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A Resolution Coming Soon Regarding Andreas Athanasiou

from Ken Campbell of The Hockey News,

What we are also learning is that while the Red Wings are not actively shopping Athanasiou, teams are calling about him, with the Montreal Canadiens, Ottawa Senators and Los Angeles Kings displaying the most interest in him. The Canadiens, who are currently being outscored by Alex Ovechkin and are tied with Mika Zibanejad, James Neal and Brandon Saad, desperately need a player who can provide them with offense. (Could a deal involving Alex Galchenyuk make sense at this point? Yes. Yes, it could.) Athanasiou fits the Kings’ new philosophy tilting toward more speed and offense and the Senators could use a player of Athanasiou’s skill and speed to supplement their left wing corps.

Athanasiou’s agent Darren Ferris would not comment on the speculation, but said the situation will be resolved one way or another within a week, meaning if Athanasiou is neither signed nor traded, he will likely sign either in Russia or Switzerland. Any contract with a European team would include an out-clause to return to the NHL, provided he signs a deal prior to Dec. 1. If he is not signed to an NHL deal by that date, he will be ineligible to play in the league this season.

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I like AA’s game… hoping for the best for both him and the Red Wings.

Posted by Will from Toledo on 10/11/17 at 04:22 PM ET

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to trade AA for Galchenyuk would be a mistake. Galchenyuk is not a discipline player. Therrien and now Julien could not solve his case.

He is now down to the 4th line ...still looking for his first point of the season.

Posted by PierreC from Montreal, Canada on 10/11/17 at 04:23 PM ET

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Galchenyuk does not fit for the Wings. They need someone younger than drafted 5 years ago and in the doghouse on a similar team. This does NOT make sense. Unless he is only one piece of the return. Right now, I would say AA is worth more.

Posted by teldar on 10/11/17 at 04:29 PM ET

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IT’S A SHAME TO LOOSE A SUCH GOOD PLAYER WITH GREAT POTENTIAL.
KH & JB ARE TO F….G STUPID MORONS, WHO SHOULD BE FIRED ASAP.

Posted by 1718 on 10/11/17 at 04:31 PM ET

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The article failed to mention that he would have to clear waivers if he signs and plays anywhere else first. So its the Wings or somewhere else but not half and half.

Posted by Royal Grand Exalted PooBah from the basement of the Alamo on 10/11/17 at 04:45 PM ET

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All parties are to blame for this.

KH for not even having the slightest clue on how to manage a salary cap. He could have offered him a 3-4 year deal around $2.5-3 mil per year and got a good young player on a cheap contract. If he pans out, it’s a win. If he doesn’t, it’s not a huge blow as it wouldn’t cripple the cap.

AA is at fault for not having ANY arbitration rights and trying to get a payday early. What he’s asking for isn’t overly unreasonable, but he has no leverage. Continuing this holdout and stalling his development is ridiculous.

Posted by Charles1986 on 10/11/17 at 04:50 PM ET

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I hope he gets traded to Columbus so he can play for Torts.

Posted by NEWing on 10/11/17 at 04:58 PM ET

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^^^ I mean to add in that if KH already hadn’t given out numerous ridiculous contracts, he could have offered that type of deal.

Posted by Charles1986 on 10/11/17 at 04:59 PM ET

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I speculated this morning that AA for Galchenyuk may gain traction…looks like others are thinking the same.

Posted by fatsavage on 10/11/17 at 05:08 PM ET

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I like AA’s game… hoping for the best for both him and the Red Wings.

Posted by Will from Toledo on 10/11/17 at 05:22 PM ET

That is all Wings Fans can really do. Sad but true

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 10/11/17 at 05:29 PM ET

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“One thing that has emerged from all of this is it’s not just about money at this point. The fact that Athanasiou might be willing to play for less than he’d make in the NHL to play in Europe indicates this is as much about pride and a player being paid what he thinks he’s worth. “
Yup.
Once again the onus is Holland, but like KC said"The only question now is whether or not the relationship has been poisoned to the point where there is no turning back, either for him or the Red Wings.”

