buy this guy out because his numbers are solid for the cap hit BUT his cap hit is gonna run for 6 more years, he’s not very healthy and when he is he’s often complacent.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 01/28/14 at 08:03 PM ET

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How does one even know that.

Common sense.

Posted by Garth on 01/29/14 at 09:55 AM ET

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If he retires after he turns 35 they’re stuck with his cap hit

Incorrect.

and he isn’t the healthiest of players.

This is the first significant time he’s missed since 2009-10, and that was the first significant time he’d missed in his career.  Other than 2009-10 and this year, he averages over 70 games a season, he’s not exactly fragile.

Posted by Garth on 01/29/14 at 10:01 AM ET

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