Posted by damndog from The Eastside of Detroit on 10/11/17 at 05:42 PM ET

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AA is losing money with every game the Red Wings play. He is not using any common sense.  red face

Posted by bigfrog on 10/11/17 at 06:15 PM ET

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Just a sad situation all around. We finally drafted such an electric prospect who scores 18 goals in his first full season in limited ice time and we cannot sign him. I think $1.9 is fair, but honestly if AA is asking for $2.5 (this article also mentions $2.9), it’s not reallly that crazy for the second best scorer on a team. KH just has to find a way not to lose this type of talent.

Posted by VPalmer on 10/11/17 at 06:20 PM ET

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I’m not sure about a trade for Galchenyuk. Galchenyuk has fallen to the Habs 4th line. you’ve got to wonder what is going on there since the guy was a 30 goal scorer two seasons ago. Still, it’s the Habs…..who really knows what is going on there…...
https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/latest-news/2017/10/11/16458692/canadiens-lines-at-practice-october-11-claude-julien-changes-montreal-habs-drouin-galchenyuk

It’d be a dream, but if Vilardi were in the conversation from LA…..oh boy, that would change a lot of tunes around here.

anyone have thoughts on Kale Clague as a return? He’s a 2nd round pick by LA and has played in the U18 champs as well as being a WHL all-star. He’s on tear to start this season 12pts in 5games. He could just turn out to be Sproul 2.0 though.

 

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 10/11/17 at 07:10 PM ET

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First round draft pick.

Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 10/11/17 at 07:17 PM ET

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There is only one person that can end this contract dispute.

Posted by ilovehomers on 10/11/17 at 07:18 PM ET

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We can’t sign him because, let’s see , he signed Tatar for 5.3 mil and I agree, picked up Daly for 4 mil his first year and was trying to pick Vanek back up, all but especially the last two players before securing AA.Salary cap is totally KH’s doing.

Posted by stateofmifan on 10/11/17 at 07:21 PM ET

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So tired of this BS.

I’m not a fan of the KH system but at the end of the day AA(and or his agent) are being idiotic.

Sign the *#$%@& contract and work towards the future.

Posted by VFUSION on 10/11/17 at 07:33 PM ET

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The sad thing about this is that it seems like AA has decided he doesn’t really want to play for Blashill…... so he is pushing the envelope and possibly willing to make less rather than be one of the coach’s doghouse occupants.

AA does have a bit of an ego but I like individuality, to a point. It may be that this individuality is more likely to come out in a negative fashion when the coach is clueless about awarding ice time based on merit. Sure, AA did have his deficiencies but as numerous posters have stated, he got to sit out for poor defensive play while others made similar mistakes and suffered no consequences.

AA contributed a lot more in terms of offence than did some of these other players but still got shafted by the coach. So, imo, this is now about playing, or not playing, for a team that he feels is not giving him a fair shake.

Posted by NewfieWing on 10/11/17 at 07:37 PM ET

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Datsyuk leaves early, Z talking about leaving two years early, AA seems unhappy, no chance the organization is at fault.

Posted by stateofmifan on 10/11/17 at 07:52 PM ET

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Losing money might be the current reality for AA, but other things can motivate
and be more important to a person and player - especially when he’s not risking destitution
or asking a wife and kids to do without.

Sounds like AA is confident and hard-headed in both good and bad ways.

A GM, coach and organization have to know what makes different guys tick and make
the best of it. Again, a winning team cannot be all Glendenings.
AA may not be captain material like Z or Pav, but he’s a rare talent and one
especially important in the current NHL.

Holland won’t move Sheahan, but he might be forced into trading AA?

Just because a player doesn’t have arbitration rights yet or much leverage doesn’t mean
it’s smart to spend your way over the cap, preemptively overpaying pretty much everyone
in sight…and then expect this particular player to take a way low-ball offer, then given in and
lose face and accept whatever the GM happens to have left from LTIR and waiving Sproul.

Even if they wanted him off the team this is a typically passive and haplessly constrained way off doing it.

It seems obvious that most other GMs would find the money to prioritize a player with AA’s speed and skill,
and give him a little more to pay for arbitration rights. Starting at 1.25M for one year was bizarre. A final offer of 1.9M for two years is not how you get a deal done.

When last year’s holdout - Jacob Trouba - was in the news and the talk was how much money
he was losing and how little leverage he had, one thing you kept hearing from his camp was
that he just really wanted the opportunity to play and prove himself. Well, he didn’t win the standoff,
monetarily, but he did get the the big minutes and top-line role he sought and began to thrive in it.
A lot of people thought Trouba was being selfish or impatient or greedy. But he’s proved his value
and was given the chance to. It’s hard to compare a top-two D with a wing like AA, but getting
scratched, called out in the press, not given power play time, played with the least-skilled linemates at times, and told to take or leave the remaining bit the GM didn’t overspend is asking a player a lot, leverage or not.

If AA had only to take the best offer and come back motivated in order to earn a bigger role, that’s one thing. It’s just speculation, but it doesn’t seem like he and the organization saw eye to eye. Like if Trouba had been kept with Mark Stuart on the third pairing all last season and told to like it.

Posted by Lefty30 on 10/11/17 at 08:06 PM ET

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——There is only one person that can end this contract dispute.
——I would say 2 people

Posted by VPalmer on 10/11/17 at 08:27 PM ET

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Posted by Lefty30 on 10/11/17 at 09:06 PM ET

Insightful, thoughtful, well put together.  And, spot on.

Great comment, Lefty30.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 10/11/17 at 10:03 PM ET

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there is no contract dispute…AA doesn’t want to play for Blashill..end of topic..

Posted by PierreC from Montreal, Canada on 10/12/17 at 12:08 AM ET

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Yes, sadly this seems like a mismanaged relationship.

Having a reputation for being “a first class organization” for players
is something you can just live off of.

It wasn’t that long ago that Helm was expressing
dissatisfaction with his role and communication with
the coach. Even taking into account UFA status and
how awesome familiar veterans are, Helm was hardly
punished for those rather blunt complaints.

Some tough love is one thing.

But as Paul and someone else pointed out, not every coach has
the authority and commands the respect of Scotty Bowman, or even
Mike Babcock for that matter.

Another factor might be generational. I know John Tortarella has talked about
changing his approach a little and letting especially fast and skilled players utilize those
skills because of how players and the game have changed. It doesn’t mean he isn’t
still a hardass. It just means he’s open minded enough not to stifle skill as much as
he might have.

We didn’t used to be one of the teams that was capable of needlessly alienating
good players - and we had the leadership and success at all levels that made
guys buy in. I’m sure it’s a fine line. You don’t want to let your standards slack,
but there were smarter ways than how the front office and coaches have handled this
situation.

I really am not looking forward to AA appearing on highlight reels in another
sweater for the next ten years. Seems like egos over success.

Posted by Lefty30 on 10/12/17 at 12:47 AM ET

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I think those saying AA supposedly doesn’t want to play for Blashill or the Red Wings because “they’re managed so poorly” or this or that should find some kind of solid backing to those claims before they spew it out like it’s the truth. None of us know and until it’s made public it’s only speculation.

Posted by benzanato on 10/12/17 at 01:51 AM ET

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“He doesnt want to play for blashill”

May be true, but is he really going to hold out and wait for blash to get canned?  Wings wont do it during the season, so AA may as well have hunkered down and signed wherever else he was gonna play. He let his KHL offer expire after asking for too much and cant sign with Lugano (or at least they said they wont offer).

A coach that makes you tty hard and play defense. I guess you wont find that anywhere else in the NHL.


Oh wait…

Posted by ilovehomers on 10/12/17 at 06:26 AM ET

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So tired of this BS.

I’m not a fan of the KH system but at the end of the day AA(and or his agent) are being idiotic.

Sign the *#$%@& contract and work towards the future.

Posted by VFUSION on 10/11/17 at 08:33 PM ET

Are they?

Seems like it’s becoming more and more likely that this could result in a trade in which AA wouldn’t have to be a part of this ongoing “rebuild on the fly” (that will last at least 3 more years) and not have to play for the completely inept Blashill.

Dog him all you want, but money isn’t the issue here. It’s his usage and treatment and if this gets him out of a terrible situation then i would say they played it pretty well. Obviously this week is going to determine whether he toils in the K or gets an NHL contract, so we’ll see who comes out on top.

Posted by MZ2215 on 10/12/17 at 06:56 AM ET

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Maybe we can trade AA for Jagr?

Posted by damndog from The Eastside of Detroit on 10/12/17 at 07:12 AM ET

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Has the thought crossed anybody’s mind that maybe AA does not want to come back to the Redwings.  He is not liked very much in the clubhouse because of his attitude ?

Posted by oldfart on 10/12/17 at 07:24 AM ET

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He is not liked very much in the clubhouse because of his attitude ?

Posted by oldfart on 10/12/17 at 08:24 AM ET

And you know this how? There may be an issue among the players, I haven’t heard anything. I know Frans Nielsen was singing his praise at the end of last season.

Posted by damndog from The Eastside of Detroit on 10/12/17 at 07:30 AM ET

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From clubhouse insiders

Posted by oldfart on 10/12/17 at 07:40 AM ET

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Benzato
I don’t think you have to go far to see people discussing how poorly managed the wings are. Both roster management and on the ice. The roster is a disaster and I read all over the place how the coaching staff doesn’t seem to be able to adapt to what they have or who is doing well.I don’t think it’s a stretch to say their current management is poor.

Posted by teldar on 10/12/17 at 07:40 AM ET

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IMO an AA trade will be a huge achievement or KH’s demise. If KH fails it’ll more than likely end his days here and Blashill with him. I’m afraid we’ll end up with Draper and more of the same. Sad day for Red Wing fans unless Ilitch hires someone outside the current organization.

Posted by stateofmifan on 10/12/17 at 07:42 AM ET

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——I really am not looking forward to AA appearing on highlight reels in another
sweater for the next 10 years
——So true. And then anybody has any confidence KH will not be fleeced in AA trade?
The bottom line here imo that people are different and as Lefty and many of us said on multiple occasions, the team cannot consist of 12 Glendenings, low skilled guys, but great characters. There are players who are more difficult to manage, usually highly skilled young guys. Those players need special approach and as long as that player is not totally toxic to the team environment (and all indications are AA is not), it’s up to the coach and a veteran GM to find a way to deal with that player. Especially when that player performs welll on the ice.
It will not be the end of the world if AA plays for Lugano this season. But I cannot even entertain the thought he will be playing for another NHL team as I just do not see KH getting back anything close to equal value there. Definitely nothing close to sheer entertainment value. Because let’s face it, most of us were looking forward to AA every shift last season.

Posted by VPalmer on 10/12/17 at 07:47 AM ET

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——-If KH fails it’ll more than likely end his days
——KH failed so many times in the past 5 years and especially in the last 2 that I strongly believe there is absolutely nothing he can do that will lead to his firing. If he decides he wants to be GM for another 4 years, he will be.

Posted by VPalmer on 10/12/17 at 07:50 AM ET

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Has the thought crossed anybody’s mind that maybe AA does not want to come back to the Redwings.  He is not liked very much in the clubhouse because of his attitude ?

Posted by oldfart on 10/12/17 at 08:24 AM ET

Yes, he’s made it clear he’s willing to play in another league vs. coming back to this team in his previous role.

Is that a statement or a question regarding his standing in the clubhouse? There have been talks that he may not be on great terms with Blashill and obviously he isn’t seeing eye to eye with KH, but I haven’t seen or heard anything that indicated he was disliked by teammates.

Posted by MZ2215 on 10/12/17 at 07:50 AM ET

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From clubhouse insiders

Posted by oldfart on 10/12/17 at 08:40 AM ET

Perfect! That’s something that cannot be doubted.

Posted by damndog from The Eastside of Detroit on 10/12/17 at 07:55 AM ET

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——- I haven’t seen or heard anything that indicated he was disliked by teammates.
——-Are there any examples in NHL when it became public that a certain player is disliked by his teammates? I doubt active players will ever say something publicly about their feelings towards another player.

Posted by VPalmer on 10/12/17 at 08:01 AM ET

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Supposedly, AA had a carved out role on the third line, increased minutes, and PP time.

Supposedly.

Posted by ilovehomers on 10/12/17 at 08:09 AM ET

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